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frosbel: mate, gods in the bible can refer to angels, judges of Israel and even children of GOD.

Please don't blaspheme by called Yahweh , gods, please don't.

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Please never put words into my writ-ups , I had and will never refer God as god. I pointed out that in that context the bible will not be refering to angels as gods and in another revision it was used as God. Please be informed

frosbel: BTW, Mr. Tithes and Offerings, I am waiting for your answer to my comment which rebuffed your earlier points, in another post.

Lets finish addressing this Issue bro we will all move there.

Image123: yepaaaa @ OP. the thing is 'defy' na, not 'defile'.

Thanks bro. I had no time to go through, the second time at least you got the message

ijawkid: Is this the scripture you are talking about??

New International Version (©1984)
He said, "Look! I see four men walking around
in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the
fourth looks like a son of the gods."
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English Standard Version (©2001)
He answered and said, “But I see four men
unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and
they are not hurt; and the appearance of the
fourth is like a son of the gods.”


Please did u ever take your time to read that verse??

I kow you are coming with this i am ready for you.

Who are the gods (small g) your tranlation was refering to. The only time the Bible refered to gods(small g) are those worshiping images and when we are refered to as small gods. at no time did the bible refered to as angels as gods. I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. Psalm 82:6.) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the ...) in this context, It was

Back to the question of who visited Abraham — we are specifically told in Gen. 18:1 that the Lord (YHWH) appeared to him (Abraham) near the trees/oaks of Mamre. The Hebrew makes it perfectly clear that Yahweh himself appeared, at least at some point in the story. The Greek translators confirm, albeit somewhat more generically, that it was God (ho theos) that appeared.
This seemingly random appearance of Yahweh to Abraham was not an isolated occurrence. God had appeared to him a number of times previously (see Gen. 12:7; Gen. 17:1–3, 22). These theophanies are not described with any detail, but relate in a rather nonchalant, non-spectacular fashion the idea that Yahweh descended from heaven to speak with Abraham (and then “went up” from him, Gen. 17:22).
So, in chapter 18, we are informed of another appearance of Yahweh to Abraham. Many commentators make a point distinguish this appearance from that of chapter 17. The open (blank) space in the Hebrew text between the two chapters is an indicator that we are starting a new, unrelated narrative. Some commentators identify this first clause of verse 1 as an introduction to the following chapters, which are characterized by their narrative of divine contact with mortals. Although this may indicate that we should understand this line apart from the following verses — that perhaps this is just the “heading” and not the actual beginning of the story–we will have to answer more questions before coming to any conclusion.
After these words of introduction, we are told that Abraham, while sitting in his tent, looks up and beheld three “men” approaching. Neither the Hebrew nor the Greek call them “angels” here, but use common words for mortal men. However, in the next chapter, Gen. 19:1, two of the “men” are called angels (or “messengers”, in both Hebrew and Greek). If two of them leave for Sodom, then apparently the third is left behind. The way the narrative comes to us, the third visitor would seem to be the Lord, who is left by the other two and remains speaking to Abraham in the last part of chapter 18.

God will bless you as you read with an open heart as God defiled Human Logic on our series of debate on TRINITY (part 1).

The Three Men Who Appeared to Abraham: The Godhead, Angels, or Human Beings? (Old Testament Lesson
By David Larsen | Published: February 19, 2010
In Genesis 18, we read that the Lord appeared to Abraham in Mamre, and also, in the same verse, that three “men” visited him. This has to be one of the most debated passages of all time. The big question is whether these three were divine beings (and if one of the three was the Lord, Yahweh), and if so, why are they described in these verses as “men” engaging in very human activities such as washing their feet and eating regular food (Gen. 18:4–? This is a very complicated matter, especially because the text is so vague, not providing the details that we would need to sort this out. In fact, it is really impossible to come to a conclusion based on the biblical text. So why do I bother? Because divine theophanies are a serious matter and a correct understanding (or as close as we can get to it) of these narratives helps us understand the early Israelite beliefs concerning the nature of God.
But before I get into that, I want to point out that the blog Joel’s Monastery (which I’ve mentioned here recently) has a great in-depth commentary on the scriptural passages covered in this Old Testament Lesson #8. He does a good job of covering the material for the entire lesson, including a treatment of the Melchizedek tradition that is quite comprehensive. My post is necessarily more limited, but, if you would like, please see some of my previous posts on Melchizedek as well:
Melchizedek: Priest, King, and God
Joseph Smith and the Genealogy of Melchizedek

The problem I see hears is this, these peole had only seen God from the Logis side of View but bot from the spiritual angle. They have read only part of the Bible that suited a claim and left the whole Bible just for a couse and purpose.

