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bemeruca:Is that not why animals can not reason and plan and dominate and rule and subdue? Humans who do not eat fruits of knowledge are not much better than animals. |
This just shows an inability to comprehend due to the inability to use ones own senses to look for oneself and see, and it is a mistake many make too that allows them to accept they are slaves made from mud as opposed to rulers and dominators and subduers in God's image. But I am not in the least surprised since you already admitted a preference for knowledge that is revealed to you (which includes how you must understanding the text concerned), over experiential knowledge (which is how your own eyes and your own mind might see), so I don't expect you to see what I see with my own senses. bemeruca:Genesis Chapter 2 clearly provides detail of additional creations after God had created both male and female in his own Image in chapter one and found them to be good, rested on the Sabbath, and then created ignorant slaves from mud to tend a tiny portion of what was created in chapter 1. Damn! God didn't even bother finding Adam good, which to the discerning might imply less effort was inputted to the molding of the mud, which makes sense since its job was to slave in a poxy garden. What God told Adam is not what God told his own image, and the food Adam was to eat is less than what the image was given to eat. One might argue that Adam was slaving in the garden to tend the fruits of knowledge for the Image to eat, since it's eating is a requirement for gaining the knowledge and ability to rule and subdue and dominate and multiply, but I think that might stretch you way too far. |
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basilico:Adam was not supposed to multiply and fill the earth. He was put into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Period. Those who do not eat fruits of knowledge can not possibly "multiply and fill the earth"! And its precisely because enough of us Nigerians do not eat fruits of knowledge that makes our multiplying slow and our dominating and subduing next to zilch. At the moment, we are even struggling to tend the Garden of Nigeria just because we do not eat sufficient fruits of knowledge. |
bemeruca:God could not possible have been talking to Adam in Chapter 1:28 because Adam was not created until Chapter 2. See above. |
benalvino3:No it is not talking about Adam and Eve when God created humans in his image in chapter 2. And if you had been paying attention you would have raised this point so we thrashed it at the start of my stretching where I said the following, which at the time I knew hadn't been understood by you. budaatum:Genesis Chapter states clearly that Adam and Eve were created on the eighth day, after the God had rested on the seventh day, and after "creating the humans in his image both male and female created he them" on the sixth day. Their job descriptions are different, the image being told to rule the earth and multiply and subdue, while Adam was told to tend a tiny poxy garden. And their pay/reward is different, with the image being told to eat every fruit from every seed bearing tree while Adam had a pay cut of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Besides, God can not possibly have created humans in his image from mud because that would be a hypocrisy that contravenes the second law as given in Exodus which states, "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below", and unlike magas forgiving grab them by the pussy, billions in the world would not have forgiven that God (though I'm sure they would, considering the wuruwuru most do to justify the ungodly). Saying Adam and Eve is the Image of God is step one in your enslavement by those who brought you the book. They themselves were not working in any tiny garden and not eating fruits of trees of knowledge. They were using the knowledge they nourished themselves with to get on ships to go dominate the entire earth to subdue the people they found where they got to so they themselves can plunder your wealth and multiply while you eat there fearing fruits of knowledge is deadly poison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlYE6vgGeSQ?si=MeoqJbprQQBUwTBq The above is a song the Brits sang on their way to enslave you. Note how its full of rule and subdue and multiply, and tell me if it does have similar sentiment to "free Palestine from the river to the sea". We might have resisted them more, I'd think, if we had heard them singing it when they first arrived on our shores, because it clearly hints at their intent. |
basilico:Do you understand what you wrote at all? Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. God was not talking to Adam in Chapter 9! Adam died in Chapter 5. |
benalvino3:Yes you do need to possess superior knowledge in order to enslave people. Ignorant people don't make ships to travel hundreds of miles with guns they made to go enslave anyone. And if the people you want to enslave have superior or at least equal knowledge, it will show in their ability to resist being enslaved. benalvino3:If you shoot me and I die 10 years later, it could still be said that you killed me with your gun, but if you say I will die if you shoot me and I live another 10 years after you shot me, most might conclude you are either a lousy shooter or your gun is fake. Regardless, Adam was very very fruitful after he was supposed to die but instead gained independence, for not only did he bear Seth and Cain and Abel and a few others, his descendants are said to have populated the earth. If that's death, kill me now please. |
basilico:Show me where God told Adam to "Go ye forth, be fruitful. Multiply and fill the whole world". |
