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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 3:51pm On Apr 30, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry.
I must admit to skimming through the interactions between you and AnonyNymous
and seeing fish randomly being mentioned here and there

What I wrote about Barbara in relation to what I quoted, was showing that animals, just like humans can show undying loyalty
I've seen animals being vindictive too
An elephant slapped a middle aged man with its trunk
Apparently when the middle aged man and the elephant were both much younger,
he used to make ugly faces and sticking tongue out at the elephant
The elephant never forgot, and years later in a circus remembered, then karma paid a visit

I understand, and I do it too. Isn't it amazing how animals can be so like humans. You should watch chimpanzees showing empathy and being vindictive too, its amazing.

I am glad for Sir Attenborough really. You should see the awe with which such programs I take back home are watched. I project them on the wall so them seem large too. I just wish we had such telly more often back home.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 1:41pm On Apr 30, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe it's Monday blues
I am not understanding "...agents never saw Barbara like fish..."

I did wonder how what you wrote about Barbara related to what you quoted. You would have seen the reference to fish and right through from the beginning of the thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 12:43pm On Apr 30, 2018

Those secret service agents never saw Barbara like fish. They might have treated her differently!

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/BarBush.jpg[/img]
Secret Service agents who served Barbara Bush for decades and who she treated like "family" refuse to leave her coffin
The agents swapped around and took turns watching over her casket.

Animals like dogs too are known to show loyalty until the end like this
and refusing to leave their owner/companion's dead body or coffin

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist John Steinruken - "Why Christianity Is Great" by budaatum: 12:40pm On Apr 30, 2018

winner01:
I'd like you to open a thread highlighting the contributions of any religion of choice to western development, like I did here. Many people will learn from it too.

Where does one start? With the immense contributions of paganism, those of Islam, or those of atheists or Christians? Unless one wishes to raise one ideology above others, one would understand that they are all human influences in the end.

But I will consider.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 2:01am On Apr 30, 2018

This, is the sort of brain washing by the rewriting of history that you spoke of. There are very many parts of the world including Africa, that did not have to wait for Yahwehism to give them equal rights and responsibilities.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist John Steinruken - "Why Christianity Is Great" by budaatum: 1:09am On Apr 30, 2018

What op is actually extolling applies to all religions actually. Their purpose is after all to promote social cohesion. Pity he is only aware of the religion around him that he has experience of.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist John Steinruken - "Why Christianity Is Great" by budaatum: 1:05am On Apr 30, 2018

winner01:
Similarly, atheist philosopher Michael Ruse believes that “it is just plain silly and grotesquely immoral to claim that Christianity is simply a force for evil, as Richard Dawkins claims… ”

It is utter ridiculous and ignorant to claim Christianity is a force for evil. It is even more ridiculous and absurd for an atheist to claim gods are evil (though I haven't heard it said as such).

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 12:41am On Apr 30, 2018

kovah:
I never said u were less intelligent or even more intelligent than them.....I am talking about misconceptions....I apologise if it came across as insulting

I got tetchy and put you in crossfire when I took a shot at someone else. I apologise too.

P.s. I told you how nice you are to me, didn't I, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 8:10pm On Apr 29, 2018

Please note, I have not claimed Europeans or westerner are intellectually superior to anyone. I live amongst them and have come across some very stupid people just as I have amongst black people and Nigerians! If I weren't intellectually more able than some of them, I and many others could not be in positions whereby we boss them around and get paid more than some of them for doing so!

I will take your admission that our progress was cut short as in, if it wasn't we might, or would, have progressed much further than they had. Facts for what prevailed are there for anyone curious enough to check.

kovah:
a cure dat ensured ur survival before d Western intervention...No doubt dat d rest of the world seems more advanced than Africa most of our knowledge as of now comes from them to even understanding ourselves dat not withstanding...Only a very few Westerners would admit dat Africans are a unique brand of humans... Physically Intellectually equal to the rest of d world... Reading a book or two is helpful...Not saying u don't read....But it wld b a self serving nature dat would make me think dat in all generations of Africans dat have been on dis earth dat there were not intelligent ones..Dat found ways in politics sciences religious partices and other forms of enlightenment...Considering dat I am who I am now...Means dat there were people like me...If there were people like me then...One or two may have some ideas in some aspect of life is all I am saying...We had our development cut short because d smartest person in d room believed we were d dumbest...But have u ever thought dat our dumbness may b d smartest...

