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striktlymi: What good is there? What’s the use?
If I can preach about the most Blessed Trinity, argue my case convincingly with evidence from sacred scriptures without error but the way I live my life makes a mockery of everything the Most holy Trinity stands for?

What good is there? What’s the point?

If I claim to know God and have a personal relationship with him but can’t seem to recognize him in the lowly traveler, the poor beggar or I can’t stand being in the presence of a simpleton asking for directions?

What good is there? What’s the point?
If I can prove the existence of God such that everyone is convinced but the way I live my life screams to the highest heavens: There is no God!

What good is there? What’s the point?
If I can describe heaven succinctly but in the final analysis I did not do enough to merit heaven?

What good is there? What’s the point?
If I can give a million bucks as tithe but can’t afford to give a sachet of pure water to the poor guy on the streets who probably might die of dehydration the very next day?

As we go about being zealous for the conversion of souls, let us not neglect our own, for to whom much is given, much is expected.

Thank you!

Should we call this message on mount nairaland. I think I love this because it points out the little things we neglect in our daily work with God and our christian journey in this life. Although other people may not see it the way God has reveal this to you, but for the Man that is willing to accept reprove as a way to grow stronger in faith, its a food for thought.

Joagbaje: You should not criticize one good deed to at the expense of the other . We must do all. Helping others is fundamental part of Christianity . It should not be done at the expense of what we give to God or what we give to parents etc.

Have you read 1 Corinth 13:1-End, certainly not.

[quote author=n.oxide][size=16pt]Following the Bible bumper-to-bumper on what is sin and what is not sin. . . THE ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION WILL GO TO HELL[/size][/quote]LOL that's the reason why the scripture says wide is the way that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to life.
It was like yesterday when Noah warned the world about the destruction that was to come on those who disobeyed God, but they never believed and counted him serious. They said why will God destroy the people He created and loved.

The same happened during the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Unfortunately God has not changed and am not sure He has lowered his standard.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, I personally don't have a tattoo...but I know some teenagers who went out to get tattoos because for them it was a way to reach out to their friends within the "tattoo loving crowd". I see no reason to condemn their actions. The bible gives me none.[/quote]You can not help the holyspirit to convict anyman of sin, or help god to win a soul ( you remembered what happened when the ark of God was ushered to isreal and the man helping out). For you to help a drunkard you must be a drunk, i dont buy that bro.

Mr_Anony give me 5 reasons the man or a child of God must put and desecreate the body the Lord our God had made perfect and holy. I just dont understand any more what has sneaked into this faith given to us by our fathers of faith.

Remember if it is Good doesnt mean its Godly.

Does what you see above edify the spirit of God in you?

There is Understanding of the words by the words, Understanding of the words by the spirit and Understanding of the words by the reasoning of men, events etc.

1. Understanding by the words by the reasoning of men: It is very easy to fall into heresy, false teachings and doctrines if the words in the bible are understood by the reasoning of men, events, feelings and popular opinion, because the original context can be misunderstood differently per events and time and personal opinion. So Mr. A can understand a sentence and interprete in a different way different from the original context. So to me the version is not the problem but our ways of understanding and interpreting things. This understanding is prone to Large Error.

2. Understanding of words by the words: This is through using materials, dictionaries, literatures, sources etc. Although this often helps and be close to the original context but might also give contrary opinion on personal convictions different from the original intent. This understanding might not fit in or be used in all situations or circumstances, time and events. So still prone to some degree of errors

3. Understanding of the words by the spirit:

The bible says the scripture is inspired by the spirit of God which makes it different from every other books Man has. SO i believe for us to have a correct interpretation devoid of personal interpretation and heresies, false explaination and doctrines then we need the personalty that inspired it to give adequate interpretation and understanding, because everyman can give more than 10001 interpretations to a given sentence from their personal opinions and understanding just to suit.
The word of God is considered life and living because the Holy spirit gives a living understanding of what happened more than 2000 years in the same context relating them to different situation and circumstances of life. Any other man's logic and reasoning will defeat the original context and life
within it.

