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Christianity Etc › Re: Advice Needed, I Fly A Lot In Dream by budaatum: 1:08pm On May 07, 2018

Holluwaphlexy:
To me the dream might just be a message to you since you said the boy you carried is happy flying with you and you weren't. In discomfort carrying the boy then to me ooo i mean from my own point of view it means you are destined to lift someone up and flying high also means u will be great...
wetyn i know sef��

Quite a lot actually. The little boy is you op, soaring in greatness by the effort you put in. Fear catch so effort used is to stop rising instead learn to fly even higher and fear no fall.

Dream the dream to conclusion come tell.

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Christianity Etc › Buda Atum Does A Frank317 by budaatum(op): 12:56pm On May 07, 2018

Sis through door,
Knives snip snap
Later said,
Frown me!

Sis kht!
"Show me! Don't make head tell me, 'So'!"

Sis Birthday, happy, Anas09.

About "you don't read what buda write!"

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Hateful Language Of Atheism And Its Possible Effects On Society. by budaatum: 11:03am On May 07, 2018*

winner01:
But I provided proof of my submissions and gave scientific proof that anger can have an Influence on human health.

You gave an opinion at best, your view. There was nothing scientific about what you said, winner.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 10:45pm On May 06, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
What?!
If I should pluck out a gif now, budaatum will fly off the handle and begin to get his knickers in a twist

Even I know I have to waive my right to object where certain individuals are concerned!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 7:23pm On May 06, 2018

There you go muttley, she don't read my posts so I can say whaefa I want!

She respects those who deserve it though!

Anas09:
Brother, even if he mentions me full, i won't respond to him. i don't read his posts, so i don't react. He has been following me about in threads with insults hoping i'll engage him in an e-fight. What he doesn't know is, Analicendum107 is dead. She died with that Moniker. This one here is a different character. If i was still Analice, by now he'd looking for a place to hide and cry. But, no. I asked the Lord, to cut off my tongue and I must allow Him do His work in me.

Besides, i no dey carry my strong head go near man. If small boy near me, i fit spit fire for him eyes, but not a man. And he said he is an OmoBashuron, so for that i give him my respect whether he deserves it or not.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 7:15pm On May 06, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
PS: so not to attract Anas09's observation, you turned to and adopted an "an as 09" type comment.
Spacing out the characters in her moniker, to avoid her detecting being mentioned.

Someone gave me an appropriate response to this, here goes:

MuttleyLaff:
"ki ise gbogbo nkan ti oju ri, ni ẹnu nsọ"

And I shan't bother translating.

Besides, anas09 does not read what I write so I can use all her monickers, go to the top of the highest buildings, scream them out and add that I love her too really, and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference!

Hopefully, you can try to come up with another reason for my spelling it the way I did in that post if you cared!

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 1:01pm On May 06, 2018

This silly gif of yours pisses me off something chronic Muttley, and I wish you would stop with it already.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]hps://gifyu.com/images/ShakeHeadHeDontGetIt2.gif[/img]

However, in this case, damn spot on to cover ones face in shame as you did here for this an as 09 type comment. So thumbs up!

Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:42pm On May 06, 2018

winner01:
The op is about objective morality not what people think is right or wrong.

Yet, I never got a response to the following!

budaatum:
Though in saying that, perhaps you need to explain what you mean by 'objective morality' please.

Is there a thread where you explained it please?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:29pm On May 06, 2018

winner01:
Nice submission but you misunderstand the whole point. I've find LGBT and other sexual orientations weird even before I became a christian, and I still do.

I'm not outrightly outlawing homosexuality, I'm simply opining that a case can also be made for almost every "sexual orientation".

If we have a dialogue, and the arguments for bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia etc exceeds the argument against them, does that make them natural, right, acceptable or just legal?. You seem not to think everything can be argued for.

You don't know what I think winner, so please stop going beyond what you know. You know how I so much dislike people making up things in their heads without evidence though. It is the devil attempting to take control and one allowing it!

So, to the core of your position, "if we have a dialogue, and the arguments for bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia etc exceeds the argument against ......".

Natural, by the way, is not the proper word to use here. 'Normative' rather, as in does it become the norm.

If one can convince sensible individuals in a society that sleeping with animals is ok, or that sleeping with young children is acceptable or sleeping with dead bodies is normal, then Yes, it may become socially acceptable (the norm) to do so in that society. However, other societies might frown at your acceptance of such acts and place sanctions on you for starts and refuse to trade with you or let you visit their society! Let me know if you'd like that, and how long you'd survive before you change your societal mind or starve to death!