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 3:57pm On Apr 29, 2018

kovah:
I don't just read a book or two or three to have a vision of d world before my exsistance...Or take d Victor's account on history... the west is so advance on d back of exploitations....Even their own history acknowledges dat....Now the exploitations have taken a new twist... Intellectual harvesting....

I am sure you could not have read only one book, but to claim I have not read any at all, or was repeating what I was told, is rather demeaning, don't you think?

And one does not only have to read the history of it but sociological development too. Take the relationship to gods, for instance. Start with the gods of Europe, and how the Europeans evolved their ideas of the gods over time. First they had many gods who intervened in everything, including the wind and individual peoples' fate. But gradually, they realised these gods of things were so absurd that they abandoned them all for one superior god who intervened in the wind and individual fate. 1800 years later, here they are abandoning that one god and becoming atheists. Now consider where we are on the god evolution scale. Atheism is only just now raising its head in Nigeria, and I reckon we would be bowing our heads to those gods for another hundred or so years. By then, the Europeans would most likely have built heaven itself!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 3:22pm On Apr 29, 2018

kovah:
Human scarification and cannibalism were all world related issue not just Africa or Nigeria in particular... Those practices were done by d Westerners too

Like I said, about 1500 years before us!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 3:21pm On Apr 29, 2018

kovah:
Now imagination a cure or preventive method dat preserved a people from Extinction...No backward people could come up with such knowledge...Now imagination dat cure or preventive method advancing with time..

Why should I imagine it? Is it not real? What cure or preventive medicine was that please?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 3:17pm On Apr 29, 2018

The oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world is the University of Karueein, founded in 859 AD in Fez, Morocco. The University of Bologna, Italy, was founded in 1088 and is the oldest one in Europe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 1:10pm On Apr 29, 2018

kovah:
vaxx IS NO historian...but he found out all that....Some I didn't even know about....D west was built on d backbone of Africa through exploitations... Check Western history and d simple reason is this...They gave u a comb not as a gift but as a trade...It's still happening today.... Blood diamonds ask urself y...No refineries in one of d largest oil producing nation...Ask urself y...The taxes u pay by being there is their major source of income.... they have no product base except "the comb"... It's made by us and so superior...Look for the book how the west underdeveloped Africa...I think dats d title...It's sad dat most Africans share ur veiws...And don't ask y educated Westerners are in Africa and not their land flowing with milk and honey...In spite of our diseases and instability..Like I said before ur reality shouldn't b based on what someone else has told u is real but looking at all d available information and judging for urself wat is real...I am not saying Nigeria but Africa...Or d UK but Westerners as oppose to Easterners

So, someone must have told it to me? I guess you are right, after all someone did write the books I read on the topic. Regardless, one still has to make up ones own mind after reading numerous books on both sides of a subject. Or are you suggesting one read one book and run with it?

Not all Africans share my view, and it is not the case that the west was more developed than everywhere in Africa at all times. There were some parts of Africa i.e. Egypt, that were very advanced in their day. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the area known as Nigeria was ever one of them. There are no significant historical artifacts showing development of the type found in the west, or Egypt, for that matter, and we still have not dug any to rewrite our history to show such claimed past prowess. Note how vaxx did not even bother mentioning the Oyo Empire in his list of African empires!

Vaxx claims there was no significant wars or slavery prior to the arrival of invaders. What he does know and does not mention was that there actually were wars, and for the express purpose of acquiring land, slaves and for sacrifices to the gods, for I am certain he knows that Ogun and Sango required human sacrifices though you would find it hard to find it in the records. As hard as finding evidence of human sacrifices in Europe I dare mention, though there is about 1500 years between when it happened in either.