benalvino3:The dominion Adam had over the garden was no where close to “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground” that was given to the image of God who was also paid a whole lot more than Adam was paid, including the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. benalvino3:The fact that you are not joking is what makes this sad. If you read what you wrote carefully and stretched a bit, you would hear yourself say you would rather be a slave than a free man so long as you are fed. This is the ignorant mentally amongst most blacks. They refuse to pluck the fruits of tree of knowledge and emancipate themselves because they are programmed to think knowledge will kill them. It's however not only a black people thing. Britain was enslaved to Rome for like 1500 years until an Eve gave King Henry knowledge to eat which opened his eyes so he could see to tell Rome to go do one. We Nigerians will do the same when we too finally eat fruits of knowledge and our Eyes open and we see. And thankfully, it wouldn't take us 1500 years because time moves faster now. |
benalvino3:Pull the other one, why don't you. Adam was 130 years old when he was kicked out of the Garden, which showed he was only willing to obey his master for that long, or rather, had to because it took that long for Eve to have had enough of slaving. Point is, Adam never asked for any eternal life, and I don't think eternal life is even worth it if it meant eternal naked ignorant slavery. Arguing otherwise is like claiming Nigeria would have been better off it it had remained colonised today, or the blacks in America and South Africa would have been better of if they had remained slaves and apartheided respectively. Some may indeed like the little they have as slaves, but some of us would trade die for our freedom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV-fKSbe92U https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/19304942_screenshot20211030173535_jpeg7b7036d3fc64c74d6a91f769e7622369 |
benalvino3:Did you not say its a fairy tale? If that's true, no God revealed anything and we are talking about a story in a book, likely written by ancient men who by nature were anti-feminists. And if that's the case, one must consider the years of programming some have done with the book. I put it to you that in order to enslave people you must have more knowledge (power) than them for starts, and you must deprive those you enslave of that knowledge least they acquire it and rebel against you. https://oaklandliteracycoalition.org/literacy-by-any-means-necessary-the-history-of-anti-literacy-laws-in-the-u-s/ https://www.britannica.com/event/Bantu-Education-Act https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/almajiri-a-legacy-gone-bad-in-nigerias-north/183887 benalvino3:If Adam had died when he ate the fruit of knowledge I would agree with the above, but in the case of Adam it was more like saying not to have sex without protection or you will turn into stone, since Adam did not die as he was told he would if he ate the fruit of the tree he was told not to eat. The God in that narrative lied, but I guess you can't admit that least you burn in hell. |
benalvino3:I doubt you would see the flaw in the above, but I'll try. Revealed knowledge is like CNN, Breitbart, MSNBC, Fox News, Wiki, dump, pastor, Imam, Wapo, etc,. Today, they reveal the so called knowledge, but you are suggesting I just believe them and don't use my own senses to experience and gain knowledge. Its like saying, just accept what you are told and don't seek with all your own heart and all your own soul and all your own mind and time and strength for knowledge and the understanding that comes with it, and sounds like braindeadness to me. If you put buda in the garden and say "don't eat fruits of knowledge", just the mere fact you labelled it so positively I'd eat nothing else. Otherwise, "if you want to hide something from a black person" would have to apply to my ignorant self, for which I'd consequent myself by bashing my own unused head against a rock. I can assure that such an ignorant person is more likely to fail if you gave them all the money in the world and the information to farm land, since personal verified experience is required for successful farming. |
benalvino3:The so called warning was a warning against a lie, since Adam and Eve never had to bear the consequence of "surely dying on the day they eat thereof". In fact, they so did not have to bear that consequence that the God just threw them out of his garden so they had to bear the consequence of life itself, "eating from the sweat of their own brow". Adam was after all not 130 years old before he became free and bore Seth, after which he lived another 800 years as a free self employed responsible bearing individual. Bem, if you tell a child, "I will beat you if you....", you are not informing that child nor are you educating it. What you are doing is creating a person you want to control, and is similar to earth is fallingnism. benalvino3:I think you place far too much support on funding. I personally do not think all the funding in the entire world would make a difference if those you give it to do not have the knowledge the long term farmers had about climate and storage and what to plant or rear when and where to ship to and sell, etc. Or do you think those you take the land from will hand over that information too? benalvino3:I suggest you go read Genesis 3 again where the consequences of eating the fruit of knowledge is clearly stated. First, the fruit was "good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom", all consequences. And "they realized they were naked", another consequence. "So they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves", thereby going even much further by mitigating some of the consequences of eating the fruit. But I'm certain you meant the supposed punishment the God is written to have imposed on them, so lets look at those. I'll ignore the snake for its comedy. The first, I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children, is just a fact of life. The animals that God