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MaxInDHouse:
You are an African not Israelite so someone or a church preached Jesus to you just as Watchtower preached Jesus to me.
So what is the name of that church that preached Jesus to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Someone or a religious group is responsible for whatever you know so if you can't mention the name of that group then you're a liar because Jesus is an Israelite not African unless a group of religionists spoke to you there's no way you can know anything about Jesus!

The Watchtower preached and taught me what i know about Jesus!

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse is coming from a Religion that demands Blind obedience to their leaders and doctrines. And he moved from there to another Cult that demands the same thing. Don't expect Him to accept anything you say. JWs have been Brainwashed. Simply discussing with them never works. Showing them the Bible never works. They are not Christians. A Christian is one who is a follower of Jesus. That's why Christianity is derived from the name Christ. JWs don't understand that because Watchtower doesn't want them to. They are Satanists.

Ask Mad MaxInDHouse why Watchtower made this claim in the below Watchtower yet they demand their members to blindly follow everything they say or else they will be branded as Apostates who will lose their friends and families when they are shunned.

MaxInDHouse:
That's my submission too!

MaxInDHouse:
Brother, you get time for this liar o!

He will continue lying and telling you he wants to help but what is the name of his church? He will never tell you yet he wants to help people when we all know that there is contradictions among the churches of Christendom.

Janosky:
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
Your fellow 3 deities worshippers rejected Compulsory Mandatory Reporting of child abuse.
The evidence abounds- Nah your 3 deities worshippers commit the atrocities pass everywhere not JWs.

JWs are noted for strict obedience of your quote of 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 PROVEN by the screenshots ..

Janosky:
Contrary to your delusion, The Watchtower Society has ZERO connection to your fictitious claim of occult.

But,child molestation is more rife in Christendom's 3 deities worshippers.
Jehovah's servants discipline & expel them and in the same breath JWs report the crime to law enforcement.
The statistics in screenshot speaking for itself.

Janosky:
Contrary to your delusion, The Watchtower Society has ZERO connection to your fictitious claim of occult.

But,child molestation is more rife in Christendom's 3 deities worshippers.
Jehovah's servants discipline & expel them and in the same breath JWs report the crime to law enforcement.
The statistics in screenshot speaking for itself.

Janosky:
Your Bible quote of 1 kings22:19-22 says God Almighty is a HE ,1 person.
Yet you worship 3 persons.
Pagan brocab deceiving himself.

Get your facts right! I have seen cases where ordinary church members go to ask the pastor for the 'favour' of paying tithe when the pastor never asked or preached it to them. Those are cases I am a witness to. I was not told. It would help if you stop thinking just in one direction.

To the Original Poster: The question I asked still awaits your response.

MrCodeSolo:
the Christianity you all church-goers are practicing is called pagan-christianity that's how Judaism sees you people. in same breathe you will say Jesus is God, so your God died on the cross in exchange for what exactly...? In the same breathe again you will say he himself based on the idea of trinitarian belief he is his own son...even your Bible can't tell the exact instrument he died on....the adoption of the cross symbol into Christianity was 100% a pagan relic. been there before and done that...I rather take my chances at following the path i feel at peace with than be spiritually brainwashed with obscured confusions

Courz:
It is unfortunate that JWs have chosen to follow the Blind. Their leaders have admitted that they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. But what JWs don't understand is that people that claim they are Christians yet they have no Holy Spirit are not for Jesus. So, all what JWs will get from their leaders are Man made doctrines filled with many assumptions subject to change over and over again. They will keep getting errors.

Here is a video from an ExJW( ExBethelite), who bumped into Freemason Coven members at the Watchtower Bethel Headquarters. They tried to recruit him and they explained exactly how JW doctrines are formed. The people who are responsible for formulating the JW doctrines are the Freemason JWs. They are part of The Channel of Communication which is actually Spirit Channelling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMQnZbyRko

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Helper whom the Father will send, will only reveal that which pertains to the Gospel and the Kingdom of God. - John 14 vs 15 - 17 & John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15 . This so-called prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ, His Gospel, nor the Kingdom of God and that is what primarily reveals this man a false teacher and false prophet. You didn't need to consider after much tme had passed whether the prophecy came to pass or not before realizing this fact of these men.

