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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 1:10pm On Jan 03, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
You should be more concerned about the group that's carrying out the assignment Jesus commissioned for now not arguing about the wrong group, find out the group that's doing Jesus' work since you're sure that it's not all the groups that's following Jesus' teachings!

There's only One group of Christian's God Himself have ordained, One must be Born Again before He can enter into the Kingdom of God.
Now if you could open up your eye's wide enough, you would notice Christ have His workers {Born Again Group} already at work defending His Word on this page.
You claim to know Christ: the world claims the same message, Max you don't speak the language God speaks, you speak another tongue, which isn't recognizable to the Word of God.
Your knowledge of the Word is nil-you use the scriptures as your tool to deceive, only because you have been deceived.

MaxInDHouse:
He commanded his disciples to go preaching and teaching throughout the earth as a group {Matthew 10:11-13} and assured that this group will become known globally {Matthew 5:13-16} due to the assignment he gave them! Act 1:8
Now you're saying the one and only group that is actively carrying out this assignment doesn't know Jesus because a man (Russell) and some men were used to restructure Jesus' group for the endtime work.

The disciples were Born again Believers, so yes they had the authority to go out to preach the gospel, just as Jesus told them too.
You Max aren't a Born Again believer-so the message you are preaching is not the message Jesus told you to preach.
You only pick and choose bible verses that suits you, you are not led by the Holy Spirit, you are led by your own understanding.
Everything you wrote: doesn't answer to anything I had written to you, it's all written in a gibberish Watchtower language..

MaxInDHouse:
If you say you believe in Jesus i will also say i believe in Jesus because Jesus's name is found written in the Bible and the book says "Jesus is God's Son"
That's why different sects are claiming they know the first century young Jewish carpenter but then what is the evidence that you truly know Jesus?
He commanded his disciples to go preaching and teaching throughout the earth as a group {Matthew 10:11-13} and assured that this group will become known globally {Matthew 5:13-16} due to the assignment he gave them! Act 1:8
Now you're saying the one and only group that is actively carrying out this assignment doesn't know Jesus because a man (Russell) and some men were used to restructure Jesus' group for the endtime work.
For your information Russell is just like any other servant of my God that lived and carried out the work assignment to them they don't know what i know today because Jesus is the founder of his group!
During his lifetime Russell didn't know that the celebration of Christmas is wrong. So how is he the founder of the group if he never knew so many things members of the group preach and teach today?
Do you remember John the baptist?
Well he himself was the prophet who was to come in the manner of Elijah {Malachi 4:5} only Jesus knew this {Matthew 11:14} but did John himself know this? NO! All he could decipher is that the voice he heard said he should go into the wilderness and start preparing the way for Jehovah! John 1:20-23
After seeing God's Holy Spirit landing on Jesus' head and hearing God's own voice confirming Jesus as the Christ {John 1:29-34} Yet when Jesus didn't act on John's anticipation he sent his disciples to ask if Jesus is the Christ or not {Matthew 11:2-3} but did Jesus condemn John for questioning his authenticity?
NO! Jesus used that opportunity to tell the Jews who already held John the baptist as true prophet of their God {Luke 20:6} that John was the Elijah they were expecting! Matthew 11:14

So if you feel that Russell is not a messenger of your own God it's OK but i am 100% sure that he has done a great work for my Lord Jesus Christ by preparing a multitude of disciples globally even though he never knew how it will turn out during his own time!

You should be more concerned about the group that's carrying out the assignment Jesus commissioned for now not arguing about the wrong group, find out the group that's doing Jesus' work since you're sure that it's not all the groups that's following Jesus' teachings!

May you have PEACE!

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 6:45am On Jan 03, 2023

Explain to me How "Holy" does this sound: when in fact you would rather trust in man' before you would trust in Christ to bring you into salvation:
As I have already written>the Watchtower began over 200 years ago by Charles Russell-one who was a 33 degree Freemason.
Charles Russell is your savor, once you have joined the Watchtower you put all your trust in this man' he led you into Watchtower salvation..
You don't know Christ: if you had fellowship with Christ: you wouldn't deny His Word: instead you use the Word of God as a mockery as your tool to persuade lost souls.
Your Love for the Lost souls is out of context:

MaxInDHouse:
Restlessness made brocab responded three times to just one post!

Well these are the main points:

[1] Only God is good that's what Jesus said!
[2] Only God sets standards for being good!
[3] Mankind is imperfect in general!
[4] Not all worship is approved by God!
[5] Yet God called a gathering "Holy"
[6] The gathering of God's people is filled with imperfect humans.

So all you need to find out now is what is the criteria of the gathering of Holy ones not how to argue over doctrines that you can't present any gathering that's doing what you are saying.

