Weah96: Just admit it, Braveguy, it's over. You're here because you're full of questions yourself. You're the one running back and forth bringing new ideas which supposedly substantiate your God. That can only mean one thing, this God is not talking to you. Grow up and embrace the mystery.

I wished I was, but I am not. I am very, very clear in these matters - Is there a God? What is the evidence of His existence? Is the Bible the Word of God? And all sorts. I am very settled on these subjects. I must admit that I might not be able to persuade you to my belief system, because it is YOUR questions that are wide and many, I am very settled in mine. In fact, I am thinking more on a deeper level that will be utter foolishness/nonsense you as an atheist, it is called the wisdom of God.

BrotherJohn: I have tried to follow this thread for a little while now. Call it conspiracy theory of anything, but are you aware of a lot of things going on in the world right now that is confirming the prophecies of the Bible?

All the Bilderbergs, illuminati groups, freemanson orders, alien invasion, UFOs, do you know how many tests that are being performed by the governments (i don't want to mention any specific government) on human mental manipulation? The Bourne movies are real, but a lot has also advanced since.

By the time you take all these things into consideration and you read the prophecies of the Bible, reality will dawn on you that the Bible is true all along.

While I don't think I have the verve and energy to debate people like Braveguy, I think you should review some of the comments he has been posting.

@braveguy
every believer have what he has been called to do, while I commend your efforts, I believe your reward would be with Christ, you must remember to share the Gospel of love, not arguments. Share the Gospel and leave everyone to their fate. One day, we'll all know if God truly exists or not, just that it will be too late for some.

Thanks BrotherJohn, it's great to see your input, even though I'd have loved to read your take on these things. I'll take on board your advise, I guess sometimes I am a bit passionate about my beliefs. God Bless you, bro.

Honestly, I've become rather bored of not being able to see a meaningful argument. I thought Kay17 was going to make a good challenge, but I feel a little disappointed by his arguments.

Worse still, some of you started copying and pasting arguments that you don't even know the genesis or understand where it is coming from, but because of the pride and arrogance of human nature, you keep shooting forth baseless arguments without checking your facts. It's a shame!

I will hold forth for the next 20hrs to see if anyone can come up with something genuine and intelligent. Perhaps, I would like molecular Biology, preferably the DNA.

Anyone?

mazaje:

What has that got to do with anything here?. . .Does the bible know how the oceans where formed?. ..Can you tell us how the oceans where formed from using the bible?. . .Abeg leave tori. . .

Why will the make sense to you when they destroy all what you have stated?. . .

You were indoctrinated end of story, if you were born into a muslim family or surrounded by the muslim culture, Mohammed would have been allah's last messenger and you would have been here defending the koran instead. . .If you were born in India and living there to a hindu family it would have been a very different thing. . .The religion of your family or the surrounding culture is the one you MUST chose or get indoctrinated with. . .

yeah, I know when the bible talks utter thrash, like the sun moving around the earth or the stars falling into the erath its an allegory, but when the bible says god sits on the circle of the earth, then the bible is stating that the earth is a sphere. . .You guys and your dishonest tactics are just too ridiculous. . .

Just as you delude yourself thinking you are making sense.



Did you read where I stated that you're the worst debater on this thread?

You are so confused that you keep jumping from pillar to post in singular comments. The issue of whether the Sun went around the Earth (geocentrism) or if the Earth went around the Sun (heliocentrism, which could be called geokineticism since the Sun is not regarded as the centre of the universe either). ..... Please don't get me started on that subject, you'd be lost in the dust. Or, should I say you'd soon jump onto another subject.

Perhaps you didn't know that I studied Geology in the University.

I wished I still had more time, I would have engaged you a lot more, but I must say this, "A fool has said in his heart that there is no God". THink about that for moment.

Weah96: ^^^So when Jesus promised to raise himself from the grave after 3 days, was he talking about 3000 years?

I like your thinking, I wished I thought of it that way before, too.
For all you know, you could be right.

A Millennial reign is looming, except that I don't think this world will hold for another decade at the rate of nuclear war threats.

