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That is why Islam will never understand the meaning of the "SON OF GOD". Jesus Christ is the PRODUCT of God's Word( Used as the Son or taken from or born of)spoken to fulfill a mission and became flesh to carry out the mandate. The holy Spirit is the word of God or referred to as the Wisdom of God "Ephesians 1:17-19", John 16, Rom 16:27.
Mat 12: 42, Luke 11:31 said another greater than Solomon is here in wisdom, Why? Because He was borne form the wisdom of GOD.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
In the beginning was the word,.... That this is said not of the written word, but of the essential word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, is clear, from all that is said from hence, to John 1:14 as that this word was in the beginning, was with God, and is God; from the creation of all things being ascribed to him, and his being said to be the life and light of men; from his coming into the world, and usage in it; from his bestowing the privilege of adoption on believers; and from his incarnation; and also there is a particular application of all this to Christ, John 1:15. And likewise from what this evangelist elsewhere says of him, when he calls him the word of life, and places him between the Father and the Holy Ghost; and speaks of the record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus, as the same thing; and represents him as a warrior and conqueror, 1 John 1:1. Moreover this appears to be spoken of Christ, from what other inspired writers have said of him, under the same character; as the Evangelist Luke, Luke 1:2, the Apostle Paul, Acts 20:32 and the Apostle Peter, 2 Peter 3:5. And who is called the word, not as man; for as man he was not in the beginning with God, but became so in the fulness of time; nor is the man God; besides, as such, he is a creature, and not the Creator, nor is he the life and light of men; moreover, he was the word, before he was man, and therefore not as such: nor can any part of the human nature be so called; not the flesh, for the word was made flesh; nor his human soul, for self-subsistence, deity, eternity, and the creation of all things, can never be ascribed to that; but he is the word as the Son of God, as is evident from what is here attributed to him, and from the word being said to be so, as in John 1:14 and from those places, where the word is explained by the Son, compare 1 John 5:5. And is so called from his nature, being begotten of the Father; for as the word, whether silent or expressed, is the birth of the mind, the image of it, equal to it, and distinct from it; so Christ is the only begotten of the Father, the express image of his person, in all things equal to him, and a distinct person from him: and he may be so called, from some action, or actions, said of him, or ascribed to him; as that he spoke for, and on the behalf of the elect of God, in the eternal council and covenant of grace and peace; and spoke all things out of nothing, in creation; for with regard to those words so often mentioned in the history of the creation, and God said, may Jehovah the Son be called the word; also he was spoken of as the promised Messiah, throughout the whole Old Testament dispensation; and is the interpreter of his Father's mind, as he was in Eden's garden, as well as in the days of his flesh; and now speaks in heaven for the saints. The phrase, , "the word of the Lord", so frequently used by the Targumists, is well known: and it is to be observed, that the same things which John here says of the word, they say likewise, as will be observed on the several clauses; from whence it is more likely, that John should take this phrase, since the paraphrases of Onkelos and Jonathan ben Uzziel were written before his time, than that he should borrow it from the writings of Plato, or his followers, as some have thought; with whose philosophy, Ebion and Cerinthus are said to be acquainted; wherefore John, the more easily to gain upon them, uses this phrase, when that of the Son of God would have been disagreeable to them: that there is some likeness between the Evangelist John and Plato in their sentiments concerning the word, will not be denied. Amelius (f), a Platonic philosopher, who lived after the times of John, manifestly refers to these words of his, in agreement with his master's doctrine: his words are these,
"and this was truly "Logos", or the word, by whom always existing, the things that are made, were made, as also Heraclitus thought; and who, likewise that Barbarian (meaning the Evangelist John) reckons was in the order and dignity of the beginning, constituted with God, and was God, by whom all things are entirely made; in whom, whatsoever is made, lives, and has life, and being; and who entered into bodies, and was clothed with flesh, and appeared a man; so notwithstanding, that he showed forth the majesty of his nature; and after his dissolution, he was again deified, and was God, as he was before he descended into a body, flesh and man.

Jesus was not Jesus as a MAN before he came to the World, but was the Word of God that was God that is God and with God before creation, spoken and became flesh in the World as Jesus Christ to fulfill the works of salvation. So the word that became flesh makes reference to Himself as the "Son of God" i.e that which came from God(as a product- used as a Greek word) in the form of the word thru the spirit of Godin some terms in the Bible and equally addressed Himself when referring to the Supremacy of his Original attributes in heaven.

That is why Islam will never understand the meaning of the "SON OF GOD".

Please try read this commentary with an opened mind

http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?b=43&c=1&com=mhc

Deep Sight: ^^^ Bros, I thought you allotted me only one response? You are in generous spirits today, I must say.

The fact simply remains that Paul stated that "Of the son, God said. . ." - Paul is either ignorant or deliberately lying, because Psalm 45 clearly says no such thing. I can't shout, I posted the whole of Psalm 45 up there, and any genuinely intelligent and honest person can see that Psalm 45 says NO SUCH THING.

