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Round 3

Subtopic: Jesus Christ has a God. His God is the Father


Claim:

God the Father, who is the only true God is the most powerful perfect supreme being who made everything. He alone is God over all. He is greater than all, and not equal to anyone including all those that are called Gods. He is the God of Gods. He alone cannot die. Everyone obey his command and do his will. Everyone worship and pray to him. His name is Jehovah. This is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ himself confirmed that the Father is his God here on earth and while in heaven. God is the brain behind everything that was made from the beginning in Genesis to Revelation. They are his will.

He is the one that made Jesus Christ Lord and messiah. It is the Father that gave him power and all authority to do everything according to his will. In all these he remains subject to the Father, his God.

Key verses:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4] We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him....

1 Corinthians 11:3 NIrV
[3] But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Hebrews 1:9 NKJV
[9] You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

1 Timothy 1:17 NLT
[17] All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:16 NLT
[16] He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

Ephesians 1:17 NIV
[17] I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

1 Peter 1:3 NIV
[3] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

John 6:38 NLT
[38] For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will.

John 12:49 AMP
[49] For I have never spoken on My own initiative or authority, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment regarding what to say and what to speak.

Genesis 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Revelation 1:1 NIrV
[1] This is the revelation from Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show those who serve God what will happen soon. God made it known by sending his angel to his servant John.

Matthew 6:9 HCSB
[9] “Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.

John 20:17 AMP
[17] Jesus said to her, “Do not hold Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Do you agree Image123?

Round 2 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Boomark: -10 point for posting after 24 hrs
Image123: +10

Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Boomark: +5

Final score

Boomark: +5 points

Image123: +5 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


Boomark cleared all the points according to the rules in round 2.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0i2w99M1lY?si=WxIocv_kl-XIDjNg

Round 3 is next

Image123:
Okay, i await your response.

Round 2

Rebuttal:

No. Trinity Is a false doctrine because there is nothing like "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" in the scripture. God the Father and Jesus Christ were called Lord of lords but the Holy spirit which is the power of the Most High God was never called God or Lord of lords. Besides, Jesus was made Lord and messiah by God the Father.

The Holy spirit was never called God or Lord in the bible. 2 Corinthians 3:14,16-17 was talking about Christ who became a spirit after his death and resurrection and not the Holy spirit. Just as God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Nebuchadnezzar were each called King of kings in the bible does not make Nebuchadnezzar a trinity with God and Jesus.

The phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy spirit" is not found anywhere in the bible. Jesus is known as the Son of God, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God. They are referred to as "of God" because both Jesus and the Holy spirit belongs to God.

LORD is used in place of JEHOVAH, The name of the Almighty God, the Father. He alone bears the name Jehovah. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who sent Jesus Christ his servant and glorified him. The God Almighty of the old testament. He is the only true God and God over all.

Key verses:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4] We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Acts 1:8 NIV
[8] But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Luke 1:35 NIV
[35] The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

2 Corinthians 3:14, 16-17 NIV
[14] But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
[16] But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Timothy 6:15 NLT
[15] For, At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

Revelation 17:14 NLT
[14] Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Daniel 2:37 LSB
[37] You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory;

1 Corinthians 3:23 NLT
[23] and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deuteronomy 6:4 YLT98
[4] ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

Acts of the Apostles 2:17-19, 22 NLT
[17] ‘In the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. [18] In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on my servants—men and women alike— and they will prophesy. [19] And I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below— blood and fire and clouds of smoke.
[22] “People of Israel, listen! God publicly endorsed Jesus the Nazarene by doing powerful miracles, wonders, and signs through him, as you well know.

Isaiah 42:1 NIrV
[1] “Here is my servant. I take good care of him. I have chosen him. I am very pleased with him. I will put my Spirit on him. He will bring justice to the nations.

Acts 3:13 HCSB
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

Chibuezem:
nobody is afraid bro
Do the needful give us your definition of trinity

I don't need to define it. I only destroy any definition you give to it with the heip of the only true God and my lord Jesus Christ.