The sin those criticizing Jesus and his group in the first century committed is condemning the standard God set to bind imperfect humans together and make them do His will. Matthew 12:31-32
The preaching and teaching campaign of God's Kingdom started when Jesus began gathering imperfect humans and handed over the work to them. The fruit of God's Holy Spirit is what will help imperfect humans in carrying out this job and this are the attributes of God's Holy Spirit:

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

So you have nothing to say against any group of people carrying out this work because that is the IDENTIFYING MARK of pure worship and the gathering of the Holy ones not perfect humans!

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 3:31am On Jan 03, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name. This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

This is definitely a Hell delivering Message: NOW, YOU AGREE Jehovah witnesses is a group who comes in the name of Jesus delivered by Satan himself: "and not Christ..
There are plenty of religious groups out there-that refuses the Word of God-only because it's used as a distraction to lead us further away from the truth.
"Jesus said: one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.
There are many religious groups out there denying this fact, many believe when they die they will enter into Heaven, while still on earth living their lives, just as God never existed..
And then we have those: who are not satisfied with the written Word of God: so they change it, and write their own manuscripts: which is leading people further into the pits of Hell.
So I believe there's only One true God-His Word, and there's no religion out there, that will turn my heart away from my savor the Lord Jesus Christ.
We all have our choice, we either believe in truth and be saved, or we choose to ignore the Fact that God ever existed..

MaxInDHouse:
This is the question right thinking people often ask and it's a very good question!

Jesus said no one is good except God and he made this statement when called "GOOD" {Luke 18:19} meaning even himself is not qualified to be called "GOOD" except Jehovah.

Now this is where the critical thinking skills will help you. Jesus was approved by God {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus declared that even himself is not good except his father and God.
This means there is a standard set by the one who is Good (God) and anyone exerting himself to live by that standard will gain God's approval.
But since each person will claim he is living up to God's standard Jesus started gathering individuals who are willing to subject themselves to God's standard, he sent out imperfect humans as his representatives (disciples) surely anyone expecting perfection from imperfect humans can never accept Jesus' group as unique and approved by God?
So what makes Jesus' group stands out though they are imperfect humans?
Well it's because they humbly followed Jesus in the first century while their contemporaries kept finding faults with Jesus the one God approved as Christ! Matthew 3:16-17
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name.
God's Holy Spirit will continue to work with those who are truly willing to subject themselves to Jesus' counsel so even though their group is filled with imperfect humans we will notice the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:16-18} what are the attributes of this spirit?
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} in any gathering of imperfect humans where this is noticed know that God has approved their worship.

This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 12:01am On Jan 03, 2023*

MaxInDHouse:
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name.
This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

Yes the world is full of nut's claiming to be Jesus Himself, we have one fella in my country claiming to be the Almighty. we know them by their fruit. you believe Jehovah witnesses is the answer to salvation.
That actually sounds nuttier.
Jesus said; those who believe on Him shall be saved: no-one can come to the Father without Jesus, God said: first seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all things shall be added to you.
So where in scripture-does it say, we are to rely on a organisation made of Men to bring us to Christ.
{John 6:44} No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
When in fact you believe Christ had chosen the Watchtower to be the only true Apostles-you believe you are the only organisation who have the rights to choose what type of people would be suited for Christ.
Obviously no-one would be suited-if they deny the Watchtower.
The Watchtower was made up over 200 years ago by Charles Russell-one who spent most of his time being a 33 degree Freemason. Freemasons dance with the devil-and you have put all your trust in this man' to lead you, into Salvation...
So if I was to put my trust in the Watchtower for my Salvation-then Christ died in vain..
{Jeremiah 17:5} Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.
{Proverbs 3:5-6} Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

MaxInDHouse:
This is the question right thinking people often ask and it's a very good question!

Jesus said no one is good except God and he made this statement when called "GOOD" {Luke 18:19} meaning even himself is not qualified to be called "GOOD" except Jehovah.

Now this is where the critical thinking skills will help you. Jesus was approved by God {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus declared that even himself is not good except his father and God.
This means there is a standard set by the one who is Good (God) and anyone exerting himself to live by that standard will gain God's approval.
But since each person will claim he is living up to God's standard Jesus started gathering individuals who are willing to subject themselves to God's standard, he sent out imperfect humans as his representatives (disciples) surely anyone expecting perfection from imperfect humans can never accept Jesus' group as unique and approved by God?
So what makes Jesus' group stands out though they are imperfect humans?
Well it's because they humbly followed Jesus in the first century while their contemporaries kept finding faults with Jesus the one God approved as Christ! Matthew 3:16-17
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name.
God's Holy Spirit will continue to work with those who are truly willing to subject themselves to Jesus' counsel so even though their group is filled with imperfect humans we will notice the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:16-18} what are the attributes of this spirit?
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} in any gathering of imperfect humans where this is noticed know that God has approved their worship.