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ztEiBTXtE?version=3&hl=en

Many times, I wonder what the heck comes out from the mouth of some of our religious leaders. This statement by Benny Hinn is an outright blasphemy to God and His word and a slap to the body of Christ. It's time for some of these leaders to just keep quiet if they have nothing edifying to say to the body of Christ. If they are too old and seems not to know what they are saying any more, we humbly suggests they retire.

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse, why is the face of Satan, aka Jehovah your god, boldly shown in this Watchtower magazine in the video below? All Satanists showcase their allegiance to Satan by showing pictures of him in many ways to others that they are for Satan like the pics below. Why did Watchtower feature Satan in their magazine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CvL7FUgWb0

Courz:
Exactly. You will know the founders are Freemasons when their beliefs and ways are all alike. These Freemason founders must have a Cult Manual they all follow on how to lead their Cults. Elllen G White also had a Pyramid Tombstone erected for her just like Charles Taze Russell.

MaxInDHouse:
The most hilarious part is when atheists gang-up with churchgoers claiming they want to correct the belief of a person whose faith is strong i just keep laughing at their shamelessness!

Janosky:
For instance, that a victim was raised & abused by a pastor meaning that the Church raped her ( that is the same FALSE claim that COURZ & brocab are making against the Watchtower society.

These men are LYING to the public that " CIA closed down Watchtower's crime spree" inside their heads..

Are these LIARS from Mars ?
)

COURZ & brocab FALSE claims arising from a malicious intention of these individuals to defame and malign Jehovah's witnesses.

None of these individuals have any evidence ANYWHERE for the defamatory posts they type on this public forum.

Courz:
Russell copied a doctrine from Seventh Day Adventists, broke away from them and formed his own Cult and was teaching it as if he discovered it and now Watchtower is teaching it like they discovered it.

That is why Watchtower has warned JWs to stay away from their old literature so that JWs will not find their unspeakable doctrines they teach. Some JWs are not aware that their Former President Fred Franz once said that the writing commitee are under the influence of Angels. He said the Angels move his hands to write their publications. If that doesn't spell Spiritism to you then I don't know what it is.

Courz:


Raping Children isn't the only Watchtower's dirty secret. There is more and I won't mention them here because they are still under investigation. There have been anonymous leaks about this info from Security forces including the fact that they are Satanic. All agents know their secrets.

Courz:
That was exactly what I told him. I said there is no way he is an agent when he could be living in a face me I face you apartment using a Kpalasa phone to type. His IQ is also too low and he is thoroughly Brainwashed which is an insult to the CIA to have such a miscreant as a member. Also, there is no way he is an agent when all agents know all the dirty secrets of Watchtower.

Lamasta:
Praying in tongue is a gift if you have it fine and if not pray in your mother tongue God will answer your prayer....

Hannah prayed to God at Shiloh, Jabez prayed for God to enlarge his coast and God answered their prayers, don't allow anybody to make you feel that praying in your local dialect will not yield response from God.....

oteneaaron:
It all went down on this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/7170194/slave-shackles-1852-freemason-symbol

During a heated debate where MaxInDHouse claimed to be a CIA agent, he threatened Courz by telling him to "watch his back" .

See proof below.



I guess this is the fruit of the spirit MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Aemmyjah always talk about.

gorociano:
By Tim Cocks

OTA Nigeria (Reuters) - When a guesthouse belonging to one of Nigeria's leading Christian pastors collapsed last month, killing 115 mostly South African pilgrims, attention focused on the multimillion-dollar "megachurches" that form a huge, untaxed sector of Africa's top economy.

Hundreds of millions of dollars change hands each year in these popular Pentecostal houses of worship, which are modeled on their counterparts in the United States.

