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Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 3:07pm On Jul 15, 2014
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This is a lame way to try convert an unbeliever
Call it what you will, what is the point of trying to convert someone who is adamant of facing the consequence of the Hell he denies - no, I am not trying to convert the hardened heart.

This is just an information to be shared, at least, we are in the information age.

Enjoy the info as you make your way to Hell. Have a nice trip, but sad trip! cry
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 3:04pm On Jul 15, 2014
TheBigUrban2: Take your foolish fear-mongering elsewhere.
Fear-mongering? So, what is making you afraid? If you don't believe in the afterlife, there is nothing to be afraid of them; if I were you, it won't bother me a bit.

grin
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 3:02pm On Jul 15, 2014
TheBigUrban2: Take your foolish fear-mongering elsewhere.
The TRUE FOOL was the person described in the Bible some 4,000 years ago.... Psalm 14:1
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 2:59pm On Jul 15, 2014
It is rather UNFORTUNATE that the vast majority of humanity, especially those who think they know a lot or more than enough to conclude that there is no God.

Did you know that....
..... a lot of information or clues were given before the 9/11 accident of the Twin Towers happened.
..... a lot of information or clues were given before the UK's 7/7 Underground bombing took place.
..... a lot of information or clues were given before the recent disappearance of the MH370.
...... ever thought about the MURAL at the Denver International Airport and taken the time to know what information they are painting for us?
..... MOST IMPORTANTLY....
..... a lot of information is ALREADY described in the Bible - but you want to ignore it...... SAD!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQtjWSQdKA

Our world is riddled with all kinds of seemingly unexplainable situations, which many are doing their very best to ignore by burying their heads in the sand like the proverbial ostrich.

PEOPLE!! WAKE UP! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 2:37pm On Jul 15, 2014
http://rapturewatcher./2014/05/06/true-testimony-of-lucius-oge-the-rich-man-in-luke-1619-31-is-truly-in-great-torment-in-hell-i-spoke-with-him-in-hell/

....... A Scientist (Atheist) In Hell!

There was another man, a scientist and an atheist who confessed that the greatest mistake he made in life was to believe that there is no God. He explained that whenever they wanted to carry out any experiment, whenever they mention the name of God, the experiment would not be successful, but when they don’t use the name of the Lord, the experiment would be successful. That was the belief that made them make it into a law in their organization that God does not exist. That now, Jesus exists and that Satan even exists. There is heaven and hell but it is too late for him. He begged me to talk to those atheists that God do exist and when they die they are coming to hell and God is not happy about that and that God will take me to a high position and that I should use the opportunity to tell people about eternity in heaven and hell. The fire rolled him down again.
.................. Read the rest:
http://rapturewatcher./2014/05/06/true-testimony-of-lucius-oge-the-rich-man-in-luke-1619-31-is-truly-in-great-torment-in-hell-i-spoke-with-him-in-hell/
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 1:05pm On Jul 09, 2014
Weah96: Na lie. Where are you getting your information? Just off the top of my head, I know that Darwin didn't confess. Thomas Paine actually insulted two ministers who were trying to save his soul from hellfire. And Christopher Hitchens died with dignity. But even if they did confess, how does it add value to your faith? Information acquired under torture cannot be accepted in a court of law, here or in fairy land. That's why no one called Jesus a wimp for trying to chicken out of his crucifixion.
I didn't live at the time of Darwin (even though I read that he repented before he died) and neither did I witness Thomas Paine's insult, but Christopher Hitchens? Did you see his last BBC interview before he died? He confessed how fearful at his process of dying and how he was at the live that awaits him at the other side!

Ever heard of Pascal's Wager?

Pascal does not think that the atheist or the believer would be convinced by his argument. Instead, he directs the Wager to the curious and unconvinced.

I have a choice: either first I believe God exists or second I do not believe God exists.

First, if I believe God exists, and God in fact does exist, then I will gain infinite happiness. However, if I believe God exists, and God in fact does not exist, then I will have no payoff.

Second, if I do not believe God exists, and God in fact does exist, then I will gain infinite pain. However, if I believe God does not exist, and God in fact does not exist, then I will have no payoff.

Thus, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in God, and I have everything to lose and nothing to gain by not believing in God. On these grounds, one would be foolish not to believe.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 9:22pm On Jul 06, 2014
Ok, atheists, I have a few questions for you.

