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FxMasterz:
Ha!

I leave that to you and God. You never read that I said you could create a thread so I can discuss with you using unconventional scriptures? May God judge between me and you!

You said I was afraid to create a thread. That is a lie based on our previous discussion. You only said so that people will think I'm afraid of you when they never saw what we discussed before

Is it not?

FxMasterz:
I have asked you questions you refused to answer. The questions were not for Janosky alone. Is janosky the only one claiming God is not a Trinity on this thread? That question is for everyone of you, Boomark. A question for one is a question for all!

I challenged you to take a screenshot of ChatGPT's original Greek rendering of John 1:18, where is it?

You don't know the Scriptures but you know how to abuse people. If course, those who don't know scriptures always know how to abuse. They have unstable emotions and cannot discuss anything respectfully.

Now, answer the questions and face the challenge. I'll even create a thread soon as you are both afraid to create a thread and invite me as I asked you to a few days ago.

What did I say to you when you told me about creating a thread? A pastor that enjoys twisting people's words.

Lyinq.... Is it the actual word if not for the bot.

Julia25:
No link in the Opening post?

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136283738

Towards the end of the op you see them.

FxMasterz:
I have asked you questions you refused to answer. The questions were not for Janosky alone. Is janosky the only one claiming God is not a Trinity on this thread? That question is for everyone of you, Boomark. A question for one is a question for all!

I challenged you to take a screenshot of ChatGPT's original Greek rendering of John 1:18, where is it?

You don't know the Scriptures but you know how to abuse people. If course, those who don't know scriptures always know how to abuse. They have unstable emotions and cannot discuss anything respectfully.

Now, answer the questions and face the challenge. I'll even create a thread soon as you are both afraid to create a thread and invite me as I asked you to a few days ago.

Let everyone answer your question. I am not everyone. Whenever you are ready ask me the question. I was supposed to delete those things you people post on the main challenge thread but I left it because I was on focusing on mentions and didn't see it on time.

So this is the screenshot you asked for. What do you want to ask or have I destroyed it in my previous post?

Julia25:
This is interesting, so who now won?

Check the link to results in the op. But most importantly read the through each subtopic, their claim and rebuttal.

FxMasterz:
So, you expect me to be talking about remaining in Jesus' teaching instead of addressing what you called Jesus' teaching which was indeed contrary to Jesus' teaching?

Jesus said 'No one has seen the Father' . Did He say, 'No one can see the Father'? Jesus' mission was to reveal the Father whom no one has seen. You didn't understand all the explanations I gave you previously? Was it too long for you to read? I took my time and explained. Are you making Jesus a failure and a liar? Here are Jesus' Words:

"All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22).

Did the Son reveal the Father? Absolutely YES!

He told Philip "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father'. Simple!

Or, you don't have eternal life?

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3.

Knowing Jesus is knowing the Father. You cannot separate them. They're one.

So, you left all my long exegesis I gave on my previous mention to keep pushing your Antichrist and satanic narratives? Your 'No one has seen the Father' falsehood? Continue pushing these lies. You're liar if you propagate one part of Christ's Word to establish a doctrine instead of His Whole Words. Whole Words of Jesus is what we call Sound Doctrine.

Constantly leaving the part of the scriptures that say boldly:

...BUT THE SON WHO HIMSELF IS ALSO GOD, HE HAS REVEALED HIM.

HE HAS REVEALED HIM

HE HAS REVEALED HIM.

Bookmark, HE HAS REVEALED HIM

After Jesus has revealed Him, only the Blind would still say "No one has seen the Father "

John 1:18

Before Jesus came, no one has seen the Father. But Jesus has revealed Him boomark! Jesus came to reveal Him. That's why He said "That they may know you, the only true God ..."

How can you know someone who was not revealed? And how can someone be revealed without him being known?

"Have you not known me Boomark? Anyone who has seen me has [/b]SEEN[/b] the Father. John 14:9

So, stop lying that no one has seen the Father because ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN ME FATHER.

Or

You do not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?

Jesus said no one has seen the Father. He didn't say 'No one can see the Father Did He say, no one can see the Father? Tell me!

No one had seen the Father, so Jesus came to reveal Him - John 1:18. And now, those who have seen Jesus have seen the Father because Jesus is not separate from the Father.

