₦airaland Forum

Fineman87:
Please leave me alone. I am not Realman87 o. You are yoruba; that is why you have been talking about 'collective destiny'. No SE/SS person will call northerners chess masters. They are not and can never be my master. And the north doesnt have the population. Good bye.

I never said the north are our masters oh!
I said they are masters of political permutations (a.k.a chess) in the Nigerian context! I also said they're not the only masters and that we have masters down south too! Imagine if tinubu had the backing of amaechi, okorocha and oshiomole? Do you think they'll discard him so easily? Buhari without the backing of the rest of the northern elite is no different from tinubu and that's why, until he had their support in 2015, he was nowhere near aso rock! We as southerners should remember that we are more alike with than different from each other and unite!

Laburos:
The current northern Political Leaders have figured out the Need the Middle belt morethan any part of the Country hence the support of New political leaders here
Have Bacher, (Adamawa) dogara (Bauchi) the likes of dalung and Gov Lalong of Plateau Gov. Ortom of Benue Yaya Belloof Kogi, soft landing for Saraki etc. All this are permutation against 2019 and beyond.

Northerners are good with political games the lessons of 2011 is still fresh in them

sad but also true and that's why a united southern opposition will prevent any laws not in our interests from being passed

Realman87:
You are deceiving yourself. I can puncture this crap you wrote but its not worthwhile. The SS/SE will NOT join the SW. Enjoy your day.

Maybe they won't but they should for the sake of our children, I don't want my children to be more qualified for a position and be bossed by a less qualified and uneducated fulani in the future! Think about it!

Fineman87:
Let me tell you something. If buhari had given the sw what they wanted and carried them along. The sw would have supported the marginalization of ss/se. You dont know those people. They r only crying now because they sw are also getting the short end of the stick. Gosh. I will never support such an alliance with them. Let them fight alone or let each region be on its own. No alliance too between north and ss/se. Every region to its tent. In any election, let the candidates campaign nationwide and sell their manifesto. We must reject any alliance with sw.

I disagree!
I know these people! I grew up and live with them and argue with them on a daily basis, and true they obviously and evidently would have enjoyed the maligning of the SS/SE had they gotten what they wanted! But the question is what do they want? And try and differentiate it from "what does tinubu want?" Because despite all appearances, tinubu isn't the south west! There's also fayose, afenifere, yoruba council of elders and many more! Should we abandon them too because of tinubu?

The SS/SE have been fighting alone for some time now, how has it been working out? Not too well i tell you, how about we work together as a united south instead? Or this blame game circle will keep repeating itself!

Fineman87:
OK sir. Continue calling them chess masters or they are your chess masters. As for me, they r chess learners. Herd mentality doesn't make people masters of anything. Individual skill does.

Remember we are talking about politics here and politics is a game of numbers above anything else and the herd will always defeat the individual in politics irrespective of that individuals skills!
We must unite and become a herd to counter the northern herd

Fineman87:
I doubt that you are from the ss/se. If you really are, you will not be seeking the sw so early. Maybe you are from edo.

Lol

And what if i am from edo? An edo man is still more brotherly to you and less likely to kill you than a kastina man!

The unification must be now not later because trust me, the events that culminated in tinubus cutting down didn't start yesterday and must have been going on for long including the analysis on what effects it would have and how to counter those effects! The hausa/fulani behind this would have been canvassing for political support from both the SS/SE against when they deal with tinubu and must have their machineries in place in our regions already, but we shouldn't allow their machineries deceive us and this your anger towards the SW is what northerners are banking on! Control your anger and don't let it control you! Use your sense and let's unite!

Realman87:
That is not my problem. I am waiting HERE to face any hediott who expects the SS/SE to unite with the SW. It will never happen. Even in 2019, people like me will be fully ready (with all scholarly, historic and IT tools) to guide our people to their destiny. Let the slaves remain slaves.

I am one such hediot

We all need to be idi0ts now to be wise later

Put aside your sentiments and bitterness! Let's do what's right so our children won't become slaves and second class citizens in our great country! The cycle of betrayal and bitterness must end!

