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oyetpel:
It was briefly discussed in the movie because the storyline is not in tune with the ones in the comics.


Odin reveled in her skills and used her to his advantage during his rise to power.
But i think the turning point for Odin was when he became fearful of her ambition and willingness to kill (the more she kills, the more she become powerful), which means she might usurp him one day if she wasn't stopped.

Sounds like, "I am a jealous God....." , correct?

Mujtahida:
You will search from now till eternity for a Christian, a true Christian in Nigeria and you'd never find one. I mean zilch. They don't exist. It's all a sham. People are who they are. Shikena. If they are good, they are good. If they are bad, they are bad. Moreover being good is not the same as being Christlike. Being good is the lowest rung in the ladder of Christlikeness. Let them crucify themselves, take up their cross as Jesus said and let's see.

A. W Tozer said the deeper life is only deeper because the average Christian life is tragically shallow.

I read Watchman Nee's 'The Normal Christian Life', The Spiritual Man', 'Christ the sum of all Spiritual Things', 'Sit, Walk, Stand', I read Tozer, St Augustine, Spurgeon, Francois Fenelon, St Theresa of Avila, Austin Sparks, Hagin, the Blumhardts, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Jose Maria Escriva and many others spanning ancient Christianity to the modern, across denominations and sects, Catholic, Calvinists, Armenian, I read. I hunkered for the life not intellectually but from the deepest depths of my soul. My thirst for righteousness burnt my soul and twisted me from within. I was sick with what I call the 'God disease'. Guy, one day I cast it all aside. This thing is madness from hell.


Majority of Christians don't bother to even attempt to live the Christ life. They don't read their Bibles, they don't pray. Sing, dance and show face is what they are best at. What they practice is churchianity. They know at a deeply instinctive level that no one can live that life prescribed by Jesus not even by so called grace, by faith and the Holy Spirit. What they glibly do is to go to church, pass through the endless rounds of church activities and programs (very key word- for programming their minds), carry their Bibles and live the spiritually dead and deadening life of CHURCHIANITY.

Let them try to live as Jesus proposed and see if they will not run mad.

Let me end with this quote by the inimitable Robert Ingersoll:If a man would follow today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a CRIMINAL. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be INSANE.

I repeat quit looking for a Christian. You won't find one. What you'd find are good people or bad people.

Thank you. And if you find anyone who lives up to the standard Christ set, you'd find they are not Christians.

vaxx:
this is what is dragging science progress, not having consensus agreement. the fact of science should be objective.

i love the first point, the one i colored.

Science cannot be by consent if no objective evidence is provided to justify that consent! That is why scientific experiments, at least, require peer reviews to ascertain repeatability, verifiability , falsifiability, and most important of all, objectivity.

No one in their right sense can argue that a one litre jug filled with a carefully measured out half a litre of water is not half full and half empty.

vaxx:
I agree with you on it. but the op is a good writeup wordy of brain cracking

It was very worthy of consideration, but alas, op was doing what you accused me of, arguing unnecessarily to prove a point, while refusing to consider anyone else's opinion or view on the matter, or he would have admitted he had not scientifically proven anything of the sort. But go back and check how many times he was told but refused to acknowledge the fact while continously asking that his position be refuted even though it was pointed out to him in the very first few responses that his premises were wrong!

I guess we now know what some do when they claim to be scientific!

Butterflyleo:
Yes and that was you speaking albeit unknowingly in support of the fact that science has been tainted by individual scientific subjectivity when such should be far away from science for it to be actually truly scientific.

Butter, how can I possibly have such a detailed discussion on the same issue with vaxx for so long and then post the exact same thing here, which corresponds with what you wrote, which is why I reposted it, and then be accused by you of doing so unknowingly? I demand an apology please. You see disagreement where none exists!

kovah, can you see how people build up imaginary realities in their heads?

Butterflyleo:
This is why there will always be opposing sides to scientific research. One person wants to prove his own preconceived hypothesis while another wants to do same with their own so its in a sense a scientific cheat even before conclusions are derived.

And as vaxx and I rightly pointed out, such subjectivity should be eliminated as much as possible or don't call it scientific. It should not be license to stoop to their level.

