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I want to deal with you and your Nicea belief. So that you know that I dealt with your Nicea belief while still younger than those who formed it for you.

This will show you that the Ai knows what it is doing. We will use it to do the neutral test you are asking for.

So this here was used to support trinity but I am opposing it by saying it is not talking about the Holy spirit but Jesus Christ. Go and gather your Nicea materials and prove that it is talking about the Holy spirit. You will see how we make claim

2 Corinthians 3:17 NIrV
[17] Now the Lord is the Holy Spirit. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, freedom is also there.

I am doing this so you know I am putting myself at a disadvantage. But I will disagree with this translation and prove to you that it is a wrong interpretation.

So what you will do is to make a claim that passage is talking about the Holy spirit. If you know anyhow you want to do your claim do it so you don't blame me if you fail. As usual, you have to present key verses to support your claim.

I will make claims that the passage is not talking about Holy spirit but Jesus Christ and also present my verses.

We will not use topic. So posted your preferred scripture first and start making your claim under it. If we are to use to topic it will be: is 2 Corinthians 3:17 talking about Jesus Christ or the Holy spirit.

But we are not using topic so don't start saying it sway AI. I don't even know where it will sway this time. It will to your side if you present solid claim and key verses without talking out of point. So if I win don't think it is magic. The truth stands.

Below are the rules. Check if there is anything you want us to edit in the rules. We will make our presentation before 6pm tomorrow. After this we will start our normal challenge. I will check results and you will also do it with your own AI. I will post video here and will also bring your own video. Or you confirm if what I presented is the same with yours.

Gabrielshow24 you can also try in case you are interested so you stop talking and laughing too much.

Rule for the participants

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rules for you ChatGPT

Rule 1: You must strictly analyse and make judgement based on claim and key verses presented only.

Rule 2: You must not be partial.

Rule 3: You must state who won the challenge.



MR F CLAIM:
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MR B CLAIM:
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✅ Instructions:
Please analyze both claim according to all the rules and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?

2. Did either person use scripture out of context?

3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?

4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely which is to focus on the scripture alone?

5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

This will show you that the Ai knows what it is doing. We will use it to do the neutral test you are asking for.


2 Corinthians 3:17 NIrV
[17] Now the Lord is the Holy Spirit. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, freedom is also there.

I am doing this so you know I am putting myself at a disadvantage. But I will disagree with this translation and prove to you that it is a wrong interpretation.


So what you will do is to make a claim that passage is talking about the Holy spirit. If you know anyhow you want to do your claim do it so you don't blame me if you fail. As usual, you have to present key verses to support your claim.

I will make claims that the passage is not talking about Holy spirit but Jesus Christ and also present my verses.

We will not use topic. So posted your preferred scripture first and start making your claim under it. If we are to use to topic it will be: is 2 Corinthians 3:17 talking about Jesus Christ or the Holy spirit.

But we are not using topic so don't start saying it sway AI. I don't even know where it will sway this time. It will to your side if you present solid claim and key verses without talking out of point. So if I win don't think it is magic. The truth stands.

Below are the rules. Check if there is anything you want us to edit in the rules. We will make our presentation before 6pm tomorrow. After this we will start our normal challenge. I will check results and you will also do it with your own AI. I will post video here and will also bring your own video. Or you confirm if what I presented is the same with yours.

MINI CHALLENGE

Rule for the participants

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rules for you ChatGPT

Rule 1: You must strictly analyse and make judgement based on claim and key verses presented only.

Rule 2: You must not be partial.

Rule 3: You must state who won the challenge.



MR I CLAIM:
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MR B CLAIM:
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✅ Instructions:
Please analyze both claim according to all the rules and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?

2. Did either person use scripture out of context?

3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?

4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely which is to focus on the scripture alone?

5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

Image123:
It's not a lie, you are arguing that the Father is God, YES. To "argue" implies putting forth a claim. An argument is essentially a claim supported by reasons and evidence. More specifically, or word-for-word, you are arguing that the Father is the only true God according to Jesus Christ. Again, no one disputes this, we also teach it. The difference is the ALSO, we also teach that Jesus is the only true God, and the Spirit is the only true God. The same goes for being God over all, and God of gods. This has already been explained in the rounds, except you want it re-explained.
There's no distortion in saying that you claim that the Father is God, especially when i have earlier elaborated in the rounds. If you don't feel that the Father is God, then you can claim it as a distortion. you don't have to talk or think like a robot, like we've never had previous discussions and everything has to be repeated every single time. The teaching of trinity reaches and largely SURPASSES your teaching. That's why there's disagreement in the first place. That the Godhead is not just the Father, but the Son and the Spirit.