What if you died and discovered that we were right about the Bible, Jesus and God; what choice do you think will be left for you?
Don't you think you would have blown your chance?


Think about this.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 1:16pm On Jul 06, 2014
[size=14pt]You know, as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't matter if we accept or refuse the realities of Hell and eternal damnation, what has been WRITTEN by God has been written and will take place; it is there just for us to take heed and also FEAR (complete holy reverence).[/size]

Let us cite a few references as to The Biblical Realities of the Judgment of Hell!

Matthew 8:12 "But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth".
Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell".
Matthew 13:42 "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

Matthew 18:9 "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire".
Matthew 22:13 "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth".

Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?".

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:".
Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal".

Mark 9:43 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:".
Mark 9:44 "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched".
Mark 9:45 "And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:".

Mark 12:40 "Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation".
Luke 12:5 "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him".
Luke 16:23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom".
Luke 16:24 "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame".
Luke 16:25 "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented".
Luke 16:28 "For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment".

Revelation 14:11
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name".


HELL is REAL, whatever interpretations we want to give it, it is a place of eternal torment.

Do we remember that a few decades ago, America created a place called Alcatraz? So, we think God is not capable of creating a STRONGER and BIGGER Alcatraz for the punishment of those who flouted His laws?

[size=14pt]Would it not be an UNJUST GOD who would say it is okay for the UNREPENTANT PAEDOPHILE or MURDERER to live in the same HEAVEN (whatever that place means) as those who accepted His Grace and REPENTED from their sins?[/size]
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by BraveGuy: 11:14am On Jul 06, 2014
Well, either we believe it or not, it won't change the judgements of God, He has it WRITTEN....

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Mat 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

You have to ask yourself, what punishment is PREPARED for the devil and his angels?
When you get your answer, the same awaits the disobedient and those who have willingly rejected Him as their Saviour.
Christianity EtcRe: The Pattern, The Letter And The Veil by BraveGuy(op): 1:31pm On Jul 05, 2014
I can't seem to get enough on this enlightening statement from this man.

Here is an excerpt that blessed me:

[size=14pt]In other words there are three levels of understanding in the comprehension of the Word of God; and if you have it at the back of your mind that there are three levels of understanding to the Scriptures, which is patterned according to the design of the temple, then you will do well.
#1. Intellectual Understanding
#2. Spiritual Understanding
#3. Fullness Understanding
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Christianity EtcRe: The Pattern, The Letter And The Veil by BraveGuy(op): 12:58am On Jul 05, 2014
Ezedon: Still expectin a meaningful point
What meaningful point?

Have you seen a simple breakdown of Biblical understanding like that before?
He defined the three levels of Biblical understanding, according to the pattern of the Temple in the Old Testament?

Have you ever seen or read something like that before?

If, from the title only, you can't see what he's saying; sorry, it is not for you and I can't help you.

God Bless
Christianity EtcThe Pattern, The Letter And The Veil by BraveGuy(op): 9:10pm On Jul 04, 2014
Brother John releases another article that helps reading the Bible in a fascinating way:
http://brotherjohn.org/the-pattern-the-letter-and-the-veil/

Let me quote him:
The Nonsense That Makes Sense
Have you ever wondered why we have so many Bible professors who have vast knowledge of Hebrew, Greek and Latin, together with the history and archaeological records and all kinds of knowledge about the Books of the Bible, yet have no relationship with God nor have any clue as to the reality of Christ?

There are many people with this level of understanding (intellectual) and have become pastors, preachers, professors and doctors of divinity, yet they have no personal relationship with Christ – their names are not in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Revelation 21:27). They know about God, but don’t really know God.

When you have a congregation that have people snoozing or responding to their mobile phones during a sermon, it is usually because the sermon is boring and full of intellectual exercise. So, the people get their brains worked to the point of fatigue and soon become disinterested or get exhausted in trying to keep up with the intellectual gymnastics.


You must read the whole: http://brotherjohn.org/the-pattern-the-letter-and-the-veil/

I can't wait for him to share the 2nd part.
RomanceRe: What Will You Do? by BraveGuy(op): 2:58pm On Jan 03, 2014
Found this:
[url]brotherjohn.org/father-forgive-them/[/url]
Christianity EtcRe: Should You Forgive? by BraveGuy(op): 2:55pm On Jan 03, 2014
Amber10: ah ...forgiveness!
I found this amazing write-up:
Father Forgive Them http://brotherjohn.org/father-forgive-them/
Christianity EtcOnly Two Men Ever Lived by BraveGuy(op): 6:25pm On Dec 31, 2013
Your understanding of this TRUTH can change your life FOREVER!!!