Jesus revealed the Father by saying 'Whoever has seen me has seen the Father' - John 14:9.

Do you even read to understand or you simply read to abuse? Are you sure you're a Christian?

I told you to hit your point straight. I am not the one to be deceived by long empty talk. Too many lies hidden in long words. More words more mistakes. I see them all clearly.

Let me now show how you are similar to satan in quoting scripture.

1. You started by twist what Jesus said that "no one has seen God" to mean he didn't say "no one can see God." We all know that Jesus and Angels CAN see God. So focus on what Jesus said to the people listening to him and stop making him a liar.

2. You twisted "to reveal" and "to make known" to mean "Seeing God." So if I make people to know God it means they have seen God and I am God? If I reveal Jesus to those who are perishing for them to receive Christ, then it means that I am Jesus and they have seen Jesus? Making someone known is not equal to seeing the person. This is Satan's pattern.

3. Your stand contradicts what Jesus said and also what John who was with him when he said "he who has seen me has seen the Father". JOHN CLEARLY SAID "NO MAN HAS "EVER" SEEN GOD." He was a direct witness when Jesus said what he said in John 14:8-9.

So John and the scripture has proven that all your long exegesis and essays are falsehood and that you don't know what you are talking about. I have not even shown the ones written by Paul.


1 John 4:12 RSV
[12] No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

So you still have work to do. Your problem has been compounded.

You must prove to us that both Jesus and John who was a witness when Jesus made that statement don't know what they are talking about.

Bring all the scriptures in your stack and do it, not with twisted words. Make sure you go straight to the point because I will fish out twisted words hidden in long comments.

Whenever you are tired, you can then ask me to tell you what Jesus meant in John 14:8-9 that does not contradict the scripture.

Image123:
Round 8 result from here.
Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0pmZ5Uof4A

Again, it says that i won but who cares about AI except you. My consistent point bringing it up is not to show you that i won. i don't need AI for that. The is clear, AI is not a reliable judge or foundation to rely on. You elevated it above humans and perhaps as your god when it clearly states that it can make mistakes. AI can be subject to what you feed it. AI is GIGO. AI's default program doesn't favour Trinity. This and more i tried telling you but who were/are deaf to reason. You kept accusing me of lying, that you don't trust my screenshot or me, that i should make video, to my videos were not clear enough for you, to accusing me of manipulating AI.
You kept changing prompt to use, complained of things like using Mr A and B to replace our usernames, to putting subtopic, to putting claim, to putting brackets. The same you who claim AI is so great and will give the right judgment. The same you who wanted discussion between two people. Started disturbing other people's mentions to come to your aid. Now, the thread is free for all. All your rules and prompts.
Now is to attack and question my AI, when you could no longer give excuses about prompts. i don't have need or interest to question your AI as i already said so from beginning. The joke is on you who took AI as unquestionable and unfailing. If i was so jobless, i can also start marking your AI remarks and rebutting . My guy rebut me, he still rebut AI join.
If you are a serious person and truly after knowledge, you will employ some objectivity and critical thinking in AI's remarks to help you. You'll observe carefully what it consistently says about the rules. What is important. Are the Bible rules followed, is Image123 using the Bible. Not unseriousness like scoring brownie points for self made subtopics and such frivolous things your AI often uses as your edge. Think

I don't care too.

Go and tell us who is the God of God the Father. Stop acting as you didn't see this.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/5#136434076

People who mock and insult God the Father because of antichrist their master want me to discuss with them, so they can teach me that God the Father has a God. Oya start teaching.

Boomark:
FxMasterz
I am now ready to make you fumble and commit more blunders.

Let's discuss this.

The teachings of Jesus Christ is that no one has seen the Father. Oya tell him it's a lie.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.


You either tell us that Jesus lied or you suppose what I said. Whatever you post must not be contradictory. The Holt spirit that inspired the bible is not the author of confusion. The spirit of antichrist is what makes the bible contradictory. It is their job to teach lies as true.

So be careful and give straight to the point answer. USE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE TO ANSWER. Not what Paul or Peter said

Besides I know you will not follow this instruction because you don't have any truth to say. See you again when you fall to adhere to the instructions.

This is what you should be talking about.

In the screenshot, I was talking about remaining in Jesus teachings and you came from no where and brought he who has seen me has seen the Father. As opposition or what?