Lol, i just saw your support a claim thing though. i guess i understood your procedure as strictly a claim and rebuttal thing. That's why i use to say that i wait for your rebuttal. Nonetheless, that does not significantly change much except in your feeding of AI.
As you don't trust me or the images and text that that posted from ChatGPT, you don't need to go through the pain of trusting my video. It can be doctored you know? Here's the easy straightforward thing to do, which i suspect you have already done but you're too shy to tell us.

1. Ask the same ChatGPT to remark our 'arguments' without the TOPIC that sways to Jesus has a God. Simply type remark and score our 'arguments' without the TOPIC
2. ask it, "does AI and chatgpt depend on what you feed it?" and "does ai and chatgpt depend on gigo"
3. Ask "Is AI subject to the topic asked or neutral"

Round 1 you claim
we all, including Jesus Christ, have one God. And that one God is the Father not three persons. All the sentences and key verses that follow show what we both agree in bold. It is only right that i set you right to explain that Jesus is also one God and He is our God, the Spirit is also one God and He is our God.

Round 3, you claim again
Jesus Christ has a God. His God is the Father and the explanation still rotates around the similar thing. God over all. If you pause and ponder you'll notice that you're just spinning around. Let's hope there's something new in Round 5 though

Round 1
If you agree then then you don't have any other thing to say. Setting me right means you are interested in talking out of point. Even if post scripture of "Jesus wept," it is out of point.

Round 3
This the benefit of being on the side of truth and having a focus. My topic in Round cancelled everything about trinity. That is my main aim. You believe in trinity and I believe that there only One God over all and he is the Father. Your own is God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons. My goal is to count this your claim while you counter mine.You should make claim that support that while I make claims to support mine.

You don't expect me to believe falsehood and be at disadvantage. That is why you are complaining

Image123:
What translations, am i quoting koran? Which of these translations does not say Spirit of the Lord? How do YOU come to some weird conclusion that the Spirit of God is Holy Spirit except in this verse?
2 Corinthians 3:17
(BBE)  Now the Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there the heart is free.
(GW)  This Lord is the Spirit. Wherever the Lord’s Spirit is, there is freedom.
(KJV)  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(YLT)  And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is , there is liberty;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
English Standard Version
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

New International Version
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

You want to use two chapters to show me that one verse does not contain Spirit of the Lord, it's called FORCING it. Don't accept na, who's begging you?

These are the questions you can help me with, i don't need 2 chapters of twisting and turning. i await your round 5 claim.

1. Ask the same ChatGPT to remark our 'arguments' without the TOPIC that sways to Jesus has a God. Simply type remark and score our 'arguments' without the TOPIC
2. ask it, "does AI and chatgpt depend on what you feed it?" and "does ai and chatgpt depend on gigo"
3. Ask "Is AI subject to the topic asked or neutral"

What I fed the AI are all the out of point things you wrote and it gave you what you deserved.

Both of us have the opportunity to present our own subtopic. It is not my fault that you present topics that are not back the scripture. My own are superb and backed by the scripture. So stop complaining about this.

I don't know the school attended but my brother you cannot do anything without topic unless you are interested in confusing your readers. Did you copy notes in school with topics. Didn't they do for you things like this "today we going to learn Algebraic equations?" That is your topic. Go and check about 100 textbook and you will topics or table of contents in them. Please stop saying this in public.


I disagree with you. On those bible verses. Stop acting biko. You are not even seeing anything. Go and check NIrV. You can use it. Before we proceed I proposal to prove to you that AI knows what it is doing and that you are the problem for believing on falsehood and writing out of point. I will post it shortly. So that's you stop blaming Ai for your mistakes.

Image123:
Ahhhh, Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord except in a particular verse. Wonderful.
Where are the answers to my questions and your next claim?

Let me help you since it is difficult for you. Check some translations and you will see what you should be showing me.

Use scripture and prove your point and not by begging me to accept. Oya go and check.

I have been preparing a response to that with almost the whole of chapter 3 and part of chapter 4. I will post it this night or tomorrow. It will certainly be in the right context.

Image123:
Lolz. Reading this shows that you actually understand what i have been saying. See me thinking of helping you, poor me
Firstly, there's a lot of poor writing and grammatical errors in your posts, i need to struggle and assume your position to easily understand what you are typing. Try to do some revision/review before posting.
Think of your life, are you here to argue about suitable subtopics or to actually know if the Son is not God and the Spirit is not God? For the umpteenth time, every christian says that God the Father is God, that is why we are THEISTS. You can't force me to argue that He is not God because you have written some topic or subtopic. Are you looking for the overturning of topics and subtopics or for truth?
i have not blamed AI but showed you that AI is GIGO and you need to be careful what you feed it if you want good and not skewed analysis. Remember you said that you're just 2 months old in this. Take advice from an older more experienced user. Be humble.