It is written, "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven" (I Cor. 15:45,47). Can the natural mind ever fathom the depths of the eternal truth that there has never been in the history of the world but two men? There is a deep and hidden meaning in the words, "the first man Adam" and "the last Adam." The natural mind would conclude that, if there were two Adams coming four milleniums apart, the first of these being the first Adam, it would logically follow that the next Adam would be the second Adam.

The Lord Jesus Christ is here called the last Adam. But he who is called the first Adam is also called the first man. And He who is called the last Adam is also called the second man. The first Adam is the first man, but the last Adam is the second man, and the second man is also the last man. These simple statements, which on the surface seem so insignificant and scarcely worth our notice, are in fact pregnant with meaning, and full of wisdom and understanding. The first Adam is said to be the first man. The last Adam is declared to be the second man. If the second man is also the last Adam, He is also the last man. Now if the first Adam is the first man, it would of necessity follow that there were no men on earth before him, for he was the first. And if the last Adam is the second man, then there were no men on earth between the first Adam and the last Adam, for the last Adam is the second man, and there can be no men between the first man and the second man.

If there were even one other man between the first man and the second man, obviously the second man could not BE the second man; he would be the third man, the one hundredth man, or the five billionth man. And since the second man is also the LAST MAN, there can not have been any men since Him, for if others have followed Him, He is not then the last man. So then, the first man was the first man, the second man was the second man, and the second man is the last man, so that there have been only TWO MEN who have ever lived upon this planet - Adam and Jesus Christ! There were none before Adam, none between Adam and Christ, and none since Jesus Christ. Only two men. No more. No less. These simple statements portray as nothing else can the great truth that all men who have ever lived ARE INCLUDED IN THESE TWO MEN.

These two men are corporate men, many-membered men. And since all men are contained in these two men, what happens to these two men happens to us ALL. Let our minds grasp the significant truth that when the first man sinned we all sinned, for we were, each and every one of us, genetically, substantially, and experientially right there in him. The same death that passed upon him because of his sin passed likewise upon us all, even to the last man of Adam's race, for all have sinned.

You must shift base from the first Adam to the Last Adam to enter Heaven!
RomanceWhat Will You Do? by BraveGuy(op): 5:24pm On Dec 31, 2013
As a Christian, we know God expects us to forgive our enemies. But, what about those who really hurt us so bad? I mean such as a man who sleeps with his friend's wife or puts his friend's daughter in the family way.

What should be done in such cases? Overlook such acts and continue the friendship?

Romantic people, what is your take on this matter?

If you were the friend, what will you do?

Laugh over it and act as if it's one of those things, seek revenge by doing the same to him or just move on and forget it?

Christianity EtcWhat Is Wrong With Repetitive Prayer? by BraveGuy(op): 5:13pm On Dec 31, 2013
Will praying on the same thing or request - over and over again get your prayers answered or is it a waste of time?
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Is Melchizedec In The Old Testament by BraveGuy: 5:04pm On Dec 31, 2013
OlaoChi: But then this implies reincarnation and core Christian doctrine dismisses reincarnation
No, this is not about reincarnation, it is about God who can appear or do anything He says He will do at any time He chooses to do it.
Christianity EtcRe: BREAKING NEWS: There Is No Hell Fire; Adam & Eve Not Real –––pope Francis Expose by BraveGuy: 4:59pm On Dec 31, 2013
EvilChapterz: : If theres no God that means theres no Devil, but if you claim satan dosn't exist can you explain the ways of african rituals and blood money? How they operate with black magic, can you describe how your brain reacts!
Spot On!!

If there is no God, there is no Hell, no Heaven, no devil and no witch!
Then African rituals that they use in making blood money is a joke.... people that have been kidnapped and used for blood money is a con.... need I say more?
Christianity EtcRe: Should You Forgive? by BraveGuy(op): 4:50pm On Dec 31, 2013
Why shouldn't he suffer the punishment of his crime?

"So he that goeth in to his neighbor's wife; Whosoever toucheth her shall not be unpunished."
Proverbs 6:29 ASV - American Standard Version.
Christianity EtcRe: "Adam Didn't Die The Day God Said He Would!" by BraveGuy: 4:32pm On Dec 31, 2013
truthislight: Thanks for that though.

