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Goshen360: ^ How about this?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2

The "scriptures" is THINGS OF GOD AND SPIRITUAL ISSUES are written therein, we have one of the Apostles "REASONING" the scriptures. What say ye to this?

As supposed you should know better than this "Reasoned out with them through the understanding of the Holyspirit of what was written in the scriptures." Was paul not led by the spirit of God?

Colossians 3:16, Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

Goshen360: What does it mean to WALK in the Spirit? How can we being PHYSICAL being walk in the SPIRIT? When we know it actually means to WALK IN THE SPIRIT, then we will understand what that scripture means. Kindly tell us what it means to walk in the Spirit.

LOL. Colossians 3:16, Ephesians 5:18-20, Romans 8:14 When you walk in the spirit, you are led in the spirit

Goshen360: We are NOT putting away the place of the Holy Spirit. Go through my responses again. We have the Holy Spirit to "REASON" with for God said, Come, Let us "reason" together. We reason together with God BY THE HOLY SPIRIT in US in spiritual matters and things of our daily living.

Then what is it to use our BRAIN to reason out the things of God?

Goshen360: God doesn't suspend our HUMAN REASONING when we approach him. You're making it sound as it we are on another planet when we talk the things of God or that we leave our physical realm when we deal with the Spiritual matters. NO! The Holy Ghost uses our RE-GENERATED mind to REASON and THINK through the things of God. That's not just using OUR HUMAN KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ALONE - We WORK WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

We are on the same page on this. God those not suspend out thoughts, eyes, mouth and hands but if we dont allow him and we dont subject and motify our members we are prone to error. Col 2:5

Goshen360: Those who exercise their mind and engage their reasoning faculty also understand the place of FAITH. If defiles human understand and logic. We understand that also from scriptures. There's a place for 'reasoning' and there is also a higher place for 'faith in God' to which we are called.

18Even when there was no reason for hope, Abraham kept hoping—believing that he would become the father of many nations. For God had said to him, “That’s how many descendants you will have!”e 19And Abraham’s faith did not weaken, even though, at about 100 years of age, he figured his body was as good as dead—and so was Sarah’s womb. 20Abraham never wavered in believing God’s promise. In fact, his faith grew stronger, and in this he brought glory to God. 21He was fully convinced that God is able to do whatever he promises. << Romans 4 >> New Living Translation

Wrong, using Human knowledge and understanding are completely different from Faith. They are two different things that can not meet. Your human brain tells you that it has never happen and can never work.

Goshen360: You're still mixing things up. Human reasoning VS Holy Ghost reasoning in the word of God? Two different things. Again, those who reason the scriptures CLEARLY understand the place of FAITH and when to reason. That's where there maturity in handling the word comes to play a role. When you see your brother going hungry, do you still need to Holy Spirit to tell you to give him food...'if' you have more to spare to him? Human reasoning by their regenerated mind is permitted in the things of God and spiritual matters and that doesn't throw faith into the trash.

Again, when Eve 'reasoned' with the serpent, haven't we\you learnt from that already? Maybe when you answer that question up there about what it actually means to walk in the spirit, you will understand we, in this age and dispensation are more blessed than Eve was.

Those not led by the spirit of God are still under the same reasoning level as Eve and are using their "Brains" (human knowledge)and can not operate under the knowlwdge and workings of faith (spiritual things). Call it anything, YOU CAN NOT REASON OUT THE WORD OF GOD with your human understanding because it will always give room to personal doctrines and heresy like the one we always witness on this forum. If you are in spirit, you walk and you'r led by the spirit of God, your thoughts, words becomes under the subjection of the lord everytime.Col 2:2

There are no two ways to it.

Goshen360: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But solid food is for those who are ·grown up [mature]. They are mature enough [who through practice/exercise have trained their faculties/senses] to know the difference between good and evil.