They have narrowed their understanding to a revision that suits their belief and understanding neglecting the intents of the spirit of God

ijawkid: No man has ever seen GOD....

This should ring in your head all the time...
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All those spirit persons that were seen.felt and touched were not Yahweh but his representatives.........

No man can see GOD and live........

That is a fact....

Angelic representatives were the persons who were seen and felt .....

And so also Jesus isn't God....because Jesus was seen,and Jesus died...

All this can never happen with the almighty...

The minute God can be seen and then can die then he stops being GOD....

Don't y'all get ti??

So you are saying:

God is not powerful to reveal himself in any nature.
That God can not do all things accept things in your Head.
That the bible lied when Moses saw only a part of God.
That the writter of Genesis wrote in error.
That even Adam never saw God in the evening of the day as recorded in scriptures.
That there was differnce in the words used for angels, God, lord, god, Christ in the bible expect those permitted by you and your gathering for the sake of all interpretations.

God Defiled your LOGIC again

"The minute God can be seen and then can die then he stops being GOD...."
Where was this written in the bible?

frosbel: Angels are referred to as Sons of GOD, it was an angel not Christ.

And he said 'like unto the ' not 'the'.

With all humility and to honour God in heaven and not to sin against God's WORD and not add or remove because of the day of reckoning and judgement. Please kindly referred me to a biblical reference saying that the fourth person refereed to in Dan 3:25 was only an Angel not CHRIST.

God defiled Your LOGIC Frosbel.
I would humbly say I see the Spirit of Error hear from you.

frosbel: God fellowshiped with ADAM in his sinless state , when Adam sinned it was all over.

Wheather in hIS SINLESS NATURE OR NOT.With what nature did he relate with ADAM? And after His sinful nature God still came down made them clothings from animal skin and gave it to them. So God did all that to defile your Human logic. You also gulved, I told you, they are all trickish questioin that will attract 28 meanings pointing to the samething. You avn't seen nothing yet.

frosbel: God did not himself come down , he imbued authority on his angels and sent them.

Normally angels came , sometimes even referred to as Yahweh, not because they were God but because he gave them 100% authority.

Example :
20 "Now get yourselves ready. I'm sending my Angel ahead of you to guard you in your travels, to lead you to the place that I've prepared. 21 Pay close attention to him. Obey him. Don't go against him. He won't put up with your rebellions because he's acting on my authority. 22 But if you obey him and do everything I tell you, I'll be an enemy to your enemies, I'll fight those who fight you - Exodus 23:20-33






God fellowshiped with ADAM in his sinless state , when Adam sinned it was all over.



Angels are referred to as Sons of GOD, it was an angel not Christ.

And he said 'like unto the ' not 'the'.

@Frosbel,


@ No. 1: The context and events inwhich you quoted was different entiely.Unless you are calling the bible lier
Again you have only suceeded in twisting the whole issue again. Was Abraham going on a Journey? The Bible Gen 18: 1-5 quoted that God
Genesis 18:1-15
New International Version (NIV)

The Three Visitors
18 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”
7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

9 “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him.

“There, in the tent,” he said.

10 Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.”
Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him. 11 Abraham and Sarah were already very old, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. 12 So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?”

13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”

This was refering to God appearing to Him not telling him that He was going to send someone. Why have you created a form of God in your heart saying He can not do this or not? If God can defile your Logic (human) accept this in fellowship of humility and lets learn from God himself

Hi all,

To give us proper understanding of this issued (GodHead) that has suffered immense debate i would want us to answer this critical questions before i post a write-up from some-one.

1. When God( we all agree that God is spirit) and the angels visited Abraham, in what form did He visit Abraham (this question is trickish)? He also ate and do things like Human being. Then Can we say its is illogical, difficult for God, impossible for God to come down in the same nature and experience everything as of man for a purpose as the one Christ did?

2. The bible concisely recorded that in the eve of the day, God will come down and fellowship with adam ( i believe talk, and also do things like man with him, properbly laugh and talk) in what nature since God is a spirit will Adam ( man of 100%) see God,dinned with him? So if God could do likewise in those form then is it possible to do the same for any purpose).