Some of the churches can hold more than 200,000 worshippers and, with their attendant business empires, they constitute a significant section of the economy, employing tens of thousands of people and raking in tourist dollars, as well as exporting Christianity globally.

But exactly how much of Nigeria's $510 billion GDP they make up is difficult to assess, since the churches are, like the oil sector in Africa's top energy producer, largely opaque entities.

"They don't submit accounts to anybody," says Bismarck Rewane, economist and CEO of Lagos consultancy Financial Derivatives. "At least six church leaders have private jets, so they have money. How much? No one really knows."

When Nigeria recalculated its GDP in March, its economy became Africa's biggest, as previously poorly captured sectors such as mobile phones, e-commerce and its prolific "Nollywood" entertainment industry were specifically included in estimates.

There was no such separate listing for the "megachurches", whose main source of income is "tithe", the 10 percent or so of their income that followers are asked to contribute.

As the churches have charity status, they have no obligation to open their books, and certainly don't have to fill in tax returns -- an exemption that is increasingly controversial in Nigeria, where poverty remains pervasive despite the oil riches.

The pastors argue their charity work should exempt them.

"We use the income of the church to build schools, we use the income of the church to serve the needs of the poor," David Oyedepo, bishop of the popular Winners Chapel, told Reuters in an interview. "These are non-profit organizations."

PASTORS ON FORBES LIST

Nonetheless, the surging popularity of the megachurches among the Christians who make up half of Nigeria's 170 million population has propelled their preachers into the ranks of the richest people in Africa.

In 2011, Forbes magazine estimated the fortunes of Nigeria's five richest pastors. Oyedepo topped the list, with an estimated net worth of $150 million.

He was followed by "Pastor Chris" Oyakhilome of Believers' LoveWorld Incorporated, also known as the Christ Embassy and popular with executives and politicians, on $30 million to $50 million.

TB Joshua, pastor of the Synagogue Church of All Nations, at the center of the recent diplomatic storm over the deaths in its guesthouse, was thought to have $10 million to $15 million.

The National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) declined to comment on how churches fit into their GDP figures, but a source there said they were included as "non-profit", which falls under "other services" in the latest figures. In 2013, the category contributed 2.5 percent of GDP, the same as the financial sector.

A former banker at Nigeria's United Bank for Africa, who declined to be named, recalled being approached five years ago by a church that was bringing in $5 million a week from contributions at home or abroad.

"They wanted to make some pretty big investments: real estate, shares," he said. "They wanted to issue a bond to borrow, and then use the weekly flows to pay the coupon."

In the end, he said, the bank turned down the proposal on ethical grounds.

Yet Nigerian churches do often invest large amounts of their congregations' money in shares and property, at home and abroad, he and another banking source said.

One pastor bought 3 billion naira ($18 million) worth of shares in the defunct Finbank, which later merged with FCMB, after it was rescued in a bail-out in 2009, a fund manager who handled the deal told Reuters. The pastor used a nominee trust account to keep his name off the books.

In 2011, Oyakhilome was investigated by the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) and charged with laundering $35 million of contributions to his church in foreign bank accounts. He denied all wrongdoing and the case was dismissed for lack of evidence.

Oyakhilome was not available for comment and Joshua's media team declined a request for an interview with him.

MIDAS TOUCH

Oyedepo's headquarters, "Canaanland", is a 10,500-acre (4250-hectare) campus in Ota, outside the commercial capital Lagos. It comprises a university, two halls of accommodation, restaurants and a church seating 50,000 people, with a total overflow capacity of five times that.

"You can see that everything this man touches turns to gold," Nigerian Agriculture Minister Akinwumi Adesina said in a speech at a reception for Oyedepo's 60th birthday at Canaanland last month.

"May the grace of God abide with you," he added, to a rapturous "Amen!" from the guests in a marquee.

Other dignitaries present included twice-president Olusegun Obasanjo and former military ruler Yakubu Gowon. A choir sang gospel songs as the guests cut an elaborate six-tiered cake and popped fizzy grape juice out of champagne bottles in golden wrapping -- alcohol is banned in Canaanland.