But, I suppose my argument for convincing a sensible person like you would have to be very sensible, and more so than simply claiming beastophilia, paedophilia and necrophilia is the same as homosexuality and no different to same gender sex. Would my plan to convince you include removal of your brain and thinking faculty too perhaps?

The arguments being put forward for homosexuality are in no way similar to those for the philias you mention. And if you knew your history, you would know that your argument was used to impose the missionary position for years before the sexual revolution swept that unpoliceable nonsense aside!

Please note that I find that people tend to say they are not understood when what they mean is "this person's superior argument has taken the words out of my mouth and left me so speechless that I have not got the words to counter their position, damn!" I am always grateful for the compliment. And a wonderful Sunday to you too.

When you have the time and have thought of it, start a thread on the subjectivity of morality please. You do good writeups for thread starts is why I ask.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:54am On May 06, 2018*

Anas09:
Didn't read.

Oh I believe you my darling.

Goodness and mercy walks with you and yours today. That's your portion. Amen.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 3:30am On May 06, 2018

winner01:
Whether or not someone is naturally oriented to be romantically and sexually attracted to people of the same gender does not mean that it is automatically morally acceptable.

No one says it is "automatically morally acceptable". What a verily heavily weigh down phrase that is by the way.

First, there was nothing 'automatic' about the acceptable of homosexuality in societies where it has been accepted as you very well know. In countries where it is accepted, its acceptability came after very many years of the homosexual crime of sodomy for which many were jailed, regardless of whether sodomy actually occurred or not, mind. I recently posted numerous apologies proffered by numerous countries for such prosecutions, and there was quite a lot of protest against, and advocacy for, before it was deemed acceptable. They actually went through the same discourse we are going through in Nigeria, and even moreso, considering homosexuality has been going on more openly in those countries than it has amongst us.

Then there is the issue of its 'morality'. Those countries that have deemed homosexuality as acceptable have decided it is not wrong for two adults to engage in same gender sex provided they both consent. The Church of Englandheld out against it for years after the Equality Act was passed, having been giving a waiver for decades, but even they had to succumb to the immense will of their members who were finding it difficult to condemn homosexual members of their very own families. Goes to show that their view of morality does not seem to be some absolute decree that they have no choice but to obey. Or are humans made for the law, these days? That of course does not mean it is legal for anyone to jump a same gender, or different gender person, for that matter, on the street. Consent is still required or it is rape. But can you imagine how much it takes for a parent to stop loving their child John, when he brings home his boyfriend, Peter? Or dad even, when he divorces his wife of twenty something years and shacks up with his boyfriend, Bob?

Which leads to the issue of 'acceptability', and I ask, 'by whom'? Indeed you can ask two grown up adults to not have sex with one another, but if they refuse to obey you, what exactly do you do? Throw them in jail? This has been done already, and for centuries, but go read those apologies again to see where we are now! Also consider how you would police what two consenting adults do it in the privacy of their bedrooms. And then consider how such a case is dealt with in court where even the judge is a homosexual. Can you perceive any difficulty here? Add to that one's child, John, or husband and father of twenty something years. Do they stop being ones loved one because they are homosexuals? And no, one does not have to accept them, but it would not be the first time members of families have gone their own separate ways never to relate with one another again now would it.

Now I note that you claim homosexuality is similar to beastaphilia, paedophilia, and necrophilia (for which you give spurious evidence claiming some countries do not deem it legal when in fact the article you posted does not claim it is not illegal, and in fact, it is a crime to defile the dead!). All the same, the people have decided that they do not find these acts to be acceptable at all, which just goes to show the non-absolutism of laws, at least by those who have pens with which to rewrite them. Of course you may think they arbitrarily decide which is acceptable and which is not, but the objective evidence for the debates for and against is available for those concerned enough to want to consider it.