But, Jesus wasn't allegorical, He cited a similar case in history - Jonah in the belly of the fish - 3 days and 3 nights. That was all. So, it wasn't 3000years.

Nice thinking though.

This probably my last major point on this thread (my holiday is almost over)....

Albert Einstein proved the Bible was true with his theory of relativity (special & general relativity), with the help of Wikipedia....

Special relativity is a theory of the structure of spacetime. Special relativity is based on two postulates which are contradictory in classical mechanics:

1. The laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion relative to one another (principle of relativity).
2. The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion or of the motion of the light source.

The aspect I would like to pick out is the Relativity of simultaneity: Two events, simultaneous for one observer, may not be simultaneous for another observer if the observers are in relative motion.

This is what was written thousands of years BEFORE Einstein was born: "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2Peter 3:8 )

Weah96:

I'm sorry brother. You know that I'm right. I just didn't want to be the one breaking it to you.

of course, you're right IN the WRONG.
Thanks for breaking it, can you put them back together again?

mazaje:
As if the god idea you were indoctrinated with is yours or as if the writing you copied and posted is yours. . Well done. . .

I wonder why scientists did not discover so many things until recently! When Christopher Columbus (1492) was going to set sail why were there antagonists that his journey would make him fall off the edge of the oceans?

I wanted to ignore your points, because they just don't make sense to me. However, I would like to destroy the last one about my indoctrination.

So, you were there when I gave my life to Christ?
Did you read an account I shared much earlier in the thread about how I came to accept Christ?
It may do you some good to read up on this thread before you make another statement, to save you time, I joined on page 5 of the thread.

Do you know the meaning of indoctrination?
If not, go and check your Webster's again.

Ever heard of the word ALLEGORY before? The Bible is full of them!

finofaya: BraveGuy, you are tired. Go and rest.

Personally, I like how you engaged so many people for so long in such a serious discussion. I don't think you get the gist of what atheism is though. But just know this; God cannot hurt you when you stop believing in him.

Let go of your fear.

I tried to listen to some popular atheists debate and almost every time, I identify the weaknesses of their arguments and just feel sorry for them, so to an extent I know what atheism is, but I am sometimes disappointed that when their arguments fall apart and you can hear it when they are agreeing with their opponent, instead throwing the towel, they want to remain arrogantly defiant. It's human ego. One of such was a Professor Peter Atkins debate with John Lennox, he was conceding some things, but he was just too arrogant to accept his arguments had too many holes in them and would not hold any water.

Anyway, I have set myself a target of 24hrs, I may not show up on this thread again

I may be firm on many people, but that does not diminish my love for each person.

Seun:
About 14 years ago, I think.

I just decided that I would not give belief the benefit of doubt anymore; I'd only believe if I got some evidence.
What got me to that point is the crashing of my academics, and the way my spirit-filled brethren reacted to it.

I do feel for you. However, I doubt if you truly have a deep-rooted faith originally in the first place. Because, your love for God should not have been determined by the action of others.

What happened to you was stated by Jesus Christ in the parable of the sower, you got offended....

Matthew 13:20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy,
Matthew 13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.

Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

I hope you will reconsider and re-evaluate things.

Many of the richest and brightest people on earth today don't have educational certificates to back them up, but their intelligence cannot be questioned - Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Michael Faraday, Henry Ford, and many others. Others who were believers in the same category, Abraham Lincoln, John Glenn (astronaut), Conrad Hilton (Hilton Hotels), Robert G. LeTourneau and Sam Walton.

My point: the mockery of lack of education should not be taken as a strong offense to depart from the Almighty.

mazaje:

Historical and practical fiction you mean?. . .You are busy presenting fiction and mythology as facts. . You god is a white man end of story. . .

You mean ALL the non-biblical evidence I presented are all fiction and mythology?

#1. The Earth Is Round

#2. The Earth Floats In Space

#3. The Expansion of the Universe

#4. Conservation of mass-energy

#5. The number of the stars

#6. The Ordinances of Heaven and Earth

Are all fictional and mythical?


