₦airaland Forum

AnusOdourInhaler:
At least the Niger Delta avengers are on top of valuable resources that is controlling the the nation's economic activity, so we pampered them, moreover, the are not planning revolution like some group of terrorist! The president avoided collateral damage. The terrorists that blocked the road are good for nothing, so their stupid activities were dealt with accordingly..
Continue beating your rusty chest, we are not afraid of anybody, when you're ready, just bring it on.. No long talk..
Whether I'm illiterate or not is none of your business.. Your business is to continue sleeping with different women under contract marriage term..

May your end be good.

Edit : Stop talking like the shytes are peaceful group, I knew a lot of them and even live among them.. Mr man, you people are violent, you're are just contained, that's why you laid low... "When will Zazakky occupy Nigeria? ", "The Nigerian army are nothing but cowards, we'll deal with them when the time of revolution comes ", Terroristic driven songs like" Yen bura ku dokamin, nayi yabon walliyillah ". Zaria terroristic attack is still fresh in our memories, where they were contained by helicopter, and Sokoto incident as well... Just shut it, be a law abiding citizen and live in peace, rebel the government and be dealt with, is that Easy.?

Who's "we" that is pampering a certain "them"?

May thunder descend on you and your filthy unwashed dan-fodiod ancestors b@stard!

Look at this inbred asswipe forming boss over my people as if you would dare face me down in a dark alley alone even with a gun in your hand? If you can, i await your indication of interest dunghill rat!

shehu313:
You have the Niger delta avengers, why have you not dealt with them? They prevented your president visiting port harcourt. He cowardly cancelled his trip. They did not only block his road (like it was done to Buratai and he used it as excuse to massacre unarmed Nigerians), but they blocked his airspace and also road. He cancelled his trip by air. He was threatened with death and you could do nothing because it wasn't boko haram mercenaries, who were used and dumped by politicians that you're facing. If the Shia take up arms, you will regret your life. And mind you, the Shia are wise. When they take up arms, run! You are finished!!!! You can't win against them and they don't take up arms as last resort if not sure of crushing you. Keep pushing unarmed innocent Shia to the wall and keep opening your forty mouth in boast. When you can tread the path of peace, you are creating trouble and asking innocent Nigerians to take up arms. Keep your dirty acts up and you will get your wish one day. The problem is tyrants do not learn from each other's mistakes. Zakzaky is a non-violent person. And it is his peaceful personality that has made sure his followers not to react even slightly and even when provoked and pushed to the wall to defend themselves. The only terror group here is your sectarian Nigerian army. Go fight against it and cleanse it of Wahhabi terrorists. It's not peaceful and unarmed Nigerians treading the path of peace that are terrorists. You speak commandingly with "we" yet you sound like an illiterate, the same description a judge used to fees robe Buratai, the chief of terror staff. You must be an illiterate soldier supporting terror and massacre against Nigerians. May your end be terrible.

Amen!

SIRcumalot:
I just checked my book copy again I take back that "bannerman" part their was indeed,defection in the riverlands only the Tully and one other house haven't yielded.

this still doesn't change who the Frey and the riverlands will follow in the coming battle.

In the books, the freys aren't dead yet, on the screen they are gettit? In the books there's still a tyrell, lannister and pseudo-martell alliance on screen not so, so the lannisters are too busy to care about the riverlands on screen so the freys are dead on arrival given the internal jockeying for power going on while walder frey still lived! In the booKs at least

Nihilist:
Again all of this is story.

Bastards cannot assume titles. That is a legal precedent. Sansa's feelings(questionable) are irrelevant in this regard. The legal chain of events there according to precedent would be - Sansa is officially recognised as the only known surviving Stark, and thus lady of winterfell, and possibly queen in the north. She would then promote Jon from bastard to full blown stark. I should not have to remind you that that was exactly how Ramsay Bolton became Warden of the North. And I believe even Robb promised to legitimise Jon.

Yet standard procedure was completely ignored in Jon's case. Historical traditions and legal precedents as seen in the show were completely discarded in favour of Jon and to the Sansa's detriment.

Instead what we have is a Snow(and possible targaryen) leading the Starks. This anomaly is precisely what baelish is using to seduce Sansa..

The Starks are DEAD.