Since you all were depending on me and according me the great honour to define your trinity for you. I defined it for Steep here and he has fled since then.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood#136245637

Watch the challenge. I'm about to destroy another definition of trinity with God's word again.

FxMasterz

Good evening bro.

What I meant is that you can discuss with image123 here incase you have something to discuss with respect to trinity. You will talk when you can post it during his turn. You have seen how we make our presentation. I am not answering any question.

Just make claim to what you believe in with your key verses and I will present a rebuttal.

No vex for the removal of your post. It was part of the rule.

Kingsempires:
so you think I kingsempires will come out to print long sentence about how holy Trinity is biblical. No !! No !! no !! no !! That's just like puring water on stone. I have seen most of your thread on nairaland you always make thread like this even with all the points giving to you on your thread you still disagree. These are lists of early Christians from 1st to 10th century;

Roman Catholic Church


Eastern Orthodox Church


Armenian Apostolic Church


Coptic Orthodox Church


Syriac Orthodox Church


As you can see this are the oldest christian denominations right now. They all believe in the holy Trinity. This teaching has been for long no need for me going to bring bible quotes like I said "debating the topic holy Trinity with you is like puring water on stone" you can never accept my fact so I won't go further 😏

This "I am not afraid your question" cannot even see or understand or know what a question looks like.

Despite all my effort to make the question bold. Out of fear he is not lecturing me. It's like he doesn't know that broad is the way that leads to destruction.

Sometimes if you people even understand english. Or you are just afraid of the question. It is only those who are serving satan and the antichrist that will reject or ignore the words of Jesus Christ.

You new name is now Afraidempires.

Gabrielshow24:
😅I caught you severally, red handed and pants down, on your differing understanding of scripture. From this:



To this:


his below response includes his Angelic gaffe, along with him giving expostulations to dismiss the modalist view, also he acknowledges the Spirit is God's power, hence nothing God can do that his Spirit can't😅, but we know from his write-up he has a compositional God 😂, one that is different from our God. Perhaps, he has Allah in mind!



Look at the below response 😂, it's so funny, how someone can unwittingly refute himself.
Someone should kindly explain to him, why "God" and "God almighty" are essentially the same! His straw in the form of Moses is also far fetched 😂!



This below is another proof that he targets modalists. His entire thesis indicates he has the perception of trinity as God being the Father,Son and the Holy Spirit are modes. A modalist or sabellian view contests that God existed as modes or nodes with each node: The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit being the same person. Thus when God was in heaven, he was called, the Father when he was on Earth, the Son and finally, the Holy Spirit.😅

This is what he aims to disprove!



Can someone kindly tell him that the bolded below is not a suitable reconciliation in academia? 😂
The other bolded parts are indications that his arguments are against modalists! He has a skewed perception hence the refusal to define the term "trinity" as people will latch on to his misconceptions.


The bolded below in his response is actually funny😂.



All in all, he has a composite God. He has a skewed perception of trinity and has committed an high degree of inaccuracies.

You lie on a 12 word sentence, how much more all these.

If you like call me a modalist, tribalist, or analyst, I will destroy the out point trinity doctrine before your very eyes.

That's when you will know that I am also a Slayerlist

FreeIgboho:
See the kind of things you're saying behind my back. In front of me you'd pretend to be my friends. If I wasn't a devout Christian I'd say THUNDER fire the both of you!

When you were arguing in circles with Gabrielshow24 about freewill, and losing the argument to be honest, am I not the one that ended the argument by simply pointing out that everything boils down to the brain which you neither chose nor programmed and there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control?

Can a 5-year-old do that??

Who indirectly convinced everyone here there's no such thing as freewill because decisions are always based on past things you neither chose nor control - people like gohf, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, FxMasterz, Image123, Ruke1990, sonmvayina, MeetDx, Sand2022, who were all gong-ho about freewill before.
Who shut Boomark with facts when he tried to say the Bible never said God is omniscient?

