I just found this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=ozonated+water&search=Search

If you can watch the video or watch the full version here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMlXd9hLpcY

I tried to make a post of this article yesterday in the health category, but I just discovered that it has been removed; Why that was the case is beyond me, because the information is geared more for information on how to defeat difficult diseases that have simple cures.

Anyway, it has informed me and I am enlightened, if anyone wants the info is there:
http://brotherjohn.org/simple-solutions-for-complex-challenges/

The article states:
“To maintain a clean system, it is necessary to have a proper diet, one that produces a blood pH that is neither too alkaline (bacteria problems) or too acid (cancer problems). And it is necessary to have sufficient oxygen in the system to allow cellular respiration to be efficient and allow complete oxidation, preventing the production of carbon monoxide which the body cannot easily expel."

**** Message to The Christian ****
Dear Believer,
We must hear the Voice/Sound of the Trumpet .... God's judgement is looming upon this world .... they are busy eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage..... as it was in the time of Noah, yet "in a few days, the RAIN" shall come!

Isaiah 9:19-20
(GNB) Everywhere in the country people snatch and eat any bit of food they can find, but their hunger is never satisfied. They even eat their own children!

(ERV) People looked to the right and grabbed whatever they could, but they were still hungry. They grabbed whatever was on their left, but still they were not satisfied. So they turned on themselves and began to eat the bodies of their own children.
.....
This is NOT a message of gloom and doom, but a warning for us to hurry and enter as part of the FIVE Wise virgins. We must escape this looming darkness!

**** Message to The Christian ****

AgentOfAllah:

What facts?

Go and look in the mirror..... the person you see is a living FACT/PROOF that you are creation not an accident.

Ask that person how you got there?
Ask the mirror, too.... how it got there?

That is the most minimal fact/proof that you need.

davien:
he's too delusional to wonder why heaven is based on a roman setting.....with thrones....trumpets....and harps....

Of course, it's obvious how delusional you are when you have no clue as to what you are actually talking about - ever read the Old Testament before? Ever read Daniel 7:9 before or the settings of Leviticus 23:24 or something called the Feasts of Trumpets? Of course, a deluded mind who is so foolish and clueless will have no such knowledge nor understanding that such existed before Rome was ever born.

mazaje:


So people's unverifiable claims are what you call evidence. eh?. . .Will you accept the same claims about people that claim to have reincarnated as evidence for reincarnation?. . .There are countless videos of people on the internet claimging to have reincarnated. . .Does that count as evidence for you?. . .You are just too ridiculous. . .

That is their prerogative. It's YOUR problem if you want to disbelieve there is a spiritual world or not. Continue to claim your foolishness that there is no God in the face of facts.

I am yet to see any of you so-called atheist prove there is no God; in fact, how many of you carry a mobile phone device around (I am sure all of you), which of you has ever seen the wireless frequencies connecting you to the Internet? None!

Yet you try to argue about a spiritual world someone claims to see because you have not seen it?

Continue in your foolishness (Psalm 14:1).

abdulwastecx:


The ugly truth is cave men creates God in their own image becauae they couldn't provide answer to many things around them.

cave men want answer to why we have the sun, moon, where we came from, where we are going, why it rains, why human dies etc...they find it diffucult to phantom the fact that these could just happen without a designer which must be some pale skin daddy living in the sky ( since all the known prophet of God religion are Caucasians).

Synagogue church is a business venture with a strong marketing strategies... lot of staged performed miracles to attract gullible minded poor and needing Africans.

A man of God that needed a television station to show is miracle....smh

Who told you that I agree with what goes on in the TB Joshua's Synagogue? For all you know, I might be more disagreeable as to his beliefs than you. However, that is another topic entirely.

I guess you want to tell me that Dr Eben said he was testifying as a Christian, isn't it? No, he wasn't. I cited his (and the little boy's) case to prove that there is a SPIRITUAL WORLD.

Kay17:


But you didn't demonstrate nor describe the spiritual world you are trying to prove. Because nobody on Nairaland has been able to intelligible talk about spiritual realities. I read your OP and saw that it was not the doctor's place to claim he was brain dead and somehow conscious of that fact. It is not just plausible.

Thank you exposed your thinly veiled agenda of trying to authenticate the mysteries of the Bible.