So answer the question. I will also touch the part where the spirit of the antichrist led you mocked God. I am waiting... Remember to focus on the teaching of Christ. If you like act as if you don't understand english. I will not overlook such ignorance.

FxMasterz:
Janosky left it for you, you too left it for Janosky. Are you guys not jokers?

Answer the questions I asked, my brother. Once you answer the questions sincerely, your eyes would open and you would see that you have been frolicking with the spirit of error.

I have not yet shown you the scriptures I have in my stack, yet you're seeking help from one another for simple questions.

Don't you see that you have a very big problem. You are calling me a joker as if I am the one you asked that question. The spirit of lie and deceit is at work in you.

Use all the scriptures in your stack and answer the question I asked you on the teaching of Jesus Christ.

I will not overlook any single mistakes which includes not understanding english. Later you letters that keel and spirit that gives life.

FxMasterz
I am now ready to make you fumble and commit more blunders.

Let's discuss this.

The teachings of Jesus Christ is that no one has seen the Father. Oya tell him it's a lie.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.


You either tell us that Jesus lied or you suppose what I said. Whatever you post must not be contradictory. The Holt spirit that inspired the bible is not the author of confusion. The spirit of antichrist is what makes the bible contradictory. It is their job to teach lies as true.

So be careful and give straight to the point answer. USE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE TO ANSWER. Not what Paul or Peter said

Besides I know you will not follow this instruction because you don't have any truth to say. See you again when you fall to adhere to the instructions.

quote author=FxMasterz post=136445322]

You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great? Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?[/quote]Janosky please come and tell our brother who Godliness is.

Me too I want to learn.

When I told them the spirit of blunder is of antichrist they don't want to hear. I will help him to commit more soon. That's the lot of those who have rejected Christ.

Round 9

Subtopic: Jesus Christ is Subject to the Father Even as a Divine Being

The Bible teaches that even after being exalted and glorified, Jesus remains under the authority of the Father. His divinity is derived, not independent.

1 Corinthians 15:27–28 says that when all things are put under Christ, He Himself will be subject to God, who put all things under Him.

The bible made us to understand that the head of Christ is God”. Jesus came to do the will of Him who sent Him, not His own.
Jesus himself declared that the one who is sent is not greater than the sender and the Father is greater than I.

Revelation 3:12 shows the glorified Jesus talking about "his God" four times. The revelation was given to Him by God as seen in Revelation 1:1.
Psalm 110:1 (quoted in Acts 2:34–36) shows the Father saying, “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool” — proving His reign is granted by the Father and it is the will of God the Father to make his enemies his footstool.

Thus, even as a divine being, Jesus is under the Father, which aligns with the main topic that the Father is one God over all.


Key verses:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 HCSB
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 11:3 HCSB
[3] But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ.

John 6:38 HCSB
[38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

John 13:16 HCSB
[16] “I assure you: A slave is not greater than his master, and a messenger is not greater than the one who sent him.
[16] Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28 LSB
[28] You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Revelation 3:12 LSB
[12] He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out from it anymore. And I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

Revelation 1:1 LSB
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His slaves the things which must soon happen; and He indicated this by sending it through His angel to His slave John,

Psalm 110:1 LSB
[1] Yahweh says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I put Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet.”


Acts 2:34-36 LSB
[34] For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, [35] Until I put Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet.” ’ [36] Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Do you agree Image123?

quote author=FxMasterz post=136445322]

You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great? Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?[/quote]See your reply in the screenshot

Round 8 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Image123: 0
Boomark: 0

Final score

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeBTJgShDLU?si=iVnljQLYmaK5OUmU

FxMasterz:
No, the doctrine of God not being a trinity is falsehood that is target against God by satan and the antichrist.




But they'll be right to think of you so because you're actually the one rejecting the Words of the Lord Jesus.


It's the other way round my brother, I'll make you see your errors rather.


Absolutely correct. The doctrine of God not being a Trinity fits very well into this narrative.


And Christ's teaching is that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father.


A name could have been formed but not a doctrine. The doctrine itself is fully grounded and established in Scripture.


Apparently applies to you.


We didn't. The manifestation in the flesh cannot be as the real Glory in the Spirit. So, the sayings of Christ is true that the Father is greater than Jim but the Father is the One who manifested as the Son in a much lesser form than His real self to serve a purpose. An a for that acts an ape in a movie is greater than the ape he is acting, isn't it? Jesus was was the Father acting on earth.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory," 1 Timothy 3:16.


