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Logic Mind: does a cactus have a brain or a heart or do you think plants are not alive?

Does being an atheist drain you of logical reasoning and emotions?
We are talking of human being you are talking of plants.

Does a foetus has a heart, does it has a brain ( no matter how small) and blood?

These are part of what forms a life.

lekkie073: the rain poured for forty days and the whole earth was covered with water! It can be argued that the whole world was not known then since america as a continent was discovered circa1492. This makes the story of the flood doubtful. The flood may have actually covered the entire mesopotamia where naoh lived. Another point to note is that Moses wrote about the flood. His source? Christians will say God revealed to him....his actual source was the royal egyptian library which moses was opportuned to have access to. Moses goingthrough the library came across the story of the flood in a scroll titled 'the epic of gilgamesh' which was the oldest known document that made reference to a great flood encompassing the whole mesopotamia. Moses doctored this document and rewrote it since no plagiarist laws formally existed those days.

What happened to the original copy since it was a library and library keeps more than one copies? Who was the writer of the epic of Gilgamesh? How did you know that the writer's writing were the truth of the happenings?

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Man chooses the side of history he wishes to believe in. Histories were read by men because they were written by men. So you choose the one that suits you and not condemn the one that you feel that does not go well with you as you were not there when these men were writing their stories

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Man chooses the side of history he wishes to believe in. Histories are read by man because they were written by man. So you choose the one that suits you and not condemn the one that you feel its wrong as you were not there when these man were writing there stories

Heaven is throwing stones at us for crimes against humanity . And also giving us ice blocks to preserve our foods because of light problems

Only in advanced and civilized countries will see people indicted in fraud and scam resigning their appointments for independent and transparent investigation and trail, but in Nigeria they will be given an honorary award and appointment and we say Transparent International is wrong.

We are at cross road in the history of this nation where the tunnel has no end and the hope of seeing the light is like a candle stick lite under the ocean. What has brought us here? Why are we here? Why are we comfortable in this state of pendulum swinging forth and back without progress. Our leaders preach and teaches us to make sacrifices that has sweated pains, anguish and blood from us while they sit stylishly and comfortably eating the seed, grain and all the harvest meant for children, laborers et al. Some still make excuses for the inadequacies of our government despite not showing remorse at all. Ah! I shed tears for this sinking giant that was once the boost of many like the great titanic. Goodluck!, Goodluck!!, Goodluck!!!. Are you a curse or a blessing? Are you a canker-worm or fertilizer? Are you the rain or drought that has brought tears to every homes?

Light
Transportation
Agriculture
Finance
Road/infrastructure/ ammenities were those we only enjoy when reading them on the pages of foreign magazines. Our children has accepted Nigeria's failure as a normal thing in life. What a pathetic story of a promising child.

ijawkid: @goshen...
Jesus wasn't rich materially,but spiritually....

Infact we could say Jesus had notin materially....

He never rode on chariots,never had d best of dresses or gowns......

Apart frm d house he grew up from,Jesus never had a house of his own....

And for Jesus to tell that rich man to sell his possessions,showed how much Jesus viewd wealth.....

Jesus also lived a simple life,never wanting to put burden on any1....sometin we wanna learn as christians.....

Jesus knew his kingdom was no part of this world,so he knew acquiring and heaping wealth will be total waste of time,and so he told us to store up our treasures in heaven not in zenith,and gtb bank...lol..

Jesus encouraged hard work but dis-couraged an ambituous spirit to be rich,that he taught us when he gave d illustration of that rich man who tore down his former store house to build new bigger ones,forgetin that an end was imminent......

As christians our balanced view and prayers to God should be the 1 recorded @ proverbs 30:7-9...

The truth is many christians today are taught to believe that they can pray to God for wealth /riches but I can confidently say from d scriptures that God doesn't listen to such prayers....
God listens to heartfelt prayers like the one recorded in proverbs,and that is exactly what Jesus was when on earth..he was neither rich nor poor materially.....

Jesus told us to ask for daily bread,not wealth or yearly bread...Jesus was teaching us contentment....

1timothy 6:9-10 helps us see we should nt be determined to get rich,because when we do we certainly will get into trouble...

Contentment shuld be our password because we knw d world is and will pass away and its desires but he that does d will of God remains forever

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Xpecting your reply? I am out from here. But will respond later. Thanks dear friend

First do you really know what brought about the laws that was giving to man by God? I was worst than an atheist before I think i had made you know before.

logicboy: 1) A mother dreaming about her son

Science- this is normal, we dream about things and people we think about plus other abstract things.