Robb did legitimise jon, problem is the signatories to that document are too dead to testify! Now that is another theory for you to bite! The fact that his surviving northern lords know that king robb wanted jon not sansa to succeed him and not just succeed him, succeed him legally! I think lord mallister was a signatory to that document and he's still alive................ We'll see

SIRcumalot:
We've about 13 episodes left all the players have been introduced
We won't be seeing another house playing a significant impact

Most of what am getting here na just hypothetical stuff.

edmure commanded his castle be opened to the Lannister army
some of which undoubtedly contained his bannermen and they obeyed at great personal risk
They could easily have rallied around a better leader the "blackfish" and tell Jamie to go fist his sister they didn't.

We agree,that LF powers lies in his ability to manipulate the retard.
The man who has the ears of the sweet Robin didn't chant Jon's name.
BraniacX.

Edmure's castle contained non of his bannermen, only a handful of riverruns men at arms

And yes most of it is hypothetical, but also it is based on history, precedence and character analysis

Nihilist:
Again this is all completely irrelavant. As the last known surviving Stark, Winterfell should be Sansa's by inheritance right. Indeed Jon alludes to this when he offers to set her up in the master bedroom.

The fact that she was passed over without a a single thought shows how little regard the nothern lords have for Sansa, and by the extension the Starks. Again, I will refer you to lady mormont who is 10 years old and cannot be reasonably expected to be a wise ruler,but there she is. The vale boy is a known nincompoop, but there he is. Joffrey and Tommen were terrible rulers, but there they were.

Inheritance has nothing to do with what the subjects think of their new rulers. They just accept it. I particularly raised this key point around a month and half ago when I was arguing that lyanna mormont as a lord logically makes no sense.

"The Starks are dead" - Lord Glover.

That's the only logical explanation for Sansa's loss of her birthright.

Jon is as much a stark as ramsay a bolton ..... Sansa to lyanna mormont

You're a son of ned stark and a stark to me ............... Sansa to jon

Point! Sansa's desire for the strong arm of jon to take up the leadership of the north is an open secret so she and the stark name wasn't passed over without concern, her wish which she made obvious on more than one occasion was only respected

I rest my case

Nihilist:
This is all completely irrelevant to the show. The book and the show are now completely different universes.



Also irrelevant as nothing here discounts the the fall of the starks...if anything, it explains it.



Irrelevant. How can Sansa be seen as weak because she's female when theres a 10 year old female lord present in that very room? Catelyn Stark and her Sister were also political juggernauts in their own right. Yara, Olenna and Danaerys have teamed up with the Taylor Swift squad from Dorne, and they all have confirmed political clout.

There is absolutely no reason for the nothern lords to believe that she is 'susceptible to blah blah'. I will agin remind you that the vale serves a clear dimwit without question, and the mormonts follow a girl who is yet to grow pubic hairs.

Sansa is a Stark. Those who have pledged to follow the Starks would have followed her if they truly were interested in following the Starks. Instead they chose to follow a Jon Snow using the excuse that he has some Stark Blood. The Starks are dead.



Which makes it even worse. He is presumed to be a Stark bastard and pronounced king in the north regardless of the legal precedents that bastard cannot hold titles. By the time, the truth of his parentage becomes known to the world, it would serve as confirmation bias to those who already decided t crown him king. So what happens to the stark line and holdings when the king of the north is revealed to be neither a stark in name or in lineage? Do you see Jon being stripped of the title for say Bran? I most certainly dont



Also irrelevant, because even if Bran manages to crawl back into Winterfell tommorow, his birthright has passed him by. Aint nobody giving it back.




Aye and amen to this.

You make a couple of miscalculations here, one being that sansa by right should be lady as is obtainable elsewhere which is right but then again sansa has never been groomed for the role at any point in time so making a claim for herself was somewhat alien to her (not wrong mind you) and the northern lords can't support a claim if the claimant isn't willing to make it so naturally they do the obvious and follow strength and leadership besides which, sansa has long been and been seen to be a puppet whose strings is being pulled by other people, an image she has done little to invalidate so while in their heart of hearts, the northern lords know sansa should rule, they are unsure what her rule will imply and the next best available alternative is jon whose agenda is in alliance with theirs, whose leadership is tested and respected so they rationalise his being a pseudo-stark and thus earn security for their concerns and this reasons are not irrelevant, every other character you mentioned to buttress your point always keep going of about how theirs is the rightful claim but sansa insists on "house starks" claim not hers being rightful and mentioned on more than one occasion jon being as stark as you can get as far as she is concerned so yes, she influenced the decision to crown jon as the northern lords can't force her into a role she clearly is shying away from.