There is nothing for me to authenticate. The Bible authenticates itself.

Reiyvinn:


Scholars all believe that Moses who reportedly lived more than 1000 years after this Genesis account wrote the Pentateuch. How's that "eye witness"? In fact, the oldest available OT manuscripts are the Dead Sea Scrolls from Qumran which date to c. 300 - 200 B. C. E., and even the Moses' authorship is even in doubt since of course he didn't write about his death and after death.

The manuscripts attesting to the Gospel and other letters all date back to more than a century after these fictitious men must have rot in their graves. Most of these writing (along with the so-called pseudogripha and apocrypha) all existed during the reign of the Roman Church when interpolation of already-written letters and fabrication of whole-new letters were tools apologists and councils used in refuting opposition. It is no wonder that most of the manuscripts now available are in the possession of Vatican City.

That is to, the so-called eye-witness account are just tales the Roman Church used to gain both Religious and Political power over a vast part of the World. Ever wondered why they so opposed the translation and personal ownership of Bibles? Of course, that would make interpolation, omission and fabrication impossible.



You still haven't pointed out these "facts"

that your God must be acknowledge as "Existent" and the likes of Fairies, Genies, Santa, Flying Spaghetti Monster, e.t.c not?

What makes your God existent and the others not?

Let's see proof please. Thanks.

Of course, it is fictitious in your imaginations. Go and tell all the archeologists and geologists who were once skeptics and from their discoveries had a change of mind that all those Bible stories were in their dreams and hallucinations. See their list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_nontheism
http://www.godofevolution.com/how-an-agnostic-archaeologist-came-to-join-the-leagues-of-the-christian-crazies/

Notable among the most hallucinates was Sir William Mitchell Ramsay, a British archaeologist. Read about him here: http://www.conservapedia.com/William_Mitchell_Ramsay

He spent 15 years of his professional life dreaming and hallucinating, trying desperately to disprove the Bible, isn't it? All that he discovered were in his mind.

You're a joker with no story line!

Dapo777:


Wonderful!

Please What's the difference or What are the differences between heaven and new Jerusalem. Who are the people that would inhabit new Jerusalem and who are the people that would inhabit heaven? If you think heaven and new Jerusalem are two separate places ,kindly show me the Bible verse to support your claim.

If I explain it to you using the Bible, you would claim that you never believed in the Bible, so why bother? Answering your Biblical questions, from my experience with you, is a waste of time. At least, you claimed to have once read the Bible, then go and check the answers again in the Book of Revelation, it's just 22 chapters.

Dapo777:


Sit down there.

How do you know Which encounters are genuine and Which are not When there is no vivid description of heaven in the Bible.

Little kids are the most imaginative. It's very possible the kid had a vivid concept of What heaven is like Through color story books and from Sunday schools and the rest. Off point!!!

Yours is the silliest of comments!

That boy imagined that his mother had a miscarriage when he was still unborn? No, he had a vivid concept of what his grandfather looked like when he was yet unborn and had no clue what the man looked like!

[size=14pt]Easily the worst comment I have ever come across on Nairaland.[/size]

qstar:


God never fixes any man's problem. man fixes man's problems. You know what god does? he sits on a throne, amused by all the miseries he's put man into and then promises more miseries for those who refuse to align with Israel/Arab.

He doesn't necessarily need to come tap me on the shoulder. He should come and do real stuff, not giving dreams, poems and comic books to some 'set of people'. It was so easy for him to say "let there be light, and there was light" in the book of Genesis, why can't he speak "peace" into being?

You know what? the day god reveals itself, there would be no more atheism, no more religion... wouldn't it be great of god, huh?

#1. God has revealed Himself by His Son, yet you refused to believe.
#2. I am a living proof that He fixes lives. He fixed mine!
And He's fixed so many others who chose to put their trust in Him.
#3. He's method of bringing peace is through individuals who would acknowledge Him in their lives .... "The Kingdom of God is not about partying and revelries, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

I guess you're a very angry man, angry at God and the world. You must accept that as agents of free choice and not preprogrammed robots, we are responsible for the evil we have caused the world. God did not make atomic or nuclear bombs; God did not make Bill Clinton cheat on his wife by committing adultery; and God did not invent Las Vegas; and certainly not Ebola!