Realman87:
Tell them. I am waiting here on nairaland to puncture any such plan. Useless people who sold their future and generations for crumbs. These yaribas are eternally doomed. I swear ...

Not all the yoruba's mind you! Mostly the young ones and the illiterates who bought into the propaganda and believed what they were told!
The older and more educated like the afenifere and Yoruba Council Of Elders knew better and warned the rest but they were shouted down and insulted! Now that tinubu has been humiliated, the younger generation would come to political awakening and we must forgive and unite with them for our collective survival

EternalTruths:
SE/SS will never unite with Tinubu.

We won't

But we would unite with the southwest! We must for survival

Realman87:
I repeat. We will never enter such alliance with the SW. The North will work with the East. Nigeria is North+East. That is how the colonialists left Nigeria and that is how it will be. The SW were never in national politics, they rose because of the fall of the East after the war. Sorry. The SW must sojourn alone. Good luck to the SW....

You work with the north today, they discard you like used tissue tomorrow and work with the southwest tomorrow, the south looses, the north wins, I believe your post was made based on current political sentiments and you're smarter than it implies

Realman87:
There will be NO united South. The SW must fight the North alone...

I disagree

patriotic9jaboy:
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Yoruba leads, others follow

Yoruba leads is a fallacy

And let's pretend its true, then it won't be for long! Not in this climate!
And i know you think it is funny but believe me, tinubu isn't laughing right now! And neither should you!

Fineman87:
I understand you bro. But na due to their backwardness. Here in the south, we are educated, enlightened and independent minded. But if u look at d 2011 elections, Jonathan got reasonable votes in the north. So some northerners are independent minded too. Abeg, no call them chess masters again Abeg. It has an impact on their psyche and our psyche. They r far far below us.

Let's call a spade a spade, northern elites play "collective" long term politics so calling them chess masters is not out of place, southern politicians on the other hand specialise in "individual" short term politics and therein lies our failure! Calling northern politicians chessmasters shouldn't get us intimidated! It should help awaken us to the challenge we face and the realisation that as crafty as they are, we are craftier, we only choose to use our craftiness individually against each other hence we need to unify and shelve individual interests for group interests now!

I don't know whether you watch game of thrones or not, but you come of to me as an idealist! And in politics, idealists get mauled by realist brutally! Check house stark for confirmation!
So you insisting we are more enlightened than them is like house stark insisting they have more honour than other houses in westeros which while true, makes absolutely no difference in the long run! Make alliances of common interests accross the south and north central or get mauled like house stark! Now that is realism!

Fineman87:
The guy (Realman87 ) that said 'wisdom is not for sale' is very correct. Now is not time for southern unity to fight the north. They have all state institutions under their control. The yorubas should fight them alone. southern unity can come later.

My brother, the period between now and later is pregnant with many possibilities! If we leave them to suffer alone and they get used to it, then why will they be interested in unity later? They'll be used to the suffering and would rightly or wrongly feel the rest of the south abandoned them when they needed them most same as we are feeling betrayed by them when we needed them most! Two wrongs do not make a right! Let us swallow our pride, forgive each other and unite to survive

onatisi:
There is fire on the mountain. The presidency and the north will now move on to phase 2 of their plan. The bitter truth is in Nigeria politics,the president holds the aces .

Prophet onatisi

You no dey talk throway!

Only question is, which way forward?

My belief is a unified southern front is the only option, no other way!

Fineman87:
Abeg. No chess masters up north. Please we shouldn't engrave it on our minds that the northerners are chess masters in politics. They r not. Please, If they win the mental war, then they have won the political war. Please.

