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My knowledge of the brain made me quite sure that out-of-body experiences, angelic encounters and the like were hallucinations, brought on when the brain suffered a trauma.
And then, in the most dramatic circumstances possible, I discovered proof that I was wrong. Six years ago, I woke up one morning with a searing headache. Within a few hours, I went into a coma: my neocortex, the part of the brain that handles all the thought processes making us human, had shut down completely. - Dr Eben Alexander

Read the rest here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2797764/what-heaven-s-really-like-leading-brain-surgeon-says-s-read-testimony-scoff-just-shake-beliefs.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2797764/what-heaven-s-really-like-leading-brain-surgeon-says-s-read-testimony-scoff-just-shake-beliefs.html

"My knowledge of the brain made me quite sure that out-of-body experiences, angelic encounters and the like were hallucinations, brought on when the brain suffered a trauma." - Dr Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon, an academic who taught brain science at Harvard Medical School.

[size=15pt]Atheists, think again![/size]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

Neurosurgeon Dr Eben Alexander was convinced out-of-body experiences were hallucinations — until he went into a coma himself and had what he now believes was a glimpse of heaven.

Do you have to get into a coma before you believe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

I saw this article:

http://www.naturalnews.com/047089_Ebola_pandemic_government_lies_disinformation.html

Information is wealth, take your FREE portion and not be poor!

They also Ebola is not airborne. IT'S A LIE!!

See..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20341423

This is not fear-mongering, don't buy into their media propagation as well; but it's telling you to get yourself prepared and not be caught unawares.

Well, to the non-believers, this may not be for you, don't worry go and continue with your "fun".

But for those who know that there is a lot going on in this world RIGHT NOW, check this information and start planning for your FUTURE - the safety of the future is in Christ!

Especially, to you, Jesus follower, you MUST know that we are at war!
Time to get on our KNEES and fight back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5vLuGPV-lU

Weah96:
You may be right. I guess the Muslims are serving the wrong God, even though they think you guys are.

I guess you are right as well. But, how do you know the authentic from the fake or the true way as against the falsehood?

Very simple.

Check the lifestyle of the person/people, does it conform and even beats the moral standards of the society? If not, it is false and fake. Avoid it!

What does it mean to be born again?

It is to believe and ACCEPT Jesus as your Saviour. That is all.

However, you would need to start considering whether you want to accept Jesus as your Lord, too. Jesus Christ either rules your life (telling you what to do) or Satan does. There is no middle way.

Lastly, you need to be FREE! The Bible gives and advice:

Ecclesiastes 11:9 says, "Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment. Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity."

Another version states it like this:
"Young people, it’s wonderful to be young! Enjoy every minute of it. Do everything you want to do; take it all in. But remember that you must give an account to God for everything you do. 10 So refuse to worry, and keep your body healthy. But remember that youth, with a whole life before you, is meaningless."

So, that advice should banish all forms of fear from your mind. No one should force you to do whatever you don't want to do, just be aware of the consequences of your actions, whichever way you choose.

BraveGuy:
Why do people always forget that Jesus says food offered to idols pollute His people? If Jesus can say that why do we try to justify it?

He complained that "Balaam" was permitted in doing it to His people.
Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

He also complained that "Jezebel" was permitted to doing it to His people.
Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest (allows) that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols."

NLT..... Revelation 2 verse...

The Message to the Church in Pergamum....

14 “But I have a few complaints against you. You tolerate some among you whose teaching is like that of Balaam, who showed Balak how to trip up the people of Israel. He taught them to sin by eating food offered to idols and by committing sexual sin. 15 In a similar way, you have some Nicolaitans among you who follow the same teaching. 16 Repent of your sin, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

The Message to the Church in Thyatira.....

20 “But I have this complaint against you. You are permitting that woman—that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet—to lead my servants astray. She teaches them to commit sexual sin and to eat food offered to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she does not want to turn away from her immorality.

If it is okay to eat Ileya meat carefree, then where do we put these verses, which Jesus clearly shows His disgust?

This does not contradict Paul's teaching in any way. There must be balance. I believe the balance is that you should not go out to deliberately eat/buy food offered to idols. It causes personal pollution. Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, "It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

However, should you be served food that have been offered to idols, since you have given thanks (to God) over the food, you should not be bound in fear that you have been polluted. And if you see another at such a table, don't seek to condemn the person. Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

bolaino:
yeah right, I will go to hell and you will go to heavenn yada yada yada, hypocrite.

pesty100:
I see no difference between you style of preaching and the BOKO brothers

What!!!
Boko people are your brothers?