And finally, though you never mentioned it, how does all this affect the individual? I guess if I don't want to be poked by a same gender person, I can say "no thank you" , or "fuq off" even, if the poker is insistent. But what exactly is one supposed to do if two grown up people decide to be the poker and the pokee, do I, and can I, insist they mustn't? Well, that would depend where I live I suppose. I guess in Nigeria, I can call the police and have the individuals arrested, but I would be hard pressed for evidence unless I had access to where they were committing their crime in order to gather said evidence, like video recording it (though I do expect any sensible person to wonder why I'd go to such lengths! In UK however, I should not be surprised if the police arrest me for the crime of homophobia, for it is a crime to discriminate against same gender pokees in UK. In fact, if I were to refuse to employ a homosexual person and it is found that my refusal to employ them was because of what they poke, I should expect to go to prison for my bigotry just as I would if I discriminated against others because I don't like their colour or gender or race! Just goes to show how different societies make laws for themselves, don't you think? Doesn't stop me slamming my door in their face though if they ask to come in my house and sit at my table in my dinning room. And I bloody can't be arrested for any bigotry thoughts I may hold in my bigoted head, or can I?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:24am On May 06, 2018

winner01:
I mentioned the point of view of religious people and of critics?

Why did you not say its about critics?

The op is about the validity of objective morality.

'Religious critic' then.

And sorry, it is not, in my opinion, about objective morality. Though in saying that, perhaps you need to explain what you mean by 'objective morality' please.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:06am On May 06, 2018

It is about religion winner. Just go back and count how many times op mentioned a religion, a religious position, doctrine and ideology, and a supposedly god given morality!

winner01:
This is not about religion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:51pm On May 05, 2018

It's a good thing you don't read my post, Anas09, or you might see me calling you a blatant liar and a fantasist. Thankfully all our conversations on here exist in perpetuity, so its not like anyone can go back and change history. If one tried, quotes of what one wrote cannot be changed, thank Gott.

So, one correction, for I refuse to allow you to convince yourself of a lie Emmanystone! You are potty mouthed not because you disagree with me, (after all, you aren't the first to disagree with me, nor are you the most vociferous at disagreeing with me), but because you resort to very unbecoming language. And seriously, every time you do it - speak in that unmannered and uncouth way you do - an image of a you with a very full potty for a mouth comes to my mind.

You constantly attack and attempt to bully the individual when you find your position is shaky, and you just about have not an ounce of regard for yourself really not to talk of most others on here, for it is certain that you do unto others exactly as you would do to yourself, I bet.

As to starting a thread for you and I, I'm sorry, but you would note that I regard myself extremely highly so would not join you at your level really. Nor do I think you and I can converse on the level people like me operate on going by the history you and I have, or have you not noticed the very high calibre of intellect of people, be they believers in Yahweh or Allah, or non-believers, who engage with buda? It's just that currently, and on a thread I am engaging on, I can't stand and watch you exercise your unbecoming behaviour on others and sleep easy. My god would not be pleased with me for not coming to the aid of those who don't deserve the obnoxious potty like vitriol that seems to constantly spew from your mouth! That's why you got my time for now, and why I promise to keep watch when you come on a thread I am on from now on Anas09. And God help us so one of us does not burn in hell eternally! However, and after all that, if you want to have a discussion about anything, you know I'm good for it, provided its not with a potty mouthed version of you!

Do note, my dear that I am not the only one who finds you to be rather unbecoming. There is a reason you are forced to have so many monickers after all. But I guess, as we say, aja ti o ba ma sonu ki gbo fere olowo re. I guess I needn't bother translating since you will not be reading this. As if the likes of puny you can actually resist the words of I, buda atum. I Smh.

Anas09:
Don't mind Budaatum. He came claiming he was an atheist and stuff when in his village he is a demon's representative. When i called him out, from then i am a Bully and potty mouth. That is a compliment actually.

They believe they have monopoly to Bullying. Cowards.

@Budaatum, i don't read your empty posts, that's why you don't see me reacting to you. If you want us talking, open a thread for both us, besides that, I jump and pass.

Honestly, Anas09, I actually love you to bits you couldn't possibly imagine. I don't spill beans for just anyone, and I sure don't go telling every toto, dik and hairy about my trips to the heavens. You dear, got balls! That potty mouth though. Ditch it, it stinks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 5:41pm On May 05, 2018

frank317:
Ishilove is a fan...

Oh thanks. Wouldn't want to tar the innocent with potty content.

Christianity Etc › Re: . by budaatum: 4:37pm On May 05, 2018

everton4life:
thanks for answering to the thread. I plan to start up a phone sales business. The demand for phones is quite high in my area. I have the following:
- A stall to sell the phones
-Show glass
- A place where I can get the phones at a cheap price for reselling.
I just need a startup capital of 30000 which i will use to get the phones. I have 21,000 that i have been saving for a while. Beleive me, i have been tempted to spend it but i have resisted it. If i can get that 9000, i know my condition will be better.
Within three weeks I could generate 35000 profit out of which I can payback the loan and feed myself and family.