Remember, you are arguing that the Father is God, no one is arguing against that, i am not. We are both arguing that the Father is God, nothing to rebut or overturn. The DIFFERENCE you think the Father alone is God. We say and i say that the Son is also God and the Spirit is God. That is what you should try to disprove or believe, rebut or accept.
i'll help repost what your AI said about Hebrew 1:8.

My brother I don't know if you enjoy falsehood or that you don't really understand English. I don't even know what to call this thing I bolded.

You said I am arguing that the Father is God in your comment which I bolded. I don't know whether to call this a false accusation or lack of understanding of english. I am not arguing anything. I made a good claim that the Father is the only true God according to Jesus Christ. That the Father is God over all. That the Father is the God of Gods.

You can't use distorted words to pull me down to the level in your comment so you can gain a point. The things I bolded is where your trinity doctrine cannot reach. I know what am doing. You don't understand them because you go outside the bible to borrow the things believe in. See the screenshots or go to page 1 and see my claim clearly. They are all in the bible as I wrote them.

Stop lying against me and stop talking out of point.

You have also proven that you don't obey instructions. Or don't you understand english. See the screenshots where I said that you either support a claim or make a rebuttal. I thought you will support most of the things I wrote. After saying their is no argument against my subtopic you will go ahead and start making rebuttal that is off point.

Please I need a video of what you fed to ChatGPT. Start on new page in your ChatGPT. I don't trust you. See my response to you last night which was removed. I screenshoted it before refreshing the page.

Image123:
Again, you evaded the question. Here it is again.
1. So, Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of the Lord?

In 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Holy spirit" is not the spirit of the Lord.


I have made bold so you see it properly incase you didn't see my previous answer.

If you say it is, show show me where you see Holy spirit in that verse.


I have also made it bold so you don't pretend you didn't see it or understand what I said. So answer my request.

FreeIgboho:
Kindly, I've shown you that God is OMNISCIENT!
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT MR TO SHOW YOU??!!!!!

You'll never live long enough to analyze the Bible the way 300 bishops analyzed it to come to a unanimous decision at Nicea

Will they send you to kill me or you think saying that will make you sound reasonable? Maybe they all lived 300 years each while analysing bible.

SHOW ME OMNISCIENT IN THE BIBLE AND IT MEANING. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU SINCE. IF YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ENGLISH, GO AND ASK YOUR 300 BISHOPS TO EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU.

I am tired of all these pretenders. Acting as if they don't know I want because they don't have it. Even their bishops don't have it and will never have it even if they live upto 1000years old.

Those who said you act like children knew you from Adam.

Image123:
Let me explain this to you like i said i'll try. You have fed AI with a topic: Is the Trinity biblical? And a subtopic that says "Jesus Christ has a God and His God is the Father. No one is against that claim, so automatically it's a setup for any rebut because there's even no rebut in the 1st place. Hence the claimant has the edge. In real life, we both claim that Jesus Christ has a God and His God is the Father. If you read me instead of merely feeding AI, you'd have seen the explanation.
i'll attach some screenshots from your video and then edit the prompt to prove to you that AI is GIGO and prompts can give a bias/wrong result.
In 1st image, ChatGPT explains about the subtopic given in the prompt. It changes the whole narrative as it's not rebutted. i gave an earlier example of a claimant saying Image123 does not appear in the Bible seven times. There's no rebuttal to that as no one alleged this in the first place. Automatically, any attempt to be at the rebutting end will be edged out regardless.
In 2nd image, did either side prove or avoid the point, you obviously see where this goes. There was no argument about the subtopic in the first instance, so the opposing side will be said to shift focus or not rebut. Classic GIGO
In the 3rd image attached, you see the reference to the subtopic again. The flawed feeding will definitely influence the AI. AI is not saying that Jesus is not God, but is responding to what it was fed, that there MUST be a rebuttal to the subtopic, which is affirmed by both sides. Of course, no point for rebut. Na who need point know how to get point oh.
In the 4th image below, the rebuttal did not overturn the main point, which is a flawed subtopic fed to the AI.

In my next post, i'll try to attach what the same ChatGPT says when fed just the arguments, same rules and prompts without a flawed topic/subtopic.

What do you mean by flawed subtopic? So in you don't write topic before copying all the notes you copied. You see topics in text books?