This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 10:45pm On Jan 02, 2023*

MaxInDHouse:
God's Holy Spirit will continue to work with those who are truly willing to subject themselves to Jesus' counsel so even though their group is filled with imperfect humans we will notice the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:16-18} what are the attributes of this spirit?

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that: God the Father (whose name is Jehovah) is "the only true God". Jesus Christ is his firstborn son, is inferior to God, and was created by God. The Holy Spirit is not a person; it is God's active force
So how does the Holy Spirit work with you, when in fact you claim the Holy Spirit is a active force; it would be like having a electric shock, every time you want to call upon God for answers.
You need to test every word you are taught by your elders, do not to be afraid of the scriptures>do you know the work of the Holy Spirit is to exalt Christ in our hearts. He forms the image of Christ in us. We owe all to God in salvation. The Father gave us the Son, the Son gave his life for us, and the Spirit gives us life and faith in Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
This is the question right thinking people often ask and it's a very good question!

Jesus said no one is good except God and he made this statement when called "GOOD" {Luke 18:19} meaning even himself is not qualified to be called "GOOD" except Jehovah.

Now this is where the critical thinking skills will help you. Jesus was approved by God {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus declared that even himself is not good except his father and God.
This means there is a standard set by the one who is Good (God) and anyone exerting himself to live by that standard will gain God's approval.
But since each person will claim he is living up to God's standard Jesus started gathering individuals who are willing to subject themselves to God's standard, he sent out imperfect humans as his representatives (disciples) surely anyone expecting perfection from imperfect humans can never accept Jesus' group as unique and approved by God?
So what makes Jesus' group stands out though they are imperfect humans?
Well it's because they humbly followed Jesus in the first century while their contemporaries kept finding faults with Jesus the one God approved as Christ! Matthew 3:16-17
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name.
God's Holy Spirit will continue to work with those who are truly willing to subject themselves to Jesus' counsel so even though their group is filled with imperfect humans we will notice the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:16-18} what are the attributes of this spirit?
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} in any gathering of imperfect humans where this is noticed know that God has approved their worship.

This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:59pm On Jan 02, 2023

Well we already know the answer to that, I wouldn't call any Church that's involved in this sort of behavior my Church..

Courz:
What is very suspicious of JW is that when a JW commits fornication, Adultery or any other wrong doing, the Elders are very quick to act and disfellowship. But Child P@rnography is not a serious sin to Watchtower and Pedophilia is condoned with Pedophiles protected. What does this show? It shows that Watchtower is part of this whole disgusting act and are in support of it. Do you know that their Leaders, some of their Governing body members who are late now, were Pedophiles as well?

Is this a religion for God or for Satan?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:54pm On Jan 02, 2023

What is your job in the kingdom? It must be important to you... You are over protective, concerning certain members in Kingdom hall. Your Kingdom must be proud

Janosky:
Oga, nah your friend posted this screenshot.

The other option is to carry your GIBBERISH outta here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:31pm On Jan 02, 2023

Well it is a question to ask, since they are over protective based upon this issue.

Courz:
Janosky must be a Rapist. I heard rape also goes on amongst JWs in Nigeria here. Janosky, were you let go like this when you raped a child?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:16pm On Jan 02, 2023*

So if anybody is involved in child molesting, and he/she repents to Jehovah, then kingdom hall would use {Matthew 18:15} as an excuse to help cover up his/her crime.
So as far as you Janosky are concerned, since this happens all the time, the Watchtower have taken the matters into their own kangaroo court.
Just so they can be set free. ''Is that what happened to you-were you set free..

Janosky:
US Court Judge have NOT given any judgement on this case,NL IBERIBEIST done set up kangaroo judgement inside him head.

Insanity does not have another meaning.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 1:55pm On Jan 02, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
This is all i need in your lengthy story, there is no church of perfect worshipers any gathering is filled with imperfect people and since we must worship God as a church (congregation) which of the churches (congregations) is following the footsteps of the first century Christian Congregation?

Now I have another lengthy letter from you>You are right, there is No one, who truly follow God:
{Romans 3:10-12} As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”.
So what makes you believe the Jehovah witnesses are the true believers, when in fact, you know you are not perfect..

