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Most christian that uses logic to interprete the Word of God at many times fall into heresies and blasphemy. I wnder when spiritually issues and things becomes a source of logical interpretation? Then this is nollifying the Works and definition of faith. Even to the extent of analysing God logically forgetting that Logic is the works of man and can not explain the nature of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
New International Version (©1984)
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
New Living Translation (©2007)
But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

In the past we had depended fully on the Holyspirit for interpretations and understanding of every of God's words and we had also taken issues to God as led by the Holyspirit and gotten speedy results but nowadays we depend on our interpretations according to our believes and human knowledge, boxing God most times to a corner that God can never do this or that. We had also complicated issues to unbelievers by double interpretations of same lines on different issues. I believe that is the reason why we don't get result from the throne of Grace.
Who is to be blamed?

Why do Christians quickly point to some bible revisions as Errors just to support their personal interpretations and neglect other verses in the same revision that doesnt support other lines?
So is it the Revision or the Interpretations of these Christians that shoud be put under Scrutiny, since as christians? We believe that all scrpitures are from God and some of this revisions had not added extra verses or chapters to them just revision for easy comprehension and reasoning.

Who makes the interpretation and the understanding of the Scrpitures easy? Is it the revision or the Holyspirit.
Although so many christians that we are aware of on this forum had ridicled the work of the holyspirit forgeting that the Holyspirit gives exact interpretation and understanding of God's works according to His intents, motives and situations at that time in relation to the situation of man at present, thereby giving their own ambiguous interpretation and nolifying the original contents to satisfy their personal intents.

To me I believe Man's interpretation had done more harvoc because of their motive(leading to blasphemy annd heresies) than the intent and interpretation of the Holyspirit.

What is your take on this?

frosbel: God as in GOD and Jesus Christ as a god.

Blasphemer please show me in the bible where Jesus was refered to as god (small g)

Are you dissociating yourself from the topic you posted, O my God? I think I am in the wrong session, but wait are you saying all what you put down has nothing to do with your personal conviction and your personal faith? My Lord my savior.

So How do you come about, that He is not a person when you know less of him just what you read? Definitely you know nothing about Him and you are spitting out this nonsenceand blasphemy against him, You vest my spirit.

Bro, You do not know God at all, quote me, I am quoteable...... Check what you professed and recieved. You must have recieved something else i am sure of that.

I employ the Good christians not to respond to this Guy again. I beseech you by the mercies of the Lord

frosbel: Nothing to do with you , between me and my GOD.

I owe you no explanations about my life.

I believe its an experience to share bro, So how do you want to convince me if I were an unbeliver, of an experience you would want me to feel. Its nothing to hide its not a secrete affair bro.

frosbel: I had an extra ordinary encounter with God while an undergraduate at university, it was sudden, precise and created a major change in my life.

In other words the things I did before I do them no more.

I have also spoken in tongues FYI and being baptised by water immersion.

Please break it down for me dear friend what you mean by " I had an extra ordinary encounter with God".

What are the changes and How did it happen? I would also like to know.

@ Frosbel

Have you received the Holyspirit, after salvation and what as being your personal experience? Just feel like knowing

I believe there are so many things about God you can't understand through human knowledge, logic or even Biblical permutations. But when you open your heart and pray for the fresh infilling of the Holyspirit you get inspirations from the throne of Grace.
Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Dont let us depend on our own understanding.

frosbel: God's Spirit is not seperate from God himself.

God's Spirit is GOD's influence, Power in the universe / world.

They are not TWO.

If God is a Spirit and the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit then we have 2 Spirits , right Also our Lord Jesus is a life giving Spirit , so that makes 3 Spirits now


Put that catholic doctrine behind you bro .

I end my debate here !

You have just identified and went to the Line of the Eckist by saying" God's Spirit is GOD's influence, Power in the universe " you can only add FORCE to yours

frosbel: Well then join the catholic church because they started this heresy

Peace bro !

Even if they started it, My lecturer inspired me to know the truth

frosbel: You can add the Trinity to the list of heresies your catholic church preaches.!!

I am not a catholic member I am a student under the Holyspirit studying the Word of God from the department of Born Again.

You have not answered the question? Okay an illustration,You are a Project Manager and you have your plans. You need to execute them with Resources, Tools and equipment. You were asked, what type of resources do you need and where will you get them from.
You answered and said from my PLAN. The human resources exist in my plan and I will source for him in my plan. They have never existed before they only exist in my plan.
If you are a client will you give the Job to me?

SO from your BIBLE any revision and Version. Where was JESUS and What was He doing before GOD's and doing GOD's PLAN.

And who said this words:

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”

frosbel: You are the one Sir, dancing in circles with your ambiguous questions.


Again , before manifestation , Jesus Christ existed in the plan of God for our salvation, he did not exist as an independent person or a second member of the trinity.

As an Independent person..... I cant laugh again oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Independent national electorial commission. It was in your Bible that He existed as an Independent official. O God have mercy. Look at yourself just listen to what is coming out from you. This is heresy. I know you can't answer that. You cant

frosbel: Jesus Christ as a Person in bodily form did not exist before his manifestation as the Son of GOD.

Then he existed as what? Or was created from what to put it in simple form or what was him beform His manifestation? We have not infact answered the first question but still dancing in cycle.

frosbel: Jesus Christ did not exist as a Man but as a Plan in the mind of GOD through the promise of his WORD , for the salvation of Mankind.

At the right time, this WORD was made flesh and the promise fulfilled.

Okay i know as a plan, where was HE and what was He doing before the Plan was to be executed? I need you to straightened this question before we move to the next one please

frosbel: "He was chosen before the creation of the world , but was revealed in these last times for your sake." - 1 Peter 1:20

God through his WORD had chosen Christ for our salvation even more he came in person to die for our sins.