Of all the so-called atheists in this place you're the worst! You simply don't even have a clue as to what you believe. You just regurgitate other people's ideas, no conviction of your own!

mazaje:

You god is a white man end of story. . .

And you say you're not racists?



Of all the so-called atheists in this place you're the worst! You simply don't even have a clue as to what you believe. You just regurgitate other people's ideas, no conviction of your own!

By the way, try to check your grammar before you post.

Weah96: Braveguy, you're not addressing your claim. The evidence you presented does not address your primary claim which is that the creator of the universe had a chat with Jewish people. Reality suggests that their relationship with Yahweh was exactly as yours. I know you're not talking to any creator. So why should I believe that they were? Let's assume that the bible does say, for example, that the earth is round. How does that address the claim about having a chat with the creator?

A manifestation of Atheist Disease.


Each time your reasoning and arguments are defeated, instead of acknowledging it, you twist and turn and start from old starting place, circular questioning with no idea of where he's going.

Look at him, he so assured of himself that he is certain that I don't have a relationship with the Almighty God. No, don't believe anything, even when all your questions have been answered and your arguments refuted.

Let's assume that the bible does say, for example, that the earth is round.

So, it doesn't say? You didn't read that from the Oldest Book of the Bible? How many scientists/astronomers existed when that statement was written in the Bible?

Weah96: My question to Braveguy is, why is he here bothering himself if as he says, he's in contact with the creator of the universe?

It pains you so hard that you are defeated and have no useful argument.


Why did I come in here among the atheists of NL?
To remind you that your belief system is not worth the risk of its consequence.

You are constantly trying to disprove the Bible as a genuine evidence of The Intelligent Designer, and yet you have no better evidence of how the Universe came to being despite the best brains among you.

Have any of you listened to the famous atheist scientist, Professor Peter Atkins before? He is an emotional, arrogant, and bigoted debater who thinks science can resolve every human challenge, yet when he's taken outside of science, it's like the death of a professor to him. That is the way most of you reason, too. I call it the atheist disease.

You are against the Bible evidence, yet you have no better - it's the atheist disease!

finofaya: BraveGuy,

I referred you to those two sites for brevity's sake. It won't be convenient to list all the contradictions here; they are too many. And as they are listed elsewhere already, why embrace redundancy?

You equally referred me to the books of Job and Ezekiel. Should I adopt your line of reasoning and plead staleness? Or should I go and check?

The first time I told you about theologians going outside the bible to justify God, you said that is their own kettle of fish. The bible was sufficient for you. Now you have swerved. Even at that, Akiane's case is not as important as you make out, if at all. Firstly, that she is a gifted artist is not proof of Yahweh. Not minding the fact she comes from a family of artists. Secondly, she was not entirely homeschooled, and even if she was, that is not the same as being under lock and key at home. She did leave the house, so you can't sustain the argument that she could not have known about God because she was homeschooled and her parents were atheists.

The Job 38: 31; Orion is visible from Earth. Job 26: 7, the Northen Sky is visible from Earth, from its name you can tell that. Does the universe have a northern direction? Ezekiel 1:22, a crystal dome is precisely what the night shy looks like.

You should let our arguments sink in.

I guess you think you make some sense, don't you?

You guys are claiming circular reasoning and all kinds of nonsense, but almost none of you have taken the patience to examine the evidence you are criticizing. Let me present to you a few things, outside the Bible or God that confirms the Bible.

The Universe Confirms the Bible

The Earth Is Round
The Bible indicates that the earth is round. Consider Isaiah 40:22 which mentions the “circle of the earth.” This description is certainly fitting— particularly when the earth is viewed from space; the earth always appears as a circle since it is round.

The Earth Floats In Space
A very interesting verse to consider is Job 26:7 which states that God “hangs the earth on nothing.”