MaxInDHouse:
There must be rules and the punishment must be within tenets of Christianity since the report was made within the congregation of God and not to unbelievers. The punishment for wrongdoings in the first century congregation is REPROOF or DISFELLOWSHIP after a person has been reproved he can still be welcomed by the congregation because he showed a repentant attitude that's why his case didn't lead to disfellowship which means he is unrepentant

I don't see this as a punishment within your congregation when it allows these fools to mix with Children' even after they had committed a crime against Children, their repentance shouldn't allow them to associate with any child after their crime.
And because they had repented to God: they still have to obey the Law of the Land: and allow the Court Judge convict them from their crimes.
if the Watchtower were sincere, they wouldn't have hidden these matters away from the authorities, it should have been reported to police.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never told us to report our brothers to the worldly authorities due to wrongdoings rather what he told us is to take steps which may lead to reviving our brother spiritually {Matthew 18:15} but after all effort to regain him proves abortive then we must shun him {Matthew 18:16-17} that's the time he could be reported to the authorities because he's no longer willing to surrender himself under the same rule so those who deals with miscreants can now take over his case.

{Romans 13:1-2} Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.
{Titus 3:1} Titus also tells us to be obedient and submissive to rulers and authorities.
{Matthew 18;15} doesn't cover your argument:
So if your fellow brother keeps on molesting your son-daughter, and he repeats raping your son-daughter daily, and comes to you with repentance daily, you will forgive Him daily and keep on allowing your brother to play with your children, you wouldn't report him to the authorities, because he repented. "so your brother is free.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what Christianity truly means not just following worldly thinking yet claiming you're a Christian. So from your comments it's obvious that there is different religions with different doctrines so you can't demonize a group due to their doctrines since nobody has been to heaven and come back to confirm which doctrine is acceptable to God.

If you refuse to believe the Word of God is written by God's Word: then it's understandable why you are with the Watchtower 'because of your unbelief..

MaxInDHouse:
This should help you to see that there's no reason condemning people simply because they belong to a religion rather the best thing to do is present a better performing group for everyone to see why they need to leave groups not performing up to expectations as Christian groups. That's what we are doing not condemning people!

{Matthew 7:5} How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?
Then you must ask yourself-why do you condemn:

MaxInDHouse:
This is all i need in your lengthy story, there is no church of perfect worshipers any gathering is filled with imperfect people and since we must worship God as a church (congregation) which of the churches (congregations) is following the footsteps of the first century Christian Congregation?

There must be rules and the punishment must be within tenets of Christianity since the report was made within the congregation of God and not to unbelievers. The punishment for wrongdoings in the first century congregation is REPROOF or DISFELLOWSHIP after a person has been reproved he can still be welcomed by the congregation because he showed a repentant attitude that's why his case didn't lead to disfellowship which means he is unrepentant.

Jesus never told us to report our brothers to the worldly authorities due to wrongdoings rather what he told us is to take steps which may lead to reviving our brother spiritually {Matthew 18:15} but after all effort to regain him proves abortive then we must shun him {Matthew 18:16-17} that's the time he could be reported to the authorities because he's no longer willing to surrender himself under the same rule so those who deals with miscreants can now take over his case.

That's what Christianity truly means not just following worldly thinking yet claiming you're a Christian.
So from your comments it's obvious that there is different religions with different doctrines so you can't demonize a group due to their doctrines since nobody has been to heaven and come back to confirm which doctrine is acceptable to God.

This should help you to see that there's no reason condemning people simply because they belong to a religion rather the best thing to do is present a better performing group for everyone to see why they need to leave groups not performing up to expectations as Christian groups. That's what we are doing not condemning people!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 2:20am On Jan 02, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
How many JWs have you caught doing those things you mentioned? This is what i meant by accusing people wrongly just at the mention of their group name.

Firstly, I am not accusing you personally, I don't know you, plus I myself don't have anything to do with people who commit crimes such as these! I prefer to stay away from them. I will pray for them, and if I had the chance, I would tell them to stop doing it.
And I have already explained to you, the Watchtower is not the only group who have committed these crimes.
You just need to open up your mind and listen to the News, if none of it was true, then the Watchtower wouldn't be wrongfully accused, usually news like this 'comes from within "obviously the authorities found the evidence within the Watchtower, and yes" it's all over the net, news travels fast these days.

MaxInDHouse:
I live in Nigeria and i have never heard of child molesters in the congregation of JWs since 1992 that i've known this group, i only read such on the internet.

You must have a blind eye, or maybe you have chosen to close your eye's on the people who are actually involved in this type of behavior?
I already gather you are from Nigeria-parts of Nigeria is known across the globe-how poor this country is. Africa reminds me of Asian countries, poverty always attracts crimes against humanity, it doesn't matter whether it is in Church or on the street.
Where there's poverty, it attracts the rich who supports crimes such as these. even in my country.
So now you admit you read this stuff on the net: if you aren't convinced, then search more, and find out where this news is coming from, most of the stories I have read: are written by Jehovah witnesses! where else does stories like these come from, So obviously these members are now classed as X Jehovah witnesses no longer exist within.

