To the sceptics of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, eat your heart out!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bLlpiWh9-k

Try and tell these people there is no spiritual world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LphKrKfiCMM&list=PLC8A8BD06DDE83C17
and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqE0Ls1EiA&list=PLC8A8BD06DDE83C17
and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbvDrd-ZVo

N.B
Due to the nature of my business, I may not be as active as I would have like to be in the next coming months. All the best for now, it's been wonderful knowing you all, Seun, KAY17, TheBigUrban2, Weah96, gstar, finofaya, dapo777, plaetton, mazaje, Alchemist13, Apatheist, Papacypaul, and others who I may not be able to remember now, but you will be in my prayers.

The TRUTH of the matter is that God or the Bible doesn't need defending. How many people have challenged either or both over the centuries and have returned to ashes and dust? How many from the last century is here today to mount up the same defense? All these, that we do - debates, arguments, exchange of information - are for our own benefits, it doesn't add to God and neither does it remove from Him. As He said in one place, "He that has an ear let him hear". Everyone will get his reward for good or bad. Yes, it may sound like a cliche, that is because it is a truth that has been rehashed over the centuries, and no matter how beaten or battered truth may be, it will always remain, standing the test of time.

I wish everyone well.

I love you all.

God Bless!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvSN3dnmBw0

Dapo777:

yes, I was even looking for that thread where I was defending Christians,at least it's a prove that I was once a stauch Christian, so I understand the Christians very well.

He that endures TILL THE END shall be saved; Better is the end of a thing than the beginning of it.

qstar:

BraveGuy, when you want to have a civil debate, you do not resort to "threats". Is it argumentum ad baculum or what?

It's a pity that all these your "hellish threats" do not get to atheists. Just beating the air. You are indirectly showcasing your insecurity here.

What threats? Saying that he'll meet God face-to-face? No, that's not a threat. We'll ALL meet Him face to face sooner or later - give and take another 50 years max, it will happen. So, there is no need to construe a reality check as a silly excuse of threat. But if you still want to call it a threat, then so be it - for ALL of us, including me.

I remembered when I was in high school and we'd be poking fun at some teacher and as if it was the wind, the man would suddenly enter the class, having heard our loud noises as he walked by. So, believe it or not, it will happen one day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EaWPIlNYY

Weah96:

LOL, selective breeding of livestock goes back a long way. I wouldn't sensationalize it. What do you mean when you say that he didn't touch the cattle? B)estiality? It is said that the ancients Jews were quite fond of their goats, if you know what I mean. And btw, there is no archaeological or historical record of ANY Jewish exodus from Egypt. It was an hallucination.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/archeology-hebrew-bible.html

What a fantastic hoax or hallucination, it must have been then, just like the holocaust was, isn't it?

http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-date-1440bc.htm

@weah96

If you have been following the trail I have been trying to express, that there is a spiritual world out there, then see these:
Bob Dylan..... Maybe he was also hallucinating in this interview, too. Shut your eyes to reality and suddenly you will meet God face-to-face when the opportunity to repent is long gone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKkZcgrec8A

Some others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YHi6bYgp8I

mazaje1:

Takes drops of water from the sea and sends them as rain isn't a complete picture of the water cycle, it is actually just one part of it. . .here is a complete picture. . .The water doesn't come from the sea alone. . .

You did not take this Scripture into account:
Psa 65:7 You calm the roar of the seas and the noise of the waves; you calm the uproar of the peoples.
Psa 65:8 The whole world stands in awe of the great things that you have done. Your deeds bring shouts of joy from one end of the earth to the other.
Psa 65:9 You show your care for the land by sending rain; you make it rich and fertile. You fill the streams with water; you provide the earth with crops. This is how you do it:
Psa 65:10 you send abundant rain on the plowed fields and soak them with water; you soften the soil with showers and cause the young plants to grow.

@Weah96

I have read your cited articles:
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/environment-controls-gene-expression-sex-determination-and-982 (I like this one)
&
http://entheology./2008/12/14/benny-shanon-moses-and-entheogens/

The reason why I cited the matters of genetic manipulation or influence and the use of psychedelic drugs was to bring you to a place of awareness that there is a spiritual world that can influence our natural world.

