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zicoraads:
Stop shifting goalposts.

This is not a Bible and Quran debate.

This is also not the American invasion debate.

You said Cersei did worse and she wasn't called mad. I'm telling you she didn't kill innocents, including children in their thousands.

The 'If' statement doesn't count. You brought in the Cersei analogy, so stop speaking in probabilities now.

no it is not, it is a human nature debate, a discourse on the duality of human emotions, thoughts and actions, and guess what? G.R.R.M says that's what the books are about too

zicoraads:
Cersei didn't kill children and women in their thousands, innocents. That's the difference.

I wonder how some of you can choose to be willfully blind to the madness of Dany's actions. She's mad. End of. There's no 'but'.

cersei never had the means to do that

Funaki:
who even said Cercie was the one that put wildfire there? We only saw them and people surmised it was Cercie's.

in the context of this narrative, it is a relatively safe bet to assume that cersei would do that if she could because i believe you'd agree with me that the people didn't booby trap their residences with wildfire but probably there's a better explanation

codedguy1:
If she had some inspiration revelation to do what she did. Atleast, We would understand why she did it.

Your first paragraph is assuming she was given that instruction.

You now construct your second paragraph like she was actually given that instruction.

i am not saying she definitely had a revelation, I am only pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of saying killing of non combatant women and children is justified or more acceptable because a divine being and not a fictional mortal being orders or carries it out

codedguy1:
This was like the last battle and Cersie prepared to face the Dany's soldiers headon.

No its the other way around, you crush the leaders direct and not go about killing innocent people claiming you want to crush the spirit of the leaders.

So killing the innocent peasant citizens was supposed to crush Cersie's spirit. Ha, i laff in Valarian Cersie that does not give a fvck and a damn about the citizens that spat and threw shyte on her during the walk of shame.

bro, wars physical aspect is always apparent and most times overwhelming, but do not ever underestimate the power of psychological warfare, to do that would be a great mistake! Cersei's greatest defeats where never in the kingslanding war theater against danny, they were in the shadows and hearts of the adversaries that killed her children, some people who understood psychological warfare well we're tywin lannister and Ramsay bolton

J2381:
glaring to everyone of us watching of course.

but danny wasn't watching from our perspective now was she?

codedguy1:

Had she taking out the expected placea that Cersie most likely would be before having a thought that Cersie might be escaping like one of the peasants on the street.

You want to kill somebody, after killing the security at the estate gate, instead of going straight to the persons house you start from the beginning of the street killing people and your justification is that the person might be in any of the houses when you have not even been to his house.

thats the problem isn't it, there is no expected place for a fleeing disguised defeated former ruler, the safest bet is always everywhere and anywhere

codedguy1:
She didnt need to see Cersie but she would pick some strategic building to strike expecting that Christie would definitely be in one of those buildings. Atleast we would know she was specifically trying to kill Cersie and not just turning on the citizens.

Imagine trying to take over the seat of power in naija starting with Abuja.after you take out the military, aso rock is next, then senators quarters or estate in maitama and the NASS complex and then some other symbolic places instead of going to nyanya and mararaba to kill people. Does that make sense.

After she took out Eurons fleet and the scorpions she decended on the citizens. It was later she went for the red keep and citadel. If Euron had not delayed Jamie she might really had escaped while madam mad queen was busy torching peasants who did nothing to her.

in westerosi history, loosing rulers have been known to disguise as commoners to evade capture, a history danny is probably familiar with, so does this information give you a little perspective on a probable reason for her actions?

lilbest4:
you're catching unto straws

maybe, but who's to say i am definitely wrong?

lilbest4:
Cersei did not plant wildfire anywhere. Those wildfires were planted by the mad King who wanted to do the same thing her mad daughter did. This your white headed wh0re is the weakest kind of leader I can ever imagine, someone who jealously burn people because they don't love her

and who's to say cersei didn't unearth more wildfire caches and position them strategically to kill Danny's army?

codedguy1:
Someone is praising you that oil dey your head and am sure your head is swelling. You better ask if it is used car engine oil.

Stop equating the decision of God with what a human being will do.

We all know this is fiction and fantasy but we are talking about the rationality of the actions of Daenerys to burn down innocent people who were miles away from Cersie, people that never did anything to her.