The problem is not AI but you. I told you that you are talking of point but you didn't realise it just as you didn't realise that there is no Holy spirit in 2 Corinthians 3:17.

Let me show you how you are talking of point in the screenshot below. AI was right. You could not overturn the subtopic.

1. First screenshot.
You agreed that the there is no arguments against my subtopic. In other words you have agreed that Jesus has a God and his God is the Father. But instead of throwing in the towel, you on to start saying things that could not counter my claim. You forgot I used key bible verses to support that subtopic. You even made a fatal blunder by saying that God the Father also has a God and never told us who his God is. You quoted Hebrew 1:8 and left out verse 9. Our aim here is not to deceive people and win argument. Don't even try to say this kind of thing again.

2. 2nd screenshot
You said Jesus made everything. This never opposed the subtopic which are back by scriptures. You left weightier matters to attack little things. You could not overturn the subtopic.

3. Screenshot
Jesus also claimed to be more powerful.

This is out of point

4. Screenshot

Still out of point because it didn't oppose the fact that Jesus has a God. Out of point.

So this is the reason you fail. You things that are off point.

If you you analyse my rebuttals you will see that I oppose you word for word. And most importantly those ones that are connected your subtopic. I present key verses to show that they are false. This is one that counts.

Nobody does anything stating their topic. The fault is from you not the subtopic.

By the way you are gradually shifting away from your main topic which is trinity. I noticed it in round 3. What ever subtopic you present must reflect support for trinity.

FreeIgboho:
My good brother please see the screenshot of the response I gave to your question below. Note the underlined in blue. Analyze all and kindly tell me how it does not answer your question.

Commendable that u want to believe only the word of God; but you have to first know the word of God. That's where those 300 bishops and others like them come in. Unlike you, they dedicate their whole lives to studying the Bible and meditating on the word.

Those closest to Jesus and who spent time with him, called him God. You are only reading (possibly manipulated) words in a book over 2000 years later, and you are arguing with them!

You are still not showing me what I asked you. Its obvious you believe more your 300 bishops. But I believe only in the word of God.

So continue believing in them. I will not argue with them and they should not argue with me if they find it difficult to understand what I ask them.

FxMasterz:
Good evening my brother.

Can you create a thread for you and I to discuss this, or would you like to finish off with Image123 first?

Good evening bro

Let me finish with him first.

Image123:
Calm down, the whole world is not watching you. You're getting agitated. i never knew that i would meet someone argue that the Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of the Lord. Miracle no dey tire Jesus.

Now you have met me.

It is now very difficult to quote a single verse you used to defend a false doctrine and show us where you saw "Holy spirit?"

Or is it a spirit word?
And this is how you want us to discuss human to human?

Larying no dey tire satan

Image123:
It's interesting that you don't believe me or trust me, despite attaching the images. You are on your own oh my dear. i told you what i did, you can do same at your end. i simply asked the same ChatGPT to remark our 'arguments' without the TOPIC that sways to Jesus has a God. Simply type remark and score our 'arguments' without the TOPIC that sways to Jesus has a God. You are simply asing AI to mark the arguments on their own merit, not on a forced conclusion that there must be a rebut of Jesus has a God.
A good thing about ChatGPT is that it always repeats or rephrases the question to you in its 1st paragraph in responding. You may check that also, since you are so keen. But for me to go and be doing screen recording and uploading on youtube, sorry dear. You can get the same results by following what i just said since you don't believe the images i posted.

Don't forget to ask it, "does AI and chatgpt depend on what you feed it?" and "does ai and chatgpt depend on gigo"

I don't believe you and I don't trust you.

How can I trust someone that didn't see a matchbox on a table but he is insisting there is a matchbox on it?

You didn't even do the right thing and you came out with pictures castigating the AI and making it look like I manipulate it. You removed the topic? So if you are into coding, you will remove the aim of your codes?

I told you and some other people that under normal condition the AI will favour trinitarians because almost all the church believe in it. So to avoid that I gave it instructions that will make it to remain neutral. It will not go outside to borrow information for the analysis.

Use the instructions as I posted it after Round 1. I would like to see what it gives in your own.

Image123:
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord. Are you a robot?

Are you a liar?

Quote the verse and show the whole world where you see "Holy spirit"

Image123:
i have to mention AI because it seems you depend a lot on it. i have simply told you that fact that AI depends on what you feed it.
You don't need faith, simply ask chatgpt and let's see the response. "does ai and ChatGPT depend on gigo" and "does AI and chatgpt depend on what you feed it?"
i did not ask you to ignore a phrase, i asked you to read to understand and not feed AI with misleading prompts. The Bible wasn't written in english dear, there's no going out to borrow anything.
2Co 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 
Boomark says verse above never said anything about the Holy Spirit. We are expected to believe Boomark by faith.

