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truthislight: ^^^

please, what is the meaning of the word "Lucifer" ?

Tell me.

As you are at it, tell me the difference between Whole & Partial?
Where whole is the source/origin and partial is just a carrier.
Thanks

obadiah777: of course the saints are illuminated men. they are bright and mosrning stars. they are lucifers >>> rev 2 vs 28 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.And I will give him the morning star.

you are stuck on greco-roman fables. lucifer is nota bad word.

No, you're the one who is misleading people with your mixed up presentations. You're just trying to confuse people because they doctrine you're presenting is incomplete and incompatible with genuine Scriptures.

God lives in eternity and He knew what He was doing when He made Lucifer to walk before Him as light bearer, God Himself is the Light; we are the light of world in this present life, but He says He will give some to become "morning stars" - not all.

Just remember that one day you will give an account of yourself and if anyone ends up in the eternal flames, their blood will be in your hands!

obadiah777: dayummm brah why write so much and there is no such thing as a new soul being created. see you dont understand what i am saying but you are trying to scoff. all souls have being created from the start. no new souls are created when people are born. and by souls i mean spirit

and as per you saying the book of revelation was only about the things that had not happened when john wrote the book. you do err not knowing scriptures >>>>> revelation 1 vs 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; <<< the things which he has seen, the things which are and the things which are hereafter. past present and future. and the spirit of john the baptist wasnt created just then. remember he was elijah in the past ? so basically that verse is saying write the history of the whole world from the beginning of creation to the second coming and after. see you err not knowing scriptures

matthew 11 vs 14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. << see john being around in ancient times as elijah and as other prophets in his past life. so he has to write about everything he has seen

and job is not a person. job is a metaphorical name not an actual person

#1. When you were writing all your twists to Scriptures, it wasn't long; but when someone challenges your heresy, he is writing a long essay.

#2. About the Book of Revelation, are you saying Jesus was wrong about "things which must shortly come to pass"?

#3. The thing is that we are about to enter the age of the people of God mounting up with wings like eagles, you want them to be looking back to walking, not even running! Our focus at this point in tine should be looking forward to the power of resurrection being manifested in us, you are preaching/teaching reincarnation and misleading the people of God!

#4. Obadiah, you have been noted to be twisting Scriptures to mean what they are NEVER or going to be, such as Jesus Christ, who is God manifested in the flesh, to become Lucifer; when Jesus Christ is the Eternal Light already - you're just trying to mislead people.

#5. People, what I will say to you is that if you are truly His, you will only hear what is true, not some heretical concept. The new wine you should be preparing your new bottle for is the appearance of His coming to you personally.

For anyone who would stay close to his/her Bible, you cannot be misled by Obadiah; The Truth is right there before you, if you will only ask God to show you by His Spirit (John 16:13-14).

Look forward to God's New Day; not the past, in which you can easily be confused.

I have responded to one of your heretical views, Obadiah, in https://www.nairaland.com/1399658/satan-ministry-special-recognition-obadiah777/7 ... about Jesus Christ becoming Lucifer, which is a demotion of God from the Creator becoming the created.

Yes, some of your answers and doctrines are true; but you've mixed them up with subtle errors, which clearly written Prophetic Scriptures countered.

I read your take on reincarnation as well, which is complete contradiction to the Truth of the Word of God; I did noticed that you were quoting from Apocrypha and claiming that these Books were supposed to be part of the Bible - anyone who has practised some occult will agree that the language of these books are very different from the 66 Books of the current Bible.

You claimed: "HEBREWS 9 VS 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment <<< MEANS JUDGEMENT DOES NOT ACCRUE OVER SEVERAL LIVES LIVED. IT IS ONE JUDGEMENT PER LIFE LIVED. A LOT OF PEOPLE MISTAKE THIS VERSE TO MEAN YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE. THAT WOULD APPLY IF IT SAYS 'AND IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN TO DIE ONCE, BUT AFTER THAT THE JUDGEMENT. HOWEVER IT SAYS 'UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE' <<< BIG DIFFERENCE. A LOT OF PEOPLE STUMBLE ON THAT PART. IT MEANS ONE JUDGEMENT PER LIFE NOT 'YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE AND THEN JUDGEMENT'"

You're just twisting Scriptures using semantics! In Genesis, we read that the Spirit of God breathe into the lump of clay and Man became a living soul. I ask you when a soul has departed once to face judgement, you are saying his spirit will take up another body and make a new soul? And each of these souls will be judged as two entities? This is nothing but heresy and deception.