Even though you have admitted that you have stopped watching.you still dont want to remove the bush in your eyes.

ok lets say Danny's Valyrian ancestor's God's came to her with a revelation to burn kingslanding down, now since the divine angle of justification has been fulfilled, what next?

codedguy1:
You crush the leaders and the army not innocent people.

without people and/or followers there are no leaders, to kill the people is to crush the spirit of the leader, cersei never significantly confronted Danny's forces head on, instead she went around decimating all houses supporting her, do you understand why now?

Funaki:
So killing the innocent people destroyed Cersie completely? How? Beside, how can wildfire be a trap to her? She can't die from fire

but her soldiers can

lilbest4:
why is it always "women and children", so the innocent men that were murdered too don't count?
This is also how media report crime I just don't get it, is it that it's more heinous if it's a woman that was killed or what

abi i taya oh!

codedguy1:
So the ones she was torching on the streets were part of the war? People that were miles away from where Cercei stood, harmless peasants oo.

how was she to know that cersei was not escaping disguised as a peasant? Afterall, it won't be the first time that has happened in westeros or even in kingslanding

In the dance of dragons, aegon escaped kingslanding with his master of whispers the clubfoot disguised as fishermen, and guess what? Though injured, he lived long enough to overthrow his sister's garrison and castle on dragonstone and lie in wait for her return and eventually kill her! History us there for the guidance of all and it will be farfetched to think Danny hasn't read of it

J2381:
of course he is wicked for hitting kids and also the person who used the kids as human shield are cowards and just as wicked as Anthony Joshua.

The war was lost is a clear indication they can't win and all was over. She lost the war and was escaping, and it was very clear she was crying.

When she was in the crypt with Jaime, she wept and said she didn't want to die, she wanted to live, now if that is not defeat shown on Cersei's face in full HD, I don't want what that is.

Fine you might say Cersei didn't surrender, but it was glaring she lost and was defeated hands down.

glaring to whom? Was Danny there?

raumdeuter:
It's like asking why the Russians didn't go directly for Hitler and not rape the women and decimate the Germans. Maybe in an ideal world, there will be wars without innocent civilian casualties not in real life

As far as she is concerned the war was still on as long as Cersei was alive and not surrendered

When in war the first rule is ensure you win by all means. Only winners write history and determine who the villains are

That is why the Germans were tried for war crimes and hardly any Russian was despite committing comparable levels of atrocities

What Lady Olenna was advising her was that Dany needs to win the war first, get power and then worry about the political or warfare correctness of it.
When Cersei blew the Sept of Baelor, while sitting on the throne, did anyone question how she got there? even the other houses who knew the evil she did to get there, the iron bank, the citadel all recognized her as the ruler

the ethos of a war wizard


Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resolutely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depths of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

codedguy1:
So why did she not go kill Cercei like i asked previously when she had the chance and leave the innocents alone. Cercei was standing there for the taking. She had not escaped with Jamie.

are you suggesting that Danny's sight us so acute that she can see cersei in the red keep from the wall?

crackhaus:
Amazing...

You and Cinderellagirl are going to make me cry from laughter pretty soon.

actually he is correct by westerosi understanding, cersei is a legitimate baratheon by marriage and since she is the only baratheon alive, that becomes her claim to the throne.
That she chooses to bear her maiden lannister surname is only a testament to her arrogance

zendi:
My point was valid, it's you with your dry sense of humour who should be erring on the side of careful observation. Go back to p.213 and observe that I used 'aborting' in quotes suggesting it's a kind of metaphor for all those possible jeopardies to the baby you mentioned (kill, terminate etc). After all, those harms will be happening to the baby as 'procedures' in an ABORTION clinic.

alright, I get your presentation, then again, I will like to understand what harm you construe as being done to "already born babies" supported by progressives as according to you, I hope i am not missing another metaphor

ChristoBam:
Nigerian soldiers sef that are usually crazy didn't go around slaughtering Millitants after they've surrendered. Not to talk of innocent women and children that have nothing to do with the war in the first place..