2) A mother dreaming about her son having difficult times when the son is actually having a difficult time.

Science- very easy coincidence. Everyone has problems. If your mom dreams about you having problems, no surprise.

I like you so much LOL. So you have not proven to me 1. How the man in the dream came with the candle in the dream calling my name and I didn't answer? 2. Why was it at that particular period? Coincidence? Explain the second principle of coincidence as relates to dreams and science?
3. The Voice in her dream where did it come from and why related to me at that particular moment I needed help?

Thank you but answer my question first so that we can move forward? I enjoy our discussion based on clean and polite words, i respect you for that sincerely.

Pls Logic boy, i am waiting

logicboy: Yes, I understand the laws of the old testament very well as a christian. Stop dodging and answer the question

I will never dodge your questions but for me to let you understand i need to erase some preconceived notion.
I asked you a question because you made me believe that you were once a christian before.

The laws and commandments were giving to man for a definite purpose and something critical brought it because God didn't want to. Have you really wondered why will God Create his people out or love and yet will try to destroy them?

logicboy: Thanks for clearing that up.

However, you keep deuding yourself that atheists pick bible quote out of context. Your forget that many atheists were once christians who have read the bible back to back. Furthermore, it is a typical excuse of people who have been caught with bad quotes to claim that their words were taken out of context.

Please, can you explain how in any situation the quote I gave you (Deut 22; 28-29) is not evil?

First do you really know what brought about the laws that was giving to man by God? I was worst than an atheist before I think i had made you know before.

logicboy: 1) Are you accepting that there are errors in the bible, with regards to the bold part?

2) How does finding scrolls prove that the bible is factual?

3) There are quotes from the bible that evil, no matter the interpretation. For example can you interprete this in a good way;

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Even my tribe in Nigeria befire christianity came, the punishment for rape is public execution. No marriage clause.

What I meant is this, "if for all intentions you continue for the next 1000years to investigate only trying to read and pick errors not to understand first" then you will never get the message right.

Archaeology findings helps us to know and understand events and time and the authenticity of our beliefs as it relates to history and modern world

I will continue to tell you, read yourself to understand and understand. Acid is a volatile substance yet finds its usefulness in various applications in our lives. Don't read with a preconceived notion.

Roman 10: 9-15

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10[b]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.[/b]

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Many only confessed with their mouths but not truly coming from their hearts, they denial the works of righteousness which is an important product of salvation. They speak heresies and doctrines not embedded in the words of God, but yet call themselves Christians.

Romans 10: 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

1 Tim 1:6-11, 19-20

Joagbaje: @ OP
After death, what comes nexti is judgement .

[Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Thank you

logicboy: Rubbish. Cognitive bias.


We all want explanation for things and since you believe in the magical stories of the bible, you accept magical explanation for your experiences.

Lets be honest to ourselves.

So give me a scientific explanation. I am waiting.

All archaeology findings up to the scrolls written at the mount of patmos has pointed to the inherent, infallibility of the bible. You always debunk the bible with writings of people's postings and articles like you picking and misinterpreting the words of the bible. The bible can not be understood by a preconceived mind that has only come to pick errors. This were words breathe by the spirit of God and can only be understood by the spirit. You will continue to investigate, read and pick errors even for the next 1000 years , I bet you, you will never understand. So you will either live them like that or you pray for the spirit of God to interpret them to you, because he will give you answers we too can not give you.

Joagbaje: That's when some get offended when asked about their salvation , they say " we can't be sure until we get there"( heaven)

Agreed Joagbaje, That its the reason why the salvation of some people are still questionable because they don't understand or are not genuinely saved, which has caused a lot of decay to the faith, even has Paul pointed out to Timothy when living for Macedonia.

mkmyers45: Be quiet...who told you apes dont have a language of communication? They think and are very intelligent but it has limitations..even human intelligence has a limit. Arent u using something from a racist scientist?

You have just short yourself in the leg. So you know we are limited. LOL

ijawkid: @goshen...my bro u also got it wrong...

If d holy spirit gave those prophets d visions and so they shuldnt be able to see d holyspirit when ever that vision of heaven is given to them then u got it real wrong...
You think that spirit is confined to a place or space

Let me ask u this..

Was it not Jesus who gave John the revelations he saw and penned down??

But how come was john still able to see Jesus standing close to Yahweh??
And where was d holy spirit

Remember u guys have d full job to show d holy spirit is much as a person as Yahweh and Jesus is to complete d trinity formula...

And these visions are showing us something contrary.....

Don't blame me for asking these questions always...