My brother make we talk true
Chess masters dey for both north and south with the major difference being, chess for north na team game while for south na individual game and until we decide to unite and play team game, we go continue to loose! For example, during election campaign, how many PDP governors for north campaign against buhari and for jonathan? .......... You see wetin i mean?
In the reverse case, which southern APC governor no actively campaign for buhari? From rachas to amaechi to fashola to aregbesola? Them no just campaign for am with mouth, dem campaign for am with money, na amaechi use dollars take buy votes when buhari take win nomination of APC instead of atiku while on the other hand northern PDP governors collect money for campaign from GEJ deposit am for their own private bank accounts.

Shey you still need any more evidence?

fulanimafia:
Your moniker and post have no nexus or correlation whatsoever.

You want to compare national development under a democracy with the regression expected under a military dictatorship?

Did it even occur to you that you're trying to justify the gargantuan failures of democratic leadership by southern civilians including an acclaimed PHD holder over 16 years ruling with the power of the constitution and compare it with the leadership given by uniformed jack booted soldiers running a junta, ruling by decrees and only trained to kill and destroy? Read the first paragraph again.

The people of Otueke and Ogoni who never had any clean up initiated or pipe borne water respectively over the last 16 years, will rather have these last 18 months of cleaning up the mess left by southern leadership led by their own kinsmen.

Any correlation between my moniker and post isn't your purview to correlate as i doubt you have the unbiased mindset and intelligence to make that analysis and besides, that was a decent attemt at deflection! Nice try
back to the topic

Leadership is leadership whether military or civilian! Or is china practising democracy? Why should the type of government determine whether or not if there is development if the leader has genuine interests in developing his nation? Mind you, development and not freedom/human rights is what we are discussing here! So answer my questions...... Why shouldn't Nigeria develop economically and infrastructurally under a military junta with the interest of developing it unless the interest was never there in the first place? Gowon's government and its massive infrastuctural strides comes to mind as an exemption but then again he was deposed! Not in the national interests but in the hausa/fulani hegemony interests!

For a government whose figurehead's touted incorruptability was the jingle sung during campaign, all the numerous accusations of corruption in his inner circle falling on deaf ears is interesting to say the least, so is the corruption accusations of the missing N2.8billion of 1978 and the perjury/lack of certificate that are yet to be disproved so who is he and the CPC to label PDP's 16 years as failed and corrupt i ask you?
On the facade of ogoni clean up........ Well, we residents here in Nigeria have been inundated with at least 24 months of propaganda so we recognise propaganda when we see one and that's that for that topic!

Dereformer:
why didn't you have this line of thought in 2015?

Check my previous posts! I am not yoruba and i am among those who said this will happen! Now that it has happened, it is good! Because our current young generation especially from the southwest will awaken politically and realise what their older generation were telling them before 2015! So now, the question is what happens after this, the arewa will want to co-opt the rest of the south politically with the pretence that the south west is the enemy and we should not let that happen! Because yesterday the south-south and south east were the enemy (maybe they still are) tomorrow it will be the south west, next tomorrow, who knows but one thing will remain constant, it will be the core north who decides who the enemy will be................... Unless we choose to wake up!!

ificatchmodeh:
Jagaban..from state to federal..back to state...
Buhari don really humble jagaban..guess his plan b is to play opposition..cos no more federal.. they've retire tinubu to his base.

But nawao..
Why Yourba's just d blab anyhow on their cards..
We never hear hausa/fulani's political plan or anything as relate to the political situation in apc..all of the just lock up..even lawal..tinubu's man.
Even tinubu's matter..na so dem silently seal am..jagaban himself no see am come..
Na why he burst..matter shock am..

My point be say..politics are not being discussed on the pages of papers..the west should understand that..
For every political move the make..the north is 10 time ahead.
Not jokes...

Na serious matter oh my guy, for every move we make the chess masters up north really dey 10 moves ahead so now dem go soon start to dey woo and cajole the south east and south south with political appointments and what not but make that one no fool us at all because them go still discard us later!
Be warned!

fulanimafia:
I'll overlook the insult with the assumption that you're just an over emotional kid.