But I can tell you that He has inspired not a few people to help humanity in no small way:
George Washington Carver was inspired by God to give us peanut butter
Sir Isaac Newton was a man of God who brought untold development to science and technology.
Gary Keith Starkweather was inspired through the Bible to invent the Laser Printer
(Listen to him in this short interview about another unique invention God helped him with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eFLQoBXMHI#t=116)

I will conclude with the words of Abdus Salam, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work in electroweak theory. He is here quoted in his article entitled Science and Religion: “A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

mazaje:


You always seem to be shooting at all directions from Dr Eben to the story of a boy who went to heaven. . .Pls stay on topic. . .
Now back to Dr Eben Alexander. . .The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Do you believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. .

I am not subjected to his experiences, I have a stronger basis, which is the Bible. I can believe in his claim to a point and that is up to where an established precedence has been (in the Bible), beyond this, I can't argue against or support his claim. However, we have a common belief in that there is more to life beyond our physical realities, especially in the notion of heaven.

The reason I pulled up the post is to affirm the claim that there is a spiritual world, and if there is a spiritual world, then as an atheist, you should rethink your belief system and relearn what you think you know, and that would not be complete without acknowledging the existence of a God who sits atop of spiritual realities.

Irrespective of the view that is used to describe the glass cup (in this case - heaven), it is immaterial; the bottom line is that the glass cup (heaven) exists and people have had their view/taste of it and are able to describe it in their own way.

You can't take that away from them and neither can you deny their experiences. You either take it or leave it!

Dapo777:


Wow So you are ridiculous enough to believe heaven is as large as earth. Well not according to your Bible,it seems you know So little of your Bible only to come here and give meaningless points,next time read your Bible well before jumping into conclusion.
In revelation 21:16
Heaven Where God dwells is 1380miles X 1380miles in dimension

That's a car drive from newyork to Los Angeles. Can you see how small heaven is?

So comparing heaven to earth is a very silly thing to do,and am disappointed with how little you know your Bible.

Now that we have established the size of heaven, heaven must have specific features with very little diversity,If you have been to newyork city you would notice specific features about the place,this is What I expect from those who claim to go to heaven and come back with completely contradictory descriptions.

When one person says he passed through seven gates before he got to the main heaven gangan, another person say there is one gate before you get to heaven,some people say the ground is made of glass,others say the ground is made of gold,in fact some people claim to see HD flatscreen TVs in heaven, some other people say that there are body replacement hall in heaven Where those who lost their body parts on earth can get it replaced. So many descriptions from different people. People of another religion apart from Christianity see another entirely different heaven,like a hall Where a long bearded man with a very long scroll checks for people's name and examine everything the person did on earth those people who haven't done their assignment on earth would be sent back to earth and born as a new born baby into a poor family as purnishment,while those who did their assignment would be sent back into a rich family as a new born baby as their reward.

My point is this, whatever way those people see heaven is how They have been made to believe heaven looks like. That four year old boy definitely has a concept of heaven before his experience.

Heaven is all in your head. Heaven is whatever you want and desire, Yes That's heaven it only exist in your head,and that explains the contradictory descriptions people give about the "same" heaven They went to.

You've got your facts wrong, mate.

#1. That is NOT the measurement of heaven, but that of a CITY.
#2. What about the height of the city?

Let me help you a little bit here:
Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

We also see there that THIS city is a CUBE. Twelve thousand furlongs is 1500 miles. This city is 1500 miles square and 1500 miles high. Now, to help your imagination better, the Burj Khalifa (tallest building in the world) is 0.5145 miles tall in the UAE. Place the Burj inside the New Jerusalem and measure again.

(btw 1 furlong = 0.125miles - if you don't agree, Google it) So, 12,000 X 0.125miles.

You are still missing the point, even that New Jerusalem in not heaven. There has never been any measurement of heaven. It's unfortunate that your mind can't take it; heaven is not like a city, it's a realm and it is around us, just like your wifi, it is there, but you can't see it, the wifi exists in a different realm or frequency in comparison to you.