Butterflyleo:
This then makes scientists to provide parameters that would prove their hypothesis and even when their hypothesis fails to be proven, they keep tweaking the parameters until it is met. This does not then speak of actual truth but a rather false position gotten through subjective manipulation.

When people do what you describe here sensible people call them crackpots.

If they tweak parameters and build a bridge on such premises, the bridge will fall down, and if they did the same when building a rocket to go to Mars they will end up in the Atlantic ocean!

kovah:
don't insult cos there is no need to....But dat doesn't mean I can't...I just see it as necessary...We had a well organized system b4 colonization...A health system...Good roads dat impressed Lord lugard....Walls as high as d China wall... Sanitary system.. Artisans skilled in arts... Medicine...poetry...technology.But d Westerners never let us develop in our own way... They forced their doctrines on us...So we are not us as we should be ...But us as they told we should be...We were d dumb child learning but our parent decided their way was better and here we are agruing their ideology

Of course you can insult, but you wouldn't insult me, and of course, you see no need to. Like I said, I know how you treat me and whatever opinion you may have about me is irrelevant, at the moment.

Just imagine if with no evidence, I decide in my head that you think I am a fool and insult me in your mind, can you see how I might begin to attack you for no reason? Then I bet you would insult me back, and before we know it you and I would be at war, caused by me cooking up false ideas of your opinion of me in my head. I'd also have to lie and say you insulted me first! Millions die for such stupidity and there are numerous threads on here where it has been done! Hopefully, you and I will not be contributing to that number.

Nigerians often claim we were advanced, but the facts don't support that view. We didn't have an alphabet for instance, until Arabic was brought from the North, and sparsely at that. Our medicine was very backward, and the artisanship was rather basic compared to what prevailed elsewhere.

The colonisers were actually able to colonise us because we lacked the things you claim we had. And we adopted western ideas because we found their's to be superior to what we had. Or why would we abandon our Obatala and Ogun for Allah and Yahweh or allow them to enslave us if we were superior in any way whatsoever. If we truly did have those things you claim we had, we would have been able to repel the westerners with their ideology!

Do note that no nation develops without external influence. Britain was colonised by the Romans, and Americas by the Europeans. Even Japan and China was influenced by invaders!

vaxx:
i answer something similar like this in your former thread where i use global warming as an example. check up

vaxx:
this idea is what is stopping or hurting the progress of science, An example of this can be found with global warming or climate change. Some scientists believe that the modern weather we have is the result of normal fluctuations in patterns, others believe that human activities have changed the Earth's weather patterns. even Donald trump employ his own scientist to formulate theories that suit his own interest, he declare global warming is not true. No consensus agreement.

Which was in response to the following:

budaatum:
The subjective view is not encouraged in science as it cannot objectively be verified or falsified (tested, you would say). That is not to say that in all spheres of life, you discard subjective truth (for which I give two opinions below).

A subjective truth is a truth based off of a person's perspective, feelings, or opinions. Everything we know is based off of our input - our senses, our perception. Thus, everything we know is subjective. All truths are subjective.

To say that something is “subjectively true” means that it is true for the person(s) making the judgment, even though it may not be true for others.

Some even claim that the objective view of the scientist is still tainted with subjectivity as the scientist is speaking from their own perspective.

No! What objective evidence is there for or against gods? Would the god-believers and non-god-believers therefore agree that they have no knowledge to share? I don't think so. Just look at the number of threads set up on either side for sharing the subjective opinion for and against gods.

Butter, is the bit in bold not what you have suggested?

Butterflyleo:
These words below I used just today on another thread.

Science cannot prove God but can infer this to those who examine the evidence sincerely.

And if you truly went through the OP. It specifically speaks on inference based on the points in the OP.

"Sincerity", is a subjective element and has nothing to do with science, is my opinion.

Below is a view on science from vaxx. Could you let me know if in your opinion, it means the same as what you wrote?

vaxx:
Science is interested in answering questions and acquiring knowledge concerning the observable universe and this cannot be done subjectively as it will contradict scientific methodology even if the researcher has a good intention.the goals of scientific research are: description, prediction, and explanation/understanding. some individual had controlling and application to the list of the goals. All these cannot be subjective, it must be objective for the goals to be achieve .