Absolutely, the same way the Actor is the man of the ape he is acting as well as the man of everyone around the ape.



Jesus is God's Word and God's Word is God's Will.

4. Pray to the Father, (. John 16:23-27, Matthew 6:6-9)
5. Worship God the Father in spirit and truth, (John 4:21-26). The Messiah explained it, Vs 26.
6. Make them one just as we are one. (Join 17:21-22)
7. The Father is the only true God, (John 17:3).
8. I come from God. (John 16:27,30).[/b]
All the above are kindergarten verses that are used by people who read only the letters of the Word without the revelation of the Spirit.

If you have turned away from these things to believe a certain revelation from any spirit, the scripture said it clearly that you don't have God. And you don't also have the Son of God. You have abandoned what the Holy spirit inspired and is written in black and white to follow personal revelation.
But you are the one who turned away and abandoned the true word of God by limiting your knowledge to letters. Hey, my brother, "The letter kills. The Spirit gives life."


See those who have abandoned the will of God revealed through Christ and have been missled and deceived by prophecies, casting of demons, signs and wonders.
If you're not misled then you should be able to do all.these things. If you're not doing them, you're not a believer. Those are Jesus' own Words.


Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
Yes, because there are those who started with Him that might not finish with Him. The fact that they worked miracles showed whom they started with. The fact that Jesus rejected them shows whom they ended with. Bit if you never started with Him, you can never have the experience except you got ithe counterfeit from Satan.

See the condition to enter the kingdom of God in bold. You can't reject God's word that came through Jesus Christ and still want to enter his kingdom. Did you see how those people think they were pleasing Christ but Christ turned them towards God the Father's will?
But you reject God's Words like the Pharisees who read only letters, and who thereby lacked the knowledge of Scriptures and had no access to the power of God. Mathew 22:29.

Those who disregard the words of Jesus Christ don't have God. They don't also have Christ.

This is why you need to sit down and be taught the ways of God more perfectly, otherwise, you'll think you mow God when you don't know Him at all.

You called the Words of Jesus Christ kindergarten scriptures? You are even worse than those you are supporting. You mocked the words of Jesus and called it kindergarten sayings. The spirit of the antichrist is no longer difficult to identify.

The spirit of the antichrist used Apes to teach you things of the spirit

Screenshot:
This one is even funny. It was very easy for you to be talking out of point. No wonder you didn't understand the simple thing I asked you to identify.

Now I was talking about those who abandon the teachings of Jesus Christ and you responded with, Jesus teaching is that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father. Which kind of out of point comment id this? Is this how we are going to do the discussion? With off point comments?

The teachings of Jesus Christ is that no one has seen the Father. Oya tell him it's a lie.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

Its like your job as minister of the antichrist is to make Jesus a liar? He said no one has seen the Father. But I will not tell you what he meant by what you said. The answer is that chapter but you are blinded to see it thats you believe contradictions. I have already seen a great poor and lack of understanding in the things you wrote.



Ndi Jesus disciples fellowship

FxMasterz:
I believe they're thinking the same of you, my brother.

You don't need to address them they way you did.

The doctrine of the Trinity is a Bible truth. The evidence of Scripture is indisputable. I serve the Lord Christ, abd His power is manifest in and through me in all His fullness. And this Christ of the New Testament is the Jehovah of the Old.

The truths of Scripture are the gems of the Kingdom. You can't get them by mere surface study. These are the deep things of God. God by His nature is a triune Being but your inner eyes needs be opened before you can see that in Scripture. If you deal by Revelation, you will see. If you deal by mere sense knowledge, you will never see. It is the Spirit of God that reveals the deep things of God.

The doctrine of trinity is falsehood that is target against God by satan and the antichrist.

Let them continue thinking of me the same way while they continue rejecting Jesus' words. At least I have proven they are doing the will of the antichrist by rejecting the words of Jesus Christ.

Meanwhile the bolded up there is wrong. I will soon make you people see your errors. We can discuss it somewhere else or you can make a claim here and I will counter it.

Any spirit that reveal things that make people to reject the words of Jesus Christ is from satan. Those who don't continue with what Jesus Christ said does not have God. He came and told us what God said through him, the will of God.

