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All archaeology findings up to the scrolls written at the mount of patmos has pointed to the inherent, infallibility of the bible. You always debunk the bible with writings of people's postings and articles like you picking and misinterpreting the words of the bible. The bible can not be understood by a preconceived mind that has only come to pick errors. This were words breathe by the spirit of God and can only be understood by the spirit. You will continue to investigate, read and pick errors even for the next 1000 years , I bet you, you will never understand. So you will either live them like that or you pray for the spirit of God to interpret them to you, because he will give you answers we too can not give you.

Joagbaje: That's when some get offended when asked about their salvation , they say " we can't be sure until we get there"( heaven)

Agreed Joagbaje, That its the reason why the salvation of some people are still questionable because they don't understand or are not genuinely saved, which has caused a lot of decay to the faith, even has Paul pointed out to Timothy when living for Macedonia.

mkmyers45: Be quiet...who told you apes dont have a language of communication? They think and are very intelligent but it has limitations..even human intelligence has a limit. Arent u using something from a racist scientist?

You have just short yourself in the leg. So you know we are limited. LOL

ijawkid: @goshen...my bro u also got it wrong...

If d holy spirit gave those prophets d visions and so they shuldnt be able to see d holyspirit when ever that vision of heaven is given to them then u got it real wrong...
You think that spirit is confined to a place or space

Let me ask u this..

Was it not Jesus who gave John the revelations he saw and penned down??

But how come was john still able to see Jesus standing close to Yahweh??
And where was d holy spirit

Remember u guys have d full job to show d holy spirit is much as a person as Yahweh and Jesus is to complete d trinity formula...

And these visions are showing us something contrary.....

Don't blame me for asking these questions always...

I am so sure like I told u that d trinity was adopted in d 3rd century and I'm so sure of its source...

And I know some of d verses of d scriptures has been toyed with over time to enforce d trinity...

So many faults wit d dogma....

And so many have to resolve to using science or spirit,soul and body like u do to explain it..lol


But remember whenever 1 dies,he dies along with all the 3 things u have said make up a man...both his soul,body and spirit or thoughts die completely..

But when Jesus died,Yahweh was very much still alife....infact he was the one who ressurected Jesus if not Jesus would have stayed in d grave far longer than that...

Why are you so sure in what other people put down and you decided to throw out other explanations with a closed heart. That is, no matter the evidences put forward, your belief is what you want to believe in. You have not come to know as your post seems to sound, but you have come to refute and make every evidences put before you fake. Before we were born, so many generation had tried to twist and distort the fact, some even with wrong interpretation, but the truth will always stand no matter the trials. Goshen360 had given you a detailed analogy and explanation has recorded in the Bible, you either accept it all live it.And wait until God himself explains to you.

logicboy: God doesnt exist. Even yo can not describe God. The vacuum that you claimed to have is fear of the uncertain because there is no God.

What i experienced my dear friend was not fear. Can you fill fear? Okay if it fear read the remaining experience.

I believed I wasn't just created to live this life the way several people had lived, some their impact felt and some just went like that. There must be a definite purpose to my life that I have not yet discovered, or maybe it's only me, well I just knew there is a purpose to this life and for me to know I must find the "thing" that started life.
I had forgotten this thought until one night, it was heavy on me I was disturbed in my heart and began to shed tears in the sincerity of my heart.
Something happened that day that changed the course of my belief. My mother came to my place the next morning before going to work, she said she had a dream that I was in a thick darkness, looking for my way and I was beating about in the darkness, and when I couldn’t find my way out, I became tired and was giving up. She said she saw a man with a candle coming to help me out of the dark, the man was calling my name, but I couldn’t hear him. She said she woke up from the dream she began to pray, and she said God told her to come and pray for me. I shivered I couldn't believed it because nobody in this world knew what I went through the night. I am telling you Nairaland nobody, I repeat nobody knew it. How could God knew what I went through despite my unbelief in his existence. I broke down I sobbed like a child, my mother was crying with me though she didn’t understand why I was crying. From that day I believed in him, and I am very happy I did. I am telling you, to me then what happened was just like a, i cant just explain it.

@logic

I am sorry i will get back to you soon. One of my boss just died last night, i got the message when i was typing.

I spent all night thinking about you logicboy, about some one that had made up his mind and hardened is heart against his creator that knew him even before his mother conceived him. I wouldn't feel surprised because many of us had passed that stage and experience in life. I came to a point in my life where I will argue and stubbornly refute anything about God, creation, process, life, evolution etc. because i was a strong believer in COINCIDENCE. That life is not real and everything happens out of coincidence and things just happened not that they were planned but it just happened out of no where and the trend will continue and in a circle. I was living Good and happy at my life, i was careful about people i moved with, how i talked, what i eat so that i wouldn't be trapped in the circle of coincidence of the negative sphere. But all this never filled the vacuum inside me. I believe there was more to life than what no man can imagine or explain...my principle of life and coincidence can not and couldn't explain.
I will continue with my real life experience. I don't want to post a long line, am telling you every words I put down are real.