MaxInDHouse:
All these things you're saying is due to just one reason: JWs is a group of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word!

If the Watchtower were walking with God, then why are they accused of such Crimes by there own members? Not everyone is involved: but those that are, are hidden by the top.
I have already written this down: about this sort of behavior does not just stop at the Watchtower-Churches or over the world have also turned their backs on God: committing crimes such as these..

MaxInDHouse:
There is no religious group where such things doesn't happen but you just want to convince yourself that only JWs practice such things when we all know that these are the traits of sinful nature in humans and all organisations are filled with IMPERFECT humans.
So what is your point?
Jehovah's Witnesses shouldn't preach anymore because you have heard or read about these things in their midst.

Like I said: no one is accusing you personally: I am not searching for prefect people-I have already found Jesus in my heart, and if I am looking for answers, all I have to do is search the scriptures.
My personal point is this>I won't stand up with any Church who are involved in this sort of behavior, I would not call it my Church-and I will not defend it, now no-one is prefect, but I believe if we are truly walking with God, then we would believe in the Word of God. And if people were really obeying God: then no-one inside or outside the Church will be hearing these crimes against God's people..
{Joshua 1:8} This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
I don't need a Church structure to tell me how I should worship God, when in fact I already have His manual to learn the Scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
How many JWs have you caught doing those things you mentioned?
In which religion do you think such doesn't happen at all?
This is what i meant by accusing people wrongly just at the mention of their group name.
I live in Nigeria and i have never heard of child molesters in the congregation of JWs since 1992 that i've known this group, i only read such on the internet.
Jesus said:
“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you. Matthew 5:11-12

All these things you're saying is due to just one reason: JWs is a group of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word!
There is no religious group where such things doesn't happen but you just want to convince yourself that only JWs practice such things when we all know that these are the traits of sinful nature in humans and all organisations are filled with IMPERFECT humans.
So what is your point?
Jehovah's Witnesses shouldn't preach anymore because you have heard or read about these things in their midst.
Sorry my guy you're really evil from Jesus' point of view because all humans are sinners and Jesus never promised a group of perfect preachers so attributing sinful nature that's prevalent in the world to a religious group just because they're preaching and teaching others what they know makes you an enemy of God just as Jesus described @ Matthew 5:11-12

No matter what you say we know it's due to our zeal for pure worship because all humans have sinned and fall short of perfection so there is no group of perfect worshipers you're only maligning God's people for their zealous preaching of the word of our God!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 11:56pm On Jan 01, 2023*

Your argument is pointless: if you knew Jesus Christ: you would see the light. But because you choose to stay in darkness-blind you shall always be. You claim you are Christian-then why fight against His Word.

Aemmyjah:
Was Jesus Christ in an equal position with God?

Over and over you have denied Jesus, why would the Word of God lie against the truth-it's obvious, Jesus was equal with God:
God said: I AM {Exodus 3:14}
Jesus said: I AM.” {John 8:48-58}
God is my salvation; {Isaiah 12:2}
{Acts 16:30-31} “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
The scriptures is showing me-both Father and Son have the same equal authority as each other, and then I read: God the Father gave all authority to Jesus..
{Matthew 28:18} And Jesus said: “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
{Ephesians 1:21} far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
{Philippians 2:9} For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
"I am reading: God Gave all authority to Jesus: this sounds equal to me! All three are One person.

Aemmyjah:
Did he see the person of the holy spirit

{1 John 5:7} For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
{ John 14:9} Jesus said to Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Have you ever seen God? yet it say's: No has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit, and because God calls Himself Spirit, does it make God a lair?
I can spend all day writing scriptures: but it's pointless, because your heart has already made a decision: to not believe.
It actually shows, you are obviously looking for a sign from Heaven, and no sign shall be Given, only because the hardening of your heart. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.” Jesus

Aemmyjah:
What did stephen saw just before his dead
Did he see one in three persons?
Did he see the person of the holy spirit
Was Jesus Christ in an equal position with God?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:00am On Jan 01, 2023*

Then you need to explain why Jesus said:
{1 John 5:7} For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Three working together in One Heart One mind and One soul...
From the beginning of creation in Genesis to the end of times in Revelation, God refers to Himself as "Us" or "Our" and thus describes the doctrine of the Trinity.
The word trinity comes from "tri" meaning three and "Unity" meaning One. God is three distinct individuals - God the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit - in one true God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God {John 1;1}
{John 8:56-59} Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad. "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds
{Hebrews 1:6} And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him"
{Hebrews 1:8-10} Your throne O God..
So you see there are plenty of scriptures backing up Jesus claiming who He say's He is.."So why would you believe in a organisation who's against, the disciples Christ had chosen, these who wrote the scriptures, claiming your organisation know more about the Word of God then these chosen spirit filled men of God had written.
I myself would run from anybody who claim they know God more then His Word.
Many false prophets have come into the world to deceive many.