Hebrews 5:14

This verse is used as an example to likened physical growth when it involves teaching and maturity in the things of God not in the context of asking you to use your human knowledge and reasoning in matters involving SPIRITUAL ISSUES & DISCERNMENT, thoughts, understanding and knowledge of the things of GOD.
Spiritual matters are utterly different from Physical principles and what Governs it. We can only discern and reason out physical things through our human knowledge, understanding and from experiences, which are not in-depth and can only be from the minimum surface.
Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusted against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
While it is appropriate and expedient for everyman to be in the spirit at ALL times to easily discern the antics of men and of the devil there is also a place to use our brain and reasoning on some issues of life which we must declare that it is VERY LIMITED and will not see far.
The bible says in John 14: 26-
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
If the place of the Holy Spirit is to teach ALL THINGS and BRING ALL things to our remembrance ( through spiritual reasoning), then what we need to do as men led by the spirit is to turn our spiritual antenna to the frequency of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Our reasoning should be of the spirit of God not of our HUMAN knowledge and understanding.
Then what can we say of FAITH if we tend to limit our reasoning to the knowledge of what we feel, see, think and touch. Then the message of faith will be contestable only on the context of physical and mental reasoning which is normal to every man born of flesh.
Heb 11:1(NLT) -Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
(ISV)Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.
So when God told Moses to raise is Rod, He had a choice to either see by his spiritual eyes driven by faith or by his physical eyes driven by reasoning and tell God this is never possible.

When Christ told the Centurion in Matt 8:5-13, He had a choice to either see by his spiritual eyes driven by faith or by his physical eyes driven by reasoning or tell Christ this is never possible.
So our human reasoning is good but will always create more problems rather than solution for us especially in spiritual issues and as well physical e.g. Eve reasoned with the serpent and our spiritual understanding till date as being corrupted but thanks to salvation and redemption.

frosbel: Let us use our brains for a moment.

If this was speaking of a literal person burning in a place called HELL, can you kindly tell me how a soul can have a body complete with hands to touch and tongue to taste ?

Jesus made this statement:

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." - Luke 24:39

Going back to Genesis, we know from the manufacture of the product which is called man, that there were only 2 ingredients involved , Dust and Breath of life. The dust was formed into a body while the breath of life gave life to that body. So I am a bit perplexed as to what Body is burning in HELL when the body has returned to Dust.

A MAN has ONE body not THREE bodies ( spirit, soul and body ) , and this body is animated with the breath of life into a living soul , but becomes a dead body when the breath of life returns back to GOD.

I am really confused at your inability to grasp simple logic with regard to this point.

Solomon , Job and David said that when a person dies, their body returns to the dust and God takes their breath away or in the case of Solomon the spirit returns to GOD. So what exactly is in hell under torment ?

You cannot hinge a doctrine on ONLY one scripture, this is poor bible study and borders on dishonesty.

I leave you guys with your tradition and error but will continue to help others gain freedom.

Tell me was christ telling lies with his illustration?

ijawkid: And I have asked y'all to tell us what that parable teaches....remember when Jesus gives a parable he drives home a point to his listeners...what point was Jesus trying to butress when he gave the parable of the rich man and lazaruz??.....was it that all bad people go to burn somewhere and then all the good guys go to heaven(as we know nobody has even answered if abraham was or is in heaven).......??.......

I want just one hell fire proponent to tell me the lesson from that real life event so to speak(parable from the scriptures).......

Go throuh Luke 16: 19-31 and see what Jesus was trying to pass across

ooman: Will take that under advisement. But that is the message i want to pass. I think that the truth should be said no matter how it would be taken by people.

The Yorubas also say that the truth is bitter and that is true.

I think that religions and God are frauds.

I put it to you, that you are a fraud....

1. Why did you come to this world when you know you will still die and leave this world?
2. Why do you long for material things when you know you will leave them behind when you die?
3. Why did you choose to be a black man in Nigeria when you have all the choices in this world?

frosbel: Jesus was telling Parables from chapter 15 to chapter 16 gents , stop deceiving yourselves.