2 John 1:9 HCSB
[9]Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.

You go beyond to form a name(Trinity) and doctrine for yourselves. Something Christ never taught and is not found anywhere in the scripture. You think God forgot to say it through Christ.

If you have left these Christ sayings and teachings or twisted any of them, you don't have God:
1. The Father is greater than I, (John 14:28). Instead you people make him equal to God.
2. The Father is My God and your God, (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12)
3. I have come to do the will of my God, (Psalm 40:7-8, Hebrew 10:5-7)
4. Pray to the Father, (. John 16:23-27, Matthew 6:6-9)
5. Worship God the Father in spirit and truth, (John 4:21-26). The Messiah explained it, Vs 26.
6. Make them one just as we are one. (Join 17:21-22)
7. The Father is the only true God, (John 17:3).
8. I come from God. (John 16:27,30).

If you have turned away from these things to believe a certain revelation from any spirit, the scripture said it clearly that you don't have God. And you don't also have the Son of God. You have abandoned what the Holy spirit inspired and is written in black and white to follow personal revelation.


See those who have abandoned the will of God revealed through Christ and have been missled and deceived by prophecies, casting of demons, signs and wonders.


Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

See the condition to enter the kingdom of God in bold. You can't reject God's word that came through Jesus Christ and still want to enter his kingdom. Did you see how those people think they were pleasing Christ but Christ turned them towards God the Father's will?

Those who disregard the words of Jesus Christ don't have God. They don't also have Christ.

FxMasterz:
In all honesty, Boomark posited that ChatGPT does favour Trinity, while Image123 claimed It doesn't.

Image123, please kindly admit as a true child of God that you wrongly accused Boomark. I know it might be an oversight. It wouldn't have been deliberate but be mature enough to admit it and apologize.

I must commend image123 for the good efforts he has put into the discussion and all his contributions so far. However, I would want him to honorably admit his wrong and thereby continue gaining the trust and respect of readers.

Personally, I can attest to it that ChatGPT favours the Trinity doctrine. It is trained in whatever is popular. The Trinity doctrine is more popular than the no-Trinity doctrine.

I'll counsel my brother, Image123 to apologize to Boomark in the spirit of love and Christian brotherhood.

However, I would advise my brother, Boomark to stop making absolute assertions on the matter. Calling the Trinity doctrine a false doctrine when you are yet to prove it so, is uncultured.

I still have a lot to show you from the Scriptures once you're done with Image123. Do not make definitive remarks because the Scriptures say of us: And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Corinthians 8:2.

I know what I am saying my brother.

See how this trinitarian Gabrielshow24 mocked Jesus Christ while trying to defend Trinity. He didn't know there was no escape for him for being either against me or against Christ.

He tried to push the false dichotomy to me until I showed him that he is still against Christ. He is telling us that asking people, "do you believe in what Jesus and his words?" After claiming he is intelligent, he failed woefully.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_OdAWggZAU?si=zkzyF2lZhGOqq2Jq

There are many others like him who ignored and refused to believe Christ. They opposed me as people who have another master. I know the one they are serving and I have already told them.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood/4#136398543

Image123:
Lolz, here again is the same AI saying i won for the umpteenth time. Blame it or me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLjyYkRh2KU

Both you and your AI are talking out of point.

Screenshots

1. Subtopic: Jesus Christ is a prophet of God.

2. You support the subtopic. It was unopposed. But went and started talking out of point. You left rebuttal and started talking about other things Jesus was called.

3. (i), My subtopic aligned with the main topic.
And I successfully proved that Jesus Christ is a prophet of God.

(ii) While you successfully proved his divinity. And your AI gave you a win because I didn't leave the subtopic we are discussing to discuss divinity. So you won because of divinity and not because you countered the subtopic?

You have infected your AI with out of point syndrome. Have you seen any mistake in my own results?

4. This was how I started my own on a fresh page with that instruction and the rules alone. After each round I copy the claim and rebuttal with the instructions and paste. I have shown you how to do it but things are difficult for you to understand. Even the awarding points I told you to remove because I don't use it. You think it is everything you see you copy and paste.

Finally, what you called rebuttal was not a rebuttal but a support for my claim followed by an off point essay .

You can't win without opposing me. Know this and know the truth.