The next day, he delivered four Sunday services in a row to tens of thousands of cheering followers, his white-suited figure projected onto large flat-screen televisions all around.

"From today, no evil spirit, no demon will survive the Almighty!" he shouted, and the crowd roared "Amen!".

A spokesman said the church has 5,000 branches across Nigeria, and 1,000 more in 63 other countries across five continents. But Oyedepo's empire also includes two fee-paying universities that he built from scratch, a publishing house for Christian self-help books, and an elite high school.

Other pastors have similarly diversified ways of getting the Gospel of Christian salvation out.

Oyakhilome owns magazines, newspapers and 24-hour TV station, and Joshua draws miracle-seekers from all over the world with claims that the holy water he has blessed cures otherwise incurable ailments such as HIV/AIDS.

Before Joshua built his 10,000-seat headquarters at Ikotun-Egbe in outer Lagos, the area was part swamp, part abandoned industrial estate.

Now, it is a boom town with shops, hotels, eateries and bars catering largely to the travelers who come not only from West Africa but also from all corners of the globe to hear his sermons. Joshua also runs a TV station.

"BLESSED BY THE LORD"

Guests entering Oyedepo's birthday marquee in Canaanland would have seen a picture of the poor household in southwest Nigeria where he grew up, testament to a rags-to-riches story that many Nigerians would love to emulate.

Like U.S. televangelists, Winners Chapel preaches the "prosperity gospel" that faith in Jesus Christ lifts people out of poverty, and that message partly explains the explosion of the Pentecostal movement in sub-Saharan Africa, where misfortune and poverty are often seen as having supernatural causes.

"We see giving as the only way to be blessed. Blessing other people is a way of keeping the blessings flowing," said Oyedepo, whose blessings include a Gulfstream V jet and several BMWs.

Giving to support the church and its work is something the faithful are encouraged to do, a Christian tradition that was a pillar of the Roman Catholic church in medieval Europe, just as it has been a major money-spinner for U.S. televangelists.

Aneke Chika, a business analyst in an oil services company, told Reuters on the steps of Oyedepo's church that she set aside 20,000 naira of her 200,000 naira ($1,218) salary every month.

Asked about Forbes' estimate of his fortune, Oyedepo told Reuters: "For me, to have fortune means someone who has what he needs at any point in time. I don't see myself as having $150 million stacked up somewhere. Whatever way they found their figures, I am only able to say I am blessed by the Lord."

He said he could not estimate the church's total revenues or expenditure on items such as salaries because the various departments, including education, were too diverse.

The enterprises on the Canaanland campus, from the shops selling cold sodas and bread, to a woman boiling instant noodles and eggs for breakfast in a lodge, to pop-up book stalls hawking Oyedepo's prolific literary output, are owned by the church's estate, which employs their staff on its payroll, workers at all the outlets told Reuters.

Winners Chapel's Corporate Affairs department said the church employed more than 18,000 people in Nigeria alone.

Oyedepo says the wealth the church gathers is invested in expanding it, and that if he did not use a private jet, he would be unable to oversee its many foreign operations and still return to Ota every week in time for Sunday's worship.

Britain's Charity Commission says it is reviewing potential conflicts of interest in his finances, and last month the Home Office (interior ministry) barred him from Britain, though it declined to say why.

Oyedepo said he knew nothing of the commission's review, nor had the Home Office explained to him why he was barred.

A national conference to debate Nigeria's constitution this year proposed that the megachurches should be taxed.

But with an election coming up in February, it is debatable whether President Goodluck Jonathan, who is close to several megapastors, would risk upsetting these influential men and their hefty congregations with a fat tax bill.

"There is no single government input on this premises," Oyedepo told Reuters in the interview. "We supply our water, we make our roads, then you ... say: 'Let's tax them'. For what?"

(1 US dollar = 164.2 naira)

(Additional reporting by Chijioke Ohuocha in Lagos and Ahmed Aboulenein in London; Editing by Pascal Fletcher and Kevin Liffey)




From: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0I104F20141012?irpc=932