Aemmyjah:
Also, Jesus Christ quoted that
The Father and I ARE one

That is the verse that trinitarians quote
If you break it down in simple english language structure of a sentence

We see that there are two subjects, one verb and an object

"My father" and 'I' are the two subjects
Are is the verb and are denotes plurality and not singularity
One is the object

Jesus could have said 'I am the Father' but why he said shows that Jehovah and himself are two separate, distinct person

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 3:54am On Jan 01, 2023*

MaxInDHouse:
We are known globally as a unique group with just one group name and the world hates us at the mention of our group name even though we've not done any evil to them! Matthew 10:22-25 So our Jesus differs from your!

Well you claim you don't do any evil outside the Watchtower, well what about inside the Watchtower: families have been torn apart-long time marriages are being forced to separate, Children are being Molested. young men and women raped. just these few has been practiced inside the Watchtower this is a abomination against God.
Has anybody prayed and fasted. has anybody in the Watchtower repented, has anybody ask the Lord for forgiveness- has anybody been delivered from these crimes against humanity.

MaxInDHouse:
The Jesus i follow has just one organization: Jehovah's Witnesses!
We have love for our neighbours {Mark 12:31} so we must not carry weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

You claim: the Jesus you follow has one organisation: you believe it's Jehovah witnesses? do you really follow the Jesus in the bible? Or is there another Jesus: ?
"A Jesus that you believe you are saved by Grace, this allows your organisation to live immoral lives while serving the One true God. {Jude 1:4}
You claim: you have love for your neighbors-what kind of Love are you preferring too-are these neighbors inside or outside your organisation?
You claim: you don't carry weapons of war against anybody, but verbally speaking: war doesn't always come to us naturally, it can come to us spirituality, so what happens in the Watchtower, not only does it affect people psychically, it's affects people spirituality.
Is this the sort of love' you obey: and worship? Or would you call this, a practice of an abomination against God.?

Now this sort of behavior does not just stop at the Watchtower-Churches or over the world have also turned their backs on God: warring against their own resources within the Church-False teachers, elders pastors, apostles, prophets, priest, all over the world have committing crimes such as these..
The real war against us is not carnal, but spiritual-it's affecting billions of people all over the world: this behavior is demonic, drawing people further away from God, do you realize God see's everything-He see's good and evil, do you know the bible tells us, even the demons watch us, their eye's are everywhere, tormenting the Christians, seeking whom they may devour-seeking whom may believe their lies and wonders-so what secrets you may think you have, are not hidden..This is why we all need to Fast and pray-come to repentance and ask for the Lord's forgiveness, we all need deliverance. we all need God to protect us, from what is coming.

MaxInDHouse:
The Jesus i follow has just one organization: Jehovah's Witnesses!

We are no part of a disorganized world! John 15:19

We have love for our neighbours {Mark 12:31} so we must not carry weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

We love our fellow believers just as Jesus love us! John 13:34-35

We all have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10

We are all zealous preachers and industrious teachers of the word of our leader! Matthew 10:11-13

We don't welcome different philosophies all in the name of one God! Matthew 7:13-14

We are known globally as a unique group with just one group name and the world hates us at the mention of our group name even though we've not done any evil to them! Matthew 10:22-25

So our Jesus differs from your!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 9:38am On Dec 31, 2022

I don't want you to be my type, you need to follow Jesus:
God made Adam and Eve-not Adam and Steve-I am sure I have read: you have a wife? Now it's understandable why you are a member of the Watchtower.

MaxInDHouse:
Great! Now you know i'm not your type so go find your type!

Christianity Etc › Re: Every Word of God is Law and Commandment! by brocab: 9:12am On Dec 31, 2022*

So you admit you are still under the Old Covenant, till stoning your children to death. How about when someone curses you, do you send it back to sender.
Or maybe you are under the New Covenant, Bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
Were you a Jew? that was led out of Egypt by the hand of God, or maybe you are still under your forefathers 'who crucified Jesus, for the same reason: that you accuse me off.

Dtruthspeaker:
So you admit you disobey God's Word! Okay.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 5:48am On Dec 31, 2022

You're already lost>so it would be a waste of my time, me trying to loose myself.