How many phones would you get for 9000? And why haven't you started with the 21000 you have?

Christianity Etc › Re: . by budaatum: 2:23pm On May 05, 2018

What business are you planning to start up?

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 1:46pm On May 05, 2018

Born2Freak:
The three of them have similar behaviours.

They all claim to be older women....christian women
They all are abusive but will claim to be holy
They all support each other in e-fights.

Yeah, I noticed. I haven't had interaction with ishilove though so can't really tell. But I know truth will out sooner or later.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 1:44pm On May 05, 2018

You are very bitter, potty mouth! You need to let Jesus into your life to help you with your bitterness.

Anas09:
Oh God. Girl look at your picture again. look at your face and see if matched your body.

You are wrinkled at 20. Very dirty skin fullnof stretch marks at this age? by the time you get to 30, you'd be totally out.

Do you mind? I can recommend a good lotion. A deeper life christian ladyl can indeed recommend a good lotion to help you clean up.

eweeee.

***ignoremoodactivated***

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 1:39pm On May 05, 2018

Born2Freak:
This stinks of ishilove.

That potty mouth does have many ids.

Is Ishilove you also Emmanystone? Are you the same person as Anas09?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 1:36pm On May 05, 2018

Anas09:
Is that why you are terrified of me?

I am indeed terrified I might get poo in my mouth if I walk around with potty mouths.

Not specifically terrified of them though.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:35am On May 05, 2018

Anas09:
I went to check you out. I don't remember you so had to check your past threads, and what did i see? Wow.

Girl. take that picture down. That's an insult to me as a lady. body like that shd be kept hidden.

You are a bully, potty mouth!

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:33am On May 05, 2018

pressplay411:
I know my purpose, do you know yours?

Yes I do. And I'm very good at fulfilling them thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 12:54am On May 05, 2018

pressplay411:
What you do to be successful in life is different from your purpose. That's dreams and aspirations, that's Work. It differs for each individual depending on your innate talent, skills and interests.

I mentioned nothing about how successful the doctor, the lawyer, road sweeper or scientist may or may not become, though you should assume they do what they do successfully and are rewarded accordingly and commensuratately.

I am talking about the specific purpose that is accomplished by them applying their so called "innate talent, skills and interests" in doing what they do - heal the sick and save the dying, fight against oppression, clean the streets to ensure filth and disease does not kill people and research into the sperm and ovum for what ever end result, and albeit successfully.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:11pm On May 04, 2018

Joshthefirst:
Without belief in God, does your life have meaning?

Yes!

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 11:11pm On May 04, 2018

Born2Freak:
Wetin you dey find for my dp?

I wonder o! You fine jare!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Hateful Language Of Atheism And Its Possible Effects On Society. by budaatum: 11:07pm On May 04, 2018

winner01:
Do you think this thread promotes discord in any way?

Yes I do, as I stated in the first post I posted on it. But its a good thing. As it provoked the opinion that I worthily expressed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 10:58pm On May 04, 2018

pressplay411:
You mistake Purpose for an individualistic concept. All spoons were created for the purpose of scooping meals.
I simply explained the purpose of man's creation according the the Bible which is the only answer to Man's purpose.

Yes, you "explained the purpose of man's creation according the the Bible which is the only answer to Man's purpose" . But might that be because that is the explanation you know?

I am saying many many people have 'purposes' even though they have not come into contact with a bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Is The Default Position? Atheism Or Theism by budaatum: 10:44pm On May 04, 2018

winner01:
True, but most times when I speak on atheism, I speak more on foreign atheism. There are also, a decent number of irreligious people in Nigeria who were born into irreligious families.

You sir are on a Nigerian forum talking about atheists. Forgive me if when you do, I feel you talk about me.

Perhaps say "foreign atheist when you mean others, and reserve atheists for those of us here in future.

winner01:
Bro, everything is taught. Directly or indirectly. Teaching a child to be rational and objective for instance is equal to teaching a child how to think. Its a level of indoctrination. Science is also taught, and reinforced over the years. I first heard about the theory of evolution in Jss1, the theory was reinforced in my mind till higher educational levels and then I began to look at the available evidence objectively.