I also cited the case of Jacob, who was the first geneticist, he didn't use any drug nor did he touch the cattle. Yet, he was able to influence them in a unique way.

@Weah96.
It seems to me that you're willing to believe anything or anyone that tries to discredit the Bible. That is a fruitless exercise. From disputing the fact that Moses wrote the Bible to him using psychedelic drugs.

And little Joseph, when he dreamed of his future? Or when he was imprisoned and the Pharaoh dreamed and he interpreting the dreams?

And Daniel, whose life was in danger when Nebuchadnezzar had a dream and forgot it, but demanded that his wise-men, magicians, astrologers should find out the dream and it's interpretation?

And John the apostle, who was in a prison camp on the Isle of Patmos?

Think about it yourself, does that makes sense?

Anyway, as I have always said before now, it's a choice YOU alone have to make.

Weah96: Here is the link to another article written by Shanon in which he argues again that the authors of the bible were under the influence of psychoactive plants.

http://www.imprint.co.uk/pdf/Roberts.pdf

The abstract is here:

http://entheology./2008/12/14/benny-shanon-moses-and-entheogens/

Over 40 writers in three different continents spanning 1500 years?
And you believe that?

With some of them seeing visions that accurately predict the future or seeing the past? Common!

Kay17:

But without the interpretational rules, the bible can't be properly read.

Although, I am taking a much more radical approach in my previous comments, but this may be what you are referring to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK7g5nz3tUc

alchemist13:
The SPOKEN WORD of God seems to be many things these days.

Well, it depends on what you mean by "many things". If you are indirectly referring to the fake preachers (that definition may be difficult to qualify), then you're missing the point.

But if you are referring to personal transformation, I would like to agree with you.

Kay17:

But without the interpretational rules, the bible can't be properly read.

It depends on what rules you are referring to.

I am LEARNING, that at the intellectual level, you can only go so far and not beyond a certain degree or distance, especially in spiritual knowledge and understanding. That is why it says, "the natural man does not understand the things of God because they are spiritually discerned".

It is just like a Biology textbook, there is a certain way in which you read and understand it (maybe that is what you are referring to as interpretational rules), but that way is different from the way you handle a physics textbook.

@KAY17.....

I guess we can reason a little more on this science of perception, enzymes and amino acids manipulation.

Take your time and read Genesis 30, with particular attention to verses 37 to 41.

Gen 30:37 And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.
Gen 30:38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.
Gen 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
Gen 30:40 And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the flocks toward the ringstraked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban; and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban's cattle.
Gen 30:41 And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.

What do you think the man was doing there? Is that not molecular biology or should rephrase that, epigenetics? He didn't use any chemicals, needle or any of such external agency.

Reyginus: I don't understand how you did?

It was stated in that verse all along, some 2000years ago.

Weah96:

The article says that it does. What is known as perception is only a series of chemical reactions modulated by enzymes. Enzymes can, by themselves, alter the environment of a nucleus enough to cause a change in phenotype. The article gives an example of one such enzyme, N-acetyltransferase. It is possible for the enzymes associated with certain emotional states to alter the phenotype of an individual, for good or bad.

I am yet to read (because I am at work), but I'll take your word for it.

Good. I believe you are aware that some governments do perform experiments where personalities are altered and different results are achieved, a good example is the portrayal of Robert Ludlum's Jason Bourne. Also, you know what happens when people take some chemicals/drugs, they begin to hallucinate and they enter into an altered state and some reported seeing or conversing with "aliens". In fact, some were said to never recover.

And you know where you learn advanced level of that without the use of any external agency such as use of chemicals? The Bible.

Can you see the connection between perception, chemicals and the spiritual realm?

Papacypaul:
I love you but I am gonna roast you in my celestial oven for ever if you dont love me back,I am wise and benevolent but I am going to punish all your descendants because you ate a fruit,I want you to let my people go but I am going to harden your heart so you refuse to let them go so I can kill your children to show how mighty I am.
This guy should be in a lunatic asylum.