Boomark:
Image123

Focus on this lie you told her and tell us who is the God of God the Father. Leave Emusan to speak for himself.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136310247

You can use double negative to deny that you didn't write such a thing so as to deceive people. Maybe I manipulated it with AI. So tell us.

Please remember this. It is important.

Or you simply tell us you didn't know when you talked out of point. It is an insult to God the Father.

Image123:
Round 8

Subtopic: Jesus has divine titles that no other man has, making Him God.

CLAIM:

Jesus Christ, the Son of God is referred to by various titles that prove Him to be divinity. The Son Jesus is God. Reading through scriptures, you see Him called, The Word was God, Emmanuel which means "God with us", Lord of Lords, the Alpha and Omega, which denotes eternal, divine nature.

Rebuttal

The claim that Jesus' titles prove he is Almighty God fails because many so-called divine titles are also used for others in scripture.

All the titles that Jesus has was given to him by God the Father. Jesus became a Mighty God because it is the zeal of God the Father (Yahweh) to make him so, not because he is God himself (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Even if he was called "God," there are others who are divine that the scripture called "Gods" without making them equal to the Almighty God. Just as human judges were called "gods"(Psalm 82:6), so also God made Jesus a Mighty God to judge all (John 5:22). God the Father made Moses a God to Pharaoh and he never became equal to his God because of that title (Exodus 7:1). Jesus distinguishes the Father as the only true God. The Father is God over all who are called God and not their equal (1 Corinthians 8:4-6).

The head of Christ is God so Christ cannot be equal to his head. He said himself that the Father is greater than I. The name Emmanuel means God is with us through Jesus, not that Jesus is God the Father himself (John 14:10).

Deuteronomy 10:17 is talking about the Father who is the God of gods and Lord of lords. The Father can make others lord as he did for Joseph. He also made Jesus Lord and messiah by God his God. He is the God of Jesus Christ (Revelation 3:12).

In Revelation, the title “Alpha and Omega” is applied to God (Revelation 1:8; 21:6) and also used of Christ in the sense of His role in salvation history — given by the Father (John 5:26-27).

Holiness doesn’t equal being God. We are also encouraged in the bible to live be holy.

Therefore, this subtopic fails to establish the Trinity but supports the truth that the Father is One God over all.

Key verses:

Genesis 45:8 NIV
[8] “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt.

John 5:22 NIV
[22] Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Genesis 45:9 NIV
[9] Now hurry back to my father and say to him, ‘This is what your son Joseph says: God has made me lord of all Egypt. Come down to me; don’t delay.

Acts 2:36 NIV
[36] “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

John 5:26-27 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself. [27] And He has granted Him the right to pass judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

Psalms 82:6 YLT98
[6] I — I have said, ‘Gods ye [are], And sons of the Most High — all of you,


Exodus 7:1 NKJV
[1] So the Lord said to Moses: “See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

Matthew 1:23 HCSB
[23] See, the virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they will name Him Immanuel, which is translated “God is with us.”

John 14:10 HCSB
[10] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own. The Father who lives in Me does His works.

Deuteronomy 10:17 HCSB
[17] For the Lord your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God, showing no partiality and taking no bribe.

Isaiah 9:6-7 LSB
[6] For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. [7] There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of Yahweh of hosts will accomplish this.

John 17:22 LSB
[22] The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

John 14:28 LSB
[28] You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

1 Corinthians 11:3 LSB
[3] But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

John 17:3 LSB
[3] And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

1 Peter 1:16 LSB
[16] because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.

Daniel 2:37 LSB
[37] You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory;

Image123

Focus on this lie you told here and tell us who is the God of God the Father. Leave Emusan to speak for himself.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136310247

You can use double negative to deny that you didn't write such a thing so as to deceive people. Maybe I manipulated it with AI. So tell us.

Emusan:
This is the issue.

My reply was the cumulative of what I know that transpired between you and him.



If this is what you want, then I read his reply to FX about how he used two NEGATIVE words to show what he meant. Well I don't have much to say on that.



I will advise you to focus on your thread and don't stretch much on this.

False accusations is a strong word, remember you also claimed "AI default program favors TRINITY" which is also false.

Should AI demand apology for this or will you be willing to tender an apology to AI?

To me this is just misunderstanding that needs not to be stretched.