Vaxx, note that this specific discussion relates to science!

pressplay411:
Hence for starters, God is beyond science. And His choice of indiscoverability doesn't prove that God doesn't exist but rather, science is inadequate to prove His existence.

So, is it your opinion that the title of this thread, Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived, is false?

Martinez19:
Nature has wired to our subjective experience to be in tone with objective reality as long as it doesn't compromise our survival.

Understood.

No, not understood. Elaborate please.

How is subjective experience wired to be in tone with objective reality?

Butterflyleo:
The academic approach to science is objective because it is a search for answers with findings scrutinized by peers.

An ideological approach to science is subjective because it starts with the desired findings at hand prior to the experiment.

Long story short, the process of testing is generally objective while the thought processes in interpreting the results are usually very subjective.

So this cannot be said to be a good position for "truth" as you infer. There are still so much out there that are true and yet have no scientific evidence backing them up yet science cannot deny their existence.

cc vaxx am i right?

vaxx, is he right?

kovah:
first not realizing how people see you is putting on rose coloured glasses... Second do ur research on Africa and how d Western world veiws the African continent... Hollywood n other social media education...Then u can tell me they don't think us backward...Third my idea of u isn't what u protested not even close... Fourth intelligent people do look for what to believe in dat y there r some many advancements in all aspects of life...Cos of dreamers and believers.... Fifth tolerance is what we as humans lack...We can't tolerate anything dat is not in anyway convince to our understanding.... Like me trying to get u to open up ur child's mind eye to everything...U can't tolerate dat.... Sixth yes religion is a problem cause it separates every human into different categories....I wouldn't reject murder of a pedophile or stealing in a Robin Hood manner...

I do know how people see me. I even told you, a 'people', how you see me. If I am wrong, do tell, or is that what you meant when you wrote "Third my idea of u isn't what u protested not even close.." If so, prove it. Show me where you insult me! Or are rude to me, or think I have no right to have my opinion!

As to backwardness, We, Nigeria, don't have running water, our gutters do not go round the street corner, our waste is not centrally collected, we have constant electricity failures, government employees are not paid salary when due, our roads are not well repaired, our hospitals are not well equipped, our children die of diseases that can easily be avoided or treated, and so on and so on... We are backward, and I don't have to be a westerner to say so!

Some humans may lack tolerance, and some do not.

kovah:
The true nature of man isn't wat he does dat u can see but wat is hidden in his heart ...

Hmm. Remember the conversation we had about oxygen, and the fallacy of making things up in one's head and calling it reality?

I can't see into the heart of another person, so all I have is how they treat me. Making things up about people with no supporting evidence is indicative of a mental illness, schizophrenia, to be precise, paranoia at the very least.

kovah:
If they knew d technological advancements Africans had b4 d colonials came...They would not think we still to dis day live in trees....But they have no idea dat we have technologies....So they treat us in dat context...

Who thinks you live in trees? Don't they fly planes to your countries to visit you? Please stop making up a false reality in your head! It is unhealthy!

kovah:
No matter wat u perceive in ur situation...If u had an iota of idea how d people around u regard u...U would see dat letting d next generation accept all ideas and discern those ideas for them selves is d next logical step in our enlightenment...

You, kovah, are people around me. And I know I just said I cannot see into people's hearts, but I'll have a go anyway:

I think you regard me very highly and respect my right to hold my opinion. You would never be rude to me, or even think of insulting me.

Go on, tell me I don't know how you regard me!

As to the next generation doing as they please, that goes without saying. Each generation does as they please so what's new. Give enough time and Nigerian men will even marry other men as Nigerian women too will marry women. It is the next logical step, as you mention. Or do you think we don't have gay people in our country already?

kovah:
Religion is d reason for majority of d world issues...D fact dat a mind is stream lined into thinking dat his way is Emacipate yourselves from your mental slavery...

Religion is the worst type of indoctrination there is, and that is mental slavery. Intelligent people don't go around looking for what to believe, they go about seeking knowledge instead. But religion is not about knowledge, it is about belief, even when there is no evidence whatsoever to support said beliefs!