Btw, who tells you that I am not running for my dear life like everyone who thinks of the future?

While I don't live in the fear of the future, I live in the holy reverential fear of God.

Anyways, no offence intended, I saw and read a likeable article on a subject not preached, or explained and decided to share it, what is the problem with that?

ptase:
one cannot really "overcome" the mark, but escape it.

Did you read the article?
It says overcome the Beast and its mark.

How do you want to escape without overcoming first?

bolaino:
Smh

Don't worry, are you just "syh"?
You will soon do more than shake your head when the judgements of God hit where you dwell. You will seek death, but it will flee from you - Revelation 9:5-6 >
"They were not allowed to kill them, but were only allowed to torture them for five months. Their torture was like the pain of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days men will be hoping for death, and it will not come to them; and they will have a great desire for death, and death will go in flight from them."

http://brotherjohn.org/overcoming-the-beast-its-mark/

"If you have been following this series from the Who Is The AntiChrist? Then you must have read those on The Mark of The Beast and seen how we may have all been affected through all the facets of society," writes Brother John.

I have thoroughly enjoyed Brother John's articles and I love to share them. I hope it answers or helps someone along the line. If you have still not read the previous three articles in the series, I encourage you to do so, they will not only open your eyes, but will also help you avoid the potholes of hell that are meant to derail mankind.

http://brotherjohn.org/overcoming-the-beast-its-mark/

@edogho.....
I didn't want to respond to the foolishness of Man, but it never ceases to amaze me that this same foolishness tries to appear as wisdom to the less discerning.

When or where did Jesus said He, Jesus, wasn't good? He said only God is good, was it not left to the person who called him good to acknowledge that, "You're the Christ and You are Good"?

Like Emusan answered you in one statement, Jesus declared Himself as the Good Shepherd.... How many Shepherds does Israel have? - Psalm 80:1 One or two?

Jesus is either a liar or telling the truth!

In that same breath, your questioning of 1 Corin 15:24-28; I will ask you this - which of the three manifestations of the Sun is NOT the Sun?
#1. The gases that form the Sun?
#1. The heat that is generated by the Sun?
#1. The light that is radiated by the Sun?

Which is NOT the Sun?

When God, who is able and capable of manifesting Himself as He chooses, decides to use a form that we can easily relate to, YOU decide that He can't! Who do you think you are?!

John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
John 9:6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
John 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
John 9:8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
John 9:9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
John 9:10 Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?
John 9:11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
John 9:12 Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.
John 9:13 They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
John 9:14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
John 9:15 Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
John 9:17 They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
John 9:18 But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
John 9:19 And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
John 9:20 His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
John 9:21 But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
John 9:22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
John 9:23 Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
John 9:24 Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
John 9:25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
John 9:26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
John 9:27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

Even when your EYES have beheld the truth of God, like the Jews, will refuse to humbly acknowledge the Truth of God.

@Image123....

It's not worth it. After the first and second admonition, let a heretic be..... Worse still, God's last warning has gone forth, it's time to run to the Mountains (as Lot was warned)..... the door is about to close on the Virgins.... one must get wise. We can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

These guys want to "win" arguments, thinking they are much more intellectual? Let them. The time spent on explaining things may be better spent on acquiring more oil into one's lap. I want to get in before the door is closed.

God Bless.

No, JMAN05..... You are the one cherry picking and desperately trying to twist Scriptures. I noticed that you avoided answering any of my questions about .... Who is this Beginning, The End, The Alpha, The Omega, The First & The Last?
Who claimed to be the Almighty in the Book of Revelation?
Who is the One Coming - The Father or Jesus Christ?

To be honest with you (and your JW reading this thread), I thought showing a few scriptures from your own TWISTED NWT translation, which you and I knows was not truly translated from any original, but a modern English distortion of the KJV, would help you rethink your values (and I hope it has been helpful to some JWs), however, you are bent on your house that is built in the sand. When the storm comes, we'll see who will survive it; it is not far away anymore!

I used to debate atheists and false teachers, but seasons have changed for me and don't have such luxury of time anymore, and I have resolved to let people who refuse to accept or believe the truth remain as THEY CHOOSE to be, very very soon, they Day will tell. It won't be long any longer.