MaxInDHouse:
So get lost!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 10:15pm On Dec 30, 2022

We have never written down anything other the the scriptures, it's all bible verses.
You wouldn't know that of course..
If the Watchtower would stop twisting the bible, then I would say stick with the bible, not that bible the Watchtower had meddled with.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why they're ashamed to uphold any form of teaching/doctrine because JWs will use the scripture in their hands to prove EACH of them wrong.
So just like Jewish numerous religious sects of the first century they're forming alliance against God's people instead of using the scriptures to settle among themselves first they want JWs to drop our teaching.
The question is which of them has a better doctrine so JWs can adopt?
NONE!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 10:00pm On Dec 30, 2022

Max you are definitely not Christian: you are barking up the wrong tree Maxie, you need to snap out of it, wake up to yourself, and stop cursing the Lord:
Max you pollute Jesus Name, you rubbish His Word-and you curse the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Why would you believe you will have any part being with Jehovah when in fact you despite the Word of God:
If it wasn't the bible in the first place-Jehovah witnesses would never have existed.
Even thru the Watchtower had added and removed scriptures, the Word of God is used as our tool to bring us closer the God, its a manual to learn from.
I never called you my brother: I said: humble yourself and settle it with Courz.
My Mother and my Brother and Sister are those that seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. "No Max you are not my Brother..

MaxInDHouse:
Ask Courz to preach Jesus if he's your brother in the same Jesus as you stupidly claim.

I'm not your brother so i'm demanding that you speak to your brother to preach your god to me!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Every Word of God is Law and Commandment! by brocab: 9:29pm On Dec 30, 2022

/ Re: Every Word of God is Law and Commandment!
I am pointing out to this heading above, we no longer obey all Old Covenant Laws, some Old Testament Laws have Changed since Christ made a new Covenant with us..
Yes we have got to come under God's obedience and follow His Commandment's, and be under His Covenant and obey His Law.
What does Jesus say:
{Mark 12:30-31} Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.

Dtruthspeaker:
We are not taking about the Curse of Law but trying to determine that which is the greatest Law.

Is it
1) Obedience and Compliance Exodus 15:26 or

2) Love The Lord Deuteronomy 6:5

I say 1) Obedience and Compliance.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 9:46am On Dec 30, 2022

{Pslam 66:18} If I regard iniquity in my heart the lord will not hear.
I would think hard about the verse above-if you show any iniquity against anybody 'the Lord will not hear you. He will turn away from you, even your prayers will not be answered..
{Proverbs 6:3} Go and humble yourself; and plead with your friend.
Humble yourself and settle it..

MaxInDHouse:
Tell Courz to preach Jesus. Period!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Every Word of God is Law and Commandment! by brocab: 9:22am On Dec 30, 2022

No it's not:
{Galatians 2:10} For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue all all things which are written in the book of the Law, to do them.
So do you obey all the Laws from the two Covenants-or just the ones that suit you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Everything here is Off Point and Departure from Post!

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 7:07am On Dec 30, 2022*

Of course, your answer is to be expected, ''Not only I, but everyone that writes the Word of God is a nuisance and a lair to everybody who calls themselves Jehovah witnesses.
{Romans 8:30-31} And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Jehovah witnesses is against everyone who preaches the Word of God outside there crafty organisation..

{Ezekiel 33:1-3} The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, speak to your people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their watchman, and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the trumpet and warns the people, then if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life. ...

So the JW's don't believe Courz: well Courz is doing the above, he is screaming out from the house top warning the people, the enemy is coming to kill, steal and destroy.

MaxInDHouse:
Until Courz begin preaching Jesus you're just a nuisance and liar to me!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 11:15pm On Dec 29, 2022*

{Ezekiel 33:1-33} The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, speak to your people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their watchman, and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the trumpet and warns the people, then if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life. ...

So the JW's don't believe Courz: well Courz is doing the above, he is screaming out from the house top warning the people, the enemy is coming to kill, steal and destroy.
Courz spends time searching the net, looking for answers why the enemy is standing at our doors-Courz is warning us to be aware, so we don't be led astray by Watchtowers false teachings.
So I realize Courz upset's you-unfortunately everybody who knows the Lord upsets you? Courz is doing the above scripture, warning us, the enemy is here; Do you know In every battle, the enemy searchers for the watchmen first, once the watchmen is put down, they then attack.
So we have got to admire the work Courz and everybody else who's knows the Lord, we are here warning Gods People to be aware,
And if this upsets you: then maybe I can give you good advise, get of page and find one that maybe someone out there will listen to you.

Janosky:

Atheists COURZ Oteneaaron and Achorladey are all one in Christ with 3 deities worshippers.

Issorait!. grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 10:23pm On Dec 29, 2022

Convince you with what? you wont preach Jesus because you aren't hearing it from Courz, I have a better idea' why don't you preach Jesus without worrying about anybody else.
I preach Jesus, I write down scripture upon scripture and still you won't accept it from me, let alone from anybody else on this page.
These are the day's we need to think about our own walk with the Lord:
.{Proverbs 18:21} The Lord said: Death and life, comes in the power of our tongue, those who love it, shall eat it's fruit.
{Psalm 101:7} The Lord also said: He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence.
So if you have anything of the above, your chances being with the Lord is Nil...