Stop peddling silly lies while laying claim to a high horse the height of which does not exceed that of a poodle. You have no idea how pitifully ridiculous you appear in doing so.

@ Deepsight i am forced to respond to your allusion here on the bolded, i would rather say you are not a believer in the words of God at all and a deceiver of the brethren, because every words as written in the bible are the mind of God and inspired only by him(II Tim 3:16). For all the words to survive generations and brought together is never the effort of any man if God has not willed. For you to say Paul was lying even when you were not born during this period shows you are deliberately ignorant or mislead in your beliefs.
I will suggest that Enigma seize to discuss with you on this issue because it shows that you are only out to paint the truth lies despite evidences posed before you. I regret if my words sounds harsh but know its in good faith.
Thanks

Everybody named Femi are promiscuous
Because it tells from the name

They know if the baby was said to be delivered to the Muslim family it would be easy to doubt the story, so they deliberately orchestrated the plan so that it will look like it is from a christian family and it will be difficult for people to doubt. Its always alarming that this stories don't come from where enough evidences will show that its genuine like Governmental hospitals that its not easy to frame up things with Government Medical practitioners. Funny enough the doctor was a Muslim whom could have thought about the plan to help Allah propagate his religion.

Nobody has come out with the contents of the Quran. And to wonder stories like this originate only from the South West of Nigeria where I come from. There was a story of One Imam that claimed he delivered a woman of a tortoise and called it the miracle of Allah, after investigation he confessed of switching the baby to replace the tortoise.

logicboy: Calm down. If you are so sure about your own beliefs, how come you are not preaching like the others here on NL? You are skeptical about religion

I know what i believe in and I am sure that I believe in Jesus Christ the savior of the world through whom I have a cordial relationship with God.

logicboy: I remember your story about your dream and your mom. You are a grown man. Stop letting dreams (nightmares) rule your life.

I am laughing Out. Young man its more than that the dream, that its the reason why i once told you that you will never understand somethings when you hardened your mind to wisdom and knowledge. Do you know must time I gain some insights to some of your thoughts anytime we discussed objectively? Because i open my mind to knowledge and believe that words have deep meanings and sometimes are lost when conveying them.

Sometime in the future i will tell you of a group I joined, to tell you the level I have gone to in search of one thing

lov.boobs:
So, how do u understand it?

Once you experience the power of the Holy-ghost you will never let go.

Logic Mind: nobody is listening to you

I am enjoying her. You dont have to listen

logicboy: I'm not surprised. You cant explain the special relationship. God doesnt exist.

To you, you feel that, to me its more than real.

logicboy: I'm not surprised. You cant explain the special relationship. God doesnt exist.

I know where you are going so i was wise, i wanted to know maybe you are following me genuinely.

In my past posts I told you the way i once lived my life. Until I took that vital decision to Know more about some questions.

Who created me? Why am I here in this world in the first place? I knew i don't know how and when I took the decision to come to this world and certainly I might never know how i will live, but certainly i know I will live someday. To where? If there is anything I have to do understand life and know so many things about my life I think I had to do it.

This thoughts and questions were what broke me down and the dream my mother had, that i narrated to you came up, i believe you still remembered?

logicboy: Nonsense.I prayed, fasted and received holy communion. I never missed mass one sunday. If there was a God, I would have been a son of God. Unfortuantely,God doeswnt exist

I told you what you were simply practicing was just religion not having a definite relationship with God. You might be a member of a family and not enjoy the full benefit associated with the family, if you don't have cordial relationship. I can practice religion and not have full and in-dept relationship with God, these are two parallel and different things entirely. The pharisees practiced religion and they do not know the mind of God. Practicing religion for the next 4000years will never save you if you don't have close relationship with him. Its more than that, so many people I assure you will be disappointed to know Religion will never save a Man. I beat my chest with that confidence. Having a relationship with God makes you understand His mind, the reason why you live and have confidence of better tomorrow(life after death)people do not know and see. WHAO!

Nicodemus said the same thing, when you do all these things you only satisfy religious and physical obligation, but when you do all this WITH the relationship with God you satisfy your spiritual thirst to understand, work in the knowledge of His will. I bet you, you will never regret it. I am giving you my word.

Forget it these world can not give us everything we want. Okay forget religion a brother will kill his brother for reasons you will count unnecessary that is the world we are, and the evil will continue because Man (me and You) have decided to work in our ways, but there are people that are still honest and upright obeying and doing God's will and seeing the reward.

Even when they were not on strike, You wait for hours in the hospital before they can respond to you. They do their works as if nobody can question them, most of them don't report to duty instead they go for part time jobs. I had once being frustrated, left the hospital and taken Self Medication when i was in the hospital for 3hrs without any doctor, when one came. He was in the office for 45minutes when patients were under pains waiting. The government should clean the health sector for incompetence and lack of dedication to duty.
Let all the security agents, engineers, ASUU, Pegassan,bankers, NEPA, NURTW,lawyers and government too go on strike. Every profession is useful in the society, no one profession should carry itself more than every body

logicboy: Play childish?