Then do we then say man has no choice to reason out somethings from the bible? Yes man must reason out everything but through the eyes of faith and understand by the spirit of God. If these two things are not present then we give opportunity for personal doctrines.

Please and Please the Word of God is not logic and can't be understood and explained by Logic but by faith, the same faith used by our fathers and patriots of faith to relate with God.

Mr Anony

Will your tatoo glorify God or your flesh? Will your tatoo save and bring, break men down at the feet of christ? I believe if you are ungry for lost souls and you have passion for christ, i believe tatoo should not be the next thing in your schedule.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Do you consider tatoos to be sin against our own bodies? If yes, could you provide scriptural backing for this?[/quote]Then the next thing is for us to provide Scriptural backing for watching Pono films, indecent habits,cocaine sniffing and hard drugs etc. In as much a believer knows so well that a certain behavior and habit are known with unbelievers. He should desist from those behavior so that he will stand distinct from them. You dont have to look into the bible for backing before you know what you are doing his wrong if TRUELY YOU ARE INDEED SAVED AND REGENERATED.

The bible says we are in the world but not of this world. therefore we should distinct ourselves from every habits that will contend with our faith.

At this level of your spiritual growth Anony I dont believe you should be using this phrase "could you provide scriptural backing for this?" used by children in faith. If you go on smoking, tatooing how will you convince men of the world that you are different and from another kingdom in heaven and you are heavenly focus.

I can likewise take cocaine before preaching since i want to glorify God.

Bro Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

There are somethings that we should not find in the mouth and with those matured in faith at all and at all. The day I see my mentor in the Lord with a Yahoozee hair cut and he says its not in the bible not to put on such, then its the day i stop attending the church he presides.

and in Heb 12 : 1: Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Sooo for us to know it as a sin, the bible must call it a sin.... I am dissappointed with someone i hold in high esteem.

We should be careful with this Faith we say we profess and conviction we receive.

A parable is [1] a succinct story, in prose or verse, which illustrates one or more instructive principles, or lessons, or (sometimes) a normative principle.
A parable is a short tale that illustrates universal truth, one of the simplest of narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an action, and shows the results. It often involves a character facing a moral dilemma, or making a questionable decision and then suffering the consequences. Though the meaning of a parable is often not explicitly stated, the meaning is not usually intended be hidden or secret but on the contrary quite straightforward and obvious
- WIKIPEDIA

I believe Jesus had to use Parables to drive in his point to his audience so that they will understand the context and truth he is trying to pass across. Secondly He understands by the wisdom of God that some of the words He speaks are beyond what the simple man can understand and had not seen before. Taking a look at all this parables he uses those normal and things they know and that happens every day in their society to explain what they don't know and cannot see, so making it difficult for them to doubt but can only believe or reject those messages.
If His Parables were lies and cannot be true or cannot happen, there is no reason for him to tell them because He will understand they will know He is not telling the truth and will get them confused the more. So all the Parables told by Christ might had happened or can happen or is happening at that present time.

Dont let us forget there are two wisdoms highlighted in the scriptures; The wisdom of God and the wisdom of this world.
And the two can not be same. The formal (wisdom of God) can explain the later but the wisdom of this world can never comprehend the Wisdom of God.

The wisdom of God is based on Faith,the Spirit of truth and reality, while the Wisdom of this world is based on mere reasoning and logic and only limited to this world.

So looking at the parables, Christ used the wisdom of God based on the fundanmentics of the truth to make an analogy of what is in this world and out of this world.

ijawkid: The only way stephen was able to see Jesus sitting at the right hand of his Father was either through a vision or revelation........stephen never had a periscope.....

And please stick to the visions and revelations in the bible alone,it would help reduce the many persons who just believe any story they hear because its about heaven......

Be content with the scriptures.........in the past when servants of God were given revelations and visions it was recorded for our sakes.....

Was there anywhere in that bible verse that recorded Stephen was in a trance, vision or revelation? I understand the way you twist scirptures to your thoughts but there is no way you can do this.