never said this to also have childbearing pains. Besides, its not so painful to make most women avoid childbirth considering how many have more than two kids. And the process of making those kids is usually enjoyed, to boot. The second sentence, [i]Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”[/i]apart from it really having been written by male chauvinistic pigs to control women just as God tried to with his "on the day that you eat" lie, men actually do desire women more, and now that womens' eyes are opening more, men are even being ruled by women. As for the man's supposed punishment of "you must work before you eat". I can't see why that shouldn't be desired as government policy, unless you want people to eat without working. I am not blaming external forces for South African blacks being unable to farm land or we Nigerians failing to manage the industries we took over. The facts however are that we did not have the knowledge had by the people we took over from, and therefore were bound to fail. |
basilico:I keep telling you to go sign up as dump's lawyer but it seems you like litigating your case on Nairaland. He needs you! All tariffs imposed on 2 April, plus the fentanyl tariffs on China, Canada and Mexico are blocked. |
I am often amused when humans complain about inflation especially home owners. Would they prefer their major asset to deflate I wonder, but I'm sure I'm just stretching it or the complainers are not. The gradual deflation in house prices began about with covid (my conspiracy mind wants to say before way back when the Fed Rate went zero), and has gone on since even while many were yelling inflation. https://wolfstreet.com/2025/05/26/the-10-big-cities-with-the-biggest-price-declines-of-single-family-homes-from-their-peaks-through-april-7-to-21/ |
autoez:The gross total enrolment rate in Nigerian universities is 12%. https://www.financialnigeria.com/the-burden-of-university-funding-shifts-to-students-blog-821.html |
examcv:They really should serve jail before reparation, if just to deter future irregular migrants. They can pay for their jail by working. |
I watched the video below and thought, the Chinese have come already and will come more in the future, then I went investigating EB-5 Visas considering the moneys involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-RBBkiNkFM?si=rhJ7Pt454iOgtMmt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa
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benalvino3:I lose many people. My delight here is I feel your brain is being used, which forces me to use mine too. The slavery of Adam and Eve explains how some humans in God's image enslave and utilise the ignorant made from mud people. And Eve's action shows how to free oneself from that naked ignorant slavery. If the God enslaves people and is pissed off when they free themselves, then how much so some people in South Africa who lost their slaves, and the British when they lost their colony. Even if the freed people had "sufficient capital, technical expertise, and managerial experience" their previous owners who've lost them will do much to ensure they fail. |
bemeruca:Yes, a oversimplified stretch, since I have so much energy to stretch. In fact, let me stretch the above for you. Black slaves in America should not have been set free because, "economic nationalism". In fact, white slave owners should not have set their slaves free because, "economic nationalism". And your boss should pay you half what you currently are paid because economic nationalism. bemeruca:Listen to this stretch, please. After God had created humans in his own image, both male and female he created them, and they were good, God then rested on the seventh day and on the eight day, God created Adam from mud. God, we read, told Adam, "of all the fruits in the garden you may eat except the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat thereof, thou shalt surely die. And Adam slept, and perhaps because God had run out of mud, we read he took Adam's rib and formed a helper. Not that I believe a word out of Adam's misogynistic mind. Now, this Adam helper whom God never told what to eat or not to eat, did of course eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of the good and the evil, as she should dare I say, and her eyes opened, and she saw it was good for gaining wisdom, and she gave some to the ignorant naked enslaved Adam, and he ate and his eyes opened too, though I can't say he gained any wisdom. And the God was angry and kicked them out of his garden so they had to become self employed converting rocks to farmland to feed themselves. My point is, of course when Nigerian eyes opened (tinily, as it turned out, considering the failures), and rebelled against their masters and said they would be their own masters, the masters will be pissed off and then do everything they could to ensure the usurper does not succeed, especially, if there is "The lack of sufficient capital, technical expertise, and managerial experience among new Nigerian", though I doubt those things could have not lacked since you don't get to have those just because you took the farm. In fact, think of "sufficient capital, technical expertise, and managerial experience" like the rain the God withholds from falling on whatever Adam and Eve plant in their own farm because he's pissed off he lost his slaves. Pharaoh after all did worse when he lost his slaves. You wouldn't, I hope, argue that blacks under apartheid and slaves in America and colonised Nigerians were being educated to inherit the farm and run it successfully. Or would you? Normally, the god will not even wait for the usurper to start usurping, but will start by lying to you that the fruits of knowledge you labour in their garden to tend for them to eat will kill you, despite Adam and Eve living about 800 years after they ate what seems to be a very very slow acting poison indeed. But as we've agreed, a very long stretch. Now do me a favour, if you read this far. Read your first as quoted above again and tell me if Israel grabbing land Palestinians live on is not historical injustice and inequity, and nothing to do with their nation's survival? And why is it okay for them and not for blacks? |