The Expansion of the Universe
The Bible indicates in several places that the universe has been “stretched out” or expanded. For example, Isaiah 40:22 teaches that God “stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” This would suggest that the universe has actually increased in size since its creation. God has stretched it out. He has expanded it (and is perhaps still expanding it). This verse must have seemed very strange when it was first written. The universe certainly doesn’t look as if it is expanding. After all, if you look at the night sky tonight, it will appear about the same size as it did the previous night, and the night before that. Ancient star maps appear virtually identical to the night sky today. Could the universe really have been expanded? It must have been hard to believe at the time.

Conservation of mass-energy
A very important concept in physics is the conservation of energy. This principle states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. There are a lot of different kinds of energy; heat, light, sound, and electricity are all forms of energy. We can change one type of energy into another and we can move energy from one place to another, but the total quantity of energy in the universe is constant and cannot be changed.

Conservation of mass-energy is exactly what we would expect on the basis of Scripture. First, the Bible indicates that no new material can come into existence. This is indicated in John 1:3 and Genesis 2:2. John 1:3 states that all things were made by God, and nothing has come into existence apart from Him. Furthermore, God ended His work of creation by the seventh day of the creation week, according to Genesis 2:2. Since only God can bring new things into existence from nothing, and since God ended His work of creation by the seventh day, no new material will come into existence today.

The number of the stars
The Bible often uses the “stars of heaven” to represent an extremely large quantity. Genesis 22:17 teaches that God would multiply Abraham’s descendants “as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is on the sea shore.” Genesis 32:12 makes it clear that this represents a number which is uncountable by humans: “the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.” These are excellent analogies. Clearly the sand of the sea and the stars in the universe cannot be counted exactly by humans, though of course, they can be roughly estimated. Interestingly, the two quantities come out to about the same order of magnitude: 10²², or ten billion trillion, give or take a factor of ten or so. (For other verses using stars as an illustration of large numbers, see Deuteronomy 1:10 and 10:22.)

It was not always believed that the stars were so numerous. The astronomer Claudius Ptolemy (A.D. 150) cataloged 1,022 stars in his work The Almagest. Many astronomers believed that these were the only stars that existed, even though Ptolemy never claimed that his catalogue was exhaustive.

The Ordinances of Heaven and Earth
The Bible teaches that the universe obeys physical laws—“the ordinances of heaven and earth” (Jeremiah 33:25). The universe is neither haphazard nor arbitrary; nature conforms to logical, mathematical relationships set in place by the Lord.

The laws of physics and chemistry are examples of these ordinances of heaven and earth. The clockwork precision of the planets as they orbit the sun is due to their strict obedience to God’s ordinances. The stars and planets are never late nor are they early. They do not fail to appear in their proper place at the proper time (Isaiah 40:26).

The laws of nature are consistent and logical, because the Creator is consistent and logical. We can trust that the same physics, which worked yesterday will also work today. This principle is foundational to the scientific process. The very reason that science is possible is because the universe consistently obeys simple mathematical formulae.

Today, the reliability of the Bible is being increasingly attacked. Can we really trust the Bible in our modern age of technology and science? As we have seen, science is not an enemy of the Bible. On the contrary, modern science has been able to confirm much of what the Bible teaches about astronomy. Many of the biblical teachings which would have been difficult to believe in the past (such as an expanding universe) are now accepted in science textbooks. This is an important lesson to learn. Ideas in secular science can change from time to time, but the Bible has demonstrated itself to be consistently true without the need for change.

Weah96:

So if she painted it, then it means that her mother was not complicit in the scheme. Is that your argument? I've already told you about the endogenous occurrence of DMT in the human body. Maybe you should read the stories of some research participants.

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/dmt.html

So, you're empty of any genuine arguments and all you can present is the use of drugs to induce dreams, hallucinations and alien abductions?