When Peter was in a Trance of the unclean animals it was recorded that Peter was in a trance.
John was given a revelation and the bible spelt it out.
On mount of transfiguration when Peter saw Moses and Elijah, the bible didnt say he was in a vision or revelation.

Then why do you have to add to the bible and of call the bible a liar.

frosbel: Why is it so difficult to agree with the bible in all it's simplicity , that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD ?

Jesus Christ was born as a MAN without a human father hence his divinity , but with a human mother hence his humanity.

He was not a pre-existent angel or a pre-existent God , he is the Son of GOD.

Under normal circumstances , if we wanted to know someone a little more, we will ask him questions about himself/herself and and also their closest friends and family members.

Now , when we apply this simple logic to Jesus Christ , what did he say about himself ?

He called himself Son of MAN , the way the truth and the life, the one who is to come etc , but he never once called himself GOD or an Angel.

What about his closet friends and family , they called him the Messiah, Christ , God's anointed one, Son of GOD , but never did they speak about a pre-existent Jesus who was either a GOD or an angel.

Even demons who should know better , never once called him an angel or GOD , they always called him Son of the most high.

Scripture is so so simple and yet we have made it so complex that many babes in Christ including some adults are deceived with the volumes and volumes of twisted theology trying to explain concepts that do not exist.

It is time you think for yourself, read the bible for yourself, ask God for wisdom and stop defending the creeds and beliefs of your organisation.

This is not what we want, we want truth which is in JESUS .

Jesus Christ is a glorified ADAM , the Lord of Lords , King of Kings, our High priest and saviour.

Frosbel I told you to discard the word LOGIC when explaining the things of God they are beyond human knowledge and God can not be calculated and subjected to human philosophy, law and order please.

Then if you still want to hang on that then you have to prove by logic. How is it possible for God to have a Son, is He married or does He have a wife? By human logic a man can not give birth alone without insermination of any type.

Show me in the bible where it was written that God conceived Jesus for 9 months before you referring him has Son of GOD?

How Logicically can a spirit pass through a woman's fertilization organs and make her conceive?

Let us start with these first.

ijawkid: Stephen was also given a revelation......

How possible is it for stephen to have seen Yahweh and his son sitting @ his right hand all the way from the earth if not through a vision or a revelation??.........eh??.....

OncÉ again I'll tell you guys:::::be content with the revelations and visions that are found in the bible and the bible alone........we don't need any extra visions from anonymous persons..........

Its because of not being content with the scriptures that many believe that in hellfire,satan is with a pitch fork stabbing the hell out of hellfire occupants and that MJ and pope john paul are roasting seriously under that condition.........

________________________

I'm waiting for the next hell fire story.....

I'll keep SMH!!!!!

I know you just do religion which i understand very well. You have no close experience with christ. So you are saying that God can not do anything He wishes to do to anyone He chooses.
Was it recorded that stephen was in a trance, seeing vision or revelation? You are not been truthful i tell you and you know it. The best of our thoughts are not near to God and He is an unquestionable God.The bible says His ways are not ours.
If God decides to do anything 100000000 Ijawkid can not stop Him. That is the reason why He is God or his your God stoppable?

ijawkid: But endure to the end first,then you can be so sure.........the apostles all endured till death,let OLA get to that stage....like I said he's a supporter of isreals shedding innocent blood....let him scrutinize his stand.....

On a good mood are you sure where you are going ijawkid? Because i believe it is when you are sure of where you are going you can endure to get there.

I read your article and i must say that the Test of our christian faith sometimes could shake our believe in Him and could also make us ask questions of our salvation.

1 Peter 4:12-13:
"Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy."

"My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:2)

But sometimes these trails comes for us to learn somthings about 1. God 2.Ourselves 3. Our environment. Also to equip us and strengthen us for other stage or phase of life. For sure God is not unaware of this silent times, but during this period we are refined like Gold (1 Pet 1:7) to be the best if only we allow him to cruise the Ship of our lives.