I called you for a specific purpose, you left it and started discussing another thing. Do you people do this to protect lies or what?

How can you people understand scripture when simple things are difficult for you.

Nobody is interested in if what I said is true or false. Upon all my explanation it is still difficult. I cannot be deceived by double negatives. AI said it in the video where he was tagged a deceit. I understood what he said even without the AI backup.

See another example here.

A. I wrote: Emusan

B. Someone came and said: that I denied the fact that what I wrote on the isn't Emusan.

Read it carefully and tell me if what I wrote in A is the same thing someone said in B. Are they the same? You can answer these questions to know if they are the same.

1. what did I denied?
2. Say If what I wrote isn't Emusan?

When you answer these questions you will understand that it is a false accusation. Nobody is interested in if Emusan is black, white, or yellow.

Then you can go back to that page where I called you and see it clearly.

Round 7 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Image123: 0 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Boomark: 0

Final score

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ah82EiNlzfQ?si=MVy7WGR0jcr4o8B9

Image123

Image123:
The joke is on you. You constantly leave the weightier matters like Who used scripture more clearly and accurately? Did either person use scripture out of context? Did either side prove or avoid the point? Who followed the challenge rules more closely? Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone? You prefer to focus on dots, where is subtopic or claim typed, how to put a bracket and if self made main topics are followed. Those are more important to you than understanding and revelation.
All i used were your rules, written by you and changed at least 3 times by you now. i simply scrolled back and recorded using phone instead of the computer used earlier. i replaced Boomark and Image123 with Mr A and Mr B in some places. Those are minor and don't influence or affect the substance.
Lolz at wondering at my ChatGPT. So it's now mine? i told you many times that AI is unreliable. i even did one round like twice and it gave different results, same prompt. i think either round 1 or 3. i am not responsible for what ChatGPT writes or analyses. The prompt was yours. When i asked you about remarking, you said you cannot be repeating, lolz. Better wake up from self deception.

Always try and use common sense.

If you want use Mr Biggs and Mr Chicken, I marked the Mr A and Mr B statement for you and told you not to use it. It is not meant for ChatGPT but for you and for people to understand how the discussion will be. I have never used it but you won't listen. Continue lamenting over your inability to understand things.

Emusan:
Since Boomark has been tagging my mention on this issue, I didn't reply because I don't understand his main point.

But with this, I think we need to understand something.

Firstly, No AI outside there condition with any benefits or bias ideas. Anyone with little background in Software Engineering will know AI only pulls information from different ACCESSIBLE sources and make it readable in well organized way.

So, the claim by Boomark that AI FAVOUR TRINITY isn't true and I think that was the impression that image123 tried to correct.

AI will only output what you feed it with.

Secondly, image123 claim that AI doesn't favour Trinity is correct.

For instance, If you ask AI Does God exist?

It will answer what the Theist claims, what Atheist claims and what philosopher claims and I'm very sure no AI will outrightly say "Yes! God does Exist or No! God does not exist."

Lastly, I will use this to address how I do deal with AI when it comes to most debatable topics i.e Bible & Christianity.

For instance, I post a verse in the Bible and I ask AI to explain... The reply will come with most widely acceptable explanations and those who opposed such view example Christ Divinity. With this only verse the AI can conclude that Yes Jesus is God but when I push further with another verse, it's view of Jesus being God will change and vis a vis.

So, the best way of using AI about Jesus Divinity which I've done is this:

1. I ask AI, if God should exist what and what attributes must a Being have before considered being be God? The AI listed attributes like UNCREATED, ETERNAL, All Knowing e.t.c

2. I ask the AI to go through Matthew to Revelation and pick where those attributes appeared.

3. I then ask it to explain those verses.

4. It's explanation will still try to be most acceptable vs most opposed but I'll push further by saying something like "I don't want explanation based on Theology, I want open-mind explanation i.e if I'm reading those verses without a background on any Theological theories."

5. It's explanation will a little bit different from the first explanation and if you're not bias at least the person should agree with the AI 70-80%.

6. The last thing I do also, is to ask the AI to go through the Hebrew or Greek manuscripts itself and explain those verses based on it's understanding of those languages without Theological theories.


In conclusion, I've tried to use some verses in the scripture to prove to the AI that Jesus isn't God and it agreed and I've also used some verses in the scripture to prove to the AI that Jesus is God and it agreed as well.

