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OLAADEGBU:
The law now stipulates that you have to live for at least 7 years after birth before you can be counted as an English citizen. Kemi's citizenship was automatic at the time of her birth. There is no such law in Nigeria.

OLAADEGBU, would you kindly show me where you got that law from please?

No one us counted as an English citizen! Even the English are not English citizens! You can not be a citizen of a tribe, but only of a country. You will not say you are a Yoruba citizen now, or would you?

What is automatic for Kemi and for myself at birth is our British citizenship.

OLAADEGBU:
You might as well say that no one is English just as you can say that there is no country called England. You will keep on confusing yourself when you use Nigeria as a yardstick in measuring England. Would the Scottish still call themselves British if they break away from the UK?

You are very funny. Would the Yoruba call themselves Nigerians if they break away from Nigeria?

Some people are indeed English, just as some people are Yoruba or Igbo etc. They are English because (one of) their parents is English, same as you are Yoruba because one of your parents is Yoruba. If you were born in Kano, you will still be Yoruba and will never be Hausa.

OLAADEGBU:
That argument is mute because it does not apply to England. You can be English either by birth or naturalisation. English football players represent England in the World Cup and not Britain. Saka plays for England not Britain in the World Cup and he does not need to prove that one of his parents is born English.

You can not naturalise to be English! There is no process for it. What you naturalise to become is British.

The World Cup is an anomaly that accepts the different regions as "countries". You will note that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have their own separate seats in the United Nations.

Saka's passport is not an English passport, and when he goes to the embassy in Nigeria for help, he will not go to an English embassy, same as you will not be applying for an English visa if you want to come to England, or Scotland etc.

OLAADEGBU:
Left-wing policies have eroded and denigrated the black man in UK and the US and that is why you will see yourself as a lesser citizen than a Caucasian would see themselves.

Now, this is interesting. It is actually the British society itself that imposes the distinction of greater and lesser.

If an English person terrorises abroad they can not be stripped of their nationality or be banned from returning to UK. But if a naturalised British person commits a crime, they can be stripped of their British nationality.

And yes, it is racist.

OLAADEGBU:
That is why identity politics does more harm than good to the black populace and the liberal ideology does not help anyone.

Are you suggesting that Conservative right wing Kemi identifying as Yoruba and not Nigerian is "liberal ideology" that does not help her, or did you just decide to throw in that nonsense because you haven't got a clue what you are arguing?

OLAADEGBU:
What makes you a Nigerian is not necessarily what makes you English. The law in the UK at the time of her birth makes her a citizen of England. That does not apply in Nigeria. To call Kemi English refers to her nationality; she’s a citizen of England.

What law in UK at the time of her birth?

No one is a citizen of England, just as no one is a citizen of Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa or Fulani. English is not even a nationality, because technically, England is not a country. English is a tribe (and a language of course), just like Yoruba and Igbo and Hausa and Fulani, and the nationality of the English people is British, or United Kingdom, if one is to be pedantic, though we do not describe ourselves as such.

You are born (into the tribe of) English or Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa or Fulani if [one of] your parents is English or Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa or Fulani, and that's what makes you English or Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa or Fulani. Kemi was born to Nigerian parents in England in Britain, which makes her a British national and a Nigerian national, but not English since neither of her parents are English.

What's funny about this discussion by the way, is that if I who was born in Lewisham in London claim to be English, you'd likely laugh loudly in my face, and rightly so. I can not in any way be English just because I was born in England, because neither of my parents is of the English tribe, same as a person with Igbo parents born in Ibadan does not magically become Yoruba.

TenQ:
You will not[e] that I didn't once speak about the Big Bang.

The fact that you mentioned the age of the earth to be 13.7 billion years old is you speaking about the big bang, since that is the proposed date for it.

Here is some learning for you.

What existed before the Big Bang?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-what-existed-before-the-big-bang

Note the bit where it says "speculative physics". As in, they don't know but think that is what might have existed and happened. No scientist would tell you they believe it to be true since they have no evidence for it.

OLAADEGBU:
Citizen lesson 101: If you are born in Nigeria you are Nigerian. If you are born in England you are English. Kemi Badenoch is English because she was born in Wimbledon, England. Therefore, Kemi is English born. Simples

Dude please!

Being born in Ibadan does not make you Yoruba unless one of your parents is Yoruba. Being born in Enugu does not make you Igbo unless one of your parents is Igbo. Same as you are not English unless one of your parents is English. What you are is British, and that's what Kemi is. You will find that she would never describe herself as English anywhere. The reason is that English is a tribe, same as Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, etc, while British, Nigerian, Ghanaian is nationality.