2 Corinthians 12:9-10
Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

To share it as testimony and encouragement to others that might be passing through what we have passed through so that their faith will be strong.

Lastly we should do more of encouraging ourselves in faith and elightening each other rather than killing ourselves with words.

frosbel: These pharisees from the false church system have totally lost the plot and aint gotta clue.


We can be assured that we are the children of GOD no doubt. But only him/her that endures till the end will be saved. Presumptuously arrogant fellows should be careful , they , like the Pharisees might be shut out of the kingdom.

Even Paul was not this proud.

"No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." - 1 Corinthians 9:27

"All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." - Matthew 10:22

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." - Matthew 7:21

The first two bible verses are not talking about conviction, but holding on to the faith receive through salvation irrespective of trivials, tribulation and trails. At a point in your christian journey you should be able to know your standing with God and what you need to do to grow more in Him as paul will always say.
Even the last bible verse you quoted refers to many that call the name of the lord in disguise for the attrocities they do in the dark. They are Wolves in sheep clothing they deceive men, but they know they are not serving the true God.

But for a TRUE child of God spirit filled should know with all confidence as bro paul said that "A CROWN AWAITS HIM" his standing with God and where he is going.

Chapter 7, verses 50-58
50 Didn’t my hand make all these things?’
51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so you do.
52 Which of the prophets didn’t your fathers persecute? They killed those who foretold the coming of the Righteous One, of whom you have now become betrayers and murderers.
53 You received the law as it was ordained by angels, and didn’t keep it!”
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 and said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed at him with one accord.
58 They threw him out of the city, and stoned him. The witnesses placed their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Everything is possible by God.

How did Stephen knew it was God he saw? Simple He was filled with the Holyspirit and right there he saw what the people around him could not see. When God decide to do anything He needs no excuse excuse from anybody, religion or not, no law can stop him.
When you are filled with the Holyspirit from God, God Himself can show you anything and take you anywhere.

ijawkid: Until the end comes no one is sure of his or her salvation.........it is he that endures to the end that will be saved....besides someone like you who supports wars and killings in this present world might not have his name in the book of the lamb.....you better scrutinize your stand...........

You are sure of your Salvation when you have the Holyspirit within you, that will convict and convince you of your standing with God. He will bring everything to your remembrance and will always hhelp you as promised by Christ.

Logicboy03: God didnt stop the floods in USA and Nigeria also.


Let us imagine Noahs flood. Numerous infants screamining in terror and struglling as their lungs are filling up with water. Choking and dying slowly for sins that they are yet to understand. For sins that their parents committed!

Man has is responsibilites, roles and duties to play.
God has His own responsibilities as well.

Why is Man not fulfilling his own roles, while pushing the blame to God? Man responsibilities to God is to Obey and do God's will, while leave the remaing to God.

If only 20 of Logicboy will faithfully obey and pray to God in real truth to ill the land then let leave the remaining to God.

Logicboy03: 1) Scienitists dont claim to know the number of stars in the glalaxy! They only estimate based on certain assumptions on the stars tey have studied so far. You claim to know god as a fact with not even one shred of evidence for him

2) Omnpotence does not exist (self-refuting paradox) therefore an omnipotent being or god can not exist.

3) Is Jesus god or not? That is still a battle within christianity

4) A natural disaster but doesnt god send natural disasters in the bible? Why is he not involved in stopping the earthquakes or tsumnamis of today?

1. If Scientist can't claim to know the numbers of stars then how can they claim that God doesnt exist?
2. If Omnipotence does not exist then what made the world exist for more than billion years( scientist claimed) ago and still existing?
3. Whether Jesus is God or Not atleast the first step is that they accepted Jesus exist.
4. Your scientist also had provened that some of these natural disasters are as a result of the environment polution, degradation and disturbance caused by Man.

This also happened during IBB era- People came out to cry that they want him to continue.
This happened during Abacha- 1 million man march for Abacha to stay as a civilian president.
This happened again during Obasanjo's 8 years rule.- Some said they will die if Obasanjo doesnt go for a third time.