Please show us where you saw "Holy spirit" in the verse you posted?

Image123:
Here's the rest of the images from the same ChatGPT. i await your rebuttal o Boomark. No go get headache and sleepless night over ChatGPT. Let's discuss, human to human dear.

Please make a video of the instructions you gave to it from the beginning. You don't just send claims and rebuttal to it without instructions.

Round 4


Rebuttal:

That Jesus Christ is called God in the scripture does not in in any way support trinity because he has a God who he himself called the only true God. Jesus Christ himself showed us in the scripture how to distinguished between the Father, son, and the Holy spirit by telling us that the Father is the only true God, that he is the Son of God and the spirit he will ask from the Father is the Holy spirit. So the phrase God the Son is unscriptural and should not be used at all.

Jesus clearly told us that he has no authority of his own and that he was sent to do, not his will but the will of God the Father. The will of the Father is the salvation of mankind. This is the reason why God the Father (Yahweh) said, "there is no other saviour but me." Jesus is also called saviour because it is God the Father that made him a saviour also known as Messiah by using him to save the world. If God the Father refused to send him, he will not be called a saviour and the world will not be saved through him. So It is only God the Father that can say besides him there is no saviour. It is the will of God the Father, the only true God to save the world not the the will of Jesus Christ as Jesus himself said.

God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is clearly the Father who sent Jesus. So God as saviour in the old testament does not apply to Jesus. LORD does not apply to Jesus also because LORD was used in place of Jehovah, the name of God the Father.

So It is the Father who is the only true saviour and redeemer by his will and he is the one that made Jesus a saviour and redeemer. Without the Father there won't be any saviour of the world. It is still only God the Father who is true saviour and not a trinity God.

Key verses:

Acts 3:13 LSB
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

Isaiah 47:4 AMP
Our Redeemer [will do all this], the LORD of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.

1 Timothy 1:1 AMP
[1] Paul, an apostle (special messenger, personally chosen representative) of Christ Jesus by the commandment of God our Savior, and of Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed) our Hope [the fulfillment of our salvation],

Titus 2:13 LSB
[13] looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Psalms 83:18 HCSB
[18] May they know that You alone — whose name is Yahweh — are the Most High over all the earth.

Psalm 83:18 NLT
Then they will learn that you alone are called the LORD, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over all the earth.

John 17:3 NIV
[3] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

John 10:36 RSV
[36] do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

John 14:26 NIV
[26] But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 12:49 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it.

Luke 22:42 GNT
[42] “Father,” he said, “if you will, take this cup of suffering away from me. Not my will, however, but your will be done"

John 3:16-17 HCSB
[16] “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Acts 13:22-23 RSV
[22] And when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king; of whom he testified and said, ‘I have found in David the son of Jesse a man after my heart, who will do all my will.’ [23] Of this man's posterity God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.


Isaiah 43:11 HCSB
[11] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Acts 2:36 HCSB
[36] “Therefore let all the house of Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah! ”


Image123

Round 3 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Boomark: +5

Final score

Boomark: +15 points

Image123: -5 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


Boomark cleared all the points according to the rules in round 3.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthaG_E0Ijs?si=wadLbZ1TF3Evf604

Round 4 is next.

Emusan


I just read through the Colossians 1:16-18 you posted. I don't need AI to understand it. You are free to make a claim on it so I can bless it with eternal destruction.

Remember to connect to to your trinity.

Good luck.

Emusan

You went against the rule and warning that why you post was removed. This place is meant for discussion


Do you want me to be a spectator or add my own point?

Anyways, since you're using AI, I love that but with all honesty, can you copy any version of the Holy Scripture of Colossians 1:16-18 into your AI and ask it for explanation of it?

Read and understand before you say anything. AI doesn't teach or explain scriptures for us. Go and read the instructions given to it. They are the only things it can do.

If you want to join, you can discuss with image123 and post during his turn. Use the format we are using to make your presentation.

If you like you can use AI to prepare your Claim. I boomark of God will still destroy your claim. So you will know that it is not about AI but the truth in the bible.