I thought you claimed not to believe in the spiritual world, yet you are referencing it so as to deny the Bible. The occult world you are referring to is all about a spiritual world.

finofaya: BraveGuy, you are still brandishing the bible at us. How many contradictions do you want to see in the bible before you discard it? These things are all over the Internet. Try these two sites for example.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible

I don't go around looking to argue for argument's sake, if you have a question bring it forth instead of trying to say I should be searching them out. So, your point is baseless and stale!

finofaya: It's surprising that you still don't see the circularity in pointing to the bible as proof of God. Is the Qur'an proof of Allah? I told you how theologians who respect reason have tried to go outside the bible to explain why there should be God, but you insist that the bible is all you need. By such standards, every book is the proof of its contents. But we know that's not true
God must exist outside of the bible. If you agree, then show me where or how he exists. If not, well...

First, I believe you copied your statement from somewhere, you just copied and pasted it..... With due respect, I must say that you're displaying an exceptional amount of illiteracy. I presented an evidence OUTSIDE of the Bible, you ignored it and are still claiming circular reasoning. What about the simple case of Akiane that I just presented, was that IN the Bible?

finofaya: You know the bible doesn't contain the creation story of the universe. All it mentions is how the earth, sun, moon and stars in the night sky were created, which is what you would expect if the writer was earth based. No mention of anything that could not be observed from earth. Is Omnipresent God based on earth? If all that matters to you is how the earth, sun, moon etc were created, then there are better explanations, put forward by science, and irreconcilable with Le bible. Why pass over them? Oh yeah, the bible.

You just made a terrible error in a debate. You did not check the reference of what you are arguing against. The Bible said in the Beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The six day event that followed were not new creations, but the commands of clarity.

That was why you should have read the Bible you are trying to criticize first. You're blind and trying to bring forth a blind argument, the case has already defeated itself even before it was presented.

No mention of anything that could not be observed from earth.

Really? Are you sure of that?
Go and read Job 38:31 - is that referring to the Earth or Space?

Or should I refer you to Job 26:7?

Or Ezekiel 1:22?

Go and check the beauty of God ever before the science of astronomy was born!

mazaje:

Brave guy's god is an attractive white man. . . .Delusion at its finest. . .

Do you know what the practicality of a deluded mind is? That is what you are experiencing. You are the one who is deluded at the face of of both historical and practical evidence, yet you are either too mentally lazy to examine them or too arrogant to admit to the one that stands against your bias.

Weah96:

She painted the picture of an attractive Caucasian male. It's a brain game designed to keep black people enslaved.

It is when you can't make any intelligent argument that you shout RACISM!

Ignorance is the slave master and unfortunately, you are one of its students, because you have chosen to close your mind to old (Bible accounts) and new (current events - example is Akiane's paintings, Colton Burpo's testimony) information.

Kay17: @braveguy
Besides the Bible, upon careful investigation, is not as spectacular as you say. Modern Science dwarfs it in knowledge. I have read more useful books than the Bible.

Well, go and check historical records very well, the postulates of your modern science were Genesis 1 students, they carved the elements of modern science from Genesis 1. It came at the time of the Reformation. Go and check T. F. Torrance: ‘The Influence of Reformed Thought on the Development of Scientific Method’ A Journal of Theology, II, 1963, p. 41

From the Genesis account, "Man has the responsibility laid upon him by the great cultural and scientific mandate given to him at his creation ‘to be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it and have dominion over it’. (Genesis 1: 28). Again man is called ‘to keep the garden and dress it’. Man’s culture and science are thus understood in the Bible to be the result of a divinely imposed mandate. Culture and science is in fact man’s life task. In this great cultural and scientific task man is called to examine all things, to take the raw materials of God’s creation and by means of his science and technology to bring out all the potencies and possibilities that are hidden in nature."

Kay17: @braveguy
It is laughable to believe the picture the akannile girl painted was Jesus when you have never seen Jesus and how he looks like. You are ridiculous and too simpleminded.

I must say that your argument is an utter baloney!

Well, do you know any better? Akiane NEVER had any encounter in her world of agnosticism and atheistic beliefs to give her a frame of reference. Besides, another independent child with his own experience, was shown the painting, and he confirmed it as the Person he saw in heaven. Lastly, I presented an independent examination of that painting as compared with the Shroud of Turin. I didn't hear you picking holes in that comparison, yet you're presenting a zero argument to refute the statement or the INDEPENDENT examination.