Which way Nigeria? Those enjoying from the pot of corruption wants it to continue.

Originalsly: Sad. Bad roads are everywhere and no doubt is partly to be blamed. My concern is the truck carrying the container. If the trucks are not fitted to carry containers why are they allowed to especially when the roads are terrible? If this truck was fitted the entire truck would have rolled over. I guess there was no chains or straps to secure the container....who knows...maybe the container was shifting all along until it eventually slid off he truck. An accident that was waiting to happen....not the first nor would it be the last.

The issue is the Bad road, come to apapa you will see even the container falling with the truck when it is properly latched.

This is a normal and usual occurence on Cocoanut- Trinity route of the Apapa oshodi Express way. The state of the Nigeria road is the reflection of the state of our government and governance, if we pay taxes and the road can not be put in good condition then its an outright failure of an irresponsible government.

Lives are not being valued in this part of the world for a road to be left destroyed for more than 6 months is EVIL AGAINST HUMANITY by our Government.

They make laws only against the people and not laws that will define and enforce their responsibilities to the citizens.

If Lagos state for example can make laws and enforce such laws on Federal roads whats is stopping them from repairing this roads that are death traps instead of playing polities with human lives. This is the same route that port landing tows are collected by lagos state thugs.

Goshen360: Many things like burnt offering also existed before the law. Animal Sacrifices existed before the law. Building stone altars existed before the law. etc. Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints. Today's church offering doesn't even share anything among believers. Think about that.



Spiritual principles There is nothing spiritual giving - it is physical. Money is physical. Crops and animals are physical. The serve physical needs not spiritual. I don't understand this your "spiritual principle" stuff.



Why don't you wait till we all finish our exposition in this Hebrews chapter 7 before you jump to conclude tithing still exist. Even to the Jews, tithing had come to an end, not to talk of Christians. I thought you wrote an article that the "Law is Abolished". So when the law is abolished, why do only tithe still remain. God has a financial plan for His church and it is achieved through giving - money, not crops and animal.



Who are the men Jesus told to tithe His disciples or Christian....NT Christianity did NOT start until AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ. So who are the men Jesus told to tithe?



You need to put the above statement side-by-side with this your statement and let's screen both if they tally,




I placed both statements together. Look at it, was Melchizedek that Abraham gave tithe to doing the work of the ministry Okay, we agree the priest of old are doing the work of the ministry, serving in the temple right. Okay. Now, you quoted 1 Corinthians 9:13-14,



This verse is very clear enough but unfortunately has been the most twisted scriptures to justify tithing. Paul never mentioned tithe or tithing here. Paul clearly was making a comparison of those who "partake of things of the temple and altar" and how they are being cared for to "those who preach the gospel". Look at the scripture again, it say and compare....."live of the things of the temple and altar" COMPARED TO ...."live of the GOSPEL". Does living of things of temple and altar EQUALS live or living of the GOSPEL

1. You have not really defined what God's Law is and you wrongly assumed that every and all activity and God's words and ways that existed before Christ are the law and they are automatically abolished. So it will be great for you and us to highlight all the laws given by God.

Pls i Will still come back. Excuse me for a while. thanks

When Solomon was building the temple of the lord, God specifically told him what he wanted. People where given in Gold, silver and the best of gifts from the Land to build for God. I believe they all saw it as part of what God wanted from them.

Tell me Goshen360 was all these abolished under your so called definition of the Law or was it part of God's Law?

@Goshen pls kindly educate us on this questions.

Is Tithing a Command or a law?
What is the difference between the commands as given by God and His laws?
Did Christ came to abolish the law or through Him the law will be fulfilled?
What was the laws he came to abolish and for what reasons(pls name them)?
Tithe was given for a cause, Is there a substitute for that cause?

Let us start from this question first.

It is always nice when we ask the sciptures questions when reading and studying, it gives us a better understanding and the motive for which it was written. It is when we get the context we have a better view of the mind of God concerning a particular issue as written.