So, who should be emancipating themselves, I dare wonder?

kovah:
Accept all even if u don't understand them...Hear listen learn... Don't separate or disassociate or condemn cause of your mental prison... Freedoms of choice is d only real thing we have.... Taking it away from an unformed mind...Is creating a path of destruction...Creating killers who justify killings cause they know nothing abt d people they kill or were taught to see those people as in d wrong....

I am sure there are some things you just freely choose to outright reject. Murder would be a classic example, and perhaps stealing. Do you reject these things because of some mental prison? Be that as it may be, I reserve the right to reject unfounded beliefs when I can go and seek knowledge instead. I just find it impossible to believe in the absurd.

Do note, I 'indoctrinate' my child with "thou shalt not kill" and wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a vegetarian!

vaxx:
Not necessary, but you can help her plan it . financially she can start contributing toward it from now on. hopefully you will do as your fiend wishes.

Thanks for your opinion vaxx, but I wasn't asking for any as I am able to make my own decisions and so can she. Ma has five children whom I am certain would plan and execute her wishes for her as she would be too dead to need our help. And friend died two years ago, and is burnt and dusted.

danvon:
I think you've never watched Batman

Batman is a law enforcement officer who fights to defend his city from it's high crime rate he annoyingly doesn't believe in killing them

Oh. I'll become a law enforcement officer then. I can fight 'crime' on here. Does he do it by drinking the criminal's blood? I might have to try really hard not to kill anyone!

danvon:
Batman is not a bat

Really? Lol! And there's me all awake trying hard through the night like a bat! Damn!

danvon:
I'm used to this your nature already let's forget the worship part

If Jesus is wonderful you'll act like him

Even people who read storybook try to emulate a character they like

Lenin read Communist manifesto he loved it he tried to put the 10 plancks into practice (he succeeded)

Some Muslims read Qur'an they don't worship Mohammed yes but they do exactly what he commanded

People watch television they try to be their favorite character

One way or another the human mind can't separate fiction from non fiction

If you believe Jesus is a great guy you would believe God exist otherwise he was just another stupid crazy religious theist preaching about an invisible sky daddy

True talk. Batman is wonderful so I'm becoming a bat?

Eggcelent:
Interesting. Maybe Even Needful

However, It Is Not Necessarily Going To Achieve Stated Desired Results Cos Level Of Education Doesn't Change How Greedy One Get To Be

The Populace Should Rather Be Educated & Empowered So They Are In A Position To Make Informed Decisions On Their Own Rather Than Having Someone Pull Wool Over Their Eyes In Name Of Religion

There's a better solution. Kick religion out of schools!

Fegelfire:
President Paul Kagame Closes Down 6000 Churches, All Pastors Required to Hold Degree in Theology Before they Can Practice


Imagine passing this law in Nigeria. Every pastor alive dey screaming

cc lalasticlala

Can't be done in Nigeria! First, Kagame rules as
a dictator, which Nigerian constitution does not allow. Second, before you know it, Nigerians will scream that he wants to islamasise the country, "Imams nko".

budaatum:
We had a discussion on here where KingEbukasBlog and some others argued that all educating is indoctrination, and I use the word in the sense they proposed. If I find the thread I will post a link.

Eureka! I found it kovah .

butterflyl1on:
ANYTHING TAUGHT IS INDOCTRINATION BE IT DOCTRINE, DOCUMENTS. ACADEMIA, ETC.

I disagree of course, to "teach", in no way means to "indoctrinate", but I have been using the word 'indoctrinate' as they implied. As in, each parent does as they know how to do, and only the most irresponsible parent would not do either.

Click on the quoted for thread.

vaxx:
i understand you bro. i only wish her decision can be respected.

But it is respected. Do I have to pay for it too!?

Funny though, we were talking about it this afternoon. A friend of ours died and had asked that his ashes be scattered on a mountain in Scotland. After the family liquidated and shared everything he left behind, they buggered off back to Canada and left his ashes for us his friends to do as we wished. They hardly visited him while he lived and cared not after he died!

kovah:
I have read parts of d Koran...Yes I am a Jesus person...I also know I am not d smartest person in any room I enter.... Neither am I d dumbest...But I understand dat d dumbest can teach d smartest person...My child could b d smartest person and me d dumbest...So should I make my child dumb cos I am dumb?