If bran crawls back to winterfell tomorrow and stakes a claim, jon abdicates and the north follows suit! Jon's acceptance of kingship isn't an end on its own, rather, it is the means to an end vis-a-vis avenging his family and defeating the night walkers! So jon and bran slugging it out for winterfell........ Not gonna ever happen!

Nihilist:
Man, please try to use better formatting. It's difficult to follow your train of thought when you write like this. The paragraph above for example, is all one sentence.

Anyway, I think that you are failing to differentiate between past and present. In the past, up until say the death of Eddard Stark, most of what you said there would have applied. After the death of Ed Stark, there has be a systematic decimation of the Stark Legacy leading to the point where even the Lord of Winterfell(The Stark Ancestral Seat) is now being held by a non-Stark.

Let me break it down for you.

1. Ed Stark, the highest ranking of the Starks is slaughtered in public and his head used to serve as a reminder of Lannister might.

2. Sansa Stark who was Bethrothed to the king, and arguably the next highest ranking Stark after Ed, had her engagement canceled in public. To further convince doubter's like yourself that this was yet another strike to the Stark prestige, she was then re-assigned by Tywin Lannister to marry the most loathed lannister of all - an actual midget. This was disrespect of the highest level.

3. The next highest Ranking Stark aka Robb was first disrespected by the Karstarks who decided to fvck him over and leave his cause. Then the Lannisters arranged for him, his mother, and his pregnant wife to be slaughtered like livestock in public. Robb's body was mutilated in death. They sewed the head of his dog to his shoulders and paraded the body in the street. To put it in perspective, even Abacha didnt suffer that much disrespect when he died.

4. The Stark traditional title was given to the Boltons. Even Theon fancied his chances against the Starks and actually took their castle, though he was just naturally stupid in the end.

5. The next highest ranking Stark in Bran has been forced in exile. Arya too. Rickon was kept captive in his own ancestral home and then shot down like a dog.

6. When Sansa and Jon went to gather support in the Stark name, the truth about the Stark political influence was brutally laid bare. Lyanna refuses to join the Stark's political war until Davos tells her about the White Walkers, and Lord Glover categorically tells Jon to his face that the "
Starks are Dead"

7. The King in the North is NOT a Stark.



This are not "normal climes". Like I said earlier, there was a time when the Targaryen ruled Westeros. Nobody reckons with that name now. This does not mean that these names cannot be used to provide some legitimacy of course. Danaerys for example, will be relying on her name to legitimise her rule AFTER she has conquered, with the excuse that her ancestors were once kings anyway. That was the same gameplan that both Stannis and Renly had intended to execute.

It's important to note what was said about Jon before he was crowned King in the North. Lyanna points out that Jon is a bastard but the blood of Eddard Stark flows through him. This is actually quite different from 'He is a Stark'. The 'blood of eddard stark' was only used to provide a tenous connection to the Starks that was plausible enough to justify their personal faith in Jon, rather than thier fealty to the Starks. If the were going on blind allegiance, they would have been compelled to swear an oath to the actual Stark who was sat right there in the very same room, right next to Jon in fact.

The Starks are dead.

It's cool if you don't agree sha. We can't all see things the same way.

Hahahahahaha

You're determined to be difficult but check stark history, this is not the first time starks have been betrayed (the greystarks of white habour joined the boltons in rebellion against the starks) beheaded (one time too many) flayed (boltons used to wear the skin of dead starks into battle) or had winterfell burnt and occupied (it has happened at least twice before) but the starks always endure and the north endure as long as the starks! The starks are not followed for their name alone, they are an hardy and notoriously unyielding line (the north wasn't always one kingdom, the starks conquered and assimilated other kingdoms including those of the boltons, umbers e.t.c and became supreme). Some Other northern houses owe their lordships to earlier starks (e.g the mormonts, karstarks, manderlys) and that is not easily forgotten except in this rare instance of kinslaying (robb stark beheading rickard karstark) it is a popular saying in westeros that when you scratch a karstark you'll find a stark

The starks greatest failing was their absolute faith in the loyalty of their bannermen which mid you isn't misplaced because minus an ambitious bolton or two, the entire north has been very starky for generations untold, the bolton called roose was a proverbial kitten in a pigeon nest that unsettled the north in his quest not for northern dominance but bolton dominance irrespective of the cost! The boltons were heavily resented for it and even roose acknowledged the fact that only careful politicking could grant him security in the north gettit ? bolton rule despite appearances was never secure in the north from onset to end!