When two people describe something, they are most likely to give two different accounts..... water inside a cup, half full or half empty?

plaetton:


Gosh! Just look at the amount of contradictions and cognitive dissonance in your post.
You blame human error for the horrible deaths of 115 Christian pilgrims who came to worship and beseech omni omni skydaddy, yet you don't blame super omni omni skydaddy for not doing anything, any miracle, any exercise of his divine power to prevent, or at the least, to save the lives of 115 faithful from the collapse?
Then WTF is an omni omni loving god ever good for?
Doesn't this event prove, once again, that god is scam, whether he exists or not?

Your thinking is laughable, even though you cite a serious matter. So everything that has the name of God attached to it should be supported by Him even though human being made errors with them?

Why not go and start your own synagogue and call it by God's name and see Him come and dance there just because you added His Name to it? Honestly, your thinking is seriously laughable .....

Weah96:


Million dollar question.

Well, that is the difference; to you it is a million dollar and expensive question to answer, but to the rest of us, we have already been enlightened to understand the truth, Jesus paved the Way for us.

If I were you, I'd spend my life savings to find out the truth, I'd go and visit some of these people and interview them on a one-to-one basis. Why? Because you say if you don't see you won't believe; it's a matter of life and death. Your life depends on knowing and understanding the TRUTH.

qstar:



I mean, comm'on man! We have boko haram, ISIS, Al qaeda, et al grotesquely severing people, sending them to unwanted and tumultuous deaths, we have Cancer, HIV/AIDS, Malaria killing people in their millions, abject poverty ravaging Africa and the under-developed countries. It is reported that an average of 3,000,000 people die yearly from hunger and poverty related issues.

All your deity could do, was to pose for a selfie and reveal it to a Jewish prodigy in an extra-terrestrial chit-chat? Isn't Jonathan and our African presidents better?

Please, whenever you embark on your own chit-chat with the omni-omni daddy, do tell him to sit up, haba!
It seems he's clueless, let him start with Peace! Yes, peace. Let him stop all the wars and insurgencies we hear every now and then, atleast.

You still don't get it!

How can you be blaming God for the evils of mankind?

Have you ever tried to check some of the genesis of these problems? Ever heard of the NWO? Which planet are you living on?
Maybe you can check this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1955870/open-eyes-war

So, God created man to do all that is evil? He made them invent the Atomic Bomb that destroyed Nagasaki & Hiroshima? Why do we always look for excuses perpetrated by the evil of mankind and blame it on God? Why are we so proud and always try to deflect blame and responsibility?

plaetton:



I mean, cognitive dissonace is a very debilitating mental illness.
Imagine that 115 god-believing worshippers left the confines of their countries, left the churches, pastors and gods in their countries to see the super-god in Nigeria, to be near to god, to hear his voice and receive his blessings and cures for their various ailments.
What happens?
Well, the god of Nigeria decides to kill them by allowing the temple, his temple to fall them and grind them to pieces.
And....?
You would think that this calamity, this act of god, would force a rethink of the role of god in human affairs .
Nope!
Blame it on the devil and move on.

Religion is insanity.
Really.

Point of correction: I hate religion more than you!
Following Jesus is not a religion, it is a mind-set and a lifestyle.

urheme:


I have watched a movie " the sixth sense" by Bruce Willis, it just shows that some kids are just gifted, the movie has nothing to do with religion or heaven but dead people use to come to this boy for various help.

your boy in question could also be gifted though, but also influence with the Christian religion, he must have been taught the doctrines of heaven and hell.

the various stories of heaven put together, does it really match the description of heaven as described in the holy books? or do the holy books have any accurate description of this place at all?

how are they so sure that what they saw was heaven?

So, you mean if we all (say 10 of us) visited a place where we have never been before and are told to write or describe the place we have been, we would all say exactly the same things?

Moses was "caught up to God" on the mount, and God showed him some things about heaven, of which He later told him, "See that you make it according to the pattern showed to you on the mountain." Later, John the apostle had a similar revelation, he describes the same but in a more vivid way, would you question their visions that they didn't see the same things even though they are describing it differently?

Dapo777:


This was What the boy's father said: “I’ve always had high regard for Scripture but the Bible is confusing about heaven at best. There’s verses here and there and they’re all kind of mixed up. They don’t draw out a very good picture,” he said. “You know you have to trust God. You know hell is way worse than heaven. But what is heaven like? Streets are gold, gates are made of pearl. But it is very minimal on details.”

