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Jesus is the Son of God not a son of God

We are sons of God; I am a son of God. But, I am not the Son of God.

God says He will make morning stars out of His saints, that now makes them Lucifers?
or that now makes Jesus the new Lucifer?



Jesus is not becoming a light-bearer, He is the Light (John 1:7)

You keep claiming ERRRRR, and using scriptures I quote as your basis for errors.

I can prove the Godship of Jesus in each Book of the Bible.

Can you prove that Michael is Jesus from other passages of the Bible apart from that place in Daniel (even though it specifically said that was Michael and not Christ?

You are making claims you can't substantiate.
Who says the Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ is the end of God salvation work in man?
You're just trying to change the topic..... From Jesus being Michael, to him being Lucifer and now Catholic beliefs.... Is that Taqiyya?

Morning Star is DIFFERENT from Bright and Morning Star.

Saying they are the same is akin to saying = A god is the same as The God.

A God is NOT the same as The God.

Next, you will say because the face of Moses started shining like the Sun, that makes him also Christ? Nah!
Or because Enoch and Elijah did not die, they were Christ? Nah!

Bro, let us humbly stay where the Bible stays.... all other things are private interpretations.

I have quoted only what the Bible says and not added my own flavour to it.

It is obvious.

You're trying to prove that Jesus is Michael with only one verse of the Bible that does not link Jesus with Michael in anyway more than Psalm 91:11-12.

You have failed to prove Michael as Jesus from Genesis to Revelation, except that you have added that Jesus shall become Lucifer, light-bearer.

Have you forgotten that Jesus is the Light of God? He is Light and not just a bearer.

But I have shown you SEVERAL scriptures, which CLEARLY identifies Jesus Christ as God and nothing less.

obadiah777: YOU ERR. ADAM IS THE NAME OF A NATION OF PEOPLE. NOT ONE MAN. AND LUCIFER IS A TITLE NOT SOMEONES NAME. LUCIFER MEANS THE MORNING STAR. THE RULER OF THE WORLD. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS HE WILL BE THE LUCIFER AS STATED IN REVELATION 22ND CHAPTER

Huh

Please quote the exact verse that says Jesus will become Lucifer!!!

Adam was supposed to reign over a certain region in God's creation, that region is called, Earth. That was why God said have dominion.... Adam was supposed to be the "god of this world", and Satan confessed that that authority was delivered to him.

Jesus is not just a morning star; He is the BRIGHT and morning star - very different (Revelation 22:16). He is not going to become, He already is.

God will GIVE his saints the morning star, which I believe means they will be transformed (Revelation 2:28).

Angels of God stands/defend/protect/help God's people.
Are you telling me that they are not doing it at God's command?

So, because I wrote that Jesus being referred to as the Angel/Rock/Bread/Fire/etc around God's people means God is not the one?

That sounds so funny

Michael is a PRINCE, just like Adam was a PRINCE, Lucifer was a PRINCE - principalities....
Jesus Christ is the HEAD of all principalities

Colossians 1:16 reveals:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

obadiah777: DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people ( Israel ):

Are you trying to tell me that because Daniel 12vs1 says Michael stands up for the people of God that means he is the Saviour, the Messiah?

Even Orthodox Jews know that the Messiah is God, it's just that they can't accept Jesus to be the Messiah.

Michael still has one major fight and that is recorded in Revelation 12:7 that says, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,...

Paul wrote Hebrews 1 to make this clear distinction.
But you're still choosing the wrong path, even after Paul wrote on this issue almost 2000 years ago.

John 1:14 CLEARLY states: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does that look or resemble angel Michael?

The Bible na my ONLY source O! Yes, I don read articles.
But Bible no get equal.

You're the one ignoring the FACT (or TRUTH) that the Bible declares Jesus as God and nowhere calls him angel Michael.

Jesus is known as the Angel that fights for them (Israelites)
Jesus is known as the Rock that followed for them (Israelites)
Jesus is known as the Pillar of Fire & Pillar of Cloud that watches over them (Israelites)
Jesus is known as the Prophet of His People (Israelites)

Nowhere does the Bible says this about Michael.
Michael stands up for the people of God, .... are they not ministering spirits?.... Hebrew 1:14

Search your scriptures before you claim error about others' knowledge, that is pride.