The blood of eddard stark was rationalised to adopt jon as a male stark whose offspring(s) would be eddard's by blood if not by law!

Sansa like i pointed out earlier wasn't recognised because she is female, regarded as weak and is seen as the only stark majorly susceptible to political manipulations of whose results need not necessarily be in the interest of the stark lineage and by extension the north, she was simply a gamble no northern lord was willing to make so they quashed the political ambitions of many a ambitious noble who wanted to use her apparent birthright as a launchpad to greater things and a bargaining chip! Even she herself wisely acknowledged this when she tacitly supported jon for elevation and turned down little fingers request. Her marriage to tyrion was coerced and to ramsay a miscalculation on her part not an insult to the starks! If there was no tyrion, tywin would have wed her to lancel and if jamie wasn't hung up on cersei and agreed to leave the kingsguard to jamie as the idea was to weld the north to the lannisters cause by westerosi law at least

Jon is a targayrean not stark bastard and we know this, howland reed knows this, bran knows this but nobody else does the northern lords worked with what they knew

Bran is still alive, we know this, meera reed knows this, benjen stark knows this, jon and sansa hope this is true but nobody else does and frankly with him being cripple, they believe he is long dead! So again the northern lords worked with what they know. if bran should show up and make his claim, jon would willingly abdicate and support him and the northern lords would follow suit and jon would be the backbone of his kingdom and his pillar because both of them are wards of ned stark and if jon's parentage should come to light, the north would prop him up and support a bid for the iron throne by him and bran would revert to being lord of the north

We're not actually supposed to agree on everything but that's the fun of this thread
And please forgive my disjointed writing

SIRcumalot:
@braniacX
Like I said arya probably helped with the Frey problem,but obstacles still dey.
Edmure is the key to the riverlands even if the highest ranking Frey's are dead somebody must've seen the strategic value of holding edmure hostage.
(except if the blackfish isn't dead I don't think he is I doubt stannis death too,but that na another story)

I do not recall LF,highest ranking Vale man chanting the king in the north,
Like all the other Northern's lords.
I trust LF to watch out for number 1.

You don't understand westerosi politics very well then, other great noble houses of the riverlands if truth be told view the tullys with a bit more respect than other great northern houses viewed the boltons and by that i mean they consider them as equals and not that too superior, the tullys elevation to high lordship is as recent as 300 years ago and before then, house tully like other great riverland houses contended for supremacy with the rest! So yes they will rally around edmure because he's their lord but they won't sacrifice their independence to save edmure's skin like riverruns master of arms did, they'll more likely rally behind a king in the north (preferably a true stark and child of catelyn stark) than they'll rally behind a tully lord of the riverlands.

Littlefinger isn't the vales highest ranking man! Asides the puppet boy lord, bronze yohn royce is the vales most powerful noble and on his own without other lords of the vale, his is a formidable house and army but unfortunately he has to defer to his puppet overlord and his puppetmaster baelish pulling the strings and i would believe bronze yohn royce is all for the king in the north (his house is descended from the first men too) and royce's only real battle is weaning his weakling lord from his manipulator but unfortunately his adversary is a master at manipulation hence his situation

Gbola5:
I think Larry is done following Carol's orders. Carol's crowning will be more than Larry can take.