In Chapter 15 we had the The Parable of the Lost Sheep , The Parable of the Lost Coin , The Parable of the Lost Son and then in Chapter 16 we had the The Parable of the Shrewd Manager and the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

They were all Parables, the explanation has been provided , but your church tradition , creeds and even fear of your leaders has blinded you to the truth.

This is not church tradition, this is simple Biblical explanation. Why will Christ be making an illustration of what was not real or what He just framed up and lied about all the characters and events? What you are literally saying is that Christ is a pathological liar.

Read all His parables again and remove the cloak from your heart you will see.

true2god: Hi frosbel, i really appreciate your research. As a matter of fact the issue of hell fire as taught by Jesus has generated so much debate and argument. However if we take a more cursory look at the scripture it seems christ is the only one that taught about hell in length and details. Jesus described hell....1.) a place of outer darkness, 2) a place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, 3)a place where the fire is not quench, 4) a place where the worms do not die,5) a place prepared for the devil and his angel. I dnt think all thiese are symbolic if you go through the passages of the scripture where christ warned against hell. Now back to this story, the bible never called it a parable. This is the only case where Jesus mentioned a person name throughout his message. He talked about the state of two people that once lived on earth. Both of them died and the condition of their lives after death was analyse. First Lazarus. We dnt have much information on hw he lived his life. But christ explained he was conforted after death. He was carried into Abraham bussom. Simmply a place of comfort after the death of the righteos. Lets not try confuse things here to make the information irrelevant. And thats the hope of the righteos because if a righteous man suffer and die here on earth without any hope of a better life after death that means that christianity is useless. On the case of the rich man, christ said in hell he lifted up his head being in torment. It means that he was fully concious after death. He remembered he still have family he left behind on earth, he asked lazarus to be sent back to earth to warn his family of the danger of coming to hell after death. Frosbel maybe you should go back to all the teachings of Jesus on hell then you can come back and post. You may not agree with christ on this but dnt twist his word here pls. Go and read ur bible again pls and dnt let any person giv u a wrong view of christ teachings.

Well coordinated thought and write-up. Permit me to add that against views of many on the believe that Christ was giving a parable or just an illustration. Then we may be force to believe that His narration was basically founded on "LIES" because the narration called the Subjects by Names and also relating to names that had Pre-exited before Christ came to the world.

ON the second note. We must be forced to believe if Rev 1:18 is true and if he conveniently after death went to defeat the enemy then I believe He knew what He was saying and telling them what He knew and they dont know happened.

The question is then, if we want to probe into this issue with an open heart, why will Jesus told a lie to drive in His points when nothing like Hell, Abraham's bossom, the boundary exist? Why will he also lied against Moses and the prophets?

In Conclusion. I strongly believe if He was even making a Parable, it was a parable of what has happened or can happen because throughout all his parable, He talked about what can happen to illustrate and drive in His points.

How can you make or use an ambigous illustration to drive in a simple point or better put why will Christ use what they dont know to illustrate what they failed to comprehend in the first place.

My submission, it was not a parable or mere illustration but an event Christ knew about that was not known to any man.

Take a look at it again, it was a life and first hand narration of an event experienced by the narrator.

Goshen360: I honestly do not think of anywhere in scripture for now but where it happens or happened in the Torah, the penalty is for them to be married or pay dowry, not death by stoning. But I'm not a man of the Torah like I said earlier because I believe the Torah ONLY applies to national Israel and not to Christians

@ Goshen why are you so sturbborn and not readily opened to corrections, your heart is not harkened to learn and add to knowledge? You have deliberately enstrangled youself to a tailored inert way of reasoning and decided through pride to remain like that.

People of God, Teachers of mordern law and of tradition and culture had taken their time to teach and tutor every one here on this issue, we had all learned and with opened heart recieved words of knowlegde.

You had even twisted, tailored, changed and personally interpreted the word of God to your own interest.