bemeruca:Apart from the fact you seem to have missed my "some", and inferred I insinuated "all lands", this is far more reasoning than I expected from you. Just know that Ramaphosa may appropriate land, but he'd not find it easy appropriating funding from banks for those farmers, nor knowledge or experience either. As for it being a mistake Zimbabwe made, Nigeria did the same with the Nigerian Enterprises Promotion Decree of 1972, by which we appropriated foreign owned companies. It wasn't land in our case, but the sentiment is similar And while I might look at the subsequent decline of the companies that were appropriated, I can understand why its done. I'd also claim its no different to America First, but you'd then think my understanding is support, so consider it more like native Americans land back and Israel's more aggressive genocidal form. |
bemeruca:"While South Africa is a single nation where white people face discrimination" for decades, though I don't see why the amount if time facing matters. And no, I don't expect you to understand "how Israel entered the matter", but I've entered it, so wrap your cells around it some. bemeruca:This is ignorant, since you don't just transform plenty of unused land into farmland just like that. Don't you consider some of that unused land is unused because it is rocky, or perhaps too far away from water and transport that might have in the past be directed, with government spending, to the desirable land that is already owned and not to the unused land? It is also naive to think the people who decades ago chose the land they wanted for themselves would leave the better easily transformed to farmland for those coming now to easily transform the rest to farmland. But I bet you also think the whites who transformed land to farmland completely ignored the land the black people were farming for themselves, because black South Africans were not farming before white people arrived and transformed land to farm? Some blacks who might want to transform land to farmland today might not have the history that might enable them to get the assistance and loans at desirable rates given to those with historical land ownership records, or have access to the international markets the long time land owners have access to etc, etc, etc. But like you said, I don't expect you to understand how any of that enters into this conversation. |
Vivianat:He was found not innocent in the end. An Ikeja sexual offences and domestic violence court has sentenced Feyi Daniels, founder of I Reign Christian Ministry, to life imprisonment for raping a church member. |
I think you should be glad that South African are not doing what Israel is doing to land owners in the West Bank and Gaza. You might argue Yahweh did not tell the blacks in South Africa to steal the land from those living there and own it in the first place, but the blacks sure did own it before any whites came to steal it off them like the Israelis claim the Palestinians stole theirs. bemeruca: |
https://wolfstreet.com/2025/05/24/30-year-20-year-treasury-yields-back-over-5-10-year-over-4-5-yield-curve-steepens-at-long-end-mortgage-rates-back-over-7/ The below is from the comments. My another fear, Powell term is up May 2026. New Fed chair is going to be a puppet of our president. What do you think will happen if new chair cuts interest rates drastically or make other rash policy decisions?
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The World Remembers George Flyod Five Years After https://www.nairaland.com/8434924/world-remembers-george-flyod-five#135504668 God1000: |
Mercedes are going to have to explain their strategy to us. It made Russell cry. Go Lando!
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SkyF1 is moaning about Monaco strategies. Me? I'm loving it! |
bemeruca:See the bold alone? It is not true, and just makes whatever you say after it not worth the bother of being read. Evidence shows most illegal immigrants are not "a leech to the system", especially not in uber capitalist America where most things are not even leechable by their own citizens unless you are part of the 1%. You can of course dispute this by showing how you who has claimed to be illegally in America is leeching. As for your "illegal immigrants". Sounds like you want to let H1Bs in instead of low wage earners who can't get regular decent paying legal jobs, which is what those you call illegals usually end up doing for what you claim they leech, when in fact the leaders know both are needed. It is similar to UK PM saying they only want English speakers. The hope is, the people will think that means Australians and New Zealanders, because Nigerians speak Nigerianese. South Africa, where millions were deprived of knowledge for over a century, is bound to be lawless, especially if the deprivers still control most of the land and capital. Because, unlike you, most will not settle for chains and bread. |
bemeruca:It is a pity that you feel your dark skin makes you feel inferior to white skins. You are obviously not ready to govern yourself, and that's why you let the sorts of dump govern you. Many of us would rather starve as free people than be fed with a chain around our necks.
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bemeruca:Some Nigerians say they were better off when they were a colony of Britain or when military ruled, and some say they were better off as slaves with chains around their necks. Some even say Adam was better off as a naked ignorant slave in Eden, but I'm glad Eve freed him so he could become self employed and populate the entire earth. |
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