The fruit is a metaphor, not a physical fruit

http://brotherjohn.org/forbidden-fruit/

BraveGuy:

I will start giving you straight answers, if you can understand fine, if not, tough!

It is found in the pattern of the Tabernacle of Moses. The Rules are in three levels:
Outer Court
Holy Place
Holy of Holies.

I learnt that from Brother John (he has been quiet since he joined NL). See here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1799532/pattern-letter-veil

In other words there are three levels of understanding in the comprehension of the Word of God; and if you have it at the back of your mind that there are three levels of understanding to the Scriptures, which is patterned according to the design of the temple, then you will do well.
#1. Intellectual Understanding
#2. Spiritual Understanding
#3. Fullness Understanding

"If you are not born again, you will never attain to the 2nd and 3rd levels. It doesn't matter if you are a professor of theology or preacher in a mega-church."

Weah96:

Halfway into the first video, and the man is already telling lies. All undergraduate biology students must study epigenetics. Many universities offer it as a separate course, including GSU. Scientists have known for some time now that a man is not only his genes, but a combination of genes and environmental interactions. There are two kinds of environmental interactions that impact our phenotype as far as DNA is concerned: those that alter the nucleotide sequence (Hiroshima survivors) and those that don't. In the latter, the gene is switched off or on based on the influence of environmental factors, but the sequence of nucleotides remains unchanged. That is Epigenetics. Most ordinary people know about this. I've even heard stoners like Joe Rogan mention it on his podcast. Why is the good doctor attributing an imaginary position to the scientific community? Here is a Nature article from 2008, the year I graduated college. It wasn't a secret, even 6 years ago.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/environment-controls-gene-expression-sex-determination-and-982

I will try to find time to read that article.

But are you saying that perception has no effect on gene manipulation?

Kay17:

The Bible didn't say a word on that either.

I forgot to ask a very important question: where are the interpretational rules used to understand the Bible, found?

I will start giving you straight answers, if you can understand fine, if not, tough!

It is found in the pattern of the Tabernacle of Moses. The Rules are in three levels:
Outer Court
Holy Place
Holy of Holies.

I learnt that from Brother John (he has been quiet since he joined NL). See here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1799532/pattern-letter-veil

@ TheBigUrban2
@ mazaje
@ mazaje1

I challenged you guys to the video of Isaac Newton private research discoveries; You are yet to report back if Isaac Newton was deluded and crazy, too. Was he?

If you forgot, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7xTqx7tv_w

Happy Viewing

TheBigUrban2: This braveguy needs flogging.

Sir, you have been talking nonsense for over 3days on this thread. SHARRAP

Seriously, you have the nerve to talk about biology when you believe that a dead man came back to life. The dead man was first beaten, then nailed to a cross and then stabbed in the side to check if he really died.

How is that biologically possible? A man that bled to death coming back to life?

Another diversion? Are you questioning the Resurrection ​now?

mazaje1:

See delusion. . .

What has this got to do with scientist at CERN?

EVERYTHING!

The elusive particle is the SPOKEN WORD of God, which contains the energy that holds/supports/glues ALL things to be held together. I am happy that you will take the time to listen to some of the lectures of Dr Lipton. Afterwards, I will explain to you that all he was trying to explain was already in the Bible.

Weah96:

I studied biology at the graduate and undergraduate levels at Georgia State and Clayton State. I completed both programs. What in the world are you talking about?

Great! Good foundation to start your research into NEW Biology.

You can start from this public lecture by Dr Bruce Lipton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq_QJVaINT0

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8tR7Rf7rs

mazaje1:

See delusion. . .

What has this got to do with scientist at CERN?

For the first time, Mazaje, you and I agree on the same thing

This latest endeavor at CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) because the search may reveal unknown subatomic particles. They are on a quest not to prove the big bang, they hope that to be a byproduct of the experiments, what the real primer of all these experiments, all these resources (US$9-10Billion), and great minds hope to find is something called, ironically dubbed 'The God Particle.'

