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felixomor:
Cant u see u have left this particular topic now?
Your eyes have opened ba?
You saw that you were making assumptions?

Left the topic?

Oga, you have nothing to say. Why is Cobhams still blind? Why didnt the pastor invite him for healing?

felixomor:
Obviously



Where did u see "deserve" in my comment?
I hope English is not also an issue o ?



Please go and read your Bible very well
A part says "Jesus couldnt perform many miracles in his hometown because of their unbelief"
Read!



I am not supporting any pastor here
If u can read
What I find foolish is the way some people use shallow knowledge (a graphics banner in this case) to make judgement.
You dont even know if Cobhams honoured the invitation to start with.

My sister, there is plenty empty assumptions here.
Its called argument from ignorance.

Please show me the bible passage that says that Jesus couldnt perform miracles in his hometown. HMMM!

As for the rest of your comments, we all know the staged miracles that are done in this church.

Ayefele (a crippled musician) performs in many of these churches. The guy still dey crippled.

As for Cobhams, is he not a christian? No pastor has invited him for healing, yet they can invite him to perform. Think about that.

Babacele:
Man overcomes unfriendly elements either in d air ,earth ,water or any environment to create him a better society and also created trade routes. He has one power more potent than the strongest H bomb in the world: the power of his mind. So what is wrong with our collective mind in SSA?

Hold up!

4 decades ago, UAE/Dubai was a desert with nothing. China was also nothing. Were they inferior to the white man who had industrialization centuries ago?

China and UAE were not enslaved by Europeans. Africans were.

Europeans had access to Asia and Middle east. Trade routes. Africa is in a corner- only close to Europe.

felixomor:
What actually makes sense in the post, if I may ask?
So because Cobhams is still blind,
Then it means its a scam?


Please simple questions you may want to answer,
Did Jesus heal everybody ?
Did Paul heal everybody?
Did Peter heal everybody?

Sometimes I wonder what logic u guys use.
Anyways, i am not surprised.

Na so.

So your argument is that not everyone deserves to be healed abi? So much for unconditional love.

Did you read that Jesus rejected people that needed healing in the bible?

Guy, just admit that these pastors are fake miracle workers

ilynem:
So what's your problem with other delusional people? Why does it annoy you that people have chosen to remain delusional?

Like a zombie infestation, the zombies will still kill you even if you are immune to the zombie virus.

I'm immune to the delusion but it doesn't mean that the delusional people will not harm me with discrimination

ilynem:
And this makes you happy, why?

Because I am not a delusional person who expects a dead jewish zombie to give me salvation

felixomor:
Lmao
Sister, pls explain

Ogbeni, you and your brother, kingebuka, have refused to say something on-topic for this thread. Nothing relevant to say because you cant argue with the logic.

The thing dey sweet my body!

Yesterday, I was in a bus on oshodi express. I was jejely enjoying my bus ride speeding down on the expressway until a guy stood up and started preaching.

One could almost feel the annoyance from everybody as soon as the guy started preaching. The guy was unstoppable and he continued preaching about having faith in the lord or some other nonsense like that.

Then all of a sudden, the bus started making funny noises and the bus began to swerve. Everybody in the bus was scared and we were shouting at the driver to drive well. We almost hit another bus but fortunately we avoided it and stopped on the side of the road.

The foolish bus preacher was no where to be found. The guy had already jumped out of the window as soon as the bus stopped, and in the process of jumping out of the window, he stepped on a woman. This is a guy that was talking about strong faith in the lord- he didnt stop and pray, he ran like a coward. Come and see the abuse that he got from other passengeers.

What even sweetened the whole issue was that he wanted to enter the bus and collect his change. The passengers shouted him down. We all came down and the bus driver drove slowly to a nearby mechanic.



cc hahn, hopefullandlord, felixomor, akintom

felixomor:
Did i mention you?
What i quoted was written where?
Is it not here.

Pleas shift.

See as felixomor and kingebukasblog can't make any coherent, on-topic sentence. Patewo for the bad-guy logic!

All your lies have ended today!

Babacele:
so what went wrong that the environment overwhelmed us.....Mos def something fundamental is wrong with us for the man makes the environment and shouldn't be the other way.

Man doesn't make geography.

Trade routes as well.

hopefulLandlord:
The only thing I like about Jehovah's witnesses is the fact that to an outsider like me, all their members are equal

eg, when you think of redeemed, Adeboye pops up in your head

Winners? Oyedepo
Deeper life? Kumuyi
Foursquare? meduoye
Christ Embassy? pastor Chris
and so on

But when you think of JW, no single individual pops up, that makes them special in a good way

The cult elders understand that it is important to keep quiet so that cultish rituals aren't exposed.

TheLogicalMind:
This isn't a question of denial or acceptance. It is purely a question of whether your claims are borne out by evidence and sadly for you, they aren't. That makes YOU, to be the person in denial, not me

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The church going rate in the UK has been dropping constantly over decades.

More and more Americans are now unbelievers.


Be there deceiving yourself

jonbellion:

Kingebukasblog couldn't twist this thread. The logic left him speechless.