First of all, you lack the logical basis, grounds and rationale to claim the North had failed Nigeria because the South has democratically led since 1999 for 16 years yet Nigeria is still this backward shithole where basic power and water supply remains a luxury....after 16 years of southern presidency from two different southern regions + the major legacy left was unmitigated corruption. The brain failure here is obvious.

Secondly, your allegation is baseless because politics is a game of interests and clearly some Yorubas now feel their interests are not being served by their current political configuration; were you expecting me to play ostrich and ignore the obvious reaction from the other end of the South?

Anyway you can keep filling this forum with your elementary political permutations but bear in mind that for every step you take, Arewa is a dozen steps ahead.

I never disputed that you weren't a dozen steps ahead! My mission here is to create awareness among the non political class in the south on where their true interests lie as they would be the ones deciding whom and who in the political class get to represent them!

Talking about brain failure, have you looked in the mirror lately? Your attempt to pretend that Nigeria started its existence in 1999 is hilarious at best and self deceiving also, your pretence that Nigeria was eldorado and incorrupt pre-1999 is same, so tell me, who were Nigeria's rulers before 1999 and where did they come from? What was the state of our economy @ 1999 and what was it @ 2015! Your failed narrative cum jingle of 16 years of failed and corrupt PDP leadership only works with the gullible uneducated shee-ple massed up north who are your robots and serfs and whom you subjugate with weaponised ignorance cum religious sentimentalism to do your bidding! I don't belong to that clique hence i can tell you that the supposed "16 years of failed and corrupt PDP leadership" doesn't look so failed and corrupt when compared to "18 months of successful and incorrupt CPC leadership" and i know because i unlike you, lives and works in Nigeria not the U.K! I and most other Nigerians, (hausa/fulani excluded for obvious reasons) will rather have the 16years back! Thank you!

48cents:
Tinubu is super crafty but national politics is something far complex, brutal and lethal


The abuja power brokers are on a planned attack to cut Tinubu to size and I won't be surprised if they Rig aketi in to sound it clear who is boss

Tinubu somewhat fell for Buhari"s antics of being apolitical, who would give him free hand to cart away the spoils of victory; but buhari like a cunny fox played along and now when no when expected attacks systematically.

Tinubu's latest reaction to Saraki"s major release from the court wahala, which was pursued deliberately by the Abuja tink tank to pacify Tinubu, has no effect on these ruthless mafia


The trust is lost; these are mind games. They expect tinubu to read the signs that he can't be in abuja what he is in Lagos and Osun


Tinubu's best place is with this alliance as the SS/SE won't be in a hurry to team up with him even of he offers to join the chorus for resource control...though tempting they would rather to deal with the proverbial lizards that come visiting after Tinubu brought home ant-infested gays

At least you got some facts right!

1. Tinubu like a logos PDP chieftain once said is a local ludo champion who went to single handedly try his luck against national chess champions!
(Keyword here being "ludo" which is a game of chance and "chess" being a game of tactics)

2. Tinubu's relevance even in the southwest after this will be as a mascot and figurehead, interests will be determined by consensus! And that is as it should be

3. Eventually, a united southwest will have to reach out to the southeast and south-south as the southwest alone won't prevail against the hausa/fulani hegemony's onslaught! And that is a politifact! And why should this be? Because alliances built on common interests outlasts alliances built on common enemies! The southeast and southwest have been convinced to see each other as enemies for sometime now but on a daily basis we live and interact with each other and have more in common with each other especially tolerance for differences than with people of the core north!

4. If we in the south play this right, then tinubu's humiliation would have been a necessary sacrifice and a blessing in disguise in the long run

Progressive01:
All these aprokos from Aribisala to FFK to this writer, having perpetual erection, drooling over the prospect of Jagaban going head to head with Baba should go cultivate Ugwu somewhere if they don't have better jobs to do.

Jagaban has been single-handedly picking, fighting, and winning his battles and certainly doesn't need their whining to do so.

When Jagaban decides it is time to strike, he would strike and we'd all hear about it. For now, he's chosen to remain quiet and plan, waiting for the propitious moment to do what he does best- play ruthless politics!