The Higgs particle that can explain many things. They believe, it's a particle, or set of particles, that might give others mass. It would put many pieces into place and help complete the puzzle. It's no wonder they named it the God particle. God could certainly accomplish that. You atheists, why didn't you argue with those scientists that they are even wrong to name that elusive particle - God Particle?

I believe I have found it! The Bible gives the source and it's the last place scientists are looking at, so they will NEVER find it. It is in the MOUTH of GOD.

Hebrews 1:3,
"Who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" (American Standard Version)

I would like to add more on The God Particle dilemma.

This latest endeavor at CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) because the search may reveal unknown subatomic particles. They are on a quest not to prove the big bang, they hope that to be a byproduct of the experiments, what the real primer of all these experiments, all these resources (US$9-10Billion), and great minds hope to find is something called, ironically dubbed 'The God Particle.'

The Higgs particle that can explain many things. They believe, it's a particle, or set of particles, that might give others mass. It would put many pieces into place and help complete the puzzle. It's no wonder they named it the God particle. God could certainly accomplish that. You atheists, why didn't you argue with those scientists that they are even wrong to name that elusive particle - God Particle?

I believe I have found it! The Bible gives the source and it's the last place scientists are looking at, so they will NEVER find it. It is in the MOUTH of GOD.

Hebrews 1:3,
"Who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" (American Standard Version)

When ANY of you get brave enough, go and take time to study the evidence being presented in NEW BIOLOGY, you will make astonishing discoveries that are making biology experts rethink and rewrite their textbooks.

You will finally discover that NEW BIOLOGY leads you back into the Bible as TRUE!

mazaje1:

You have a video evidence for this or are you just regurgitating ancient hebrew mythology and fiction?. . .

You're just churning out nonsense without thinking!


How did you think paramedics came about the "Kiss of Life"?

Go and read more

Kay17: @braveguy

I have given you my take on the Bible. By the way, since you trust scientific explanations, why don't you accept the prevalent scientific cosmological theory - the Big Ban.g theory - it looks like you pick and choose what you want.

To be honest with you, when I first heard of the Big Bang Theory, I could see some credibility and even compatibility with Genesis 1 there. But, you and I know that with the advent of the "redshift" explanation and also a very strong point made by someone of the crucial beginning, I began to doubt the theory. See:
"If the open universe we see today is extrapolated back near the beginning, the ratio of the actual density of matter in the universe to the critical density must differ from unity by just a part in 1059. Any larger deviation would result in a universe already collapsed on itself or already dissipated."
Read more here:
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Now the Higgs Boson theory is of a higher calibre scientific explanation, too. But then, it has a lot of holes as well.

This is what they are calling the "holy grail of particle physics," over at CERN. They spent 10 billion to build it just to find the Higgs Boson, after all.

I just felt my Bible gives the BEST plausible beginning to Creation and I'm yet to see any notable theory dispossess it. It says of the Creator in Hebrews 1:3,
"who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" (ASV)

@KAY17.... I would like to add a point or two to my previous comment in reply to you.

I quoted scriptures that, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20-21)

A casual reading of 2 Peter 1:20—with little concern for the context in which the passage is found—might very well lead one to understand the verse in such a manner. However, a closer examination of this passage reveals that it is not just about those who read the Scriptures, but also refers to those who wrote the Scriptures as well. By studying the context of the passage, one learns that the passage is discussing how the Scriptures came into existence, not just how they are to be “interpreted.”

Continuing the thought from verse 20 to verse 21, we read: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (emphasis added). That little word “for” in verse 21 connects the two thoughts.

The reason that “no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation” is because “prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (emp. added). The word “for” connects the two thoughts.

Peter is saying that the prophets did not invent what they wrote; rather, they were guided by the Holy Spirit (also check 2 Timothy 3:16-17). No doubt this is why the NIV reads: “No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20, emp. added)

In any case, you can choose what you will - Accept or Reject - choice is yours.