I agree. I went further in a conversation with my good friend kovah and claimed "indoctrination is teaching", haven been shown the error of prior thinking by KingEbukasBlog.

winner01:
True, early humans were simply trying to make sense of their world, if anything, this further proves the human disposition to believe in the supernatural.

No sir, this does not prove "human disposition to believe in the supernatural" . All it shows is human will to seek explanation for their surroundings. It is the laziness of some that makes them believe without searching any further.

winner01:
As ridiculous as those claims are, we still hold some equally ridiculous beliefs today despite our advancement and education. Some people still theorize that humans eventually came by through the blind processes of slime, water, time and chance.

Sounds absurd, don't it. Tell me the difference though between that and them coming into existence through the moulding of mud and being breathed into by some super powerful almighty being!

winner01:
True, but this still does not discredit certain esoteric knowledge, nor does it disprove certain religious claims. The validity of religious claims must be argued on other grounds, some of which are historical evidence, existential relevance, archeological findings etc.

You don't believe that certain 'esoteric' knowledges should not be discredit. Or at least you don't normally act like you do or I would simply ask, what about the esoteric knowledge called atheism, then?

winner01:
You seem to opine that religious beliefs suppress development?

No I don't! Religion was early school. Some of us will still be bashing the heads of little babies against the wall if the school of Christianity had not taught us not to. And we agree it was how early understanding of things were propagated, before we went on to create school. But at some point, Pharisee like people and thinking takes over, and they tell people to believe what is considered to be the whole truth when in fact there is much more to everything than the serpents they dish out.

winner01:
If I'm not mistaken, I'll like to remind you that U.S.A, Russia, Germany amongst others have a religious majority. The U.K prospered when it was deeply religious. China has an ever increasing number of Christians, which has caught the attention of its government, yet its economy is not regressing. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'd like to know the point youbwere trying to make there.

Go check. You'll find that the Christianity that they used to justify putting chains on some people and working them as slaves is not the same Christian they practice today. If it were, they would still be in what could best be described as dark ages.

winner01:
Almost every form of knowledge in this world takes its students through the process of teaching and self learning. Books are written on both theism, atheism, politics, science etc to reinforce the beliefs of students.

Yes, to reinforce the beliefs of people. But the curtain is being rent free and some people are looking beyond the veil. Education in many nations is now teaching how student can get to learn more, and not just telling them 'what is'.

winner01:
My point is, learning is important and this is why many forms of important knowledge are preserved and taught to younger generations. It is left to us to argue logically on which knowledge/worldview isbinvakid and out of touch with reality.

Well, there is no reason not to teach the history of the Yorubas, say. But we'd have problems if you then say I should base my behaviour on that history.

winner01:
Anyone that shields his/her worldview from skepticism or questioning is most likely shielding a lie. But then, we cannot wish away people who with lower mental characteristics, who would prefer to believe without questioning or engaging in debates. This however, has nothing to do with the validity of their beliefs. Their beliefs must be argued on separate grounds.

No one is wishing anyone away, but no person finds a pot of gold and doesn't go tell his neighbours, or have a light and cover it up so no one sees it. The issues we debate here is whether what we have is a pot of gold, or a light. It is the basis of the atheist/theist debates we have here.

winner01:
Lol, whatever this means

Go way! You loled, so you know what I mean.!

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Is The Default Position? Atheism Or Theism by budaatum: 10:06pm On May 04, 2018*

I am most honoured. You patiently read me! So I will diligently respond when I get home.

Meanwhile, Respect Sir Winner01!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Hateful Language Of Atheism And Its Possible Effects On Society. by budaatum: 10:00pm On May 04, 2018

winner01:
Originally? Can you give me proof?

Its rare, I admit. Considering early atheists never had the chance to parade the fact. But "without god" , is pretty much how they were considered by some, even when what was meant was, "without our specific one supreme god". I have bookmarked this request. Will post when I find some.

I notice you might not quite see the meaning of words as I string them, so please be patient with me. I do slow that way.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by budaatum: 4:12pm On May 04, 2018

rekinomtla:
No thank you, I refuse to join cults such as atheism. I follow truth not lies.

What you posted there is the sort of propaganda and lies told to influence people without brains. If anyone goes about without morals, they can't exactly have meaningful human relationships now, can they?

I would advice that you learn a bit more about atheism and atheists instead of just repeating what you have been told about us.

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