RikoduoSennin:
Revelation 3:14 - "....These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God". KJV

Did Jesus exist before the beginning? All reference I have seen is directed at the beginning? Is he the beginning of his own creation? Do you know one scripture explains the other? (Rev 3:14 explains Col 1:15). I really like to see how you will twist Rev 3:14. All this misunderstanding o scriptures about Jesus and God came because some persons remove God Almighty name from the bible misinterpreting the second Commandment. If that name was included in your copy, as you read the bible from Genesis to revelation- then you will find no reason for the Trinity doctrine. (Was Jesus drunk when he was screaming My God, My God, so many times in the bible).

Misleading thread topic!

calaharry:


...it is not gullibility matter,but reality. Even medieval men killed animals and used their blood to cleans their land of diseases and abominations. Abi don't u know DaT?
But is like when ppl are privileged to acquire high calibre education, they begin to feel so indestructible as if they don't need God their maker. Now, that is serious and dangerous blunder and a sign of bad things to befall them. That is why famous ppl commit suicide as a way of escapism.

Emusan:

If you read the beginning of this verse with this phrase ”And when I have fashioned him...” we can then say Adam’s body was first created before LIFE was imparted into the body through the Spirit this is plausible But compare it with the account of Jesus where The Spirit incarnated/become a being in Mary’s womb that’s why Muhammad and some Muslims could call Jesus the very own Word and Spirit of God.

Muslims who called Jesus The Word and The Spirit of God.

1) Muhammad:
According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

2) Ibn Arabi's statement is perhaps the closest acknowledgement any Muslim has ever made in relation to Jesus' Deity: "Surely," he said, "He has no equal. He is the Spirit and the Son of the Spirit, and Mary is His mother." (Quoted by Robert Payne in The History of Islam, p.83)

When we keep in mind that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and Christ is the Spirit and the Spirit's Son, this makes Christ God, the Son of God!

3) M. A. Qazi in his Concise Dictionary of Islamic Terms, p. 57, relates:
"Ruh-Ullah – Spirit of God, A special title given by Prophet Muhammad (S. A.) to Jesus (A. A.)"

4) Mahmoud Ayoub, citing Tabarsi states: “Tabarsi argues that John was obligated by God to be a witness to the fact that Jesus was in truth the word of God and His Spirit” (2:109)

5) Muhammad Ayub's book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, vol. II. The House of Imran:
Tabari, an Islamic scholar quotes on the authority of Al-Suddi a debate between the Christians of Najran and Muhammad in which Muhammad was asked what he thought of Jesus, to which he answered: "He is the servant of God, His Spirit and Word." (p.184)

6) Dr. Hasbullah Bakry in his book Nabi Isa dalam Al-Quran ("Jesus the Prophet in The Quran" p.109 declares: "The Prophet Jesus is called 'Kalimatu Allah' (the word of God) because he is the incarnation of the word of God which was signaled to Mary to bear the Prophet Jesus."

Bakry’s statement agreed with the book of John 1:14 ”And The Word became flesh...”

The reason why you’re arguing this way is because of the perverted teaching of modern day scholars who have aware of the obvious problem this Titles posed to Quran in denial of Jesus’ divinity. Why? If Jesus is The word and Spirit of God and both Islam and Christian believe that God’s Spirit and Word are not created that makes Jesus uncreated and divine, so what they could do is to bring another false interpretation into those texts which someone like you can swallow up.

If Muhammad himself believed that Jesus is the word and the Spirit of God then who is wrong between two of you?

Weah96:


Did you even read ANYTHING about DMT? The answer is a resounding YES.

ojimbo:
no more obama care, obama is no more the antichrist,
Christians=Confutionists

Dapo777:

Have gone there to check but It's too long.can u summarize?

Weah96:


This topic has been discussed here before. Have you heard of the endogenous chemical called dimethyltryptamine?

In addition to that, the girl comes from a family of artistic repute.

Dapo777:


If someone can tell u he doesn't understand the Bible,then it means the person is interested enough to even read the Bible,despite being interested in the Bible,he still notices some contradictions and vague expressions in the Bible. Despite his interest.

Why is this So?

Dapo777:

Ok I get.
But What I don't get is why is the Bible written like a puzzle that an average person won't understand it,is it on purpose? If Yes,why?

Weah96:

Rubbish. The overwhelming majority of people, including you and I, simply joined a religion by following our parents to the church, mosque, or synagogue.

What you call a personal experience is preceded by a thorough brainwashing by a child's parents.

Dapo777:
@brotherjohn Where did u get ur own interpretation that the baby there refers to the system by Which it wants to carry it out?
What is ur source, I want to know.

coolebux:
Just as you worshiped Lord Lugard and the chief judges by calling them LORD
Narrow minded ppl on a narrow minded street.
@Op you didn't make sense at all.
Are u dis daft all the time or just for this thread?

voltron: God deliberately allows Satan to continue because he is Alpha and Omega. he knows the end from the beginning and in his infinite wisdom (which is beyond our understanding) has deemed it fit to create Good but ensure that Evil is there as well to balance it.

TheBigUrban2:
Good lord, you are highly unintelligent.

TheBigUrban2:
You couldnt even understand the op.

Worse, you commit the fallacy of claiming atheism is a religion!!

ammyluv2002: I don't get it! Why are we like this? Why would someone go out of his way to create false stories? If Jesus isn't real to whosoever that created that vid, the person should leave us that believe in His existence alone! Believing in His existence is a personal thing, you don't need to create fake stories to prove a point!

@OP, pls help me pass this message to whosoever that made up that story; he shouldn't bother himself with those who believe in Jesus Christ rather he should be more concerned about his own life ok