Religion brought theocracy. If theocracy is order then, rape is surprise sex

Its not theocracy you have your free mind nobody dictates to you. You grow to understand God and relate with Him not a "way of Christianity/ moral" its more than that but being a christian in truth and in spirit having a deep relationship with God. Not just saying I am a christian for 100 years. You can be christian but not act like, do and have relationship with God. You have opportunity to know and understand Him better I am telling you.

rastamouse: You know well that religion gave the world some form of order.

Thanks I know he knows that, but he's trying to play childish.

logicboy: So, because somebody conjured the lie that is religion, it is impossible that religion can not be dangerous to man? Are you forgetting that there are people who believe that their religion is from God? If someone wholeheartedly believes that God said that he should kill you, isnt that a religious problem?

Remove christianity and we would not have had crusades or inquisitions. Less evil.

It can never be done I am a devoted christian, and I have not thought in my life to Kill for everything, I believe in Hard work and THAT IS THE REASON I DON'T STEAL. I have being studying the bible for more 30years I HAVE NEVER COME TO THE POINT OF PERPETUATING EVIL AS YOU SAID.

logicboy: I was a christian for 22 years. Please dont tell me that I do not know what is in the bible

There are statements in the bible that are explicilty clear. If I say that brainpulse is a liar, it is a very clear statement. If God says in the bible that isrealites should take slaves from neighbouring nations, it is also very clear.

The interpretation excuse is for apologist.

You can be a christian for 50 years and may not know God. And may not understand explicit interpretation and the motive of every statements as written in the bible. That its the reason why Jesus said He will send the holy spirit to make you understand every words in the bible. If i might ask when you were christian for 22years do you have personal relationship with the Holy spirit? So that I will know what to ask again.

logicboy: Religion gives man one extra reason to be evil. Remove religion and there would still be evil but there would be less evil

I laugh totally laugh. How do you weigh and quantify the evil in man? You said man made religion, religion allows a man to do one more evil. Can you hear yourself?

logicboy: huh?


The bible is illogical and I use it to show why christians do illogical things. Is that too much for you to process?

Fallacy, because you never understood it that is the reason why I pointed that out in the morphology of words and interpretation.

Destroy Religion totally, people will still steal, kill and destroy. You cant take that away from man that is what you don't understand. A child that don't know how to read nor write will tell lies even without the parents teaching him/her. Its in the nature of man, if you don't know, know it now. The nature of man wants and continues to want, and if he can't get will think and strategize ways to get than immoral thoughts get to him and actions follows. A child does not need to read before telling lies or taking his friend's toys. He doesn't learn it, its the genetic build up of man because of the nature to commit sin.

logicboy:


To show that it is illogical and contradictory?

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So U use what you blieve is illogical and contradictory to support your claims is unblievable.

logicboy: Clearly, a motive or insanity.


Atheism has no guidelines

So thank you, everyone that kills has a motive. Its the alibi that is different. The lord says thou shall not Kill, people like you having different motives and opinion to support their actions goes to the bible takes a portion mis-inteprete it that perpetuate evil. So your argument is totally illogical

logicboy: The bible is illogical and contradictory

Lets start.

So why quoting it to support your point?

So when an atheist kills, what had prompted him to kill if he has no religion? Every one that does evil always hide under one excuse or the other.
I don't want to start quoting the bible with you, I have being avoiding it since you said you don't believe in it. But If you want us to do that with logical teachings and interpretation then lets start that? The problem is that you wont still accept the right interpretations.

logicboy:


The religious books are bad. It is the religion that is mostly to blame, not the people. Get rid of the religion not the people

Okay, since you said God doesn't not exist, then from your inference people were the one that wrote these books, and people makes the religion. I believe you have studied logic and you should understand that people are responsible for what they believe and the action they take. In Morphology of words and information If 3 people read a sentence they both have different opinions and suggestion to what they have read, and this forms their life.

logicboy: All christians are not bad, all athiests are not bad. However, the 3 main religions are consistently evil towards unbelievers






Lol. Theocracy is always bad. The bible/koran/talmud are always homophobic and intolerant towards unbelievers. The 3 major religions are consistently evil in theory.

Then attack the people behind it. Kill the diseases not the symptom. If symptom persist see your physician.

All Christians are not bad, all athiests are not bad. However, the 3 main religions are consistently evil towards unbelievers

Then the problem is not the religion the problem is with the people practicing it.

lekkie073: Ancient documents dont come in multiple copies.....pls try to google d epic of gilgamesh in order to get my point.

Why don't they come with multiple copies to protect Plagiarism that means the epic of Gilgamesh might have being altered even before Moses did.

Then it shouldn't have being kept in the library.How did you know that the writer's writing were the truth of the happenings then?

@boy

Better put a "world without human being". Do all atheist do good, Do all atheist do bad?

logicboy: God doesnt exist. You are confused

Then why are you so bothered and disturbed on something you believed doesn't exist.