You quoted Exodus 20:5 and stopped at midway and claimed it's a hidden verse on reincarnation. But, It seems you have overlooked Deuteronomy 7:9-10 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;... You mean if someone keeps His commandment, he will keep coming back for a thousand generations for his pay cheque?

And you claimed that "SO THAT PERSON, FRIEND MOTHER FATHER CHILD WHO DIED THAT YOU GRIEVED FOR WILL RETURN BACK TO THE EARTH IN 90 TO 120 YEARS TIME IN A DIFFERENT BODY." So, with the Millennium of Christ about to begin, what happens to those who just died before that start? They will come during that reign?

Jesus Christ told John the apostle at the beginning of Revelation (Rev 1:1) that "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

"....things which must shortly come to pass...."

What does that tell us? They were yet to happen at that very time when John was receiving them in our human realm. Have they happened in the spiritual realm? Yes. That was why John saw everything from the first chapter to the very last chapter.

Your interpretation of JOB 19 VS 26 is quite misleading as well.... Paul shows us in 1 Corinthians 15:44: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." Job had a revelation of understanding that there is a resurrected body, which we see demonstrated in Christ

So Obadiah, I am not sure if your presentations are from the Jewish Kabbalah or a genuine teaching, which you have mixed with errors; you need to go back and re-learn it properly BEFORE teaching, otherwise you will lead many to Hell and you will have their blood in your hands.

obadiah777: REVELATION 22 VS 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. <<< CHRIST AS LUCIFER IN THE FUTURE. LUCIFER MEANS BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.

ISAIAH 14 VS 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning

Obadiah, you're mixing truth with heresy and all becomes heresy.
Jesus Christ, God, is the Bright AND Morning Star - that is different from the son of the morning (or even a morning star). First Adam is VERY different from Last Adam.

This is nothing but a subtle twisting of Scriptural truth and that is called heresy.

Jesus even promised to give an overcoming saint into the morning star (Rev. 2:28)!
Does that mean they will ALL become Lucifers? No, you're teaching heresy. And those who accept your your knowledge are feeding from knowledge of good and evil.

New Alfa: only way to what?

....to Eternal Life & Heaven, of course!

Is there falsehood in her testimony then? Because from what I have been observing about most of the churches she mentioned - Deeper Life, RCCG, Lazarus Mouka & Lord Chosen, Chris Oyakilome, Oyedepo & Winners, etc seem to be very true. From lack of love to hypocrisy, from false preachers to satanic miracles, from deliberate disobedience to outright worship of pastors.... Her message seem to be full of bringing out these things. Does God (the Bible) believe differently?

All the pastors mentioned above preach different Jesuses. Don't they?

Perhaps you have heard about Linda Ngauja's Testimony, but if you have not heard, see it on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMpgleYB6U

She spoke about Lazarus Mouka's deviation from the Lord and receiving fake powers from Satan himself - very shocking!
She also warns about other preachers of the gospel such as: E.A.Adeboye (RCCG), William Kumuyi (Deeper Life), Paul Eneche, Chris Oyakilome, David Oyedepo and many more!

According to her testimony, she visited Hell and Heaven. There were witnesses also that the My question is: Is Jesus The Only Way?

All these arguments seem to be circulatory, with so many pages written by almost the same people for the same arguments. May I ask ALL if your arguments would stand the fire test of God?

Hosea 8:14 - For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.

1 Corinthians 3:10 - According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

WILL YOUR WORDS OR ARGUMENTS HOLD WATER BEFORE GOD?

Across all religions of the world, we all know there is an expectation that there is a coming Messiah. Even the secular world know there is wind of change about to blow. However, Christians tell us that there is a special phenomenon about to take place, called the RAPTURE. In this rapture the Christians will just vanish into thin air. Is this true?

Friends, this woman is not proclaiming that "I am the Way, follow me."

I believe all she is saying is for people to return from a life given to SELFISHNESS back to the holy fear of God.