Chukwudi44 lost his battle despite he is the umpire.

To the doctors in the House and to our mothers.

1. How can a woman that delivered still remains a virgin?
2. Are the catholics saying after Joseph took her in as a wife, Joseph was just reading newspaper through-out the marriage with mary and he didnt do anything with her?

26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because[a] the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[b] for those who are called according to his purpose.

Onless you are saying the Holy Spirit is the Mary the bible was referring to. Untill then from the bible verse above, its only the Holyspirit that can play that role of interceding for every child of God. All others i repeat all others are from Men's tradition and from the den of devil

illiest: Read your bible thoroughly and digest it dont read just a section. and become a protestant.Reverence is respect so you can give respect to your pastor if he merits it. If you don’t understand English understanding the bible will be difficult for you. We are not here to talk about what you have done for God and what I have done. Only God can tell. Yes let’s take it that you have done more congratulations and keep it up. Can you also name the things in heaven ? let me know what I have used that is in heaven. Mary even asked everyone to listen to Jesus during the wedding in canan , Mary also bowed and cried under the cross he was crucified. I have succeeded in life i tell you. Jesus is my saviour and in only Him i trust. Mary is my mother too and your mother cos she gave birth to our Lord Jesus Christ.You can argue from now till for ever you cant still change the truth. and ill honour Her for ever and she will continue to pray for me and intercede for me.no one says she is the way to God. Jesus is the only way to God. and Jesus is God. Mary the mother of Jesus can also help pray to Jesus cos she is the mother . Brain storm and think and stop your funny arguments .... i wonder why am arguing with you . that attends a mushroom church.

Mary is dead, you cant pray for a dead woman to pray for you. Infact, she praying for you is the highest form of idolatary. What you need is faith in christ and you shall tell your mountain to move. Peter never prayed through Mary when he told the lame to rise and work, paul never prayed through Mary. Then why will you pray through mary for your prayers to be answered.
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helps our weakness: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Please check if this verse is in the catholic bible and tell me the meaning

illiest: God has tried to make you follow Him and yet you dont. so please leave those that have chosen to follow. Yes God made a choice and she agreed only Her was used as a vessel for that purpose that means She is great. look there is nothing you can say really. You said the only difference was that she was used as a vessel. Yes thats the difference . and there is no other like Her.you are a vessel in the hands of the creator yes but u can never be compared with the saints your pastors can not . and non can be compared with the Virgin Mary cos she gave birth to our Lord Jesus Christ. Please read the bible very well. your arguement holds no water. Jesus remains supreme.

That means your religion or faith is not complete if you do not crave the image of Abraham (the father of all nation), God's friend. Even David the Man afetr Gods heart.Even Moses, Joseph and all the vessels God used in the bible.

Get there Images and do same you do for Mary.

illiest: Catholics worship only Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour. If you give reverence to your pastor and he prays for you too why will i not do more for saint peter or paul that actually saw Jesus and Virgin Mary that carried Jesus in her womb and was there under the cross when He was crucified. No one worships The Virgin Mary.The Catholics Honor her.We don't have to wait till the Angel instructs us.The fact that the Angel hailed her its implied that its good and we follow .The Fact that she carried our Lord Jesus in her Womb she is blessed.and we will honour her as our mother too. you have your womans picture in your phone or your idols like football messi, some have beyonce the mucisian some have there father and mother . why will you not do more for the saints and mother of God ?

I must not give reverence to my pastor. I must give reverence to God alone and alone. what have you done for God that its enough? tell me, give me 200 things you have done for God and I will give you 10000 things God has and still doing for you till now.
When God said thou shall not make, use any thing in heaven or earth or underneath the earth He knew what He was saying and He is the same yesterday, today and forever and not change those words because He had never changed.
Mary is just a vessel that God used and He had not and has not given her any power to carry anybody's prayer anywhere. The bible says we have given Man a name above every names that in the NAME OF JESUS everyknees must bow and every tongue must confess.....in heaven and earth. ( Mary's name was never mentioned).
The bible says He has being exalted about every..... (Mary's name was not mention)
The Bible says I(jesus) am the way the truth and life, no one cometh to the father (not mary your mother) accept through the Son.
Heb 4: 15-16 please read.