Why are you always creating treads that is anti-God? Why are you fighting with someone you don't believe in and exists. You have said it on numerous occasions that you don't believe in creation, then live it at that. Create treads that will add value to life since you always believe that is what atheist are known for(am yet to one of your tread). And droop your immature arguments

WHY DO YOU LIKE TELLING LIES

THE BOY IS NOT INTELLIGENT AT ALL. YOU ARE USING A HALF BAKED INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW DID'T AND CAN NOT GIVE ALL ACCOUNTS OF ORIGIN TO DEBUNK ANOTHER FACT. IS THAT NOT ABSURD

davidylan: Oh dear, this guy just posts like a petulant 2 yr old.
The fact that tiktaalik has been exposed as a fraud is enough reason to scientifically question the veracity of these spurious claims you have on video. As a scientist you shld know that a youtube video does not a fact make. Please post the scientific papers justifying your claims.

Just 2 examples of former human "transitional" fossils that have been exposed to be frauds - Lucy, piltdown man e.t.c.

Pls read before exposing yourself for a fool.

i ONCE TOLD HIM, HE THINKS LIKE A SUCKLING, YOU JUST CONFIRMED IT AGAIN LOL.

LogicBoy my dear friend bye for today

logicboy: Evolution is not meant to explain the origin of matter or how the world came about. The fact that it debunks your creationist tale from the bible doesnt mean that it is meant to explain such origins.

Evolution is just simply change in some characteristics of organisms to be short- it is not meant to explain the origin of matter

If it doesn't explain then how can it debunk. You are a learned fellow i believe. If a theory will debunk another theory, it will explain the limitation in the theory and the origin it wanted to debunk before it can be an authority in the field of knowledge.

You can't debunk a documented fact with error, it is fallacy. And your tone of the side of the evolution you supported means that it was deliberate because you choose it not because of its credibility. Someone like would want something that could be proven in all sphere of credibility

Logic Mind: a really bigger mighty bang.

Let me put it to you this way:
everything is inside something else and are not unique.
my organs are inside me. i'm inside my cave, my cave is inside the earth, the earth is inside the milky way, the milky way is inside our expanding universe, logic tells me that our universe must be inside something else which in itself is inside something else and so on. So i believe there was not one big explosion but innumerable, and billions more are still happenning every second as we speak.

You are thinking like a suckling child?

logicboy: I dont have any religion. I am not a scientist and I didnt need science to become an atheist.


Evolution is not meant to explain the origin of matter. There is the big bang theory for that.


Your bible is not even a credible explanation for the origin of matter. Neither is it a credible evidence for God.

The wheels of your religion are coming off;

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/13381016/pell-says-adam-and-eve-didnt-exist

That means you also dwell on a believe that gives only half baked information. Why can't what you believe in prove what you believe? And you know it couldn't give some explanation It's absurd

Logic Mind: please recheck the pulse of your brain.

You are very funny my brother at least you are answering my post, that put 2 of us in the correct frame of mind.

logicboy:

I told you, you will never understand

This is too bad, and disgusting my heart weep and cry for my nation. Are will comfortable with the level. THIS PEOPLE ARE HIRED AND ARE NOVICE.

logicboy: Have you gone mad?

with your words you are giving me a benefit of doubt. we are not fighting but as brothers you are trying to share some important words with me that you believe i should know and think about. If i am a mad man wont you help me, if you have being doing all you said you are doing.

logicboy: If man has a conscience, does it prove God or the bible?

It has proven that you believe in only one thing that you do not see. As you used it as if their is another person in me telling me of my guilts but i do not see him but i know he's there.

logicboy: ?

Wow, my comment must have touched you. It's your guilty conscience speaking. Unlike you, I do voluntary work for a charity that helps children in war torn countries in Africa. You know that you are heartless with your fake christianity and that's why you think that I dont care about people who were sold as slaves.


Thanks, you have made my day by exposing your heartless self

YOU DON'T DO GOOD OR BAD BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN OF NOT, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE HEART AND COMPASSION TOWARDS PEOPLE, ITS A REAR GIFT THAT PUT A SMILE ON THE FACES OF PEOPLE. I THANK GOD THAT YOU KNOW AND CONFESSED MAN HAS A CONSCIENCE.

logicboy: ?