These are not good actitude of great teachers because they will want to learn, see views and opened their hearts to understanding indirectly impacting the lives of others. I doubt if you take time to listen to the Holyspirit because if it doesn't not fall in your views, such can't be from the " SPIRIT OF GOD". From this point I doubt if your teachings and based on the teachings from the Spirit of God or maybe you just like teaching.

frosbel: There is ONLY one CHURCH and the representative of JESUS CHRIST is the HOLY SPIRIT not the POPE.

"as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, " - Ephesians 5:23b - 24a

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you." - John 14:16

Three things to note :

1. The head of the church is Christ not the POPE
2. The church submits to Christ not to the POPE.
3. The Holy Spirit is present in all true believers, we do not need the POPE.

I think I like this from Frosbel.

When Christ the Head of the Church was refering to the churches in the Bible (Rev 3) He never mentioned the Catholic or one universal Church ( One of the doctrines of men to deceive men).

First let us look at Christ's words to the churches.

To the church in Sardis

These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches ( Catholic church was not mention).


2. Church in Philadephia.....Vs 6-8 etc


let us look at also Paul's latter to the church in Laodicea(Col 4:16), Ephesus (Ephe 1:1) even his letter to the church in Rome ( not roman catholic)

I Knew by their fruit you shall know them, those that give heed to the interpretations of their own man's wisdom, trying to twist the words of God to suit their lust. 1 Tim 3: 1-5, 13-16, 2 Tim 2:19.

That a man knows the word of God from Genesis to Revelation is not a prove that He is a child of God and deligently serve Him in TRUTH and SPIRIT.

This study will reveal alot to all.

I will be back and will like to join this discuss

Just Imagine a God that professes His love, sent and gave His Only, Only begotten Son to “DIE” for mankind just for them not to burn and be destroy in Hell, but the same Man chooses to willing disobey, dishonor and reject His Love. So will you blame God? - 1 Corinth 8:3, Psalm 1:6, Amos 3:2, Isaiah 5:25


Just Imagine You had preached, warned, begged, advice and done everything for your relatives to escape the destruction of Hell, and what they do is to laugh you to scorn, persecute and denial you. Are you going to be guilty for that, if they found themselves in Hell? 2 Pet 3:9, 2 Corinth 5:21 Gen 19: 18-29, Luke 16:19-31


Just Imagine God, an all-knowing God and yet creates people He loves so much then warned, advised, begged, sacrificed and instructed everyone about the dangers of Hell and the same group of people threw away his love, lied that there was no hell, dishonor, kill, blaspheme, destroy and commits all atrocious crimes. Then was He joking to warned and send His Son as sacrifice for whosoever believed in Him will not perish but….? Romans 11:2, Prov 6:16-19, Luke 16:19-31.


Hell fire is not for those that accept the Love of God and do his wills, but only fear to those that know within their hearts that they are working against the will of God and disobeying His commandments. Why are you afraid of Hell when you know you are working righteous and holy? 2 Tim 2:19, Mathew 7:14


“Nothing like Hell” is a tool of the Devil because from the foundation of the world THE DEVIL IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF ALL LIES. 1 Corinth 13:13, John 8:44

God is always God of Love and Judgment

Why do Blacks ride on cars and live in beautiful edifice?

chukwudi44: No way bro God hates idols not graven images no wonder he commanded moses to make graven images of the serpent and the cherubs.Even the temple of solomon had graven images of lions,trees,cherubs to the extent that the graven image of the cherubs were even placed in the holies of holies.

Are you trying to imply that God is a hypocrite? Abeg take your time.

Then did God instruct you, to create the graven image of Mary, worship, honor and reference her? The graven image of the serpent was not worshipped, referend or bow nor prayed to. Those graven image where not created as an image of somrthing to be referenced or prayed to.

The Bible says even in Heaven or underneath the earth. No image of anything should be made or created as a channel of worship, honor and reference, point blank.

^^^^This is idolatry by all word definition. The question is why and why must you have an image that can not talk, see, feel and listen to you?

chukwudi44: Exodus 20:3-5
"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me...."

Deuteronomy 5:7-9
"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me....

And you forgot that

King James Bible Exodus 20:4 says
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

cap28: stop using diversionary tactics to get away from my question.