Make una all go find better work do abeg, and leave the sage alone.

Your naivety and ignorance is both alarming and depressing! It is because of people like you that tinubu will fail and the south flounder!! Tinubu is irrelevant politically and all hot air on his own! A united south on the other hand...................now, that's something! Do us all a favour and shut up! We don't need you and others like you idolising tinubu and giving him a false sense of importance as he is humbly doing the important thing of mending fences and building bridges politically for your and our southern interests! Because our interests are far more important than his interests in case you have forgotten

fulanimafia:
Tinubu will take over South East politics come 2019 at this rate, to fill the vacuum of a political leader for the region.

Rochas & Obiano watch out.

***Modified***

For those expressing puzzlement at my statement; it's simple.

As the East lacks a central political figure, Tinubu will have to take that place in order for the region to regain political relevance in 2019 and that possibility is getting stronger with the current permutations of a southern political bloc...except of course a heavy realignment occurs and the East takes Osibanjo's position in readiness for a 2023 eastern presidency.

The plot thickens.

Here is a typical example of what i have been saying!
This is a typical fulani
You'll notice that they understand that the southwest will close in ranks and using tinubu as their mascot, fight back!
You'll also notice that he's targeting the southeast and a potential all southern unification because that is the real threat to them!
Now we must all be smart (long term) and devoid of sentiments and shame this fulani failure on his weak attempt to derail a unified southern block from forming!

Why?
He is a failure because the hausa/fulani hegemony in power has failed Nigeria woefully and the fact that they choose to pretend otherwise shows them for who they are! The fulani are not Nigerians! The hausas are! So for all a fulani cares, Nigeria can go to hell as long as fulani interests are protected! We who are Nigerians must unite and resist this!

bejeiodus:
Since his friends have betrayed him, he needs his hitherto political foes to fight them back.

Tinubi needs to choose his friends carefully this time before some power hungry politicians ride on his back to power and shove him aside again.

All the best to the Jagaban as he fights back the men who want him hanged by the neck.

Get this!

At this stage it isn't about jagaban anymore it is about the south west and entire south as a political force! We as southerners are educated and don't need political supermen! We should unite (south and north central) and destroy the CPC government! Because the hausa/fulani hegemony is alive and back and thriving thanks to buhari and the CPC! The only way they can stay in power is to divide and rule the rest of us by turning us against each other which we should be wise enough to realise and resist

Dereformer:
we will never align with the west politically. The Yorubas destroyed southern allegiance in 2015. We will rather align with the North than the Yorubas.

We will now remember all the insults we received from the Afonjas.

Buhari should think of choosing any body from SE or SS as VP and should start massive development of the regions. That way he will endeared himself to the people .

Don't be stupid!
No alliance with the north will lasts as long as a united southern alliance simply because our interests in the south are very different from the interests of northerners and after they use you to secure power on the basis of a common political enemy in the southwest they'll discard you just like they're discarding tinubu and align with the southwest against you and the cycle will go on and on! So our common interests should be the only reason to align politically!
And when i talk abouth the north, I'm referring to the core north not the the middle belt and north central with whom we share common values too! Them we should reach out to and cultivate in order to break the hausa/fulani yoke of hegemony on Nigeria

sarrki:
Tinubu can't be humiliate

I know no one reign forever

But won't condone that for now

Children of hate and anger will soon troop in now

It's pure envies just because tinubu buried there hero

Politically

Don't be stupid

You as the southwest have more interests in common with the so-called children of hate and anger! And after mending fences politically in the southwest you'll need to mend fences with the rest of the south especially with the so called "region of hate and anger" because that's the only way we will survive politically!
Tinubu's political survival is irrelevant and secondary to the southwest and entire south's political survival so for once use the brain i believe you have and look at the big picture and stop being stupid!

patriotic9jaboy:
The silent movement of a lion is not cowardice. Tinubu obviously has a plan B for his so called enemies. He has won several political battles and i trust him to come out victorious on this one. We will put an end to this born to rule caliphate in 2019 by aligning with our southern brothers. A united south can defeat the north any day. I trust Tinubu to come up with a contigent plan by 2019. GEJ dared him and today he is in otueke. Buhari should thread carefully