Nigerian soldiers of the modern times, not Nigerian soldiers of the middle or dark ages

zendi:
What narrative......please check out the new abortion laws of New York and Virginia. And why are the "Progressives" overwhelmingly opposed to the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Bill (to protect abortion surviving babies from infanticidal neglect)?

my point is technical, a baby already born can't be aborted! Simple, you can kill it terminate an already born baby but the term abort is for unborn children exclusively! So when you try to make a point, ere on the side of facts please

zendi:
Talking about the stone ages, what do you think about 'aborting' already born babies? The ones that go by the chicanery, Progressives, are the real stone age barbarians.

What narrative are you sprouting here? how can you "abort" an "already born" baby?
Educate me on the logic behind your comment!

And i think the string of anti-abortion bills is to provoke litigation that will end in the Supreme Court which republican appointees now dominate and eventually rescind roe vs wade

KushCollectible:
Thanks for this sis.
It's great being here. I'm so happy seeing people who love this great show and can construct intellectual discussion around it.
I didn't know there was anything like this.
I get so frustrated at times not seeing like-minded people to discuss with.
I literally beg people to watch it, but all to no avail.
It so amazing the thread has been on for some years while I was trying to recruit my night watchers.
Well better late than never.
I am going to be dropping some GOT facts along the way.
Great being here once again.
BTW.....I sell GOT themed pendant, bracelet, rings, lamps and house banners for anyone interested.
They are unisex and quite affordable.
Seven Blessings.

finally

crackhaus:
Lmao.. You're reaching into your magic hat to pull out anything you can think of.

JennyOfOldstones

there actually is sound logic in her submission

Cinderallagirl:
sorry oh, am not finish, people like you are the ones that make idiots seem like geniuses, people like you are the ones parents prays and fast not to have as a daughter, your picture should be taken as a symbol of the word FOOL, so people don't need to type the word fool, all the have to do is show your pic, and people get what they are saying.

#facepalm! why don't you just ignore him/her and focus on the conversation? Because you're doing a terrible job shading the dude/dudette. You're actually giving him/her all the ammunition they need to shade you with little effort from them, I know you're a girl and maybe you can't restrain yourself when you get into bitchmode but just take the high road this once, it's more respectable

afolwalex20:
Don't you get it? Sam hated fighting! Jon tried to teach him but he wouldn't learn. That's a perfect example of someone that hates the act. You can't tell me someone that teaches people how to do it hates it, please. It's not possible! He does it happily.

Jon doesn't go out killing people for fun. He always had a strong reason. Maybe that's why you think he hates swinging the sword.

No, actually, that is why Jon says he hates fighting. Because what he is so good at costs human lives

afolwalex20:
And you concluded he was talking about fighting? This same dude had never for once proved he hated fighting. Like I said, you can't hate something and be very good at it. It's just not possible!

oh he wasn't? what was he talking about then if not fighting and/or killing?

afolwalex20:
Sorry, bro, you are wrong!
You can't hate something and be good in it. The only character that can pass for this is Sam Tarley, not Jon. Was there any scene that supports your notion?

Right from the very beginning, he loved fighting. He made Arya her first sword, remember? He actually wanted her to be a fighter, too. If he hated it, he wouldn't encourage any other person to do it. Also, this same Jon was pissed when he wasn't made a fighter in the Night's watch. He loved training other fighters there. Avoiding fights once in a while and being honorable doesn't prove he hates fighting.

go back to Jon's second conversation with Danny at dragonstone last season, Danny was saying referring to tyrion's love of talking, everybody loves and enjoys doing the things they're good at to which Jon replied, I don't

IamD18:
Go bless you Bruv. Tbh, the kind of disgusting comments I'm reading from these pussay asss hypocritical Danny's supporter are just too irritating.

Like Wtf? These people no get sense?

Damn!!! This show sure explains the kind of atrocities most folks herein can commit just to achieve something.

How can a reasonable person support Danny for burning and frying innocent people of KL just because Jon refused to fvck her?

Tufiakwa!!!

reasonable in which era oga? Before the UN and the bills of Human Rights and international codes of conduct, humanity has been waging wars, committing genocide and other atrocities since Cain and Abel and to them it was all reasonable, so i ask you again, "reasonable in what era" ? After you answer the question, ask yourself what fictional era the show is set in again then advise yourself again on the reasonableness of Danny's atrocities in kingslanding in that era

Buharifanatic:
how many people did Moses kill

How many people did America kill because of osaba bin laden


Oga go and park

You mean Osaba min laden right?