Image123:
Okay



There you go again, i said the PHRASE. When you tell AI "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" is not found in the Bible, of course it will say yes, i also say yes. Just like the word Bible is not in the KJV Bible. No one presented such an argument except you so why should i rebut what i never disagreed with? What you probably don't understand is that the computer will say you are right and that i failed to rebut it. That's a joke in the real world. If i come and say something like Image123 is not found seven times in the Bible as my Round X claim, The AI will say i am right and score me points. But it just shows that i'm probably unserious.
As a phrase, "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" is not found in the scriptures. But in meaning, we clearly see in scriptures that the father, the Son and the Spirit are three distinct persons/beings in the Bible. And we see them all called Lord. At least, we both agree that the Son and the Father are two distinct beings and that they are both Lord. If you get this, it's great progress.
Sorry, this your LORD is not the same as Lord is not in my Bible, and we are not using extra sources, remember?



How you went to pick Jesus from another verse, and ignored the Spirit of the Lord in the same verse is beyond me.
[17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.



Calm down please and don't come to conclusions, discussions just started. i am putting it little step by little step, so that readers don't need to struggle with the leap. So please read.



Unbelieveable! i should just believe it like that. That there's one Lord and Jesus is also Lord but Lord is one. You're starting to sound trinitarian, lol.



Thank you. i believe i'm to proceed with the next round/claim, oops. i'll do that now.

Stop mentioning AI. I am not a computer. I took my time last night to analyse what you said by myself and posted at around 12 am in the night. And stop blaming AI for your mistakes and wrong belief. I have seen your mistakes already from what you wrote in round 4 and later you start you start blaming AI for your refusal to obey simple instruction which has been repeated several times to you. I have told to you severally, don't go outside the bible to borrow words. That is how people are fed with falsehood.

That phrase is the reason why trinity is a false doctrine and you don't expect me to ignore it. As in, you want me to ignore the main reason of this challenge/discussion? That is the centre of the falsehood. You don't go outside to borrow words to twist what the Holy spirit has inspired in the bible. The Holy spirit knew all the words we need to use for spiritual matters and reveal all things to us as Christ promised. So if you go outside to borrow anything you are on your own. The things we need are all in the bible.

There is nothing like God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons in the scripture both as a phrase and in meaning. It doesn't explain who the God of Gods is. It doesn't explain who the only true God is. It doesn't explain the fact that 2 persons out of the 3 person have God the Father as their God. It doesn't explain the fact that there is a God who is God over all and he is the Father. So how can you come and Say, "God IS..."
God is not that thing you wrote there. What you wrote is deceitful, a falsehood designed by men, it is not scriptural, it is not spiritual.

This how man-made doctrines are formed. Men decide and form whatever they want from their imagination and connect it to the scripture.

You cannot pick a single verse which never said anything about the Holy spirit and try to force it on the Holy spirit and on people to believe. That is deceit. I showed you with more verses that the passage
2 Corinthians 3:14-17 HCSB is talking about the veil of Moses which will be removed ONLY in Christ. When people turn to Lord (Christ) their veil of Moses is removed. This is talking what happened when people receive Christ. Receiving Christ means they have turned to the Lord and have abandoned law of Moses.

This very simple but trinity made by man blinds people that they cannot even see simple things in the bible. You can no longer understand what is written clearly in black and white because your imagination will be telling you a different thing formulated by man.

The AI results are true to avoid all these long explanations over a simple verse. This explanation was not done by AI but by me. Go and ask your pastor or reverend father if 2 Corinthians 3:14-17 is talking about Christ or the Holy spirit and see what they will tell you. Send it to AI and see what it will tell you. Let everyone do this exercise and see the response.

AI is not the problem. The problem is you and your wrong belief.

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Going by the thread challenge rules, you submitted this rebuttal late, but you and AI forgot, it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond. i don't need the points though, just a side issue. i just need you to slow down and think, and more than winning, learn.

Done

i never said that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons is a phrase found in the scripture. When you deliberately feed that with the quotes to the computer, you have set what you want it to give you. Claim 2's premise is that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Why? Because they are referred to as LORD in a way no other being is. i'm not typing this for AI but for people who read, so kindly leave it for them. You can wait for the rebuttal for AI. In your paragraph here, you agree that Jesus is Lord of Lords. If He is Lord, how is there one Lord if He's not God. Also, i never said that the Holy Spirit is called Lord of lords but LORD. The LORD is that Spirit. This is simple english (My mum is that doctor - The doctor is my mum). The Lord is that Spirit - the Spirit is Lord.
The teaching of the trinity is that the Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. That's the simple point, not skipping to who made them Lord or when they become Lord.

This was where you started failing. Rule 1 said Bible only. How can you say that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons when you knew it not found in the scripture. You wrote it to deceive people and I had to point it out that it falsehood and man-made imagination which not scriptural. So AI knows what it is doing. No scripture the LORD is that spirit. So you have already made a false statement here. Either you are lying or you don't even know that LORD was used to replace Yahweh or Jehovah the name of God the Father. LORD is not the same as Lord.