TheLogicalMind:
Sorry to burst the atheist bubble, but Christianity isn't on the decline, it is simply undergoing a demographic shift

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18485640_214099992427862_492694676047777269_n.jpg?oh=8b0cb88e998e854e6f1c050b88cd6937&oe=59C00B31

Even in the West, in places like the United States, it is reported that more people identify as Christians now than ever before. They just choose not to align themselves with any of the mainstream Christian denominations (i.e. Catholics, Baptists, Methodists,
Episcopalian etc)

Stop the denial. Christianity is on the decline.

ilynem:
The irony of your post is that Christianity encourages all these. Except the "joining atheist groups" thingy which is equivalent to joining a church!

Every group of like minded individuals should encourage such. Christianity is one group amongst many.

interesting.......

onyenze123:
please pardon my ignorance, who did?

Arab slave traders brought islam to Nigeria.

Colonizers brought Christianity to NIGERIA. The bible was brought to enslave and not to free.

malvisguy212:
don't allow this people to deceive you, when they successfully manipulate you finish, you will become a full blown atheist, before you know it, you will join there team of insulting God. stay away from this people, they are agent of darkness.

Ogbeni, park well. Go preach elsewhere.

hahn:
And still cultists, runs girls, lecturers who collect bribe etc will all attend the service

After the service nothing will change. They will still drink pure water and throw it on the floor, will still accept bribes, will still cheat in exams and many still won't be able to compose simple sentences

Quite sad.

They don't even teach history in Nigeria properly.

Many people think that Usman Dan Fodio brought islam to Nigeria.
Many people think that it was missionaries and charities from Europe that brought christianity to Nigeria.

hahn:
Check

I run my own business and help other start theirs and give free counselling whenever I can. And I have lots of projects laid down. Just waiting to raise enough capital to get started



We already do that on the "Thinkers' Lodge" whatsapp group. I have dropped details somewhere in this thread already



I am active on Facebook although my business, I manage a website, doesn't give me much time but I do have quite a number of foreign atheists as friends. Bill Flavell comes to mind



Hahaha. I remember once during one show on 93.7 with Stephen with the ph, he said something about "what would god do?" when someone was talking about her cheating spouse and I called and said, "why will you use god as an example knowing fully well that he murdered and killed lots of people in the bible" also stating that god is not the right role model to use for such a situation unless he was expecting the woman to burn up her cheating husband since god created hell to burn people who didn't love him. ANd so on and so forth. Lol

Was interesting though



True. I always try to help whenever I can. Nothing feels better than helping someone without expecting anything in return

this is good to know.

Please don't forget to try to be a bit anonymous (seeing that you are active on facebook with your business). I have learnt the hard way that some nigerians are ready to pull others down

malvisguy212:
lies, in my place, many people are. converting to Christianity, many atheists I know including Muslims. just day before yesterday, an evil spirit attack my friend, around 12am, he want out to pee, and he just fall on the ground, the evil spirit make it looks like a simple fall, but he was injure ,very bad injury, they take him to the hospital ( 44 hospital, Nigeria army) normally, hospital and barrack are using the same electricity light, but that night, only the hospital light off, the soldiers on guide on the generator, ( a brand new generator they bought from Germany) but the generator refuse to on, with fervant prayer the generator on, but still the light is
blinking , the roof they just renorvet remove. by his grace we defect the demon. this manifestation of the power of God, many atheists and Muslims give their life to Christ.

you atheists are living spirituality with the SAME dimension with demons, this demons don't want you to believe they exist, they want you to stay in the dark world. I tell you the truth, God exist and Jesus has made Him know to us. I know, many atheists will not believe me, I am telling you the truth, I am a Christian , lying is a sin.

Kindly take your lies with you and run along to your church.

This thread is not for your likes

hahn:
I don't look forward to such things

Our education system is dropping by the minute. But there is always hope

Seriously dropping. i just found out that wednesdays in DELSU (a state university) is a day for praise and worship. Lectures end by 12 or so on that day. A state owned university

teelaw4life:
Closest way i think of myself is a sceptic. I believe in the existence of a supreme being but i do not believe or accept religion.

You sound like a deist

jonbellion:
Yes this is true
I believe we should have a whatsapp group where we can be able to discuss

I heard that there was one already.

Where is the whatsapp group?


cc hahn, hopefullandlord

It is easy to criticize religion and defeat religious arguments but it is another thing to create a change. Our country Nigeria needs change. Talking on nairaland is one thing but making progress in real life is another.


1) Self-improvement and leading by examples.
There is no better way to show people your core beliefs other than leading by example. If you are successful and hardworking, people will emulate you. No one listens to a poor preacher. No one cares if you're an atheist in Nigeria if you're successful. When Mark Zuckerberg came to Nigeria, no one cared that he once put "atheist" as his belief on facebook- Nigerians just wanted to talk and take selfies with him.

2) Networking with other atheists
I have met some other atheists off nairaland and I am glad that I did. Not only do you get to make friends that are on your side, there are business opportunities as well. Also, marriage opportunities, if you are looking for a partner with similar beliefs.