So before Abraham I am , is a valid representation of fact. And by the way God's name is not I AM , it is Yahweh.


Just as God's word says he chose us before the foundation of the world.


"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love" - Ephesians 1:4

You have not answered my question, He existed as what?

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”

frosbel: The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.


Another example


Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. (NIV)

1 Peter 1:18-20 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. (NIV)

What do you mean as he existed in the mind of God? And as what?

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

If he was 100% man then how come he existed before abraham that was long dead before his arrival.

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frosbel: So when you cannot argue the points case by case , you rush off to a site or any site for that matter to look for an article that will label him as a false prophet

Why do you find it so hard to argue your case point by point backed up by scripture, why must you always reply on others through cartoons, pictures and articles to do your thinking for you ?

Let me help you a little bit.

Remember God was in Christ reconciling the world back to himself.

"that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." - 2 Corinthians 5:19

Jesus Christ was 100% full man and not GOD
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Yahweh cannot be tempted, Yahweh cannot die, Yahweh does not say that the father is greater than he, Yahweh does not eat, drink or sleep.

Mate you are jealously holding unto false doctrine.

One thing I do and which God has blessed me with is to examine all church doctrine in the light of scripture.

During this process I have found out that what the majority of apostate christianity believe in largley unscriptural , such as :

1. Immortal Soul
2. Eternal Hell
3. souls in heaven or hell at death
4. Trinity
5. Tithing
6. rapture

etc etc

Read your bible and humbly ask God for wisdom, that is what I do almost everyday and the traditions of men have been totally destroyed from before my very eyes, praise be to Yahweh our eternal father, saviour and redeemer.

With this comment of yours I can say 2 tim 3:15

Fellow nobody has divided God in 3 but only you. God is God and can exhibit Himself in any form beyond human understanding and comprehension. You can't just use human knowlegde to explain spiritual things.You can not say God can't come in the form of a Man to achieve His aim as recorded in the sciptures, and also in the human form exhibit all form of human
1 corthin 2:10-15

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man

You call it anyname, trinity or not. The facts still remains as, God came down in Human form- a mystery you can not unravel, (beyond science it was not artificail insemination or tube inplant), choose to pray as a man- a mystery you can not unravel by human knowledge,and choose to die and ressurect- a mystery science and logic will instead unravel will deniel.
All this mysteries can only be explained and thought by the spirit of God

@ Frosbel,

I always thought you are a real christian but didnt know you are not one at all, from your responses.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 Timothy 3:16)

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit." "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), and was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness" (Romans 1:4).

Why did the bible refered to the "The mystery of godliness"- The mystery word what does it trying to explain?
Who is the God that became flesh?
Who was the one that preached to the Gentiles?

When christians begin to say King james version or other version is incorrect. Know for sure and authoritatively they dont have the indwelling of the holyspirit and does not depend on Him for inspiration and teaching of the wordsGod but they are of the letters and depend solely on human thoughts and logical interpretations.
And never say the Bible was given by Roman catholic. It seems your conversion is questionable .

FMK: you Xcians and muslims always talk about heaven just tell me at what part of the universe that heaven is situated

What country do you come from in your mother's womb? sorry to be sarcastic

Whaaaooooo if this lies is working for me I will rather stick to the lies rather than the truth told by a liar that hasnt worked.

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]Wait a sec. . .who took the pictures??!

I mean someone just happened to take a picture of the woman with the deceased moments before he became deceased??!

Hmmmmm, something ain't right.https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif[/quote]Hmmn! could there be a conspiracy theorem of someone trying to set a murder up against the slained man?

Thank God for her, this is the way innocent people are robed in unjustly in this nation. This is to point out again that Lasma is a den of untrustworthy and questionable people

lacasa: ​ so​ the west says.


Mtcheeeeu!!

Afterall, they r d same people who go arnd giving them these weapons n bombs ϯo kill people

Who is funding syrian, somalian, chechnian rebels, bokoharam etc Same west.

They funded ojukwu as ϯo fight Nigeria as well.

They Say one thing anϑ practice another.

Even the Boko nonsense in nigeria, tђere is suspicion they αve a hand in it.

So​, they can all go ϯo hell fσr all i care

If you dont have something reasonable to comment just read and close.
The blaming game you played since 1960s and 1970s is what you are still playing.
The west this and that..............they are responsible for your drainage problem in your house too.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Cor 3:13-15

Basically, The question presented here is if we are saved by God's grace, why then are our works tested at all. Why are we rewarded for works too. Shouldn't grace just be the common denominator irrespective of works?

My offhanded explanation is that God is madly in love with us so that even after He gives us grace we don't deserve, He rewards us for works on top.
Crazy Crazy Love by a Crazy Crazy God. God is just too much.

(blasphemy alert: please note that 'crazy' here is used in a good way)

Now that I have shown my excitement, let us now seriously use the scripture to ponder over it. I await your insights on the matter.

P/s: The Bible is the final authority on this Issue.[/quote]I think i like this, but I believe for us to have an indepth understanding we need to probe further into the;

1. The origin of Grace
2. The need of man for Grace
3. The Workings, cost and advantage of Grace
4. The Origin of works
5. The working of Works before Grace
6. The limitation of Works
7. Why we need Grace than works, or do we need the two together, or Can Grace absolutely take the place of Works?

This is the way I enjoy studying the Word of God, and i will be privilegde to learn from the carriers of God's word

Thanks

tintingz: My topic is not abt Mary(as) history I mean the report of Jesus(as) life time his gospel written by Mary. . .simple

You should also ask for Joseph's, pilate, thomas, Bartholomew, Judas, simon, john the baptist etc writings.