I have just asked you a question, since you said [b] all [b/] disease plaquing africans are from the west

cap28: do you agree or disagree with my assertion?

Where did malaria parasite originated from, since it is the highest killer disease in Africa than AIDS? What has the African Nations done independently to bury the scourge?

coputa: Bill Gates cancel trip to Nigeria,Obama suspends visit to Nigeria,US may cut aids to Nigeria...All these suggest that we are not yet a sovereign state,anything America gives to you they will collect it back ten fold..Our leaders should learn fast and stop projecting us as a beggarly nation...A tenant that owes his tenant oustanding rent does not talk at home.

And more than 10,000 Nigerians/ day apply for American Visas. Can you spot the difference? Who is at who's mercies.

Billyonaire: You are a burial of foresight, do you care to know what drugs are being pumped into those kids system ? America keeps inventing diseases and profering cures. And after Gates donates the money, it goes back to Pfizer, Mrs America is really fooling you not me. So in essence, they are preaching anti-corruption, not cos they like you, but so that their aid money can get back to them safely, while the poor third world population is depleted. Thats a smart move though, but am not buying it. You can buy cos you are intelligent but lacks common sense.

Billyonaire of lack of wisdom, come with facts and figure not speculations. The same speculation that the FG fed you with, and you want to start doing the same on this forum. What did your Nigeria research and development ministry do to make sure all these never occurred in the first place? Simple, diverting funds meant for research and development, people’s welfare into private pockets without contrition. Will an outsider come into your house to harass and dirty your home when you have responsible people that can do that?

Don’t blame others for your deficiency and ability to make things happened when you have all the human and material resources to develop and grow. The third world will always have all the excuse not to develop but no tangible reason not to fight (because the west gave us guns and we started fighting)mtshew. The same excuse given twenty years ago is still what we are given today and will be given tomorrow. The sting of the black race.

When we confront our leaders with their wrongs and they humbly see objectivity in it without likes of you writing feeble. Nigeria my beloved country will move forward and contend with the super powers in economic growth and infrastructural development.

We have all things and everything but with corruption we are turned into living carcass that all nations are ready to feed on.

Billyonaire: So in Essence, the Gate's Foundation aid Project was conditional and not charitable. It was not Charity geared towards the cause of the poor, but another strategy by US government to seduce Nigeria Government to doing their bidding. To hell with such Greek's Horse. I implore the Federal Government to release $700m in a single batch to the Health Sector to continue with the Polio programme. Charity and aid are supposed to be granted freely without political ties. Nigeria is not the 53rd State of USA. We are sovereign, we can afford $700m, to hell with Noe-Colonialist, World Policing, Mrs America.

You are a hypocrite for this post of yours. Tell me, will you continue to give assistance or give funds to your gate-man when he comes calling, when you had just discovered that his savings were spent on alcohol, gambling and patronizing prostitutes, without catering for the purpose of intents for the funds?
And you won’t question or show displeasure on the way he had squandered his funds, knowing fully well that this will indirectly affect his state of mind and attitude to his primary duties?

Funds or not this is a highly moral issue that every right thinking Nigerian should frown at, at any forum where this issue is discussed. Also from the role of a brother or neighbor I see nothing wrong for US’s advice or displeasure on this issue.

An African provide says: When a neighbor is eating cockroach, if not warned, the resultant repercussion will definitely affect you.

Everyone here knows that every and anytime the federal government releases funds 90% are released to private pockets and no system to trace this funds or not even bothered about the negative volcanic effects on the citizen in all sectors. And as silly as we can be we display our dirty linen outside arrogantly and proudly in all immoral sense and also argue foolishly at glaring display of the government arrogant incompetence thinking majority of Nigerians are knowledge starved.