3) Joining foreign (European and American) Humanist/skeptic/atheist groups
One has to think globally nowadays. I hosted a german guy in Nigeria during last christmas. We met on a humanist forum and he was coming to Nigeria but didnt have much contacts in Nigeria. And now, i have a friend to visit anytime i'm in Germany. It is important to make global connections because you never know where life can take you. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR YAHOO MAGA 419. Although foreign currency is powerful nowadays.

4) Getting your views out on other Nigerian media
I once heard someone criticising religion on 96.9 cool FM when listening to the radio. The guy called cool FM and blasted Nigerian pastors as he was angry that a woman died because she went to a church instead of a hospital. The guy caller stated that he does not follow any religion and also blasted the radio host for trying to mock his disbelief. Now, thousands of Nigerians would have heard the guy's complaint on the radio and agree with his logic. You never know who is listening to you. Radio and twitter are great mediums in which one can be protected by anonymity and still reach millions of people.

5) Engaging in NGOs and charities.
Last year, I joined a charity that was working with village children and giving them some education. I got to advice the older youths about watching out for themselves and protecting themselves from slave labour, STDs and superstitious nonsense. One can make little changes in people's lives through charities.

MrMystrO:
I Guess you don't see it from my perspective But it's Fine, We all Have the Right to Our own Views. Either ways Thank you for your Comment.

I understand your perspective. I just find it ridiculous and ruthless.

Profiting on the ignorance of your brethren.

joyandfaith:
your name says it all.

Judging a book by its cover

WRONG.

The last thing Africa needs is religion. No European Christ and No Arab prophet.

Even the comments showcase Africans foolishness.


So sad. If you think your race is intellectually inferior to the white man, please kindly take yourself and your family to the jungle and live with monkeys.



As for the rest of us that accept the fact that we blacks/Africans are as intelligent as other races if not for religion and environmental factors, we will continue to progress.



FYI. At my university, the highest scoring first class students have consistently been africans.

TheEminentLaity:
I agree with you, howbeit the current system of the world leaves such comfortable people as the most vulnerable and trust we would be the easiest to conquer, sadly again. I'm certainly not saying we are not capable but we are currently not showing any signs of being capable going by what is encouraged and met with outrage within our soceity. We do not see education as important. We are still very comfortable, worse still we are the most religious, substituting reality with superstition. So it begs to ask the question the OP asked because what is clearly common sense to others seems like advanced calculus to us.

We have the potential but the environment does not support it.

Do you know that there are many Nigerian scientists in the USA? We have Nigerians in NASA and many tech companies in the USA.

The problem that we are facing right now is bad leadership. As long as we have religious, half baked, starved masses- they will always vote in useless leaders

TheEminentLaity:
I think some people are being very emotional about this. Talking about self-hate and inanities. I love my tribe and my people. I speak my dialect language fluently and I say it isn't as sophisticated as English. You can be more articulate in expression with English than you can ever be with my dialect. I think it's rather insecurity that views objectivity as inferiority. And yes, language is a good indicator of sophistication of a people.

By observation alone, sub-saharan Africa has persistently shown inability to govern themselves. In port harcourt, people drive on other lanes until they are caught by soldiers and whipped. Even highly educated people. Sub-saharan africans have persistently failed to create a functioning soceity. Let's look at Liberia, for example, they were independent since way back and freed slaves settled over there and became the new slave masters and perpetrators of oppresion and discrimination against their own kind. What sort of intelligence would not see how ridiculous that is? Compare this with the new nation of Israel after the holocaust.

Step out from your black skin and observe and write a report about humans like an alien maybe then the topic would be more conceivable. There are always outliers below and above the trend on any race so this is simply talking about averages. If our average intelligence is as high as say Japan, certainly we would have at least good hospitals.

Maybe it is not in the genes, but something has to give. Genetic fingerprinting have shown that we are different. (I'd post the link) I am not caucasian, neither is the oriental an african. It could only be theory, but it makes sense if human life started in Africa then migration led to skills for survival and sadly domination of those that remained.

Ants are one the most sophisticated in terms of organisation, human organisation pales in comparison but that doesn't mean ants are better than humans or humans are inferior to ants.

This is very sensitive because of what powerful people have tried to do with such information but shouldn't this make us more serious with ourselves and existence?

Also consider that Africans carry first class in European and American universities.

The issue is environment. Blacks were the last race to be enslaved.

Necessity is the mother of all inventions. What did the ancient black man lack? He had good weather, fertile land, big booty women, fruits, rivers and spices.

The ancient white man had snow and therefore needed thick houses with proper insulation and fire place. A black man only needed a hut. The white man had 4 seasons to contend with when planting.

There is also the issue of trade. Europe is linked both with the middle East and Asia. While Africa is in a corner to the side of the middle East. Trade brings culture and civilization.


So you see, environment matters.

OtemAtum:
Inter-religious marriage is not supposed to be something impossible. But if the religious are making it impossible for the unbelievers, it isn't a bad thing for the unbelievers to open dating social websites for themselves, find a partner from their and then get married to one another. Until then, unbelievers will continue to be rejected by believing girlfriends and fiance.

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