Wow, my comment must have touched you. It's your guilty conscience speaking. Unlike you, I do voluntary work for a charity that helps children in war torn countries in Africa. You know that you are heartless with your fake christianity and that's why you think that I dont care about people who were sold as slaves.


Thanks, you have made my day by exposing your heartless self

I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND COMPASSIONATE GESTURE TO HELP A MAN AND BROTHER IN NEED. THAT I DO ALSO, I HAVE DEDICATED PARTS OF MY SAVINGS TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED AND TO FIND AND CREATE JOBS WHICH I BELIEVE ITS THE ESSENCE OF LIFE. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVE MAN WAS NOT CREATED BY LOVE BUT JUST FELL FROM NOWHERE, HOW ON HEART WILL YOU CONVINCED ME YOU TRULY DO ALL THESE YOU SAID. AND WHAT WILL BE THE ESSENCE OF LIFE IF I TRY SAVING A SOUL AND I CAN'T SAVE MINE?

logicboy: Typical christian; "I dont care how christianity came to Nigeria"

You dont care about the people that were sold under slavery with the support of the churches and the bible. You dont care about the people murdered or maltreated because of christianity. You dont care that the bible supports slavery. You dont care that the bible supports sexism.


The day shall come when your children/loved ones will be maltreated under the guise of religion and there will be people who could help you that will say "I dont care"

I laugh, if you truly care and have pains for these people and wants to save lives, you will do more than just typing on the keyboard. How will you save a man or people that are being subjected into slavery, how will you save lives that are dying and being maltreated by our brothers cause of greed, corruption and lust of this world, how will you show love to the man that needs a token to eat, and the woman dying of cancer when with your HEART YOU HAD BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE NOT CREATED BUT THEY FELL AND CAME FROM NOWHERE? Indirectly you inflict pains on them by your confessions and the hardness of your heart.

logicboy: You operate in 2 dimensions? You are a loser then. I operate in 3d (3 dimension) where only real people exist.

How did christianity come to Nigeria? You are the one that remains foolish to the truth around you. Your religion is a slave trade religion.


Answer the question; how did christianity come to Nigeria?

Good for you, congrats.

I don't care how it came to Nigeria, because I don't care how i came to this world but the most important thing is what I make use of the opportunity given to live in this world.

logicboy: God doesnt exist (I'm an atheist, remember?)


You agree that the bible is a is a manual for life and the word of God, then how come it supports slavery, contains rape and genocide and it is unfair to women?

Okay by your confession. That doesn't move a mountain, nor add sand to the shores of the sea, nor to the birds of the air, nor to the leaves on the tree, nor to life.

But I know something for sure, and I know with every breathe that comes from me, that with the same words you wrote with your hands and hear on this day will stand before you. I know this with every blood that flows through my veins.

SO how will you know and understand a God that your heart and mind says doesn't exist?

You can not understand by the letters but by the spirit.

You operate in one dimension and I operate in 2 dimensions. So the things of the spirit will remain foolish in your eyes because you can't, you just can't, its impossible for you to come into that reality. Its not given to you because of your unwillingness. Its not only in the letters but by the spirit.

logicboy: Stop babbling and answer the issues raised by me and the other poster

Go and ask God, because you will not and never understand until you open your heart to know and understand not to argue, mock nor blaspheme.

Its also the WORD of GOD read in letters and only understood by the Spirit.
Its God's revelation to man of the past and the manifestation of things to come.
Its life inscribed in the heart that its willing to know and understand God.
its the wisdom that guides the man to the reality of the unseen and gives confident to fulfill the seen.
Its gives in detail the will of God, understanding it, working by it and walking in it.
Its the Word that gives Hope to man, Faith to man, Light to man, Strength to him in face of adversity.
Its the Only Word that exists before it was written.
Its gives understanding only to the simple the mystery of GOD ( father, Son, Spirit).
Its through it all Life will be Judged; those that believe or not.

logicboy: Clearly, if you cant see the difference between a logical conclusion and nay-saying (people of the past claiming that we couldnt make aeroplanes), you have a problem. I even mentioned "cyborgs" which would be the exception to my notion that machines can not self improve.


Wow, you keep failing. Is it because I'm too much for you?

Your level of ignorance and exposure is what amuses me.

Heathen: your statement has nothing to do with machines self-improving. Advances in aviation was brought by man and not by planes.

When you don't understand something, you ask. When it comes to technology, there is no limit to what man can do, so you don,t say " CAN NOT" because man within minutes can make advancement and changes. Who ever believed before you were born that a gadget as simple as IPAD will revolutionize the computer world, who will believe that man could get to the deepest place in the ocean? So if you don't understand where the argument is coming from you don't make blind judgement.