Of course, we don't need a miracle or signs and wonders to believe God, but the little book (BIBLE) that God has given us, how many are reading AND living by it?

We are not to follow anyone, but Christ. The question is: Are You?

onitshaigbo: The Bible has warned us about false prophets, even those that appeared to do miracles, like raising from the dead. Do not put your trust to this woman, but to the Word of God, and Christ Jesus Himself.

I totally disagree with you that this woman is a false prophet. Without a doubt, she has had an experience, and has interpreted it in her own way. Did you know that Daniel & John the Apostle saw the same thing and wrote it in their own way?

Do you want to tell me that if you live in accordance with her practical suggestions on holy living you will sin against God?

@ omonuan ...

You quoting the Book of Revelation as if you know the depth, height and width of the mysteries of God. To be honest, I pity that attitude and would encourage you not to thread the courts of God with arrogance. If you don't know, it's better you don't touch; if you want to learn, humble yourself to know. Just an advise.

Segeggs: @Olaadegbu

why did God have to send a sierra leonian when he knew he would still send a naija woman?

Because God knew the one that will reach you.

Let me ask you this: Why did God have to allow a donkey to speak to a prophet when He could easily have sent an angel? Mind you the angel that wanted to kill the prophet. Why did He send the donkey?

PhenomenonVFX: Another dumb Christian propangandist making other Christians look bad. People dont seem to want to engage their brains anymore.

Romans 14:4 says, "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand."

Why are you bent on judging another man's servant? If what she is saying is irrelevant to you, why don't you just pass her by and leave her to her dreams/visions/etc ? Must you cut and paste her?

What if.... What if, she actually had a genuine experience and Christ commissioned her with this message, what are you going to do when you stand before God? Give an excuse that you did not know? What are you going to say?

Be careful to judge another man's servant. Do you realise that she NEVER for once encouraged anyone to sin or do anything that will make someone unGodly? So, be careful. If it's not for you, pass by and leave her alone.

MostHigh: The spirit of yashua is the spirit of prophecy.

I long for the new day and pray constantly to see it with my eyes.

Amen!

The 8th Day of God is what we should be aiming for as well. This is after the millennial reign of Christ, where Man will typically live a full day in the sight of God; thereafter, God will usher those who qualified into the New Day, which starts immediately after the 1000-year reign of Christ. God wants everyone to qualify for this new beginning, but most are counting themselves out, because they want to live for the now, just like Eve and Adam, which is sad. Really.

I must say that I like MostHigh's recent comments.

The story is both literal and allegorical.

If you look at it very well. God spent six days in creating the world and rested on the seventh.

Moses revealed something interesting in Psalm 90. He said a thousand years is like a day before God and a day is like a thousand years.

Taking that maths into consideration, you will notice that no man has ever lived a full "day" (1000yrs). The closest was Methuselah (969). In essence, God wants to take Man into the 8th day. But, before the 8th day, there is a 7th Day, which is equivalent to the 1000 years reign of Christ on Earth, of which we are at the brink, hence the end of days. If you also examine things very well, we are about to finish spending 6000 years (Geologists may argue against this fact).

Ok Brah, I feel you.

I am not trying to prove I know better than you, it's just that I don't try to twist scriptures to my own belief system. So, when I see someone trying to prove to me what I can't see, I ask the person to show me, because I am ready to learn; yet, if I can't learn anything I tell the person he's not making sense.

People are referred to as Water/Sea
The Word of God is referred to as the water that washes.
The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Living Water that flows.
Jesus is referred to as the Water from the Rock

All these allegories have to be seen in their own context.

When people are referred to as being in the sea or fallen into the sea, it means they are dead or completely alienated from God..... I will stop there. ..... Thanks.

May God have mercy on us all and help us. Amen!

obadiah777: BRAVEGUY YOU ARE NOT READY FOR MEAT. I WILL GO ON TO QUOTE SEVERAL SCRIPTURES BUT YOU WILL SCOFF AT IT BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL ON MILK. BUT THE STORY OF NOAH IS SYMBOLISM. THE WHOLE WORLD DID NOT REALLY GET WIPED AWAY BY H20. THE WORLD GOT WIPED AWAY BY WATER ( DOCTRINE )FROM THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN EMPIRE HENCE USHERING THE ERA OF THE GENTILES. BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH MEAT. MY MEAT IS TOO STRONG. I THINK I WILL KEEP IT TO MYSELF

obadiah777: "THE WHOLE WORLD DID NOT REALLY GET WIPED AWAY BY H20. THE WORLD GOT WIPED AWAY BY WATER"

Indeed!!!