I agree. And if what I shoved down my child's throat was religious indoctrination, I must burn in hell for making my child dumb like me. But I am lucky. My own 'indoctrination' was the sort whereby I was given the information to make up my own mind and that's the indoctrination I will give to my child. But let us not delude ourselves that if I were a Jesus person, I would allow my child to be indoctrinated into Islam. Its my child, and like everyone with regards to their child, I will not let my apple fall too far from me the tree.

kovah:
So even if a child wants to learn more abt a religion u know little or nothing abt...He or she is limited in knowledge.....Dats a very good schooling system.....

My parents were wishy washy Christians (well, somewhat, when they had me), and though I was baptised, they never shoved religion down my throat, partly because they were too busy working, and mostly because of their wishy washy Christianity. Tomorrow though, Thursday, my ma will go to Bible Study and ask questions like "How can Mary born Jesus without sleeping with Joseph?", and return and say " buda, you must accept Christ into your life!"

Education where I grew up was as I described though, so you can see how I might turn out as I have opinion wise. And since I think it is so good, why would I not ensure my child reasons as I do? If I were a Jesus person, is it not also my duty to make sure my child goes to the same heaven I will be going to? In fact, how can I believe I will go to heaven if I allow my child to think and believe things that will take it to hell?

kovah:
You kid yourself dat it has reduced....or the religious upset towards Muslims....was reduced..After 9 11..

Oh, it significantly has. Said Khan, a Muslim, would never have been elected as Mayor of the whole of London prior to 9/11.

kovah:
And the protest dat BLACK LIVES MATTER was very reduced.....

Temper that with Barack Obama, a black President of America. Doesn't that say something?

The equivalent in UK would be our riots and all. We even have political parties that promote bigotry, the English Defence League, British National Party, UK Independence Party, but go check how badly they do in the polls.

kovah:
good for you

Thank you. If I wanted to elevate myself, I will claim I am educating my child, but we had a discussion on here where KingEbukasBlog and some others argued that all educating is indoctrination, and I use the word in the sense they proposed. If I find the thread I will post a link.

kovah:
ur chaff is someone's food

Oh, I know that. And that's why it is my duty to feed my child what I call my wheat and not what some other person calls food. They can feed my chaff or their own chaff to their own child if they want to!

vaxx:
hilarious, but you can open a saving account on your mom interest, there is a system here , where you pay a token monthly and when you die, the company finance the general burial if you do not like the church type.

Do you know how much it costs to ship a dead body from UK to Nigeria? It's not that I don't have the money though. We come from a family that gives to help others. Can you imagine how much school fees I can use that money to pay for? I tell you, her sentiments about her dead body amuses me. She never brought her children up to be so inconsiderately wasteful.

kevoh:
1. Yes, they do. Didn't have to make it graphic though with the 'dead burnt human flesh' cremation sounds way better na.

2. It is basically compressing carbon into diamonds. If they can get the required carbon content from the burnt dog/pig then why not.

3. I will answer this question in reverse. You can pay as high as $16000 for the service. The higher the amount the more the quality of the diamond.

I often wonder why I, buda, is always so stupid. If I could understand that people would believe this sort of stuff, I too would set up business converting dead human flesh into high quality diamonds at a tidy profit at the prices you propose. It's not as if you can check the dna of the diamond and know it came from dead flesh after all.

Carbon content, lol!

FeelDeMusic:
You're right, I heard about this process once on The Big Bang Theory. It's pretty cool! And yeah no need to be graphic hahahaha.

Big Bang Theory? That programme with the canned laughter?

https://static.next-episode.net/tv-shows-images/huge/the-big-bang-theory.jpg

I will personally come over where you are and big bang your head!

vaxx:
interesting, and i am also glad to know you are a donor card carrier. people actually do not have reasons not to donate only excuses. after all the body will be destroy at the long run in the ground, so is it not better to make it useful for the living?