Who wrote the brilliant OP that showed Jesus has to be God if you believe the Bible.

Can a 5-year-old do all that??

I'm still very much tempted to say thunder fire the both of you, but as a devout Christian...

No. You shut me with your lies.

DeepSight and LordReed are true about you.

Even 5 year old kids understand this english.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.


In this place

https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

See the remaining part of this post in the screenshot.

Gabrielshow24:
See intellectually dishonesty, na you make claim against trinity, you no define wetin you make claim about. You dey mandate your opposition to define it. 😂

Image123 and fxmasters, you are both wasting your time. That guy is impervious to reason, scripture and logic! You should have seen that from the get go. To him, proving Jesus Christ has a God negates trinity 😂. That's why we have concluded in other threads that he is only attacking modalists or sabellians!

Likewise remember this parable:
"The child that will know book, it's from infancy that we know".

Irrespective, more grease to the elbow for your patience 🤨. God bless you both.

You were so afraid to take up the challenge because you knew you always talk out of point. Yout reason is fashioned to speak against Christ. And you want me to join you and reason like antichrist.

I reject and bind.

You were caught red handed speaking against Christ. Bankrolled by false doctrines.

Gabrielshow24:
😂No one takes you seriously. You don't even know what you set out to disprove. With all your glib points, you have in no way negated trinity. Your skewed perception shows you target modalists.

Please, educate yourself about what a false dichotomy is and stop wasting everybody's time!

You should start telling us why you said that what Jesus said is a false dichotomy.

If you want use AI define it. That is what you said against the Lord. You people don't know what you are doing.

Round 1 result is out


https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136298876

Image123

I was had difficulty trying to upload the video here. I will start preparing my rebuttal for round 2.

This is the information as it was feed to ChatGPT so people can verify on their own. The template is in the original post and I won't be posting it like this in subsequent rounds.

ChatGPT please don't comment on this post. You will comment accordingly to the instructions on the next and subsequent posts.

Challenge Rules:

Bible Versions:
Any version allowed. Each participant must state the version used when quoting scripture.

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rule 3: Equal Turns
Each person gets the same number of responses per point/claim. Till any exhaust their claim.

Rule 4: Respect and Clarity
Use respectful language. Focus on proving truth, not mocking.

Rule 5: One Topic at a Time
The challenge or claim must be focused on proving or disproving the Trinity. Do not bring in unrelated topics (e.g., Sabbath, tithing, etc.).

Round 1

Main topic: Trinity - is it biblical?

Subtopic: The Father is one God over all.

CLAIM:
[There is nothing like trinity or One God who are 3 persons and are equal in the bible. The bible made it clear that we all, including Jesus Christ, have one God. And that one God is the Father not three persons.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Father. The God of the Israelites is the Father. His name is Jehovah and he alone is called that name. The only true God according to Jesus Christ is the Father. He alone is the only one God over all who are in heaven and on earth. The Father is the God of the old testament that spoke through the prophets and is now speaking through his son Jesus Christ. He is the God of Gods.

Key verses:

1 Corinthians 8:4, 6 NIrV
[4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Acts 3:13 NKJV
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

Deuteronomy 6:4 YLT98
[4] ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

John 20:17 KJV
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 17:3 KJV
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 Timothy 1:17 NLT
[17] All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

John 5:44 NLT
[44] No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

Romans 3:22,30 NLT
[22] We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
[30] There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith*, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

Hebrews 1:1-2 NIV
[1] In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Hebrews 1:9 NIV
[9] You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

John 8:54 AMP
[54] Jesus answered, “If I in glorify Myself, My glory is [worth] nothing. It is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’]

REBUTTAL:

[While there's no word like Trinity, or Bible in the Bible, the concept and meaning are in the scriptures/Bible. The teaching of Trinity is basically that God is One Lord in three distinct PERSONS i.e God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost/Spirit. there is no argument that God the Father is God and over all, we all have one God the Father. The argument is that the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, hence the terms or phrases God the Son and God the Spirit. These 3 persons are unique yet the same in a way no other being is. They are omnipotent.
The Bible refers to Jesus Christ as God

These two verse refer to TWO beings as God. The Word was God and was in the beginning with God. The Word in verse 1 is who is referred to as the Son, while the God in verse 2 is referred to as the Father.