Saying that a messenger is an angel is right.
But Jesus Christ and Michael are TWO SEPARATE entities.

When we use angel in this context, you and I know what we are saying, that is, spiritual beings sent into our terrestrial world to do something. There has NEVER been any time other angels worship Michael; but, all the times God was physically manifested in the old testament, we have angels worshipping Him, and that is the same for Jesus.

All manifestations of Michael and Gabriel in the Bible, they REFUSE worship; but Jesus never refused worship.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES

Colossians 2:9 tells us: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
<<< WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DABBLE INTO OTHER PHILOSOPHIES OR DOCTRINES BECAUSE IN THE WORD IS ALL THE DOCTRINE YOU NEED. THE WORD IS THE ONLY TRUE DOCTRINE. LET ME GET YOU A PRECEPT FOR THAT
ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh <<< THE BIBLE IS ALL YOU NEED. THERE ARE TOO MANY BOOKS WRITTEN BY MEN. IN THE BIBLE IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD

AND SECONDLY YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT AN ANGEL MEANS. IT IS AN OLD WAY OF SAYING 'MESSENGER'. YES JESUS IS AN ANGEL. HIS MESSAGE WAS TO REDEEM THE ELECT OF ISRAEL AND TO UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILE TO THE LORD. HE IS AN ANGEL. AN ARCHANGEL

God is God, He can multiply Himself in many ways, if He chooses.

God is the Father
God is the Son
God is the Holy Spirit.

One God manifesting in different forms. Sits on ONE throne.
The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, not two spirits.

Not an angel.

Do you know that on the Earth, that is what is defined?
Soon, God will merge the two together and there would be no need for the elements.

Colossians 2:9 tells us: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus tells us in Proverbs 8, that before God started ANY creation, He was there. And you call him an angel?

No, Jesus is not angel Michael.

He is God.

Hebrews 1:5 tells us: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

John also tells us: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

obadiah777: YEAH OKEYXYZ IS ALWAYS BRINGING IN HERESIES. HE NEEDS TO BE FLOGGED FOR BEING A REPROBATE ERMM AS FOR ARCHANGEL MICHEAL, HE REALLY IS JESUS
JUDE VS 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil said, The Lord rebuke thee. ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS THE LORD

@ Obadiah777
I didn't know you found it as amusing as I did, too.

Next, would be that Jesus is angel Michael, too

obadiah777: SMDH. HERESIES THE LAW OF MOSES WAS THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT ?

I am yet to find where it said the command that the Adam should not eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil to be from Satan. But what I read is: Genesis 3:11 ..... And he said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you that you should not eat?

Was that Satan or God?

From_Guiriga:
So when it says that everything God made was good, then the writer was not being totally honest then?
Also, do you really think that as a result of Adam the world is where it is? Adam lived 6,000 years ago or so according to the bible.
If the tree of life was right there then why would God cast them out. Why would the Gods or God and whoever he was talking to feared they might eat from the tree of life?

You're missing a point from the bigger picture here, Guiriga.

You must know that PRIOR to this event, there was another event, which was the rebellion of Lucifer (with some other angels who later joined him) and Genesis does covertly mention this in verse 2 of Genesis: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...." You want to ask: How could God have created something that was without form, void and covered with darkness? That shows there was a life form before and there was a sort of catastrophic event that ensued.

The rebellion of Lucifer has already happened before this time and after Adam & Eve were created, there was also an acknowledgement that Satan (fallen Lucifer) had access to Eden as we read in Ezekiel 28:12-19. The whole story of what happened between Eve and the Serpent (Satan) may not have been written in one place, but we have the same experience with Jesus Christ.

Satan offered Jesus Christ some food or fruit from the "tree", but Jesus rejected it and said he must live by the commands of God. But Adam & Eve did not.

Yes, everything God made was good, but that did not mean it could not have been polluted by the polluter. Ever cooked and meal and somehow some housefly gets there to pollute it? Does that mean you cooked a bacteria-infested meal? Of course not. The same we find here.

You did not complete the quoting of that passage, you stopped at 16 when in actuality it continued through to verse 17. That does not look like a full observance of the WHOLE truth.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There was a BUT.... that was when the power of CHOICE, the greatest power given to Man was authorized to man. Was it Satan that was conferring this authority?

That'll be a good idea, but what would be the source?
Can't wait to hear this explanation of the Kabala....

okeyxyz: +10 likes @theHighlighted

Can you tell us the kaballah version of this event?