Anyway, it is a very emotive topic, and most will take sides. However, the evidence is out there that the area today known today as Nigeria has not got a lot to claim we were ever more advanced than the western world, to my greatest disappointment.

I just hope our great days are ahead of us.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 1:26am On Apr 29, 2018

Hati13:
budaatum,

Ethiopia for example had kept her history in written form using her own script known Geez and foreign also from 1st millennium BC onwards. Geez is an old Semitic language on the same level as Latin when it comes to importance. The Armenian script was driven from Geez. We still use Geez (Ethiopic) for our language like Amharic, Tigrinya, etc......

North Sudan and Egypt had also recorded their history in written form from very ancient period onwards.

Thanks for your input Hati13. Egypt, which is in Africa, at one point was way more advanced than the whole of Europe. Writing was done there long before the Europeans formed script, and the societies were way more developed. Ordinary Timbuktu in the 12th century had a place of learning comparable to any place of learning in existence in Europe. It was a depository for thousands of books and thousands of people went there to study and learn.

Nowhere in the area known as Nigeria today had anything comparable to any of these is my point, and not that the entire Africa was less advanced than Europe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 1:16am On Apr 29, 2018

kovah:
hmmmm interesting...All d ideal u admire in d west or wat they still strive 4 is evident in ur post...

And I wish my admiration were misplaced, but I cannot claim that to be the case considering my personal experience in both places.

Ordinary illnesses are ravaging our nation but who is spending billions trying to eradicate those illnesses? Westerners! And what are we doing? Praying! Do you know there are more Nigerian doctors practising outside Nigeria than remain in Nigeria? Come to UK to see where they would rather work. Not one single person would chose Nigerian healthcare over what prevails in Europe. Most would also choose to go outside Nigeria to study if they had the means. Go to any airport in Nigeria to witness the direction Nigerians would rather travel. Europe. Ask them why, and they'd tell you. Check the flow of money, and you'd see where ordinary folks send theirs. Nigeria. And not the other way round unless you stole it and were looking for a place to hide it, or were buying the superior commodities one can't get in Nigeria.

But that's all today, I guess. I've said what the past was like, and vaxx has detailed an opposing view. If we had been superior, our influences would have dominated the western world, but that does not seem to be the case, unfortunately, and only a smattering of our stuff seems to have travelled outside our nation, unless one considered our people, and our financial wealth, which just further increase our poverty more than anything else.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 12:52am On Apr 29, 2018

[quote author=vaxx post=67114886][/quote]You are free to believe what you wish to believe. We are talking about the entire area known today as Nigeria, and is it not being suggested that we had nothing before colonisation, but that at the time of the clash, there were many ways in which the west was far ahead of us, and are still way ahead of us today.

One thing to consider is that no underdeveloped nation has ever conquered a more developed one. The fact remains that they sent a small number of people to our land and were able to over run us and impose their ways on us, which indeed includes rewriting our history, and which alone shows how mightier than us they must have been. If we were able, we would have kicked them out, but we didn't, eventually couldn't, and can't now. Wake up early enough on Sunday and watch people go to worship at the temples built to honour the gods they imposed on us!

As to the way forward, Nigeria is a sovereign country ruled by Nigerians, and it is rather disingenuous to keep claiming the west is responsible for how we are today, as we have had enough time to take our destiny into our own hands despite the fact that western influence is woven into our current ideological dna. We live in an interconnected world and just have to make the most of it as quite a lot of other nations that were colonised have done.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism. God Does Not Exist. by budaatum: 4:34pm On Apr 28, 2018

Kovah, I am unfortunately pivoted on the side of western superiority over Nigeria, a side most Nigerians would shirk from holding because it would seem like denigrating my own. Unfortunately, sentiment aside, history is there to observe who had the advantage. It would depend which periods one is considering, of course, for a like for like comparison.