The Bible refers to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob several times as the Lord. It also refers to Jesus Christ several times as the Lord.

The passage in Genesis 18 shows the Lord being referred to as three men.

Jesus Christ the Truth later witnessed that Abraham rejoiced to see His day and that He is before Abraham.

You'll recall also from Moses that the name I AM refers to the Lord in the Old Testament.

The Bible says that the Lord is the true God. Jesus Christ is the Lord. The Spirit of God is the Lord. The Father is the Lord. There's no other being referred to as the Lord in the Bible except these 3. Jesus Christ is referred to as the true God in 1 John 5. He is also the everlasting and King of kings.

Key verses: ALL KJV.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jer_10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. cf Psalm 2v12

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)

2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev_19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.]

✅ Instructions:
Please analyze both responses and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?


2. Did either person use scripture out of context?


3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?


4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely which is to focus on the scripture alone?


5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

Round 1 result.

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Boomark: +5

Final score

Boomark: +15 points

Image123: -5 points


Watch the short video to see how the analysis was.

The claim that the Father is one God over all is better supported by clear, in- context, and consistent scripture use.

The rebuttal raised valid Trinitarian interpretation, but relied more on inference than explicit biblical statements which goes against Rule 1 (Bible alone) and Rule (Context always)

So boomark clear all the points according to the rules.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RWJBFyWju0Y?si=KHyQ952dVaLwzEnq

Gabrielshow24:
Don't mind him, he is targeting modalist! His thesis is against that. We are not modalist so he has nothing against us! Even if he tried, he will refute himself.

His perception of trinity is based on Modalism. That's why he can't negate the Godship of Jesus but affirm it. He is only showing the obvious from the scripture. If he is to do so well, he knows what he must do. He must negate the Godship of Jesus, but since hasn't done this. He targets modalist; nothing more, nothing less.

Please allow the guy to answer the question you couldn't answer. The words of Jesus Christ which you tag as falsehood shows you are antichrist. You are still yet to show me what is the false dichotomy in what Christ said.

See it here again if you are not afraid also. Your out of point answer is very funny.

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false/16#136226478

Image123

Please let us follow instructions. That's the reason why I want this to be different and base on the truth. The AI will tell us those who are talking out of point without even knowing they are talking out of point.

I told you to edit your rebuttal on round 1 with the format you used in your round 2 presentation.

Besides, how can start talking about Lord as evidence of trinity without telling us the meaning of trinity and bible verses supporting it?

So now, edit your rebuttal in round 1. Your round 2 claim should start by explaining the meaning of trinity fwith key verses to support it. Your claim on Lord and others can come later as back up claim for trinity. Unless maybe trinity has no meaning in the first place, then we can end the discussion and agree that trinity is a false doctrine.

Please at a title or topic for each claim. Your claim should be built around your topic

Eg.

Round 1

Topic: Trinity Is 3 person in one God.

Claim:

Key verses:

Kingsempires:
I am here, not afraid of your questions 😐

Since I was asking for a challenger you didn't take it. Now we have started already.

Ok answer this one and don't run or disappear.

See here and answer this with options A or B copied out as your answer. Follow this instruction. You can add your own statement after. If you reject Both A and B or run away then you have rejected Christ's word.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


1. From the scriptures above, do you believe and accept that the Father is the only true God and that the Father is the God of Jesus Christ as Jesus said?