I am so sure like I told u that d trinity was adopted in d 3rd century and I'm so sure of its source...

And I know some of d verses of d scriptures has been toyed with over time to enforce d trinity...

So many faults wit d dogma....

And so many have to resolve to using science or spirit,soul and body like u do to explain it..lol


But remember whenever 1 dies,he dies along with all the 3 things u have said make up a man...both his soul,body and spirit or thoughts die completely..

But when Jesus died,Yahweh was very much still alife....infact he was the one who ressurected Jesus if not Jesus would have stayed in d grave far longer than that...

Why are you so sure in what other people put down and you decided to throw out other explanations with a closed heart. That is, no matter the evidences put forward, your belief is what you want to believe in. You have not come to know as your post seems to sound, but you have come to refute and make every evidences put before you fake. Before we were born, so many generation had tried to twist and distort the fact, some even with wrong interpretation, but the truth will always stand no matter the trials. Goshen360 had given you a detailed analogy and explanation has recorded in the Bible, you either accept it all live it.And wait until God himself explains to you.

logicboy: God doesnt exist. Even yo can not describe God. The vacuum that you claimed to have is fear of the uncertain because there is no God.

What i experienced my dear friend was not fear. Can you fill fear? Okay if it fear read the remaining experience.

I believed I wasn't just created to live this life the way several people had lived, some their impact felt and some just went like that. There must be a definite purpose to my life that I have not yet discovered, or maybe it's only me, well I just knew there is a purpose to this life and for me to know I must find the "thing" that started life.
I had forgotten this thought until one night, it was heavy on me I was disturbed in my heart and began to shed tears in the sincerity of my heart.
Something happened that day that changed the course of my belief. My mother came to my place the next morning before going to work, she said she had a dream that I was in a thick darkness, looking for my way and I was beating about in the darkness, and when I couldn’t find my way out, I became tired and was giving up. She said she saw a man with a candle coming to help me out of the dark, the man was calling my name, but I couldn’t hear him. She said she woke up from the dream she began to pray, and she said God told her to come and pray for me. I shivered I couldn't believed it because nobody in this world knew what I went through the night. I am telling you Nairaland nobody, I repeat nobody knew it. How could God knew what I went through despite my unbelief in his existence. I broke down I sobbed like a child, my mother was crying with me though she didn’t understand why I was crying. From that day I believed in him, and I am very happy I did. I am telling you, to me then what happened was just like a, i cant just explain it.

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I am sorry i will get back to you soon. One of my boss just died last night, i got the message when i was typing.

I spent all night thinking about you logicboy, about some one that had made up his mind and hardened is heart against his creator that knew him even before his mother conceived him. I wouldn't feel surprised because many of us had passed that stage and experience in life. I came to a point in my life where I will argue and stubbornly refute anything about God, creation, process, life, evolution etc. because i was a strong believer in COINCIDENCE. That life is not real and everything happens out of coincidence and things just happened not that they were planned but it just happened out of no where and the trend will continue and in a circle. I was living Good and happy at my life, i was careful about people i moved with, how i talked, what i eat so that i wouldn't be trapped in the circle of coincidence of the negative sphere. But all this never filled the vacuum inside me. I believe there was more to life than what no man can imagine or explain...my principle of life and coincidence can not and couldn't explain.
I will continue with my real life experience. I don't want to post a long line, am telling you every words I put down are real.

Why are you always creating treads that is anti-God? Why are you fighting with someone you don't believe in and exists. You have said it on numerous occasions that you don't believe in creation, then live it at that. Create treads that will add value to life since you always believe that is what atheist are known for(am yet to one of your tread). And droop your immature arguments

WHY DO YOU LIKE TELLING LIES

THE BOY IS NOT INTELLIGENT AT ALL. YOU ARE USING A HALF BAKED INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW DID'T AND CAN NOT GIVE ALL ACCOUNTS OF ORIGIN TO DEBUNK ANOTHER FACT. IS THAT NOT ABSURD

davidylan: Oh dear, this guy just posts like a petulant 2 yr old.
The fact that tiktaalik has been exposed as a fraud is enough reason to scientifically question the veracity of these spurious claims you have on video. As a scientist you shld know that a youtube video does not a fact make. Please post the scientific papers justifying your claims.

Just 2 examples of former human "transitional" fossils that have been exposed to be frauds - Lucy, piltdown man e.t.c.

Pls read before exposing yourself for a fool.

i ONCE TOLD HIM, HE THINKS LIKE A SUCKLING, YOU JUST CONFIRMED IT AGAIN LOL.