The MKJV reads:
Rev 22:10 And he said to me, Do not seal the Words of the prophecy of this Book; for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:11 He acting unjustly, let him still act unjustly. And the filthy, let him be filthy still. And the righteous, let him be righteous still. And the holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according as his work is.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the First and the Last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they who do His commandments, that their authority will be over the Tree of Life, and they may enter in by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 But outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and makes a lie.
Rev 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let the one hearing say, Come! And let the one who is thirsty come. And he willing, let him take of the Water of Life freely.
Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

This is my last response to you.

[size=14pt]AGAIN, I say OBEY John 5:39[/size]

JMAN05:
Because you are raising an issue that has been tackled up to the umpteenth time, your post becomes hilarious.
the word "god" has never being stated by the witnesses as applying to God Almighty alone. Humans, Angels can be given that name. the greek word for "god" means a mighty one.
Angels are called "elohim"(God) at Ps 8:6.
Jesus himself acknowledged that humans were called "theos"(god) in the bible. john 10:34.
So how much more Jesus who has a higher privileges?
Read Gen 17:1
God said that He is the God ALMIGHTY.
a. tell me, what is the difference between a Mighty God and an Almighty God?
b. Who has greater power?
Jesus is called the eternal father cos he is the second Adam thru whom we gain everlasting life.
We do not reject that Jesus came from God as the hebrew scriptures (OT) say. john 5:39, but do you really believe what Jesus believe? for eg:
We read: John 20:17
[NIV] John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Do you believe these words of Jesus?
a. Are you equal to your God?
b. Are you equal to your father atleast in age?
If you view the Almighty as your God, whom you are not equal to, Jesus views Him the same way.
I hope you clearly agree with the trust of that Jesus' statement?

Am I surprised that you would have consulted your superiors with twisted minds - who twist Scriptures for a living? NO!

According to your twisted lies, Eternal Father becomes what?

Perhaps, you failed to read from YOUR NWT, Revelation 1:8 where Jesus declared:
8 “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,”*+ says Jehovah* God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”+

OR you have failed to read in your NWT:
Isaiah 44 vs 6
6 This is what Jehovah says,
The King of Israel+ and his Repurchaser,+ Jehovah of armies:
‘I am the first and I am the last.+
There is no God but me.+

I would like to ask you MORE questions as well:
WHO is the Beginning and the Ending?

Mind you, it was the same Greek word that was used in Revelation 3:14 (NWT 1984) which was also employed in Revelation 22:13 that says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

ar-khay'
From G756 in Strong's Dico; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): - beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

Who is this Beginning, The End, The Alpha, The Omega, The First & The Last?
Who claimed to be the Almighty here again?
Who is the One Coming - The Father or Jesus Christ?

BraveGuy:
Who is being described here?
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/9/
6 For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 To the increase of his rulership*
And to peace, there will be no end,+
On the throne of David+ and on his kingdom
In order to establish it firmly+ and to sustain it
Through justice+ and righteousness,+
From now on and forever.
The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. (Isaiah 9:6-7 NWT)
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/9/

Who Is That Again?

Hey, I thought there are JWs on this forum who would like to face the challenge that they have believed in a LIE by denouncing Jesus as God and acknowledging Him as such.

After pointing some verses in your own Bible, don't you think it's time to change?

I plead with you to start questioning what you have been taught over the years. OBEY John 5:39. Don't even follow all these prosperity preachers or their churches, just obey John 5:39 and your life will never be the same!

Isaiah 26:10
[size=14pt]"Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD." [/size]

Who is being described here?
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/9/
6 For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 To the increase of his rulership*
And to peace, there will be no end,+
On the throne of David+ and on his kingdom
In order to establish it firmly+ and to sustain it
Through justice+ and righteousness,+
From now on and forever.
The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. (Isaiah 9:6-7 NWT)
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/9/

Who Is That Again?

Dapo777:
That's a very weak analogy,.this is a Better one: the legislative, judiciary and executive make laws,But does that exempt them from abiding by the laws They make?
Strong analogy ^^

Before the advent of the New Testament's Matthew 5:39, what did God say in Exodus 21:24? How was He not abiding by His commands?
And when He upped that stake in the New Testament (Matthew 5:39), what happened in John 18:22-23 or Luke 23:34? I ask again: How was He not abiding by His commands?