Option:

A. I believe and accept

B. I don't believe and I reject it because he is not correct


Remember to follow instruction and copy out your answer from the given options.

Image123

Note that your rebuttal has to oppose what I wrote. From the little I have read from what you wrote, you didn't oppose. You started making a different claim after saying there is no argument in what I wrote. That is not rebuttal. It can be taken as out of point because you didn't counter what I wrote.

If you want, you can start first by making a claim and I will counter. You have to start by defining trinity plus other comments and then key verses supporting it.

You don't need to quote all my post when making a claim. Just mention me at the end. "Do you agree boomark?" will be asked only during claims because rebuttal will mark the end of each round.

So chose if you want to start first and I will remove what I have posted already. Then make a claim and put it in the format just the way I did my own. Or you can just accept my claim since there is no argument or rebuttal to it. Then what you wrote and the meaning of trinity can come in round 2 as a claim with your key verses. But if you want us to confirm this round with ChatGPT, then edit your post like this:

Round 1

Rebuttal:

Post all your statement

Key verses:

Post all the scriptures you used (include version used in all)

Sand2022:
I wanted to reply to all these, but the first point you made was that Jesus is God, but not God Almighty. I need to understand your position well. What do you mean by the word "God"? How many Gods di we have? Jesus being God, do you think he should be worshipped?

Is the point of difference only the claim that Jesus is not the Almighty? Only his Father is Almighty?

You don't need to reply all of them with a general statement. Just chose anyone you like and say it is false backed with scriptures.

Yes to the worship. I believe you know worship has many meanings like bowing or kneeling before someone.

Sand2022:
Perhaps the unique Angel of the Lord. So it is logical to say two persons bear the one title Yahweh?

So you now believe that Jesus is an angel of God?

sonmvayina:
that verse is confusing, but i read it in context, i think there is only one lord most high. which is the one doing the rebuking. the one who made the first statement has to be the angel or joshua or possibly zachariah.

It is not confusing. If you know God the Father It will only confuse those who believe in trinity and those who has been confused by the word "LORD".

I want him to tell me where he saw Jesus in that verse first. It is just a simple thing that those who believe in trinity will never understand.

Sand2022:
So Yahweh said, Yahweh rebuke you Satan? Like the same Yahweh is saying Himself ( Yahweh) should rebuke Satan? Would that be your understanding?

Yes that's what it is. Made a correction in your statement.

So when I am going to get my own answer of seeing Jesus in this Zechariah 3:2? I have been the one answering question of what you believe in. You should be the one showing me things unless you don't understand what you believe in.

Image123:
Oh my goodness, i have a thread that bears my name! lolz. Okay oh.

To be clear though, how does it go, is it claim from A and a rebuttal from B, then a claim from B and a rebuttal from A, or it's a continuous claim from A and rebuttal from B?

Yes to the bolded.

After your rebuttal or acceptance of my claim. You will then make your own claim for me to counter or accept. Just like that

Sand2022:
From the verse quoted, only one person is speaking to himself?

One person is speaking to satan not to himself.

I still haven't seen your evidence of Jesus in the Zechariah 3:2 you asked me to post. You should be the one showing me.

Sand2022:
I would have engaged you dear, but I don't have that time. But I can discuss this subject with you gradually on the other thread. Debate does take time.

No problem. We have Started already

Hello everyone the bible discussion has started


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Round 1


Claim:

There is nothing like trinity or One God who are 3 persons and are equal in the bible. The bible made it clear that we all, including Jesus Christ, have one God. And that one God is the Father not three persons.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Father. The God of the Israelites is the Father. His name is Jehovah and he alone is called that name. The only true God according to Jesus Christ is the Father. He alone is the only one God over all who are in heaven and on earth. The Father is the God of the old testament that spoke through the prophets and is now speaking through his son Jesus Christ. He is the God of Gods.