The father agrees that the Bible doesn't give concrete description of heaven and that father has to believe and have faith that his son's experience is genuine,despite other people's different descriptions of the heaven They saw.

That's why I am asking that question,Since the Bible doesn't give enough descriptions of heaven,how do we know whose account is accurate? Why are They not all having the same descriptions of the same heaven ?

That question is very important.

I wished you never asked such a silly question, really.

Ordinarily, you must have thought that heaven is a small room, isn't it?

Even, if you put identical twins in a room, would they describe it with the same adjectives in the same way?

Let me help you ask your question properly: How would you describe life on Earth? Which part would you be happy to use to summarize your experience? The Californiana deserts or the Tropical Africa? The Caribbean Island Beaches or the Venetian buildings? The skyscrapers of Manhattan or the China Wall?

plaetton:


As my friend Mazaje has intervened in a timely manner to show that your so-called respected neurosurgeon has been clearly refuted in his claims.
The point here is that you apparently do not know the meaning of hallucination. You think it is some kind of insult.
An entire hallucination can take place withing a very small fraction of second immediately after his brain supposedly rebooted and came back to functionality. In other words, his heavenly experience most likely occurred during the rebooting process. But that is something I don't ever expect you to understand, talkless of agreeing with.

You religiotards are beholden to magical thinking. It is your bread and butter.

I find it funny and at the same time sad that while blokes like you keep shouting heaven heaven, real humans with funtioning brains are building rocketships to heaven, to study the heavens for the future possibility of human colonization.

https://www.nairaland.com/1923049/india-successfully-goes-mars-just#27323274

I guess you are the one who may not know the meaning of hallucination. For argument's sake here it is:
"an experience involving the apparent perception of something not present."

Now answer my previous question about the boy, because so far, you have failed to provide an explanation as to the facts the boy brought back with him in his glimpse of heaven:
#1. The sister he never met nor was aware ever existed.
#2. His grandfather whom he never met but was able to identify in a photo?
#3. His view of his father screaming in the chapel?
#4. His description of what Jesus Christ truly looks like?

Were these as a result of hallucinations?
If not, what was it that he experienced?

Dapo777:


Same applies to the 3 year old,what makes you think,the younger the person that had such encounter the more genuine It's likely to be? The boys account is different from every other persons account. If another young boy should have an encounter of heaven,his story would be different,the features of heaven he would see would be different from this. Why??

I beg for an answer...... why??

You have failed to provide an explanation as to the facts the boy brought back with him in his glimpse of heaven:
#1. The sister he never met nor was aware ever existed.
#2. His grandfather whom he never met but was able to identify in a photo?
#3. His view of his father screaming in the chapel?
#4. His description of what Jesus Christ truly looks like?

Were these as a result of hallucinations?
If not, what was it that he experienced?

Dapo777:


Why is it that, everyone's account of heaven and hell is always different? Is it that the appearance of heaven and hell is always changing or What?
I don't get it.

If heaven and hell are places,everyone who went there should have coherent description naaa. Abi What do you think?

All kinds of excuses have been given about adults and their NDE experiences, what about a 3yr 10months old boy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/magazine/my-son-went-to-heaven-and-all-i-got-was-a-no-1-best-seller.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

mazaje:


He is not a respected neurosurgeon anywhere, he is a liar who was just trying to use religious faith to make some cool cash by publishing a book based on lies and fiction. . .

Over the course of the past 12 years, he has apparently worked at three separate hospitals, but his employment has ended without explanation at each location. Here’s a sample surrounding his departure from one of the hospitals he once worked at:

In August 2003, UMass Memorial suspended Alexander’s surgical privileges “on the basis or allegation of improper performance of surgery.” (The specifics of the case leading to the suspension are confidential, though Alexander claims it resulted from “a very complex repeat operation I did around the brain stem of a patient in which the patient had more difficulty recovering after the operation I would say than I anticipated and than I led them to believe.”) His suspension technically ended in November of that same year, but he never went back to work at UMass Memorial. He resigned. The following year he did a little freelance consulting for the Gerson Lehrman Group, a company that matches corporations with experts in various fields, and also filed an unsuccessful lawsuit against the Brigham and Women’s Hospital, claiming it improperly withheld more than $400,000 of his retirement and deferred-compensation plans. He had been more or less out of work for fifteen months when, in March 2005, he received a letter from the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine asking him to respond to a complaint form they’d received from a former patient who was upset that Alexander had stopped responding to phone calls. Alexander wrote a letter back, explaining that the complaint was invalid because he was no longer practicing and that, furthermore, he would soon be leaving the state altogether.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

He was actually a Dr without a job until he devised a means to sell a lie using religious faith to make cool cash. . .All he is doing is what you and others do all the time, which is to tell lies for Jesus. . .Even he himself had had to change some of his stories when confronted by other experts. . .