One indicator is history. The more developed a nation was in the past, the more historical records there are showing that development. Go and search for written history about Africa, and you'd find we hardly kept any. How could we have been as developed as nations that kept more detailed and older historical records?

Writing, another indicator, was non-existent in Nigeria until the arrival of Islam and Arabic. It is why our alphabet had to be created by westerners, and along western lines.

Now consider art. Western art had advanced way further than art had in Nigeria by the 1500s, and even our Nok art, which could be called sculptures, had been significantly superseded by the time we were making that art. The reason the Westerner stole ours was not because it was superior, but because, in their opinion, we had never been able to produce such things, and because they were in a superior position so as to steal it without us being able to do anything about it!

Religion, is another indicator of social advancement . Our religions, by the time the westerners arrived, were disjointed, and in Yorubaland, even the worship of the same gods was not universal across neighbouring societies. What Ogun and Sango requested of it's adherents in one community was not necessarily what Ogun and Sango requested in a neighbouring community, whereas, by about 1000AD, Yahweh, was pretty much supreme in most of Western Europe. They had abandoned the equivalent archaic gods of Zeus and Aphrodite, to name a couple, years before and long after some still clung on to Ogun and Sango and still do in current Nigeria! It is Yahweh's superiority that has overwhelmed our gods and turned them into what most refer to as demons today, sadly. If our gods had united and united us, Yahweh would have easily been repelled.

And in case you do not know, Islam had been invading western Nigeria long before the arrival of the westerner. Some have claimed that trans-sahara slavery, a consequence of those invasions, resulted in more people enslaved than those enslaved in the trans-atlantic slave trade!

Then look at philosophy. While Egypt, an African nation, was very well advanced in this by the beginning of the first millennium, albeit couched behind the veil of the gods Osiris et al, Europe was having much more involved discourse about philosophical ideas while Nigeria wasn't.

Now fast forward to the 16th Century. The Western European was travelling the world in very large vessels and covering distances we never imagined existed. They were using ideas and technology we knew nothing of and were able to exploit the void in our knowledge. While they were staring at the moon and planets and writing thesis about them, we were afraid to enter the forests in our backyards least gbomogbomo takes us away and sell us as slaves.

Then consider today. Yes, they impose their ideas and technology on us, but it must be noted that they do not exactly have to over exert themselves for us to accept it. And our acceptance is not out of ignorance but out of acknowledgment of the superiority of what they produce compared to what we produce. Or who amongst us would chose to purchase a made in Nigeria car or phone if they can afford a second hand western made and already used to death one? Do we even make any of these things? Even our said cars are run on imported petrol, and in a country that is amongst the top ten producers of the raw product from which that petrol is made!

And for your information, oil was first discovered at the Oloibiri Oilfield on Sunday 15 January 1956 by Shell Darcy after a lot of exploration by many other western companies. The westerners did let you go after it was discovered though as you wrongly claim, and, they kept their grubby fingers on that oil until we kicked them out with various Indigenisation Bills starting in the early 70s.

I mention all this because of the consequence of not realising as a nation, how far we have developed compared to other nations. Japan, the Land of the Rising Sun, too thought they were superior until the might of the west showed them they weren't, which propelled them to do something about it. China, the most populous nation on earth, realised how far backward they had gotten, and have done a great leap forward to rectify the situation. The Arab world took one look at the objective reality, and while they claim Allah is superior, they accept that a thatched hut in the desert can not be said to be superior to the magnificent stone buildings built in the west. They have been doing quite a lot to rectify the situation . But we Nigerians imagine a glorious past where we were superior and so do nothing to move us forward, while the reality is that we recede further backward compared to the more developing nations.

While the West base their progress on objective reality and build institutions of technology, we seem to think miracles would prevail and build temples in which to pray to gods we create with our imaginations, an ideology the west abandoned centuries ago when they realised it was taking them into darkness which we are in now!