Kay17: @braveguy

You are placing the cart before the horse. First of all prove God's existence. The Bible you said proves God's existence is supposedly inspired by the same God you are trying to prove! It is super circular. I hope you see it.

Besides the Bible, upon careful investigation, is not as spectacular as you say. Modern Science dwarfs it in knowledge. I have read more useful books than the Bible.


It is laughable to believe the picture the akannile girl painted was Jesus when you have never seen Jesus and how he looks like. You are ridiculous and too simpleminded.

Where is the cart before the horse?

Genesis 1:1 was specific of the creation of the Universe..... the heavens and the earth. From there it went to a specific subset of the whole sum, the planet Earth, which was described succintly.

The Creation story in Genesis gives a sound and elements of scientific method right the first chapter. Tell me, how do you interpret data without first identifying a frame of reference? Genesis 1:2 gives you that. The events that followed can be referenced that single verse.

That same verse also gives you the starting frame of the initial conditions, almost like a blank canvas, through that verse you can determine the initial conditions of planet earth, a microcosm of the known universe. It states four conditions of what the Earth was - formless, empty of life, water was covering it, and darkness covered it altogether.

As a scientist, do you try to interpret or make conclusions before you able to establish your experiments? Have you ever tried to examine the order of events when, where and what happened as Genesis 1 neatly presents it? All the theories that have been postulated so far struggle with these three simple scientific logical sequences. Is it the Big Bang theory or the Higgs Boson Particle theory that gives us these simple logic?

And what about the final conditions, which of your theories again gives us the "Final Conditions", in Genesis, you get the presentation of this logic. This gives us the sequence of events of the six-day-creation days.

mazaje:

As usual. . . Make a false claim and shout victory when challenged. . .

List the false claims..... the cliche shout victory when challenged is quite and needs to be retired. The irony is that who is the one shouting victory?

The Bible is probably the most readily available Book on the Internet, to say the least, you are afraid to read it either due to mental laziness or psychological block or simple bias, whichever way you have failed in citing where my statements is self-defeating.

I would love it if you can be very specific as to what is not true, instead generalizing issues.

mazaje:

How were the planets from from the book of genesis?. . .What about the mountains?. . .How were they formed?. . .How were the animals formed?. . .Explain citing the necessary passages in the book of genesis?. . .How old is the earth from the book of genesis. . .Where are the scientific, historical, archeological, biological, physical, technological, astronomical, romantic, spiritual, meteorological, cultural and medical evidences that supports anything in the book of genesis. . .is it not the bible that says that the earth was created before the sun and stars?. . .

Your argument pales, buddy!

Pick up a copy of the Bible or Google Bible online and read just the first chapter. Then come back with your questions again.

As you are investigating some of these former atheists, which, among all the books on the beginning of the Universe or Creation invites you to test its system? The Bible is the only one that repeatedly invites you to test what it presents to you.

It is the ONLY Book in the world that effectively presents the beginning of the world with scientific, artistic, historical, geographical, geological, archeological, biological, physical, technological, astronomical, romantic, spiritual, meteorological, cultural and medical attributes.

All these and more can even be found in the first Book of the Bible, Genesis!

Why should an atheist, Francis Collins, who sits at the apex of science, DNA - Human Genome Project, become a Christian? Has any of you atheists questioned someone like Dr. Francis Collins what made him change his mind?

Is it Jim Warner Wallace I should mention?

Or should I mention the Astronomer and physicist Hugh Ross, PhD who was a hardened atheist?

Guys, MODERN evidence is not on your side!


By the way, I am yet to hear back from ANY of you as to a better theory as to the origin of the universe.

Kay17: @braveguy

Now hope you realise that the Bible is your validation of the existence of God, YET the Bible itself is validated by God! Lool!! You are ridiculous! In order words, you are making up a circular argument that begins with an assumption of God's existence.

You're the one baking circular argument from the case, my friend.