While I can't vouch for Dr Eben Alexander's work experience, I can only go by what is reported in the news media, yet I can only see that his main neagtive critic has been only ONE source amidst many other positive critics, one of which is Huffington Post.

Here is the interview:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-peschke/near-death-experiences_b_4151093.html

mazaje:


You are already beating a dead horse, Dr Eben Alexander has been dubunked and shown to be a lair by other neuroscientist, this topic was discussed here on nairaland last year. . .

Here is an entry that debunks most of his claims and show them to be false. . .

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/26/dr_eben_alexanders_so_called_after_life/

In one of the book's most dramatic scenes, Dr. Laura Potter prepares Alexander to move from the ER to the ICU. In those final moments, after two straight hours of struggle—thrashing and guttural groans and wails—Eben Alexander grows quiet and shouts out, for everyone present to hear, "God, help me!" The doctors, nurses, his wife Holley and his neighbor Michael Sullivan, an Episcopal rector, rush to his stretcher, but Alexander remains completely unresponsive.

Dramatic, but it could not have happened. Dr. Potter has no recollection of the incident but she does remember that she intubated Alexander more than an hour before his departure from the ER. Could he have shouted anything, let alone something clearly heard? "No," she says.

He made a claim in his book while the doctor present there says he waas lying, it never happened. . .When will christians STOP Lying for Jesus?. . .

To be honest, the arguments presented as a debunk to Dr Eben Alexander's experience are just arguments against his experience, they do not hold water.

Who else would like to debunk the story of the boy upon which the movie, "Heaven Is Real" was based?

I am looking forward to that now.

plaetton:


You prove my point that everyone who has these experiences attributed it to some divine event. That is natural and to be expected.

Since his brain was supposedly dead for those moments, then its very easy why he had those hallucinations when his Braun rebooted back to life.
Such hallucinations also occur when people wake up from general anaesthesia after the nerve cells had been weakened by anaesthetics.

By your logic, one should also conclude that people under the influence of the Laughing Gas are in reality laughing at dome divine comedy taking place in the heavenly

dimension.
Abi?


As per the rest of your statements, well, you have behaved like a typical religiotard by invoking the devil and making threats if eternal suffering to what was supposed to be a sound logical discussion.
I call this trait " Religious Decoherence", and it is and embarrassing and extreme form of cognitive dissonance ( when a religiotard meets the brick wall of reason).

You are such a joke!

Do you know where the threats you attributed to me is coming from? Your guilty conscience. As they say, "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for crime." If you like, in spite of the evidence, continue to make excuses and dismiss the facts. Although, I doubt you read the article, maybe you just skimmed through it, otherwise, you won't be saying 90% of what you say except you just want make yourself look really foolish.

Perhaps, you do not think through before writing your replies. I will implore you to read the two articles again. This is not a religious matter, the guy wasn't even preaching, he's a respected neurosurgeon. How can you attribute his experiences to hallucination? No, you didn't read the article and hear him well.

In addition, did you see the video at the bottom of the page about the boy who went to heaven? "Heaven is Real". Do you want to tell me that a small boy who was born much AFTER his mother lost a baby through miscarriage (and never talked about it); got to meet the miscarried baby girl in heaven and later mentioned it to the shock of his parents? Hallucinating? You must be joking!

"Ignorantia juris non excusat" or "Ignorantia legis neminem excusat".

plaetton:

I read it, and I still fail to see how his personal interpretation of his experience proves the existence of god.
His use of the words " heavenly dimension" clearly betrays where he is coming from.
And I repeat, I too, on more than one occasion, have had experiences that I would tend to describe as being of heavenly dimensions.
How dies it ever prove that god exists?