What is the difference between H₂O and water?

Yes, you're right, you need to keep that meat to yourself because it is INEDIBLE .... Not meant for a child of God. Thanks for that.

Even if an angel were to stand before most people, their belief system will not change.

obadiah777: THAT BRAH INTO THAT TRINITY ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

Brah, TRINITY is not Roman catholic, it is Bible.

So, because Adam and Eve sinned by being intimate, the oceanic animals and other beings that procreate learned intimacy from Adam? Sorry, your assumptions are just that, they don't make sense at all.

BEFORE Adam was created, did you not read about what God said to the BEASTS of the earth?

Genesis 1:22 tells us: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Was God telling them to teach plants about God, too?



I just can't help but laugh.

obadiah777: GENESIS 1 VS 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD

DEUTERONOMY 4 VS 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

How do these TWO verse explain that God told Adam to educate other created beings such as animals including things such as earthworms, sharks, tigers, etc?

So, to have dominion means to teach?

If God never had the intention that Man should procreate, why did He say the same to Noah?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What about Genesis 35:11 that says, "And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Sorry brah, all your arguments are just personal interpretations of twisting Scriptures.

I guess, you would want to say that the Holy Spirit is angel Michael again.

Nah! You're just twisting Scriptures as Peter warned against in 2 Peter 3:16. I advise you to desist because you will just be misleading people into all sorts of assumptions and error. It's dangerous, not to humanity only but before God.

obadiah777: THAT BRAH INTO THAT TRINITY ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

I got the joke now -

obadiah777: THE BIBLE IS DEEPER THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE AND HAS MORE LAYERS THAN AN ONION. THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE INSIGHT TO PEEL THE LAYERS. ALMOST EVERYONE STAYS STUCK ON THE FIRST LAYER

No need to tell me this, even an atheist know this.
We all know that it is full of allegories.

But that is the more reason why you should NOT add your own personal twist to it.

If the Bible did not say God told Adam to teach animals about Him, why do you want to add it?
If the Bible says God told Adam to teach animals about Him, show it to us and not try to twist it through your explanations.

For example, the Bible openly declares that Jesus Christ is God and He also says the same in various places as well.

Your explanation is not new and the fact that the Bible is referring to spiritual deadness does not mean that was why God created beasts before He created Adam.

You mean Creation does not know their Creator?
How come Sinai quaked before God? (Psalm 68:8 )

What about the Ravens? (1 Kings 17:4)

Where is it written that Adam was to teach the beasts of the field about their Creator?
Please show me, don't try to explain it, just show me the Scriptures - 2/3 scriptures will be enough. I am willing to learn.

obadiah777: BUT YOU DO ERR. EVERYTHING I TOLD YOU IS IN THE BIBLE. BUT JUST HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE BOOK OF GENESIS YOU NEED TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE REST OF THE BIBLE, SAME WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE BOOK OF REVELATION YOU NEED TO HAVE READ ALL THE BIBLE. ITS DONE LIKE THIS FOR A REASON. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT

GENESIS 1 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. <<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH

SAME BEASTS BEATING ON ISRAEL AFTER THE LORD ELEVATED THEM AS PUNISHMENT TO ISRAEL FOR NOT SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZING THE BEASTS
DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. <<<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH ? AND CARCASE MEANS SPIRITUALLY DEAD BODIES NOT PHYSICALLY DEAD. BEASTS OF THE EARTH ARE HEATHEN NATIONS. GENTILES

Again you're entering into a territory the Bible did not give an account of.

Ever heard of the Serpent of Brass?
Numbers 21:9

There are MANY things we don't know; because of that fact, you can't try to justify your knowledge or assumptions by what you think, it has to be DECLARED in the Bible.

Don't try to change the Thread's topic: What Was The Forbidden Fruit?

The Bible is clear that it was a fruit from the TREE of knowledge (of good and evil).

The best argument or treatise written in the object, IMO, is that one I read from Forbidden Fruit .... the fruit was a spoken knowledge.