TenQ:
Google is your friend except you are adverse to knowing

Its a s scientific consensus, as in, what is agreed on, and if you dig further into science you'd find its when "the universe as we know it" began. Science recognises that something must have existed before then for anything to go bang, since bangs don't just occur out of nothing.

Note too that the Big Bang Theory is not the only theory. Choosing one to believe is like choosing a god and disregarding all others.

TenQ:
It seems you disagree with this claim of the universe being about 13.8 billion years old, therefore

Interestingly, the argument for such a claim makes sense to me from my little knowledge.

Can you please give me your own sources estimate and why!

Your source alone is evidence. It claims there was a big bang 13.8million years ago, and the universe as is known is suggested to have began. Just that alone shows something must have existed a priori to go bang, since bangs don't happen out of nothing.

That's where some now insert their imaginary gods instead of accepting they don't know and can not possibly know, and is like claiming there's a billion naira in your bank account because you don't know how much you have.

P.s. You are expecting some religious sort of knowledge that you must believe, so I know you can't possibly get your head around actually using it to reason.

TenQ:
Sorry, please give me YOUR source of knowledge.
You know that
The source of Christians is their Bible
The source of Muslims is their Qur'an, Hadiths , Tafsirs and Sirah
Even traditional worshippers have their narrative, chants and poetries

What is YOUR own standard by which I can measure your beliefs?

Do you think that whatever you think is a standard I should judge your beliefs by!?

Typical believer of you to want to judge beliefs instead of judging understanding!

In your own Bible, it is written that humans should not live by bread alone, yet here you are asking me to live by one book. And even your own one book, you seem to fail to understand!

Would your God create you, TenQ, in God's own image to be fruitful and rule and and subdue and multiply and eat every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it, then rest on 5he sixth day after seeing all it created was good, and them wake up on the eight day after resting on the seventh to create you from mud to work naked in a tiny garden and not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

How are you supposed to 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground' if you do not nourish yourself with fruits of knowledge?

Do you think those who came to rule and subdue you and teach you to believe you descended from Adam did not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge before they came to enslave you?

My standard is your ability to use your own mind to reason, but I'm aware how powerful that which is called Satan is.

TenQ:
Tell me that science is wrong because these I obtained from scientists who are far much more brilliant than 10 of us combined.

Just tell me that it is UNTRUE according to science that the universe began about 13.8billion years ago, then I will surrender as there will be no point continuing any further discussions.

Put "when did the universe begin" into Google, and you'd get "The Big Bang Theory suggests that the universe began about 13.8 billion years ago".

Hopefully you are not ignorant enough to accept a "suggestion" as fact, though, you being a believer would not surprise me in the least since you can help but believe something

No one knows how the universe began, or what existed before its current form started. And I suggest you stop treating those "scientists who are far much more brilliant than 10 of us combined" like the only prophets of the gods.

TenQ:
By the way, you should be able to tell us how life with it's information came about.

13.8 billion years ago?

You must want me to lie to you, but I refuse.

gidgiddy:
Nigeria is 8th most insecure country on earth for a reason, Nigerians are killing themselves

We like to blame it on others, same as we refuse to accept responsibility for electing our corrupt leaders from amongst our corrupt selves, and instead making out they came to rule us from mars.

Thankfully, time and suffering make people know the truth, eventually. Lets just hope its long before we decide to do rwanda on ourselves.

TenQ:
My little science tells me that time, mass, energy and the laws of physics,and chemistry came after the 13.8 billion years ago

Therefore, prior to this time NOTHING existed.

Think just a little. You don't know what existed 100,000 years ago, but you are here confidently claiming to know nothing existed 13.8 billion years ago?

Even science does not make such a stupid claim, and recognises something must have existed for something to go bang!

TenQ:
Anyone can say anything or have opinions about anything. Thus, I ask for your source and authority for your position.

Don't you want me to scrutinize it?

I want to be able to quote your source and see if you are consistent with what you claim

My source is your Holy Bible.

Read it and show me where Adam died from eating a fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil!

And while you are scrutinising it, kindly show me your source for not believing in loving your neighbour just because they read a different book to your own. Or is it that you believe but do not need to practise?

It seems like the age of lying to ourselves that fulani is coming to Enugu to kill us is finally over, and we are now prepared to tell our selves the truth that it is us that is killing ourselves!

budaatum:
The thought of Fulani kidnapping in Enugu or my own Yoruba land is just comical and for the ignorant as far as I'm concerned.

I've always said I would learn some Fulfude before becoming a kidnapper, so when I kidnap you you'd yell cow instead of looking for me amongst yourselves.