2 Corinthians 3:14-17 HCSB
[14] but their minds were closed. For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant, the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside only in Christ. [15] Even to this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, [16] but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

See how you people misinterpret the bible and feed people with falsehood. You quoted bible out of context and twisted it to be the Holy spirit. Now I have corrected you with what it should be in the bolded. It says that the veil of Moses is removed only in Christ , so if you turn to the Lord (Jesus is Lord) the veil is removed. The Lord is the spirit. Still taking about Christ. See 1 Corinthians 15:45 below to see that they already know that Jesus is a spirit. See how you are stressing me to interpret bible word for word because of trinity false doctrine. AI also nailed the falsehood. I hope saw how the interpretation flowed smoothly. Connecting everything connectable. Your imagination is no where to be found.

https://bible.com/bible/1588/1co.15.45.AMP
i don't know how you arrived at this obscure explanation that Jesus became a spirit from this passage. God is a Spirit, it's not a contest. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost who are three different beings are Spirit.
This Lord is the Spirit, and it is clear that the Holy Spirit is referred to in the verse as the Lord's Spirit or Spirit of the Lord. The only thing the "Spirit of the Lord" is doing in the verse is obvious, He is the One referenced. i didn't mention anything about King of kings, but specifically on the point that Jesus is Lord of lords, but i guess you needed to feed AI. There is no other being referred to as Lord of lords except God, this was the obvious point.

Without even saying that Jesus Christ is a spirit, that passage is clearly talking about Christ. I have already cleared you above. When you dump trinity you will start seeing clearly. Like me, most times I don't need to verify before I know what is wrong or right because I have aligned with the truth. That's why I said I can easily spot things that are out of point like these things you post. Please leave AI alone. It is doing a wonderful job.

1 Corinthians 15:45 AMP
[45] So it is written [in Scripture], “The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].

Again, you went on to rebut what was never alleged. Nobody said the phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" is found anywhere in the bible. You deliberately fed it into the discussion for AI purposes. This is a typical red herring fallacy. This is simple middle school/senior secondary stuff that AI failed to point out to you. We usually use the terms God the Father or God the Son or God the Spirit to distinguish between the three beings, because they are referred to and function as God in the Bible.

Bible only. You use it to distinguish them as if me that is not using those words don't know the difference between Father, Son and Holy spirit. Stop using from today, it is not biblical. It is used to support false doctrine of trinity. You failed to follow the bible and I have to point the man-made phrases used to deceive people. AI did also.

So you are saying there is one Lord, and He is Jehovah, but somehow Jesus is also Lord, because that is your quote in 1Corinth 8v6. Every other thing is not in contest, you evidently do not understand that the people that teach 'Trinity' believe and teach that God the Father is God over all.

Just believe it like that as the scripture says. God the Father is God over all. You don't need to import anything outside the bible and use it to describe God. Satan and the antichrist are readily available to offer their assistance in anything that will oppose God and Christ Jesus. I have already told you. Go search the meaning of LORD and why it was used to replace the name of God. It is not the same as Lord

You somehow brought up an interpretation from this that Jesus became Spirit and is the Spirit referred to here. It's indirect.

Done

So you have seen that AI is doing a good job in fishing out falsehood and out of point comments. It is not a mistake. I have shown you the out of point and disobedience to rule 1. I will not be awake and see any foreign word that will be used in disguise to describe what is the bible. If that word is not in the bible just throw it away. You don't need it.

Thank you

Image123:
Lol at "how you failed", you really rate computers sha. You don't know that computer is basically GIGO, it is what you feed it. You can't use it to determine spiritual things in the sense.
BTW, i know one or two things about computers but i don't use it in cases like this, but if you insist i can spare time to show you a bit, especially from what i read initially in the other thread about your claims on AI saying that triity is not biblical, It is from satan and the antichrist. Or maybe you inserted that as you were talking about result.
Like we both said AI or computer obeys instructions and algorithm given it, not necessarily truth. So i can't base my faith onit when i have the Word, the Spirit and solid unshakable experience not cunningly deviced.
i suppose the rules are for a purpose, not for excuses? i didn't send you on this AI errand na.

I told you I will analyse it myself as a human AI.
I will also update the score as agreed.

Please ChatGPT AI is not GIGO. It will teach you things you don't even know. Don't even go there.

Spiritual things you are talking about is not what is written in black and white? Is it a spirit? Can't you see them, read them and understand them. The same way AI knows things that off point is the same way I know things that are off point. Things that are out of point are not spiritual things of the scripture. AI only points out things that are out of point and not based in the bible. It is not teaching us bible or spiritual things.