It seems you revel in blasphemy.

udatso:
i have read the op and its really not worth replying to. different words and personality of certain people mean different things for both faiths(Islam and Christianity ). for example when you call jesus (pbuh), as a muslim i see a prophet and messenger of Allah but a christian on the other hand sees a God. how can you go to the quran and quote verses to prove that in islam only Allah deserves the title Lord and then you go to the bible to quote verses where david and elizabeth addresses jesus as lord and then conclude that with respect to the bible the quran proves or shows that jesus was worshipped as God. Are you insane? Give us evidence where the quran shows that they did. Atleast let there be some level of maturity in your lies if you cant stop it. The fact that you are trying to force your teachings into a different faith from yours is not only dubious but mischievous. sam shamoun who has earned himself a status of international liar always comes up with distorted and spurious claims and i thought by now you guys should have learnt that his nefarious acts should be totally ignored

If the op is not worth replying to, then why did not ignore it, but still went ahead to make your rubbish comments ... ... ... do you think at all? If you don't want me to start quoting all those satanic verses from your quoran, shut up!

Which of your so-called scholars have been bold enough to challenge Sam Shamoun in a debate? They are always running all over the place, making spurious claims that betray nothing but different degrees of inferiority complexes.

When did your Quran's Allah become equal with the Almighty God?

BraveGuy:


Compare these two verses:
John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

John 16:23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you."

NWT
"In that day you will ask me no question at all. Most truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything,+ he will give it to you in my name."

WHO WILL DO what you ask for?

I am still waiting for the answer to these questions....

WHO SAYS YOUR HEAD HAS NOT BEEN MESSED UP BY ISLAM?

Basic logical thinking has departed from you and I'm afraid what that will turn you.

Your Quran contradicts itself in TERRIBLE ways -
1. People of the Book are our brothers (Surah Al ‘Imran, 110; Surat al-Baqara, 62)
then
2. People of the Book must be killed (al-Anfaal 8:39; Surat 48:29).

"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do"
[al-Anfaal 8:39]

"Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful"
[al-Tawbah 9:5]

So HYPOCRITICAL LIARS!!!

Compare these two verses:
John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

John 16:23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you."

NWT
"In that day you will ask me no question at all. Most truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything,+ he will give it to you in my name."

WHO WILL DO what you ask for?

By the way, I want to add that Jesus says, "Search you the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39.

[size=14pt]PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE![/size]

I am happy that you recognize all those names as titles of God, why do you struggle to recognize that the Son of God is also a title of God? The Father is a title and the Holy Spirit is also a title. It is the same God expressing Himself in all these forms.

You had no question except question the thread.

Additionally, you are the deceiver and trying your best to mislead others. You tried to sidestep the Greek origin of the word "Beginning" used in those verses.

""The Beginning" in all of those verses were referring to the same Person.

Ordinarily, we see it with humans of limited intelligence with capacity to customize relations/relationships. A good example is Google. When you make a Google search, you get a customized search engine result. How much more the Almighty God Himself?

Why is it so difficult you people to grasp the Omnipresence and Omnipotence of God? He is able to make Himself available to each of the 7 billion people around the world at the SAME time while attending to each person in a very personal way. You mean God is not able to do as He pleases. Be the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit all at the same time?

Do you know the meaning of Messiah? God the Saviour among His people.

Good question. Humanly speaking that seems to be the most logical and humane way of handling the situation. But it is also a very myopic one. And I will explain as briefly as possible, since half words should become a whole if you assimilate them properly.

1. As you are familiar with the Bible, where did Jacob learn to deceive like his father (Isaac - Genesis 26:9) or grandfather (Abraham - Genesis 20:2)? And you think the Amalekite babies would be any different?
2. Moses was adopted by Pharaoh's daughter, but was his adoption kept a secret forever?
3. Do you believe that if the children were adopted, other nations and even other Israelite children would not know about it and use it to abuse them at some point in time?
4. Even though the Israelites were called sons of God, they were still as sinful as others; don't you think at some point there would be racial discrimination, even when there have been mixed marriages and proper integration?
5. How sure are you that they will never be treated as second class citizens?

If you think deeply about the potential troubles and conflicts this would create later, you will cough up at least another 5 questions, based on the sinfulness of man.

Perhaps, you forget that even Israel, whom God adopted as His son, was undergoing redemption from sin; the human heart is desperately wicked! Even when they got the 10 commandments they were still rebellious in keeping it.

Talking about racial discrimination, I live in the UK and there are white people who have intermarried, for example, the Royal family of England, Prince Philip was born in Greece into the Greek and Danish royal families, but his family was exiled from Greece when he was a baby. Even to this day, some politicians who refuse to be royalists still refer to this as slide remarks to express their disdain for the royal family. This is not to mention, of a documentary made a few years back that traced a prince in Australia, that he should be the King of Britain, not Queen Elizabeth II.