Key verses:

1 Corinthians 8:4, 6 NIrV
[4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Acts 3:13 NKJV
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

Deuteronomy 6:4 YLT98
[4] ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

John 20:17 KJV
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


John 17:3 KJV
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 Timothy 1:17 NLT
[17] All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

John 5:44 NLT
[44] No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

Romans 3:22,30 NLT
[22] We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
[30] There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith*, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

Hebrews 1:1-2 NIV
[1] In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Hebrews 1:9 NIV
[9] You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”


John 8:54 AMP
[54] Jesus answered, “If I in glorify Myself, My glory is [worth] nothing. It is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’


Do you agree?

The aim of this discussion is to bring all scriptures in support or against trinity.

Warning: Please do not make any post here until the whole challenge is over. This is to ensure that all the scriptures in support or against are seen by all without distractions. You will be banned and your post removed for violating this privacy rule.

This is the link for discussion on the challenge.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood#136238868

Bible Challenge Topic:
The Father is One God over all and greater than all who are called God
Vs
The Father is God, the Son Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet they are one God (Trinity).

Participants:
Boomark [The Father is One God over all and greater than all who are called God]

And

Image123 [The Father is God, the Son Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet they are one God (Trinity).]


Duration: Till the last claim

Bible Versions:
Any version allowed. Each participant must state the version used when quoting scripture.

Challenge Rules:

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rule 3: Equal Turns
Each person gets the same number of responses per point/claim. Till any exhaust their claim.

Rule 4: Respect and Clarity
Use respectful language. Focus on proving truth, not mocking.

Rule 5: One Topic at a Time
The challenge or claim must be focused on proving or disproving the Trinity. Do not bring in unrelated topics (e.g., Sabbath, tithing, etc.).

Rule 6: Subtopic and clam must reflect position of the claimant in the main topic they are supporting. This rule applies only to the claimant not rebuttal.

Daily Challenge Format

Claim and rebuttal/support will be rotated in turn between Mr A and Mr B. And it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond.

Mr A will make his claim in favour or against trinity with one or more scriptures.

Mr B will either support or offer a rebuttal to his claim with scripture.

Note: Always remember the add, "Do you agree?" after each claim.

Make your presentation in this format:

Claim:

Key verses:

Or

Rebuttal:

Key verses:


SCORING

The admin or marker we choose will add our claim and rebuttal into this scoring prompt below and paste into ChatGPT after each round.

Main Topic:
The Father is One God over all and greater than all who are called God
Vs
The Father is God, the Son Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet they are one God (Trinity).


CLAIM:
[Paste your full message here]


REBUTTAL:
[Paste their full message here]

✅ Instructions:
You must not be partial. Analyze both responses and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?

2. Did either person use scripture out of context?

3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?

4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely?

5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

6. Did Subtopics and clam reflect the position of the main topic the claimant is supporting according to rule 6? If not, indicate DISQUALIFIED for the claimant here with a brief summary.


Then give:

A brief summary

A winner for this round (if clear)

AWARDING POINTS:

Winner = +10 points

Instruction number 3 only (for avoiding point) = -5 points to rule breaker, +5 to opponent. Do not award points incase of draw.

Total score for each participant:

Claim:

Rebuttal:


Claim without a counter or rebuttal will be regarded as successful after 48 hours.

If one of the participants has exhausted his claim, the one who still have claims will continue to make claims while the opponent has the right to rebuttal or support and points will be awarded accordingly.

The screenshot of the results will be posted in the challenge thread to ensure transparency.


Round 1, 2, 3, etc.

Cumulative Score and Winner

Boomark score: +110 points

Image123 score: -10 point




Round 1 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136298876

Round 2 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136306032

Round 3 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136317575

Mini Challenge Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136345173

Round 4 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136346625

Round 5 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136379742

Round 6 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/4#136397889

Round 7 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/4#136424982

Round 8 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/5#136449660

Round 9 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136493095

Round 10 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136515692

Round 11 Result
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136560017

Let's make clear the will of God.

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Image123, your turn

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