3. The bible recorded in Daniel 3:25-28, When daniel's friend were put into the furnace of fire. The king recorded that The fourth image was like the Image of the SON OF GOD even when Jesus christ had not be birthed or His mother and Father were birthed. What misery is this? And this has defiled "LOGIC" Then can we say He had already exited before His death and only waiting for time (we are also going to be debating on this). If a man had exited before his birth that means is death is a formalty for a devine purpose. He also said no one can take His life if He had not laid it down? Then if God can allow this that defiles LOGIC then is anything impossible for him even if it will defile LOGIC?
Thanks all as we enjoy this heat.

Hi all,

To give us proper understanding of this issued that has suffered immense debate i would want us to answer this critical questions before i post a write-up from some-one.

1. When God( we all agree that God is spirit) and the angels visited Abraham, in what form did He visit Abraham (this question is trickish)? He also ate and do things like Human being. Then Can we say its is illogical, difficult for God, impossible for God to come down in the same nature and experience everything as of man for a purpose as the one Christ did?

2. The bible concisely recorded that in the eve of the day, God will come down and fellowship with adam ( i believe talk, and also do things like man with him, properbly laugh and talk) in what nature since God is a spirit will Adam ( man of 100%) see God,dinned with him? So if God could do likewise in those form then is it possible to do the same for any purpose).

3. The bible recorded in Daniel 3:25-28, When daniel's friend were put into the furnace of fire. The king recorded that The fourth image was like the Image of the SON OF GOD even when Jesus christ had not be birthed or His mother and Father were birthed. What misery is this? And this has defiled "LOGIC" Then can we say He had already exited before His death and only waiting for time (we are also going to be debating on this). If a man had exited before his birth that means is death is a formalty for a devine purpose. He also said no one can take His life if He had not laid it down? Then if God can allow this that defiles LOGIC then is anything impossible for him even if it will defile LOGIC?
Thanks all as we enjoy this heat.

CAPTAIN T: friend, please free yourself from this mental slavery.

And be bound spiritually

And they also claim that some verses of the Bible where errors and not relevant to some issues in the modern age. They interprete the bible with Logic(wisdom of men) and do not make reference to interpretation and understanding as given by the spirit of God. They wash down Men of God with redicle and insults and uphold their own self-righteousness. They claim the knowledge of the spirit of God but denial His manefestation.

frosbel: Fail again !!

The gospel is repent and be saved or Perish.


No such thing as repent or you will go to hell.

What is it to perish please?

truthislight: evil heart.

God is love.

Please take time to read your bible if you are christian and understand God.
God is not and never wicked, but just like every father wil do, will have set of rules and consequences if this rules are not obeyed.
Isaiah 59:1-2

Let us Analyse this bible verse and raise some vital questions which I believe will help us.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1. What is the meaning of the Perish used in that context (because for something to perish means it has no chance of coming back to life)? It could mean a state of destruction, unredeemable state of calamity and everlasting sorrow and rejection.

2. What is Everlasting life and the need for this? Everlasting life means a state of man living perpetually.If man will live perpetually then man will not had experienced the first death. That means there is a second life and that might take eternity after the first death.

3. Why did God want us to live perpetually? I believe we will now go to the rea son why he created Man, the purpose of the first Adam to enjoy and have a relationship with him which He still desires.

4. If God had loved the world so much and wouldnt want anybody to perish in the first place then there would be no reason to allow Jesus to redeem the world. I believe He knew the consequences will be fatal for man if He didnt come with the Plan of Salvation. He saw this and He would do everything to save man if only man took the choice given to him by God.

So if man will not perish and suffer for life then there is no reason for Jesus to come, He could just live man alone since after death nothing happens

Understanding the Words of God through the human mind and the spirit man are two different things entirely and everytime, the interpretation of the two are always different because they are two different individual and personalities that can never come to terms together.
The Human mind(nature) tells and understand things basically from what he can see,feel, touch etc and it becomes very difficult for him to comprehend and interprete when they are off the limits of this senses.
Its Just like telling a man blind from birth that the tallest building in Nigeria is mre than the highest mountain in the world. This becomes illogical for him to comprehend and interprete becomes its beyond what he could fanthom, fashion and feel. For him to believe he will have to experience it himself. That is exactly the things and words of God. They are not things we could see with our physical mind but can see,feel and touch when we allow our spiritual man to experience it.
Spiritual Truth Is Spiritually Discerned
Thought
Those outside of Christ are unable to grasp spiritual truth. Only by means of the Holy Spirit is spiritual truth discerned. If we better understood this we would give far greater priority to prayer than to clever presentations.-DL

When a Christian begins to interprete the words and works of God Logically then his salvation and faith needs to be questioned, because salvation in its self its the works of Faith and grace which logic can never explain.