And i also think larry apart from his incest and ingrained compulsion to honour his blood ties is one of the most honourable knights in westeros, this is something he dislikes being broadcasted as it will deduct from his notoriety and infamy which i think (I might be wrong though) he enjoyed in his youth, now he is getting older, wiser and weighing actions with consequences more correctly and also when push comes to shove, I think he will be the valonquar of the prophecy to end carol not dinklage and he'll be doing it to save what's left of his house despite how that act will be akin to killing himself but that is for the future, for now larry must and will serve carols whims and caprices if for nothing else, the unity of a house beset by foes on every side

SIRcumalot:
the riverland is still been controlled by the lannisters and Frey's,
edmure brief release was just to capture the castle.
hey,maybe Arya helps us out there.

the Vale really depends on how littlefinger and sansa manipulates that young lord.
the Vale knights where summoned by Tully blood,I doubt stark has anything to do with.

still,my guess is the marriage will happen.

The lannisters, (I discount the freys) have a lot to contend with now that the reach is no longer their ally, they wouldn't have the time, men nor resources to prop up the frey regime in the riverlands to the freys are all but done for now that walder, black walder and lothar are dead, first will be the internal battle for succession as the murders of three of their foremost lords will create an atmosphere of suspicion that would destroy them, there is no one frey whom all freys would willingly rally around, secondly they are being continuously harassed by the BWB and unless in numbers, frey troops can't march across the riverlands! So with internal and external conflict freys as a force to reckon with is simply laughable, thirdly, the freys like the boltons are not the strongest house in their region, many powerful houses like the mallisters, the blackwoods, brackens and even the tullys would rally behind the king in the north or individually decimate house freys waning power.

Yes the vale is little fingers to manipulate! That being said, he has openly declared for house stark against houses lannister and bolton during the bastard bowl and what is done can't be undone! So unless he sticks to his not too palatable role as ally to the north, he would find himself alone and stranded when jamie comes calling on cercei's orders and when daenerys comes swooping down on varys recommendation so no, he is not abandoning the north nor his hope of having sansa by his side on the iron throne anytime soon

Nihilist:
Story.

Valour in battle is clearly irrelevant when assuming hereditary titles in Westeros.

I mean Lyanna was at that meeting, and Baelish was representing his yoing lord there too. Robb had little military experience and Bran has been lord for a day.

When you factor in Joffrey and Tommen, you realise that people will automatically follow you without challenge once you have the right name.

Jon doesn't have the right name and we've been repeatedly told that bastards cant lords. In any case, before Jon came to power most of those lords expressed little regard for the Stark name.

After Jon appears to defeat the royally appointed ruler of the North, these lords all suddenly remember that they are pledged to House Stark. Curiously enough, they pledge their loyalty to a guy whose name is actually not Stark, and who legally cannot assume office anyway....and all the while, there is an actual Stark sitting IN THE SAME ROOM.

Mehn these guys ain't send no Starks. Even if Jon wasn't a Stark bastard, they would have invented a connection to legitimise a very clear decision to sideline the Starks anyway.

I disagree with you, starks individually might not be held in the highest regards but when push comes to shove the name "stark" is worth gold across westeros and anybody with that name or affiliation gets audience from lords and commoners, has castle gates and halls open to them, gets men to rally behind their banners so scoff at this assertion all you want, the starks are stuff of legends and by comparism in westeros, only the arryns and the lannisters come close, the baratheons, tullys, tyrells, martells and greyjoys have their elevation to high lordship as a recent phenomenom and a quirk of fortune associated to targayrean conquest and rhoynar sojourn, the gadeners of the reach, the casterlys of the west, the mudd of the riverlands, the durrandions of the stormlands, maybe the harren of the iron islands, the royce of the vale were all ancient houses comparable to the starks but among these lot the starks were the longest lasting so saying that the stark name doesn't carry weight politically is simply laughable! The lannisters tried to wed sansa (a stark) to tyrion in order to beget an heir acceptable to the north, the boltons wed ramsey to sansa (a stark) in order to produce an heir legitimately acceptable to the north, the whole of westeros know the north can only be held by a stark hence they want a stark that can be manipulated (for that is what sansa represents). The boltons didn't hold the north, they held winterfell and the dreadfort and were oppressing the smaller houses within reach but the greatest houses gave them no allegiance except when they felt there was mutual interest involved and i'm talking about the umbers, karstarks, manderlys and a few others, these could field enough men against the boltons anytime anyday, the ones being suppressed by the boltons were the ones whose levies had been decimated by the war of the five kings like the cerwyns, hornwoods, glovers, mormonts, so even if they could not field the army required against the boltons, they still held the boltons in little regard and contempt except coerced to do otherwise (e.g the flaying of lords cerwyn and his son) other northern houses were largely untouched by the wars but not large enough to field armies against the boltons single handedly includes the barrows, flints, wulls amongst others, my point is in normal climes the name "stark" was sufficient to assemble all these houses without threats, coercion or bribes, the name "stark" is the name they'll all answer to no matter how powerful they are individually so that says much for your assertion that house stark and the name stark is politically irrelevant

Nihilist:
Jon is most definitely not a Stark.