As I said, I will try to be brief, we should respect and stop undermining the wisdom of God; it was easier and FAR much better that those children were taken way by God (through the killing) and enjoy an eternity of genuine love and peace than go through all sorts of problems of bitterness, anger, revenge in life. The cycle will never stop. For example, that is what we have in Israel/Palestine region today; the failure of Israel to eliminate completely thousands of years ago.

Sometimes, it is better to cut off the leg of a person with gangrene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh) than to allow the necrosis to spread beyond redemption and kill the man. Or which would you prefer, amputation or death?

Dapo777:
@braveguy what excuses have I made ooo?
I ask questions When i am not clear of things.

I understand that that Babylon's baby could be symbolic, Ok let's leave that verse Since It's not talking about actual babies and let's look at other verses Where God clearly commands d killing of babies.
What is the offence of those babies killed?
Thanks!

To be honest, I really don't want to engage on this matter anymore, however, you cited the matters of babies and I will be answer to answer to the extent I know and understand.

You cited the case of where Samuel asked Saul to exterminate the Amalekites including their babies and animals. Very good scenario.

As was mentioned earlier, do you also know that it was a case of cause and effect? Do you think that was the genesis of that matter? Let me take you back in history. I will try to be as brief as possible.

Who was Amalek? Amalek was a cousin (or nephew) to Israel. See Genesis 36:12.
What was the sin of Amalek? See Deuterionomy 25:17-18
"Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God."

As Israel travelled back to the Promised Land, out of unnecessary fear and in cowardice, Amalek, attacked Israel, not in a proper war, but targeted the feeble travellers of Israel.

Today, when Boko Haram strikes, you shout and condemn their acts of cowardice at picking soft targets, isn't it? Amalek did worse, they targeted and attacked TRAVELLERS and worse still, these were their cousins!

Besides, Israel was God's son. If your son of few months was mercilessly attacked right under your nose for no just cause what would you do, be laughing and encouraging the attacker or stand up to the bully? God stood up against the bully!

But what about the children (babies) of the bullies?

It was better that they were eliminated, which is 100% righteous. Why?

The way you and I view death is different from the way God views it. When a person is dead and people still want to kick or beat the dead person, does he feel anything? No. Only the person doing the beating or kicking is having an emotional fulfilment. Which would you prefer:
1. The babies become parentless and dies miserably of hunger and care.
or
2. The babies managed to survive and learning of the revenge of Israel decide to take their piece of revenge - making an endless cycle of war.
or
3. They are killed and in their innocence go to be with their Maker?

While it may be a lot of Bible explanations to explore, children who have not reached the age of accountability have no case to answer before God for sin. They have NO understanding of what they are doing. So, if a child dies, he goes straight to be with God.

Death is NOT the final destination of man, it is a passage to another life. I believe that it would be better for the children's life to be terminated here and go to a better eternal place than to grow up with bitterness as a result of the punishment for the sins of their fathers.

Lastly, do you know the meaning of Amalek? Amalek represents City of the World whereas Israel represents City of God. Amalek is an embodiment of the lack of fear of God, it represents pure evil or sheer wickedness.

As I have said previously in my other posts, it is a VERY dangerous thing to reach conclusions without the full facts. It is important to generate as much facts as possible before making conclusions.

I would like to stop there.

@Dapo777
It is obvious to me that you will make all sorts of excuses against anything presented to you. On that basis, it is unreasonable for me to continue any discussion or exchanges with you on this matter.

If you like blaspheme as much as you want, ridicule as much as you like or give any excuse you want to make yourself look intelligent or proud, that is your prerogative. You've made your choice as to the road you want to walk and I have made mine. So, there is no point arguing against foolishness or blindly against the Bible.

But, I will conclude that you do all that you feel you want to do or say and I will happily do mine on my side as well. As it is written in Ecclesiastes 11:9 "Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment."

@Image123
Let Dapo777 (or whoever) have the last say. Winning an argument does not mean a soul has been saved or God is pleased. For me, I'd rather please God than win an argument. What God expects me to do, I have done.... share the Gospel that God loves and has a plan for every man. But, if after you have shared the Gospel, the people reject it, there is nothing else to be done, the rest is just fruitless intellectual exercise. Your time would be better used doing something fruitful with your time. God bless you, my brother.