God's time and that of humans are not the same since God's throne is not on planet earth and he God does not make use of the same sun with human and the sun is the means of time calculation for man but not God.

But the bible tells us that God's one day is this :

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4).
...........

Maybe that verse is a lie.

But we know that Adam lived for 930yrs, less than a day befor God that made that statement.

So, from the bible, Adam died the same day he ate the fruit.
Excellent comment!

Since the fall of Adam, No man has ever lived for a DAY!
Christianity EtcRe: Should You Forgive? by BraveGuy(op): 3:58pm On Dec 31, 2013
Amber10: ah ...forgiveness!
Incredible!

SO, YOU WON'T MIND IF YOUR BEST FRIEND SLEEPS WITH YOUR WIFE - what will you be thinking/feeling each time you have a party or a function and your friend turns up and your wife is shaking hands with him and making hugs? Excited or Anxious?
Christianity EtcShould You Forgive? by BraveGuy(op): 2:50pm On Dec 31, 2013
As a Christian, we know God expects us to forgive our enemies. But, what about those who really hurt us so bad? I mean such as a man who snatches his friend's wife or puts his friend's daughter in the family way.

What should be done in such cases? Overlook such acts and continue the friendship?

Nairaland buddies, what is your take on this matter?

Honest answer only. These are serious situations!

If you were the friend, what will you do?

Christianity EtcWhat About Forgiveness? by BraveGuy(op):
As a Christian, we know God expects us to forgive our enemies. But, what about those who really hurt us so bad? I mean such as a man who snatches his friend's wife or puts his friend's daughter in the family way.

What should be done in such cases? Overlook such acts and continue the friendship?

Nairaland buddies, what is your take on this matter? Honest answer only. If it was you, what will you do?

Christianity EtcRe: Margaret Amure Died And Came Back To Life With A Message From Jesus Christ by BraveGuy: 9:56pm On Sep 06, 2013
OLAADEGBU: This is how to prove your point using the youtube videoclip:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgqrN-7VoY

If I claim that she said that Jesus gave here a warning to Christians to return to the Deeper Life way of dressing (physically) if we are going to make heaven:

Evidence is that you will find it as from 0:51:50 minutes on the videoclip posted above. It's not rocket science.
I am not a member of Deeper Life, although I respect the teachings; but what have you to lose for dressing like them - I mean no jewellery or undue attention to your curves or person? Have you considered the risks of the opposite? You wear those things and look good for yourself, but another starts lusting after you or you wore those things to make a statement that "if you've got it, flaunt it!", is that not a serious risk?

Yes, it is WRONG to tell someone else how to dress or what lifestyle to live, yet I don't believe that holiness is of the external; but then the internal holiness is reflected on the outside.
Christianity EtcRe: Margaret Amure Died And Came Back To Life With A Message From Jesus Christ by BraveGuy: 9:45pm On Sep 06, 2013
soapdish: I don't think this one you uploaded has that particular place that she said it.

I don't have anything to gain from discrediting this message but I really wish and hope that this message will be reviewed by people who are open minded and unbaised to really ascertain whether it is in line with the word of God as recorded in the bible.
The New testament told us that Salvation is free and not by works least any man should boost.

Her message is to the effect that we are to work out our salvation. If a truly born again christian who goes to church only on sundays will be thrown into hell for not attending weekly activities then ...
Again, I think it's the context. For example, not attending fellowship because you think you're better (pride/spiritual pride) that those who do.... not attending fellowships because someone offended you and you can't forgive.... not attending the fellowship because you tried to woo a sister and she turns you down.... it's a context. Another side of that coin would be that you're not attending because all the preaching/teaching are doctrines of Jezebel/Balaam.... you're not attending because Christ is not the reason for gathering.... you're not attending because the lustful/corrupt activities going on there grieves your soul.... is the other side of the coin. Do you get it?

That woman was delivering the vision/experience with her own perspective, passion, mannerisms, psyche, etc just like all the Gospels were relating the some story in different viewpoints.

The bottom line is this: Does her message instil the FEAR (holy reverence) of God in you? If it does not, then you should bin it, but if it does take it seriously.