Please read and not just carry the bible.

illiest: Mark 3:31-35 : When he said these are your brother its dosnt mean they are biological brothers.thats why in verse 33 the apostle asked who is my brother and my mother and in verse 35 Jesus said for who so ever that has done the will of God the same is my brother and sister and mother. Read your bilbe well pls.

Mary was born like every woman and human being, the only difference was that God decided to use her as a vessel for his purpose just like the purpolar saying that "we are all Vessel in the Hands of the creator".

Once we allow ourselves to be use by God then we are Vessel of Honour in the hands of God and not different from others being used. If Mary had rejected God's offer, God would have used any other person.

So all Honour should go to God not the vessel He used as a symbol of honour.

illiest: Please read your bible well. Luke 1 31-50 Even the angel of God hailed her. even when she visited Elizabeth it was said that from that time all Generations will call her blessed. Choosing her to bear Jesus is not by chance .Blessed is she amongst women.God can use any one thats what u said sorry it cant change because she was the one. The mother of Jesus Christ.Yes The church also hails the apostles some churches were named after them and they are also saints. You cant take away the beauty and perfection of the catholic church. You can remain ignorant its your cup of tea. The catholic church accepts every one thats holy for God. even a nigerian Cyprain tansi was made a saint. so Brain storm

Remember Jesus appeared to Paul on his way to damascus and paul was able to preach the gospel and did alot of work for christ. So Should we now start to create an image of paul and be bowing and praying he should carry our prayers to Christ?

All man still call her blessed up till tommorrow but remember the angel never gave an instruction for us to crave an Image of her and start idolizing her. Jesus never worshiped his mother, and never commanded any form of worship during and after His ressurection. These are Man made tradition to shift the focus away from God and christ i repeat and this is part of the devices of the devil.

chukwudi44: just imagine heretical JWs responsible for 90% of the false propecies in the world running their mouth here.

@bookmark

So you actually believe all imagges are idolatorous.Y is it then that you have chosen to ignore images produced by various churches and peoples and chosen to focus on catholics alone? Don't I smell hypocrisy,envy and sheer hatred here?

@benimoore

Yes we ask mary to pray for us to Jesus and we have no apology for that.The bible says Jesus is the only madiator between God and man and not between man and Jesus.so there is nothing wrong in going to Jesus through Mary just like most of you hypocrites go through your pastors and brethren to Jesus

This is heresy, so where in the bibile does God or Jesus pointed out that the only mediator between Jesus and man is Mary? PLease and please have you forgotten when Jesus said in his own words that come to me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest not come to mary and she will come to me to give you rest.

This are man made tradition from the devil that had impeded the focus on God and Christ, and people are ready to keep the tradition more that keeping the faith in God through Holiness and righteousness.

Definition of an Idol worship from PEDIA "

[quote author] Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol, a physical object such as a cult image, as a god,[1] or practices believed to verge on worship, such as giving undue honour and regard to created forms other than God.[2] In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry may differ within and between them. In other religions the use of cult images is accepted, although the term "idolatry" is unlikely to be used within the religion, being inherently disapproving. Which images, ideas, and objects constitute idolatry is often a matter of considerable contention, and within all the Abrahamic religions the term may be used in a very wide sense, with no implication that the behaviour objected to actually consists of the religious worship of a physical object.

Behaviour considered idolatrous or potentially idolatrous may include the creation of any type of image of the deity, or of other figures of religious significance such as prophets, saints, and clergy, the creation of images of any person or animal at all, and the use of religious symbols, or secular ones. In addition, theologians have extended the concept to include giving undue importance to aspects of religion other than God, or to non-religious aspects of life in general, with no involvement of images specifically. For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. Man commits idolatry whenever he honours and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money etc."[3][/quote]