There is a consequence to building up subjective imaginary realities in our heads and refusing to face the objective facts, and it's like believing one can survive in a room that the oxygen has been sucked out of! I think we agreed what the end of that folly is.

kovah:
all wrong...We were farmers and fishermen and no counting system ...Wrong...We had d NOK art and Benin bronze day was stolen by d west if they had better Artisans y bother with yours... Religious freedom of worship didn't put d northern Nigeria and southern Nigeria in a historical conflict...The Westerners did dat cause d northern region had adapted Islam...So wrong again...They were not better than us... Historical evidence proves dat...They saw a people to b exploited...So here we are....If they had seen d oil ... they wouldn't have given us independent...We were a business venture for them...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is KingEbukasblog? by budaatum: 1:19pm On Apr 28, 2018

GoodMuyis:
I saw him with new moniker and new blog with ebuka***.com. ng

I too saw ebuka*** but could not tell if it were him. Figured he'd show up eventually, once he's wiped the egg off his face.

Christianity Etc › Re: Odin Of Asgard: Making A Case For Almighty God by budaatum: 1:17pm On Apr 28, 2018

Read this after my response. Thanks.

Image123:
Errrrrrrmmmmmmm, thank you for your grace and mercy.
Now, I corrected the atheist by reminding him that animals were dying, so Adam and Eve had an idea what death was. At least you would surely agree that plants were dying or is there still some twist to this?
i don't know how easy you find it to use a one verse prophecy still very future to ESTABLISH something that happened already. It beats the imagination, and I'm tempted to hope on it.
Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever stop then?
Of course, pretty much everything will stop when the world comes to an end. But if you are asking if I will eat fried chicken at the millennial reign of Christ, surely I will. We'll do activation when we want to play, we'll do normal at dinner. okay?
While i may sound joking/trivial, I'm actually saying the truth. It's trivial because it's not major or critical in matters of salvation, destination or eternity. Not too excited about time wasting, long winding chatter over nothing with "the player". But if you really think cockroaches, flies, chickens and worms were not dying until Adam malfunctioned, sorry I don't see it that way. i think they were dying and Adam himself would have died except he ate of the tree of life.

Christianity Etc › Re: Odin Of Asgard: Making A Case For Almighty God by budaatum: 1:15pm On Apr 28, 2018

Image123:
Nothing for you to be sorry about, it's a forum. The very fact that man was given dominion and right to subdue is clear indication man could do as he pleased with them as regards feeding. The context of the passage was feeding and the next verse is clear on that.
If one understands the death spoken of as regards FTKGE, it makes good sense.

In order not to deal with what could at best be a contradiction, that perhaps humans always killed animals and ate meat, the bible gets twisted.

I read the relevant verse. One is free to stretch one's imagination and twist it as one likes - believers do that all the time - but nowhere is it inferred that anything died or was killed in the Garden of Eden, or that Adam and Eve ate the meat off animals.

In fact, lions (assuming they existed in the garden, and that Isaiah was yearning for some lost past) did not kill to eat, as the phrase 'the leopard lay down with the goat and the calf, and the lion and the yearling together were led by a little child' (assuming too that even bearing children would have eventually come to exist!).

Christianity Etc › Re: I've Never Seen A Breed Of Christians As Hateful As Those On Nairaland!! by budaatum: 8:25am On Apr 28, 2018

Several times a day, actually.

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is KingEbukasblog? by budaatum: 12:22am On Apr 28, 2018

I've been wondering too. He and Sciencewatch disappeared about the same time. Hope nothing bad has happened to them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by budaatum: 12:15am On Apr 28, 2018*

kovah:
So science as of now is subjective to human survival...So in a way baise....Dat said it is not impossible dat science can b used objectively with d human factor involved

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: 95 Reasons Why The Genesis Flood Was Global by budaatum: 12:11am On Apr 28, 2018