Most christian that uses logic to interprete the Word of God at many times fall into heresies and blasphemy. I wnder when spiritually issues and things becomes a source of logical interpretation? Then this is nollifying the Works and definition of faith. Even to the extent of analysing God logically forgetting that Logic is the works of man and can not explain the nature of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
New International Version (©1984)
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
New Living Translation (©2007)
But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

In the past we had depended fully on the Holyspirit for interpretations and understanding of every of God's words and we had also taken issues to God as led by the Holyspirit and gotten speedy results but nowadays we depend on our interpretations according to our believes and human knowledge, boxing God most times to a corner that God can never do this or that. We had also complicated issues to unbelievers by double interpretations of same lines on different issues. I believe that is the reason why we don't get result from the throne of Grace.
Who is to be blamed?

Why do Christians quickly point to some bible revisions as Errors just to support their personal interpretations and neglect other verses in the same revision that doesnt support other lines?
So is it the Revision or the Interpretations of these Christians that shoud be put under Scrutiny, since as christians? We believe that all scrpitures are from God and some of this revisions had not added extra verses or chapters to them just revision for easy comprehension and reasoning.

Who makes the interpretation and the understanding of the Scrpitures easy? Is it the revision or the Holyspirit.
Although so many christians that we are aware of on this forum had ridicled the work of the holyspirit forgeting that the Holyspirit gives exact interpretation and understanding of God's works according to His intents, motives and situations at that time in relation to the situation of man at present, thereby giving their own ambiguous interpretation and nolifying the original contents to satisfy their personal intents.

To me I believe Man's interpretation had done more harvoc because of their motive(leading to blasphemy annd heresies) than the intent and interpretation of the Holyspirit.

What is your take on this?

frosbel: God as in GOD and Jesus Christ as a god.

Blasphemer please show me in the bible where Jesus was refered to as god (small g)

Are you dissociating yourself from the topic you posted, O my God? I think I am in the wrong session, but wait are you saying all what you put down has nothing to do with your personal conviction and your personal faith? My Lord my savior.

So How do you come about, that He is not a person when you know less of him just what you read? Definitely you know nothing about Him and you are spitting out this nonsenceand blasphemy against him, You vest my spirit.

Bro, You do not know God at all, quote me, I am quoteable...... Check what you professed and recieved. You must have recieved something else i am sure of that.

I employ the Good christians not to respond to this Guy again. I beseech you by the mercies of the Lord

frosbel: Nothing to do with you , between me and my GOD.

I owe you no explanations about my life.

I believe its an experience to share bro, So how do you want to convince me if I were an unbeliver, of an experience you would want me to feel. Its nothing to hide its not a secrete affair bro.

frosbel: I had an extra ordinary encounter with God while an undergraduate at university, it was sudden, precise and created a major change in my life.

In other words the things I did before I do them no more.

I have also spoken in tongues FYI and being baptised by water immersion.

Please break it down for me dear friend what you mean by " I had an extra ordinary encounter with God".

What are the changes and How did it happen? I would also like to know.

@ Frosbel

Have you received the Holyspirit, after salvation and what as being your personal experience? Just feel like knowing

I believe there are so many things about God you can't understand through human knowledge, logic or even Biblical permutations. But when you open your heart and pray for the fresh infilling of the Holyspirit you get inspirations from the throne of Grace.
Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Dont let us depend on our own understanding.

frosbel: God's Spirit is not seperate from God himself.

God's Spirit is GOD's influence, Power in the universe / world.

They are not TWO.

If God is a Spirit and the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit then we have 2 Spirits , right Also our Lord Jesus is a life giving Spirit , so that makes 3 Spirits now


Put that catholic doctrine behind you bro .

I end my debate here !

You have just identified and went to the Line of the Eckist by saying" God's Spirit is GOD's influence, Power in the universe " you can only add FORCE to yours

frosbel: Well then join the catholic church because they started this heresy

Peace bro !

Even if they started it, My lecturer inspired me to know the truth

frosbel: You can add the Trinity to the list of heresies your catholic church preaches.!!

I am not a catholic member I am a student under the Holyspirit studying the Word of God from the department of Born Again.