Hmm. I can't make that decision for others o. Some might prefer their remains to be fed to termites. My ma, for instance, wants her remains flown to her hometown, the Orolu Kingdon, as she doesn't want her dead body buried in the cold in London feeding termites. I've told her she better leave enough money for it as I refuse to waste mine.

And my dad, who lived in the Orolu Kingdom wanted to be cremated, but I told him people might say, "buda could not afford to buy cow to bury his father so he cooked his father's dead body and called people to come and eat!". We buried him.

kovah:
nothing is forced down any child's throat ...It's a life choice if ur child welcomes homosexuality or Christianity... It's dat child's decision...You can go to d school and challenge whoever is doing dat...But u r just limiting dat child's choices in life perception... Making u d one forcing ur own perception of reality on dat child...Let ur child hear ur ideas and others and understand his or her own reality

This too was DeLioncourt 's opinion, that I should introduce all views to my child instead of shoving my own crap down it's throat. I think he thought I intended to shove 'Jesus' down my child's throat. You may read the convo here.

Now, be honest, and I assume you are a Jesus person as opposed to a Muhammedan. Have you ever been to a Mosque, read a Quran or studied Islam? Were you given all the information and told to make up your own mind? Will you introduce your child to the Quran, take it to a Mosque or teach it Islam and tell it to make up its own mind? Would you go much further and 'teach' your child about other religions too and ask it to make up its own mind? Were you not indoctrinated into your current worldview? Would you also not shove your own worldview down your child's throat?

By the way, the law where I live does not allow religious indoctrination in schools anymore. Students are taught about all religions and ideas of gods etc in religious studies as part of the curriculum even in religious schools, and any school seen not to do so will be heavily sanctioned and eventually closed down if they do not desist. The consequence is that the veil religion uses to invoke belief has been removed, thank gott! The increase in knowledge about other religions is on the whole why religious bigotry has reduced significantly in the country. We also teach about personal choices and differences and family has been redefined so children do not find it strange that Billy has two mummies or Jane has two daddies. And we teach that it doesn't matter if you're black or white, we all bleed red blood, and the consequence is that racism has significantly been reduced. And just so you know, I approve of how we educate our children in the society I live in. It is how I was educated and I like me very much for it.

It is my opinion that it is irresponsible for a parent to allow others to fill their child's head with stupid ideas, and if anyone is going to fill my child's head with stupid, I got enough stupid (which in my case, but obviously not everyone else's, will be equipping it with the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff, and not just telling it "this is the wheat, and this is the chaff" ), of my own thank you! You sir are very welcome to allow others to fill your child's head for you!

vaxx:
hi budaa, so you are going to follow suit. what about submitting the total remains of you underground so as to nourished and served as fertilizer to the soil. your remains too can also benefit humanity thru agriculture or a good delicacy for termites and the rest.

I carry a donor card and have done for decades. They are proposing to cancel them where I live and introduce an opt out system instead. If you don't want your bits donated, you have to opt out or you automatically are harvested for whatever is useful after one dies.

While providing food for termites, which themselves serve a very important purpose in their own right, may be a worthy end use of my remains, I am of the opinion that my liver, kidney, heart, eyes and every other bit of me that a use can be found for, would be better utilised in prolonging someone else's life than food for termites. It might help give life to someone else.

Horus:
Christian character of the Ku Klux Klan

Wasn't Christianity supposed to be a message of love and peace? Those who hold the most vile racial ideas in America
are also among the most devout Christian believers.

So, let me name a few and you tell me if they are KKK or "Those who hold the most vile racial ideas in America".

1. Martin Luther King Jr

Christian believers, help me please.

kevoh:
I will prefer the type where my remains are cremated and then turned into a beautiful precious diamond which my family can keep. There are some companies offering such services at about $3000 I think.

They convert dead burnt human flesh into beautiful precious diamond? Can they do dogs too, and pigs? Is the 'diamond' worth more than the $3000?

Please send me a link so I can ask them!

hopefulLandlord:
Why not two at the same time mr Vaxx?

I donate my vital organs after death and the other "remains" are cremated

I'll have me some of that too please.