The half-stark thing was just to give some legitimacy to the decision to back Jon. There was a full blooded Stark in the room that day, who was even more responsible for the toppling of the Bolton regime than Jon was and nobody even looked at her twice.

When the warden of the north was alive, Lord Glover actually said it - "The Starks are dead". Verbatim quote

For 5 series Jon has been 'the bastard'. Now that he's in power, is it a surprise that they hail him Stark?

There isn't a single character with the last name Stark that is politically relevant bro. Not a single one.

You make it sound as if the decision to prop up john to northern kingship was a purely political and strategic one! refusing to back him in the bastard bowl was mostly strategic and partly political hence their reference to him not being a stark, making him king of the north and acknowledging his blood ties to Ned was half strategic half emotional! Most northerners would follow a stark and by extension Neds blood to hell and beyond when their emotion is appealed to especially if that person exhibits all the traits they expect from a stark and a ward of ned, traits like dutifulness, loyalty, honour, courage, a strong sense of morals and justice, leadership in the battlefront, excellent swordsmanship albeit a little naivety is thrown into the mix but you'll agree these accurately describes ned, john and to a large extent robb

armadeo:
The theories we would hear before next year would be interesting.

Now it's a possibility since targaryan married themselves.

And Danny plans to marry in order to hold the seven kingdoms.

If john is established as the king in the north, the riverlands and the vale would give him their allegiance conditionally and that is three out of seven kingdoms making him the only viable option for darnerys to marry to rule the whole seven kingdoms with, besides the fact that he is actually a taegeryan and if rhaegar secretly married lyanna, the strongest claimant to the iron throne

MhizVeronica:
dat the result u get wen u wear dress that is too tight


ladies need to learn how to wear something decent

Chai!

Okay

dionma:
This dino is going nuts. You threatened a woman. said insulting things to a married woman. Came to Lagos and was fooling around yet nobody responded to your childish tantrums yet you would not allow the issue to rest. An adult in a child's body.

The silence of the Tinubu's is eerie. It can only mean something is cooking.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What da bloody fvck do you zombies think thief-nubu is? some freaking tin god? power resides where men think it resides and if oju iyombo comes to warri in disguise without an escort, we go kpoof am like chicken come take selfies with him cadaver sef even though we recognise am mtcheeew! Jagaban of him papa backyard! We no send am at all! Lubbish!

aressssa:
The receiver is all TEFLON and anti Glue so it's all back to the sender x 1000000000000000000000

The sent is a biological aerosol which permeates in between spaces and on contact with receivers bio-torso forms an irreversible biochemical complex on surface that grows inwards transforming changing the receivers genomic template for good! so sorry, teflon and anti-glue won't cut it! Not in this scenario!

greatiyk4u:
U are logically weak

And you consider yourself a judge of logic? uhn?
You amuse me terribly

aressssa:
[s][/s]



Back to sender x 10000000000000

Glued and bonded to receiver ^^^^^^^

greatiyk4u:
And you commanded me to "shut up" just to write this trash that lacks any modicum of sense........low IQ members of this forum like you are supposed to be mere observers while learning from reasonable and intelligent ones to avoid exposure of ignorance in the public!

First of all she makes more than a little modicum of sense, in fact she makes a lot of sense, that you pretend you don't see it says a lot about you.

Secondly speak about your IQ and your IQ alone! You're in no position to judge anybody else's

And thirdly, at no point did you talk specifically about the topic of discussion, maybe because the points you tried to make are heavily skewed and poorly defendable

buharisbae:
Another food for iPads!
b4 u quote me I no be APC ooo

Not for say you fine eh!

She damn pretty!
That's only thing i noticed


































Plus I'm wishing her a long and happy life of course







And may our kids and grand kids out live and out match us