At the end of the day, the Bible is still the greatest prophetic reference.
Christianity EtcRe: Margaret Amure Died And Came Back To Life With A Message From Jesus Christ by BraveGuy: 9:24pm On Sep 04, 2013
OLAADEGBU: My brother, we shouldn't give up warning them of the reality of heaven and hell.
I agree with you, but.... it can lead to OUR own disobedience, too.
Titus 3:10 says, "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;"

Luke 9:5 also says, "And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them."

There is a time when you need to stop arguing or engaging with them, even though it would seem like you failed and they won the argument, let them and go your way.

God Bless.
Christianity EtcRe: One Woman's Quest To Share Christ With A Muslim by BraveGuy: 6:55pm On Sep 04, 2013
Ajibam: The Gift
The three of us hung out for about an hour longer. Mable even asked me to share the vampire story with Shady. I felt like it wasn’t the right time, though, and suggested that she share it with him the next day. I learned later that she did.

As we were talking, my phone rang. It was Jon. I hadn’t realized how much time had passed—it was already 11:30 at night. It was time for me to say good-bye.

I had brought gifts for Mable but had wanted her to open them without Shady around. That didn’t seem possible anymore, so I handed her the gifts and whispered, “Wait until I call you from the car, and then you can open them.”

We hugged good-bye. She said she loved me, would miss me tons and their family would plan to come visit me in California someday.

As her chauffeur was driving me away in her car, I called her. I told her to open the bigger gift first. It was a New Testament in both Arabic and English. I encouraged her to read it so that she could learn more about Jesus.

She said thank you and that she would most definitely read it.

Then, I asked her to open the smaller gift. It was a silver ring with four rubies in it. I told her that I had no clue if this ring was going to fit her, but it had a special meaning.
“There are four rubies on this ring. From now on, I want you to remember that you are a mom of four children, not a mom of one. Three of your children are in the loving arms of God. One has been entrusted into your loving arms to care for until, I pray, one day we are all united with Jesus in heaven.”

Mable was quiet for a moment. Then she said, “Thank you, Holly. This means so much to me. I love you so much.”

With tears in my eyes, I told her that we’d keep in contact and that I loved her too.


The clock struck midnight near the end of the phone call. I sat alone in the backseat of her car, and I couldn’t help but believe that God wasn’t finished with Professor Mohammad. He didn’t bring me to the other side of the world to experience such a crazy situation and not have Him impact her life. Tears started to stream down my face. Thankful for the darkness of the car, I turned on my iPod to listen to worship music the rest of the way home. As I thought about the last few days, I was humbled to grasp that the Lord chose to use me with this person, in this country, for such a time as this


http://www.charismamag.com/life/women/18545-one-woman-s-quest-to-share-christ-with-a-muslim
Thanks for sharing this, Ajibam; I took time to read it through. Quite intriguing and engaging.

Wow! This is a story of someone sold-out to Christ. Why? The risks she undertook, but more importantly, trusting in the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I pray that all the seeds you sowed will come to fruition in Jesus' Name. God Bless You.


N.B
I wouldn't take the alcohol though, I would give it a miss at the dinner.
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Christianity EtcRe: One Woman's Quest To Share Christ With A Muslim by BraveGuy: 6:52pm On Sep 04, 2013
RoyPCain: i couldnt read the too long story posts. but you dont have to leave the west to meet fake muslim arabs. they are plentiful in the west, pork eaters, alcohol drinkers, boy or girl chasers, other illegal things doers.

the boys may be persuaded more easily if you the females working hard for Jesus have your legs up quicker than they can say hello. at least you will not be spending so much money to do the work of holy spirit the father of your human God.

at least you are better than those who go to the poor and force them to convert that man is worthy of worship before you give them foods while your forefathers used to use that same gimmick on them if they want education and advancement.
Better than bombing innocent people to bits!
IslamRe: Breaking News From The Quran !!!!!!!!!!!!! by BraveGuy: 9:48pm On Sep 02, 2013
BetaThings: This is the REAL Breaking News!!!!
Prophet Muhammd (SAW) name is in the Bible
Watch it patiently. The name is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible but is deliberately mistranslated
ala the type of post we have here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3sZfPwv1g
I have seen, heard and debated this argument before and you can't win.

This can easily lead to another amount of argument, which I think is not necessary.
So, I think this idea should be left alone.
IslamRe: Breaking News From The Quran !!!!!!!!!!!!! by BraveGuy: 9:47pm On Sep 02, 2013
I have seen, heard and debated this argument before and you can't win.

This can easily lead to another amount of argument, which I think is not necessary.
So, I think this idea should be left alone.

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