In fact, YOU, are the living proof of the existence of God, not just the Bible. He formed you in your mother's belly!

Kay17: Now, I will visit the Akiane issue. She painted a man's face with flowing hair and you expect me to think that is Jesus? You expect me to assume that her dreams must have some sort of significance? No I don't want to make such spurious assumptions as you are fond of.

Of course, you're free to believe what you want, but in face of modern evidence from simple people like you and I, a wrong choice will cost you dearly. That girl was NOT taught about who Jesus was, she had no precedence for framing a story and proceeding to paint the person she saw. Moreover, did you even read the story behind the Prince of Peace painting? About the carpenter who called at her house for work? Go read it again!

Kay17: If Jesus or God want to talk to me, they know where to find me.

As God or Jesus can't exist without you?
At this point in time, He has made room for you through people like to me to share from the little knowledge of Him with people like you who just wants to believe in a black hole in a black universe that doesn't exist.
The time will come when you will fall on your face and cry out to Him, I hope it won't be too late then.

Weah96:

Ask the Jews. They barely have any records of this Jesus or the phenomenon of his supposed resurrection. They all lived in the same country, records were kept for many benign things in the years that he was active, and yet nothing. Who are your non believer sources or should I say source? It's always the same dude.

Well, it's not that I am so accustomed to the non-believers sources, but it does destroy all conspiracy theories that there was never a person named Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Maybe CNN or BBC would have given you a better account, unfortunately, they were not existent at the time and hence when the events were unfolding no one expected it to be of this much significance.

With that said, you may pick your choice, from accounts of His Crucifixion, to His Resurrection (do you have any idea how much trouble this account gave them?), to Tacitus, to Josephus, to Pliny the Younger, to Suetonius, etc. I am not one given to history, but even atheists such as Richard Dawkins agreed that Jesus's existence is unquestionable (hear him in his debate with John Lennox at University of Oxford).

Weah96:

Occam's razor suggests that the mother is behind it.

Well, with the help of Akiane herself, I just proved Occam's razor wrong!



You can see in that last video that I posted, how Akiane sat and pianted from a BLANK canvas to a beautiful piece without standing up or were they using a NASA camera (alien camera of super-imposing her mother as Akiane) to record the event?

Weah96:

I'm sorry, but those anecdotes are insufficient for me to believe the claims made in the bible. We're talking huge claims here.

Again, it's your choice and all these people are still alive right now. If I were you, I will go and physically meet these people to verify their stories since the Bible is like an abstract to you.

Jesus died and resurrected - a huge claim.

If you disagree, show us why, because there is no evidence that He didn't (such his bones).

Apart from His disciples who confessed to seeing His resurrected Body, 500 people saw Him at once before His Ascension. Again, a huge claim. But, how can 500 people lied that they saw Him when they didn't?

Even if one will take these as abstract, what about the historical records, especially of non-believers of the time who recorded the events of his existence, death and claims of resurrection?

Weah96:

Check out this page on child prodigies. I'm surprised that Magnus Carlsen isn't on there though. He's my favorite. Anyway your own child 'prodigy' is somewhere in the middle of the article. With a question mark. Christopher Hitchens used to always say that it is easy to get away with s)hit if you claim the authority from God. Kings and nobility got away with it for millennia. Even our own African kings. Catholic priests use their authority to sodomize boys. People are willing to turn a blind eye every time the authority of Allah, Jesus, or another deity is declared.
http://riotgrrrl.hubpages.com/hub/whatisachildgenius

Here is proof that she (Akiane Kramarik) was the painter!

It is one hour, fast-forward video; actual video may have lasted several hours or days, who knows, see her start with a BLANK canvas and paint a beautiful piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qIAN18DGIA

As some of you are saying that there isn't anything unique about this child's painting prowess, do you think she set out that she wanted to make a painting of the Shroud of Turin? I am quite sure you would agree that she couldn't have done that. Look at this short video:

It is an impeccable proof of a mystery behind all these things! That mystery is GOD (thanks weah96 you said it - GOD).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UisIxFV_M6M