That is why I said, AI isn't favour Trinity it depends on how you put your question or statement.

I know the reason why Boomark made that claim is because he has done that many times and the results he got wasn't pleasant to his ears.

My two cents!

Why are things difficult for you people to understand?

See example what I want from you.

I wrote on a board: "the rice is brown"

Now someone came and said that, "I denied the fact that the rice isn't brown"

So I want you to tell us if what he said was actually what I wrote on the board. Did I deny anything from what I wrote on the board. Use this illustration and check again. Did it match what I said or was I falsely accused of denying what I never denied.

I am only interested in the false accusation not the AI experience on trinity.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/3#136388655

This is where you failed. The evidence clearly shows that your AI is compromised. It is difficult to say it was a mistake because you are not trustworthy. You have already shown us how you twist things and pretend you didn't do anything.

1. Your ChatGPT is making judgement based on theology. This is a very big red flag. It broke rule 1 which state that judgement must be made with bible alone. No borrowing of anything from creed, tradition, etc.

2. This a foul play. Theological judgement is unacceptable. No wonder you are claiming that you won and draw some with me. It is using it's default program that favours trinity to make judgement. You are free to accuse me of denying what I never denied anywhere.

3. See my own in round 3 and how judgment should be. It doesn't tolerate anything that is against the rules. No theology, creed, tradition or anything outside the bible.


I will not keep repeating myself when you don't know how to do things. When you remove subtopic of the discussion, I wonder what you want to get from a no topic discussion. You not only talk out of point, you also do things out of point.

Image123:
i see. i'll have to update one of my posts on the first page to reflect what i have said several times then. Here are some of the videos again using the phone and dark mode. Again, i do not use it to prove that i win you or whatever, but to show you again that AI cannot be a determinant of doctrine or what scriptures say. It cannot even assess or analyse the same thing consistently as shown. In all these, take some time to reflect and at least go through posts. i noticed that one of the videos i posted had 0 views. Meaning that you didn't even bother to see it before concluding. i hope that you can see these ones.

Round 1 ChatGPT says it was a draw. i even asked it for a remark, and why it changed its mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxNoYw7dxQ0

Round 2 ChatGPT says it was a draw.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xgFCZF57Cmk

Round 3 gave two results. One a draw and the second one a win for me.

Round 3 draw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scWsx_Dz47Y

Round 3 win for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExVkK5U9fQ

Round 6, it says i won. i think i earlier sent it from the computer screen but you gave some excuse. Here is a clearer version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo4h5VinKc

Please try and use common sense at least.

I have told how to send the rules but you still don't understand. You went and did it you own way.

There is nothing like draw in a claim and rebuttal debate. I said something and you oppose what I said and you are talking about draw. There was no subtopic in your round 1 and 2. You also add Mr A and Mr statement which was not the challenge rule. I even made what you should use bold but in fact you have a problem. Anyway, what you got was a parallel analysis.

As in, all the time I wasted trying to show you how to start the chat with ChatGPT in the link below was for nothing sake.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/3#136386003

Screenshots

1. You are not supposed to add this Mr A and Mr B thing. I clearly told you what you copy but your lack of understanding carried you dey go.

2. It was making judgement based on parallel analysis instead of proponent and opponent bases. Claim and rebuttal and not claim Vs claim.

3. I wonder why claim was supposed to counter a rebuttal instead of rebuttal that is meant to counter a claim. Round 3

4. Parallel analysis. What am I rebutting in my own claim.

Image123:
i didn't accuse him wrongly. Admitting that will be the lie. i used a double negative, which i admit can be confusing but is not wrong.
Boomark said ChatGPT's default program favour Trinity. i told him no, and gave him picture proof from ChatGPT itself proving him wrong. This is the incident that i clearly referred to later in a double negative. Boomark knew this and quoted it but somehow wanted some brownie points as typical. i am very sorry that he is offended but i didn't lie against him. He simply didn't understand the double negative statement that i used.

See your coach here.

John 8:44 NRSV
[44] You are from your father the devil, and you choose to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Well done.

FreeIgboho:
If Jesus is NOT God can you say EXACTLY what he is and why his attributes mentioned above (including his existence before creation started) are NOT Godly attributes?

I have seen it bro.

I will prepare detailed response for you. I have low battery.