@ karli4nia.... Do you know what Cabala/Kabala truly is? It is the occult - knowledge of secret things. Ever read Deuteronomy 29:29 before? There are some things God does not want us to pry into, but the Devil says, away with that! Come and I will teach it to you, hence the knowledge of good & evil... do you feel me? Hence witchcraft.... hence the fall of Mankind. Could it be that Eve was actually learning Kabala?

karli4nia: The story of Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit as related in the Bible is an allegory this represents a very profound truth of how Humans lost connection with God. If we know Kabala, we would have a detailed picture of what its all about. However, it is 100% intimately related with sex.

FOLYKAZE: It pure fairy tale.

• THE STORY OF ADAM & EVE IS A MYTH SAYS CATHOLIC CARDINAL GEORGE PELL: http://consciouslifenews.com/catholic-cardinal-adam-eve-didnt-exist/1127457/

If the story of Adam & Eve is a myth, then humanity is a complete farce and we're not real - We're just a phantom that graced the Earth Serious.

Anyway, the fact that a Catholic priest says it does not mean that is the truth. The Bible is the final authority, and if the Bible is a lie, then upon what basis does the catholic or any church have their bearing?

Artifacts of the olde world (before Noah) are being discovered and they are not as crude or naive as we make them to be. Sadly, the Pontificate believes more in aliens than in Jesus Christ that walked the Earth.

Somehow, I am enjoying this topic, maybe because I have read so much about different arguments on it

Bro, do you know how many people that have suffered (or got punished) as a result of your choices? Good or bad? Or should I ask, do you know how many people that have BENEFITED as a result of your choices? Good or bad?

Eve & Adam put us into a big mess with a terrible future, but Jesus took us out and put us into a big message with a promising future. I think what has happened has happened, we should look more to the future not reside in the past. However, it's good to know where we are coming from so that we can make an informed decision as to where we will end up.

Ki-Katanga:
Whatever it was, why are we all being punished for one woman's actions?

okeyxyz: The Forbidden fruit was not sex(though it is related to sex), nor was it knowledge/science

It was the Law of Moses. This was the law/mindset that began to call some of God's creation good and some evil, therefore requiring us to abstain from them. Whereas God himself has declared all that he created as Good. This is why the laws given to Moses was full of do's and don'ts(good and evil) and thou shalt not's... This Law became human nature from Adam choosing it over the other commandment which says: "Of every tree in the garden you may freely eat...", in other words; God has declared everything good and to be used for our purposes.

Interesting argument, how did the TREE of KNOWLEDGE become the LAW of MOSES? Na wa oh! Up Naijiria!

*Kails*:
tree of life tho.

@*Kails* God did not allow them (Adam & Eve) to gain access to the Tree of Life. So, sex becoming the tree of life is also a flawed argument.

.... How can it be v@gina? .... If God did not create v@gina, how would he expect them to reproduce? Even animals wey no sin get v@gina. No, my friend, no be v@gina.

I was researching the Net last night and saw this post and the arguments. Quite interesting and I think I like all the points raised, however, I still can't get it that fruit means sex. I read a comprehensive argument from a website: Forbidden Fruit (Forbidden Fruit), the guy, Brother John (Brother John), argued brilliantly that the fruit was knowledge and that is what the Bible says. IMO, why would God be lying to us about what happened? If it was sex, why did he say they should be fruitful, multiply and increase? How would they have been able to reproduce without sex?

@maxpecas, I like your arguments, but God was not being unfair to them. God has never been unfair to humanity. God has put humanity at the very top of his creation, but as you know Satan lost his position and is always trying to accuse God; So, God permitted a fair match. If only Adam had stuck by God's command, I am sure we would be telling a different story now. That was what we see in the second Adam (Jesus Christ), he stuck by what God said; he did not accept the offer of Satan like Eve & Adam did.

Some arguments are sensible and others are totally illogical. I should think that many other parts of the Bible completely explain what happened in that Garden episode, for that, I agree with what the website, Brother John has put forward and his argument answers a lot of things.

Baba God no dey 4 partiality, de wa u lay your bed no be so you lie on top? Forbidden fruit no bi sex, na knowledge - devil knowledge, witchcraft knowledge, knowledge wey make mankind disobey God.