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Masturbation Be Made Illegal? by budaatum: 12:00am On Apr 28, 2018

vaxx:
then you are not abreast with the news, allegations was raised against bill Clinton sexual immorality in which he FORMERLY denied, since that will bring shame to the white house and likewise he would be disqualify for any public office . Bill Clinton’s behavior with Monica Lewinsky is an abuse of power, even if it was consensual. ''AMERICANS AGREE'' currently there is a current usa senator(ROY MOORE ) in such a mess now and the case is still yet to be resolved. even Donald trump will have been a culprit assuming the allegations levied against him were during his current presidency and not before. AMERICANS WERE ABLE TO TAMPER JUSTICE WITH MERCY, HE WAS NOT CONVICTED OF PERJURY AFTER HE ADMITTED.

Just about everything you claimed here is untrue!

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Masturbation Be Made Illegal? by budaatum: 11:54pm On Apr 27, 2018

vaxx:
budaatum. this is the quote

That was said about the case being dealt with in court and had nothing to do with his impeachment which was dealt with by the House of Representatives and the House of Senate, and which was for perjury and obstruction of justice.

You could just have admitted your error when AnonyNymous corrected you!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Odin Of Asgard: Making A Case For Almighty God by budaatum: 9:18pm On Apr 27, 2018

Image123:
It's a most ridiculous thing to suggest that Adam's fall led to carnivores and omnivores. The food chain has been long set from the foundation of the world. It's innate, all the body parts show it. It was not a diversion or improvisation.
When did God command Abel to kill animals?

I'm sorry, but I too have an interest in the question you were asked as there is nothing to indicate that Adam and Eve ate animals, and way much more to the contrary.

Your above though points down another trail. If it is "a most ridiculous thing to suggest that Adam's fall led to carnivores and omnivores", isn't it even more ridiculous to claim eating the FTKGE introduced death into the world, or sin? (I know this is not a claim you are making, so ignore it while you deal with your more substantial claim, if you may.)

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Masturbation Be Made Illegal? by budaatum: 9:01pm On Apr 27, 2018

vaxx:
my point was not about what impeached bill Clinton, my point was about how the sexual allegation almost run his carrier, this is what the Federal judge Susan Webber Wright wrote the following about his citation when he lied

"Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false...."

The argument was that the crime was too minor to impeach and convict a president. The Democrats said that despite Clinton having made low crimes, seen with perjury, he should not be convicted as the Constitution said that a president may only be convicted of high crimes, treason and bribery, which according to the Democrats in the House and Senate, he has not done. which was the reasons i says justice was tamper with mercy.

Federal judge Susan Webber Wright was not dealing with Clinton's impeachment or his sexual morality. The he word "false" used twice in your quote was about his telling lies, and not about what he did with Monica!

"In April 1999, about two months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was cited by Federal District Judge Susan Webber Wright for civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit."

And no justice was tempered with any mercy. The senate simply played party politics and could not get the two thirds (67 votes) required to impeach him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Masturbation Be Made Illegal? by budaatum: 6:46pm On Apr 27, 2018

vaxx:
then you are not abreast with.... ....

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated in December 1998 by the House of Representatives and led to a trial in the Senate for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.

On the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).
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Christianity Etc › Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by budaatum: 5:53pm On Apr 27, 2018

kovah:
I didn't say don't bother I said it's not possible not impossible...I stated d way I see things dats all

I know you are stating the way you see things, but you are stating them for others to hear it and so you would be engaged, which is what I am doing. It is how one gains understanding. So.

"Not possible", but "not impossible"? You will have to explain that to me. Mathematical logic makes both phrases mean 'possible', and 'impossible'. Is there a typo there somewhere?

Christianity Etc › Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by budaatum: 9:04am On Apr 27, 2018

kovah:
making sense of our realities in d scientific way and hoping it will not b subjective to our reality is not possible

So let's not even bother trying and do the exact opposite as op has done, right? I don't share this view, sorry. It is the justification of mediocrity and intellectual laziness!

And it is possible. Proper scientists, and honest people do it all the time.

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