Even if his and more my interpretations are true, it would point to the fact, as I have argued before on this forum, that the human brain posses quantum mechanical properties that allows it, once in while, to act as a conduit that connects to , trssmits and receive electromagnetic impulses from other dimensions or realities.
If true, it only proves that other realities exists just like ours, and perhaps just existing in a different vibrational frequency from our own reality.

There are plentiful narcotic and psychotropic herbs and drugs that also alter brain waves and open the window to other realities. These are what ancient shamans used for divinations.

So , my friend, there is nothing new about out-of-body experiences and the various interpretations given to them.

What you failed to observe was the fact that he said his brain stopped working, every form of his consciousness stopped, and every minute of this account was properly documented.

And, as you claimed, if you have had similar experience before and you can still claim the non-existence of God, then I pity your future in eternity, which sadly, would be Hell. I say that with all sadness and humility.

I would agree with you on the fact that heaven (or the spiritual world) operates at a different frequency in comparison with our world. That is the point, the reality of the existence of this other world does prove the existence of God. The man in that story, Dr Eben Alexander, did confess his skepticism of the whole matter of life after death.

Another point is that almost ALL who have had this experience always tell of their encounters with a Supreme being. Perhaps, your experience is one that was induced by drugs, to which I believe you cannot have the complete picture, but your encounter was with demons, and the Bible has revealed to us that "Satan is an angel of light."

plaetton:
Dear op,
I don't know how to say these without appearing as insultive, so forgive me in advance.

What is it about religion, the belief in god, that seem to make everyone reason like toddlers?

You say " based on your understanding of the brain"....

How extensive is your understanding of the human brain? Are you a neuro-specialist of any kind?

How exactly does an out-of-body experience prove the existence of god?

I have what you call out-of-body experiences quite often. Yes.
Such experiences have not and does not anyway lead me to conclude that god exists.
I simply don't see the connection.
How do you make the connections?

As per your so-called angelic visitations, again, you such experiences are confined only to the mind of the individual, how does it become true, and how again does it ever prove the existence of sky-daddy?

Has it ever occurred to you that three people, a village farmer, a religious priest, and a highly educated philosopher would each give three different interpretations to the same dream or the same epiphany?
The village farmer would hear the voice of his dead ancestors, the priest would hear the voice of god, Jesus or an Angel, while the philosopher would perceive the interconnectedness of existential truths.

My point is that your mental experiences, within or outside your body, are constructed on the raw materials of your own personal reality, your character, and your value system.

You might as well say that LSD hallucinations or other narcotics- induced highs and hallucinations are also proof of god's existence.
Can you honestly say that?

Did you read the article before making a comment? I doubt it.
Your argument is completely out-of-sync with the article.

Let me quote the man again:
"What is unique in my case is that I am, as far as scientific records show, the only person to have travelled to this heavenly dimension with the cortex in complete shut-down, while under minute observation throughout.

There are medical records for every minute of my coma, and none of them show any indication of brain activity. In other words, as far as neuroscience can say, my journey was not something happening inside my head.

Plenty of scientists have a lot of difficulty with this statement. My experience undermines their whole belief system." - Dr Eben Alexander.

https://www.nairaland.com/1963306/read-claim-atheism#27385634

Atheists CAN'T argue against this guy!
There is MEDICAL proof that defies scientists!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2797764/what-heaven-s-really-like-leading-brain-surgeon-says-s-read-testimony-scoff-just-shake-beliefs.html

"What is unique in my case is that I am, as far as scientific records show, the only person to have travelled to this heavenly dimension with the cortex in complete shut-down, while under minute observation throughout.

There are medical records for every minute of my coma, and none of them show any indication of brain activity. In other words, as far as neuroscience can say, my journey was not something happening inside my head."

Where are the atheists on NAIRALAND?

"What is unique in my case is that I am, as far as scientific records show, the only person to have travelled to this heavenly dimension with the cortex in complete shut-down, while under minute observation throughout.
There are medical records for every minute of my coma, and none of them show any indication of brain activity. In other words, as far as neuroscience can say, my journey was not something happening inside my head.
Plenty of scientists have a lot of difficulty with this statement. My experience undermines their whole belief system." - Dr Eben Alexander.