AI didn't teach anything about trinity. See my first thread on trinity since 2016. They never born AI then. Everything is what I learnt from the bible. I don't know where you go that. The saying that Trinity Is from satan and antichrist na me not AI

https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity

What AI does at times is to bring information about trinity from all over the internet because that is what is readily available to it and I will tell it I know the truth. I think it is not yet up to 2 months since I started using it.

Please lets start Round 4 after I finish treating your concern above. I didn't sleep well last night. I'm not supposed to do that because of the need to avoid going in circle. But I want to do it so that you will be convinced. I will post Round 3 result soon.

Image123


I don't like things that involves deceiving people. I will address your concerns and show you by myself how you failed. The AI does it faster than me.

The AI is a computer that process information base on instructions given to it. People use Excel to analyse information and nobody will say it is not accurate because it didn't favour them. You and everyone is free to download it and check for yourselves if it will give you the same response. If you refuse to obey instruction it will fail you in my phone and also fail you in your own phone. it doesn't know who boomark or image123 is. It only sees claim and rebuttal and then analyse information base on the instructions given to it.

I see how people here tell lies, twist the word of God and still insist that they are right. They don't even know when they are wrong. This is what you want to start now so we will continue going in circle. AI will do a better job in telling who and who are not following the rules and those talking out of point. It is not bias like humans.

I told you in round that you are talking out of point before even I used the AI. The same thing with your round 3 rebuttal now. The AI is not dull like humans in analyse information. That's why they produced computer in the first place. You are not following instruction on how to present your rebuttal and key verses but I will post it like that so you don't say the arrangement is the cause.

I told the reason why I posted late. I finished the video and didn't know it can not be posted direct. So looking for solution was what took my time.

Round 2 result

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136306032

Trinity Is just being sustained on lies and people insisting on out of point comments. It is not biblical. It is from satan and the antichrist.

Chibuezem:
I've not seen your definition.

Don't worry about seeing it because you have never been seeing anything before now. Even things that are around you you cannot see.

Chibuezem:
Well My G. O Is Jesus Christ. See how you are living in falsehood. Show me where General overseer is in the Bible 🤣🤣🤣

No. Show me boomark in the bible first.


Its like these are the kind of things you like.

You don't like discussing anything or answering questions from the bible.

FreeIgboho:
See screenshot of my response to you below and please kindly point out the lies.

As for that your challenge, it is fatally flawed because you're trying to arrive at a spiritual answer through carnal analysis. Why not also try to tell us how God can be localized in heaven and at same time be inside you and be everywhere else. You are way too limited to analyze God.
So Jesus' divinity is something that dawns on you as you keep reading the scriptures with an open heart and prayers. It will gradually dawn on you same way it dawned on the apostles and those 300 bishops at Nicea and countless others: this Jewish carpenter is God!

As for you saying "Jehovah" is the name of God. It is actually not. It is a medieval mistake. See below.
There is only one name given to man by which we must be saved: JESUS

My brother if you cannot understand this simple sentence which I have posted severally for you for many days, if means that you cannot even understand the things you are reading. So you are not fit to teach anything whether medieval or "amendieval."

You are not fit to speak on the challenge analysis because ChatGPT is far far beyond someone who cannot understand a simple a 13 word sentence as seen below even after several days. It is 10,000 times more intelligent than you and very fast in seconds. It doesn't take days to look at a simple request and still not understand what was asked.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.


https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

I don't have time to continue going in circles with you people because of lack of understanding. It is possible that everything you believe and know now is falsehood.

You are free to continue believing your 300 bishop of Nicea.

I believe only the word of God.

Chibuezem:
You should bring your G. O. too it will be easy tobreak this bondage of falsehood you've fallen into. We need to attack the source.

You are already seeing a G.O.

What can I do for you? I don't want people that dodge questions like you. So get me a G. O.

You have never imagined the reason you are so scared to answer my question? I am standing on the foundation which is Christ Jesus.

I am G. O Boomark of God

Chibuezem:
Lol but you've refused to define the Trinity sef

Now that I have defined it for you as 666 in that link, you can now flee as usual.

Those who are deluded cannot see far. The truth has been hidden from them for rejecting God and the words of Jesus Christ. They only get revelation from satan.

Oya you can now disappear or you answer my question about what Jesus said which all of you have been dodging.

Don't rejoice whenever you feel I have been trapped. I am standing on a strong tower which is the word of God. You will end up being frustrated like Gabrielshow24 and all trinitarians.

Do not be deceived.

I am Bookmark of God

Round 2 Result is out

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136306032

Trinity Is gone.