Buhari is not GEJ and tinubu is no lion neither is he a jagaban or whatever!
He is being cut to size politically for all to see and as much as i would like to celebrate i won't because it doesn't potend well for all machineries of political power to be based north of the Niger and Benue! And even if i hate APC and tinubu, his was a genuinely southern power block in the APC even if he led the rest of the southwest to align politically with the north as against the rest of the south with whom they had more common interests
You see, as reno omokri said, an alliance built on a common enemy as against a common interest only lasts as long as that enemy!! GEJ is gone, and now those with common interests are realigning and obviously the AC, CPC & nPDP don't have common interests and for now, the AC is being brutally subjugated! Now that's political karma

As a south southerner i looked on with revulsion as young yoruba's insulted and maligned long established socio-political bodies of the south west like afenifere and the YCE on basis of their alignment with GEJ on the platform of common interests and now that the chicken has come home to roost, tinubu has to fall back on these bodies to prop him up. The result will be a more united southwest but a more diminished tinubu (no doubt he will be the mascot and poster boy for the southwest in public but in private, decisions will be made in concesus by all the power brokers) and that is a good thing
My only hope and prayer is that after unifying the southwest, you'll mend fences with the southeast and southsouth politically and present a united southern front! Because that's the only way to survive the buhari pro hausa/fulani dictatorship cum neo feudalism

CecyAdrian:
When it comes to Nigeria, I beg to differ, the President (Buhari and no other) can even scrap the NA, judiciary and others posing a threat to the country and make room for a fresh start.

Who gets to define what constitutes a threat to the country then?
I vote me and hereby declare your stupidity a threat to the country and as such, you should be mindwiped!

Also i declare buhari's tribalism, nepotism, fanaticism, and other isms a threat to the country and hereby proclaim a fatwa on him! His head is yours to lob of, would you do us the honours?

Now that is a typical example of how easily the tables can turn if we put aside the rule of law and start making judgements based on personal bias!

The law exists so that bias would have no sway in our polity

loomer:
Make una shut up jare, no foolish judge go collect bribe today den start live luxurious life tomorrow. Make una bring another reason

My broda! You get sense jare

TheGoodJoe:

Cow and Chicken story is a judge holding Bribe money $500,000 trailed to his room and people try to defend it with RULE OF LAW.

Holding bribe money according to...........


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DSS!!! oh!




I could have saved us the trouble and simply typed "another c0ck and bull superstory scripted by the Daura Shoe Shiners to muscle recalcitrants into subservience"

By the way, have they finally found the millions of dollars allegedly found in akwa ibom state house?

No, I didn't think so, a discerning mind would be able to see the obvious pattern here........ Operative word "discerning"

TheGoodJoe:

If you understand Sting Operation, Surveillance and Over $500,000 found in the house, you will spare me the legal jargon when I call them Garth Crooks.

No i won't spare you the legal jargon! The accusations bother on corruption and not threat to state security and as such becomes the purview of the EFCC and not the DSS!!! Gettit? That is one fundamental fact that makes this c0ck and bull story crooked! < this gestapo style invasion is unwarranted as armed resistance isn't expected and thus these circumstantial evidence points to the theory that what is going on is beyond the childish face saving excuse being parrotted in the media especially if you put into context recent judgements by these judges!
Pheew! Explanations bore me! I couldn't explain it better so there you go!

TheGoodJoe:

You can say planted or you suspect. However, abusing without fully understanding the case was wrong. I am not here to convince you. I am licking my lips to taste the soup of the evidences when the DSS arraigns these crooks on Monday.

Oh!

They're crooks already?

Why bother prosecute then?

Can't we just shoot them all gestapo style or incinerate them nazi SS style?

Wouldn't you rather be gulping bowlfulls of soup rather than licking cracked lips?