Billyonaire: Amnesty and State Pardon are political reunification instruments. If the society was perfect, there would have been no such word like State pardon and Amnesty. Amnesty and State Pardon are not meant for priests, lawful or the patriots. Amnesty just like State Pardon was meant to reunite criminals, lawless, felons, rebels and thieves to the fold. If Alam was such criminal, a lawless, felon, rebel and thief then I see no reason its a misnorm. I will rather say the US Embassy is acting in ignorance of sovereignty of state of Nigeria. There is Penalty against any Embassy who dares to interfere in our sovereign ideals.

Sorry you have no point with this at all. In a healthy society where hard work, innovation and patriotism are celebrated, you can't find this nonsense. There are millions die-hard Nigerians working hard for this nation and you are typing and saying that criminals are the next to be celebrated. This is an exhibition of failed and corrupt system and government. A disgrace, despite our government begging for Health, security, social and infrastructural reliefs from this people (USA) and you said they should not meddle into our affairs. Please be educated.

Billyonaire: I invented how to spell.

Not funny at all, its your shame

Goshen360: 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21“Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. Colossians 2 >> New International Version

I believe Goshen should have read this clearly before posting. I also know this has nothing to do with the issue on debate because this verses speaks on categories of idolatery, traditional worshippers etc judging the elects on what to eat and not to drink before they can have access to God.

E.g: Just like some churches we all know that believes in offering sacrifices to spiritual entities and likewise eating out of concoctions.

As christian I believe it is not out of place to admonish ourselves on things that could limit our christian growth and in motifying our flesh and putting it under subjection.

Pastor Kun: Because they continue to lead the flock of christ astray and the bible says we should rebuke them sharply.

Btw you that twist the words of God for your selfish ways should be rebuke more.

Pastor Kun: Nope I am arguing against false preachers and brethen like you.

Why do you continue to argue against them?

Candour: my dear Brother,read all my posts.I'm not in the tithe business camp

I pay my tithe

Candour: my dear Brother,read all my posts.I'm not in the tithe business camp

Sorry bro I PAY MY TITHE..... just a question driving somewhere

Candour: Non.All his righteousness was based on faith. Gen 15:6

Now will you answer mine?

How did He know He had to pay One tenth of the spoils, and what law was He obeying, since you guys called it Law?

ooman: Who is ignorant here? Me who posted an equation or you who dont understand? Read a little quantum physics. That would do for beginners.

You wrote something is proven beyond resaonable doubt and you cant explain it OMG.

Have you being to a project defence at all? Do you assume that your lecturers knows it or you prove to them that you understand, know and believe in your presentations BEYOND RESAONABLE DOUBT?

Certainly this man should not be taken serious. Out of here

ooman: What are you exactly angry at, that the formula proved the source of energy or that you dont understand the equation, hence, you asking me to spoon feed you.
If you lack knowledge about the constants used to derive energy, that is your problem. Read beginners quantum physics, you should catch up in some years.

You make me laugh at your ignorance, you created a topic to prove something beyond reasonable doubt and you dont understand and can't explain it neither. In maths If you cant explain it then dont prove it because it becomes rubbish.

ooman: here
https://www.nairaland.com/1207187/what-facts-energy-say-god

below is the "mathematical nature" of energy. if you understand it, of course, which is why it is better we continue to speak in plain language

You are a bad student of mathematics, what you have just done there is rubbish you copied and pasted. First you define what those alphabets means then their functions and concepts. And where were they derived from?

This bad maths and how do those formular relates to evolution.

Goshen360: Unfortunately, my pastor friend's church is in Calabar - Living Waters. They don't teach tithe for Christians, no seed sowing because they understand that the seed is the word of God. They only practice Grace based giving. I know many churches here in the United States that don't pressure you into giving but I don't know of much of them in Africa except for the aforementioned.

Also, the Grace based giving is the ONLY thing that is scriptural - whereby you give what you have with a cheerful heart and that's where the blessing is. It's a natural thing to give and receive apart from the bible saying it but we are to give whatever we have, not what we are forced or coerced to give.

I thought He was asking for a church that will not ask or demand for any form of money from the congregation, be it offering, tithes, freewill, offering for widows & orphans, pastor's welfare etc.