MaxInDHouse:
So tell Courz to start preaching Jesus if truly you want to convince me!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 9:34am On Dec 29, 2022

So your saying you won't preach Jesus, not unless Courz preaches Jesus..
So Courz is now your mentor. 'God help us..

MaxInDHouse:
When Courz preach Jesus!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 8:25am On Dec 29, 2022

Like I said: its been answered. You talk about Courz not preaching the gospel, I don't hear the truth about the gospel preached from you either.
When are you going to believe?

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote any post where oteneaaron (Courz) preached anything about Jesus of Nazareth.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 8:10am On Dec 29, 2022

You got to remember we are all one in Christ-so it doesn't matter who answered your question: it's been answered.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're sane is the question addressed to you?
Oteneaaron (Courz) doesn't believe in Jesus so i asked him a question about his religion only for you to come quoting me instead of allowing the one asked to respond so you too can learn. Your stupidity knows no bounds o!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 11:36am On Dec 28, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
The article states that covid 19 never existed and all the figures of people dying were fake, the restrictions was to make people die to ease world population and the images of dead people are fake or old ones.

There are many stories running around about Covid, the media were turning Covid into a mockery-victims in car accidents, or old age people dying of natural causes, they blamed it on Covid.
There was one time in life the media was on our side giving us real news, now the media is controlled by Government resources.
I was watching Skyenews, and the virus wasn't a mistake, the french and China were working on this virus before it actually spread, China kicked out the french, and China had war games when Covid was tested, China murdered millions of there own, still until this day, before it spread to the rest of the world.
Yeah it's a problem: obviously certain people are affected by it: while others don't retrieve it.
Now lets look at the bigger picture-not only Covid: it's actually effected the minds of millions of people, we were all prolonged into a prison system, locked up in our own homes, for weeks on, people couldn't go out to buy food, many were staving to death, so again they didn't die of Covid itself: they died from hunger, and yet Our Governing Leadership used the media to blame it all on Covid: and not themselves..
In America they had the Georgia's Own Doomsday Stonehenge Monument, which states kill of 95% of the world's population, and then we have: Bill Gates said ‘at least 3 billion people need to die’ Eric Pianka told a meeting of the Texas Academy of Science that 90 percent of his fellow human beings must die in order to save the planet. ''A very disturbed Forrest M. Mims III—Chairman of the Environmental Science Section of the Texas Academy of Science, writing at The Citizen Scientist—reported:
Pope Francis traveled up on Mount Sinai-He and Our Governing leaders around the world made up a new 10 Commandment. We must worship Mother nature to save the planet, and allow science to run it's course.
We are hearing it straight from the top..Your Governing is not going to save your black backside.
I call this mind control-we are brainwashed: I am not surprised: what's coming next on the agenda.
And just to remind you, we don't all think the same: everybody have their own idea's. Just like you got your's.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath. by brocab: 10:24pm On Dec 27, 2022*

So why do you find it difficult to answer any questions-if we were to have any conversation, at least allow me to know whom I am talking too. I don't care what you look like, how old you are, it's not the issue.
{Galatians 3;28} Anybody can use the bible as somewhat reference, it doesn't prove you are Christian..
JW's use bits and pieces of the bible, and still they aren't saved. I have had many religious people claiming to know Christ, but never read their bibles.
Well obviously I am not afraid to claim I am a man, having the name like brocab. And what does NNTR stand for?

NNTR:
I havent any topic at the moment in mind to talk about. Sorry about that

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither slave nor free,
there is no male and female,
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

There is no limit to what and/or who we are

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Christianity Etc › Re: The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath. by brocab: 6:11pm On Dec 27, 2022

So then come up with a topic you would like to talk about. I am writing to a female right..

NNTR:
If you are really competently knowledgeable enough, just as you like to put across, you would know that, man was not created to boss over a fellow man

I take exception to my words being pulled and twisted out of shape

You distorted what I wrote to suit your agenda and fit in to your narrative

Jesus told stories. Thats a fact, period.
Thats a truth. There's nothing evil in saying that Jesus told stories.

If its about, you want to discuss the book, the Bible, of course, why not, we can leave the discussion for another occasion, on another thread.

You realise wrong, because you really dont know what I am religious in and since you dont know what you are talking about, I won't hold it against you.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 6:07pm On Dec 27, 2022

cornelboy:
Okay. Thumbs up.

Does this offend you Max,

MaxInDHouse:
That's what they say when everything they're teaching end up without anything worthwhile!

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