Thing is, that's probably too much effort on my part since most would yell cow as soon as they hear kidnap anyway, the bunch of lazy fuqs!

But I'm sure you'd wake up to the fact someday that we've been kidnapping yourselves.

TenQ:
Sorry!
Since you do not practice either Judaism, Christianity or Islam, you need to present your source of knowledge that counters what you read in the scripture.

Is your source your feeling?

Scripture and the Quran both tell you to read much more widely, and I'd suggest you obey one at least instead of merely believing what you refuse to practice.

TenQ:
The Human mind and EVERYTHING else came out of NOTHING!?

How do you know this wonderful information?

The human mind did not come out of nothing, TenQ. You'd know this if you went and studied some history and biology instead of living by one book alone.

Even those who sold you that book are moving on, but here you are, stuck, sadly.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, the Muslims I am addressing know that Hell exists.

To you who thinks that the Uncaused First Cause of everything aka God doesn't exist, what lie and deception can be greater than this?

Do you seriously believe your imaginary Uncaused First Cause of everything is uncaused by something?

I don't, because I happen to know the human mind is capable of causing a lot of causes, even imaginary ones like hell and gods.

TenQ:
I ask again, what is your source?

How do you know that Judaism told a lie? How do you know who Adam was?

What is your own source of evidence?

What is my hadith? Lol.

Genesis 1 to 5 is mythological. The story itself shows it is made up mythology since no one could have possibly been there recording what happened and nor did God write it since its not in the first person.

That mythical Adam himself in the story was lied to is also obvious from the fictional story since he did not die on eating the fruit that was claimed would kill him. And that's apart from numerous verses in the same book that show that it is the opposite of knowledge that kills.

As for how I know, that's by doing what Christ taught, ask and knock and seek with ones whole heart and soul and mind and being. Its called, research. You don't only acquire knowledge if you do as he taught, but also understanding and eventually, wisdom.

TenQ:
What is your understanding of this Hadith?
Is it that Babies will not go to Hell for being buried alive?

My understanding of the hadith is that it is the same nonsense as me telling kids that Father Christmas would not bring them presents if they continue to be naughty. And I'd consider those kids rather stupid and ignorant if when they become grown ups do not realise it was just a tool to control them.

Both Father Christmas and hell do not exist, and I'd expect you to put away such childish beliefs eventually. But if you do become an adult and start arguing about presents from father Christmas, I'm bound to form a particular opinion about the non-development of your mind.

OLAADEGBU:
Correction: Kemi is not Nigerian born as the article above stated but rather she is English born lady with Nigerian heritage.

Correction: Kemi is not English born as you claim, but is rather British born with Nigerian heritage.

You can't be English born unless one of your parents is of the English tribe.

TenQ:
How do you know that Judaism told a lie? How do you know who Adam was?

What is your own source of evidence?

Listen to you being Islamically asking for an hadith, lol, even after Christianity has taught you to be ministered to by a holy spirit.

It is a lie that Adam's eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would kill him because in their very own book we can clearly see that he did not die after eating it!

A person who chooses to use their own brain would understand that depriving people of knowledge as that story suggests, would only make those deprived people slaves to those who do not deprive themselves of knowledge. After all, some in that same story must have been eating the fruit that Adam was farming but was forbidden to eat. Or are you one of those who have been made to believe that the Adam that was made from mud is the same creation in God's Image?

Thankfully, the story also shows how to free oneself from the ignorance of slavery and go on to live about a 1000 years and populate the entire earth.

The entire story is mythical, as in made up and never happened, but one must be aware of its potential to program your mind so your mind is not adversely programmed.

TenQ:
BTW: It seems you don't know that private interpretation of the Qur'an or Hadith is not allowed in Islam

Sorry TenQ, but from where I am looking, you are practising your own private understanding of Islam while insisting you are not allowed or that the understanding you have adopted is the only understanding allowed.

You have after all come across various hadiths by various people that contradict each other and therefore show private interpretation is very much done in Islam, and that's apart from the various diverse interpretations presented to you here. You're even likely aware that there are various different sects of Islam too, which is clear evidence of private interpretation. Or would you like to argue that the boko haram interpretation is accepted by all Muslims?

TenQ:
Why do you insist on believing a LIE ..

The lie is believing there is a hell that anyone goes to when you know the dead are put in a box and put in the ground and covered with soil where they rot and become worm food or are burnt and become ashes.

TenQ:
2. A pagan Arab would not be threatened with her daughter going to hell.

You must forgive buda for having a brain in head that knowing how to use it instead of letting ignorant others tell buda what is.

The pagan that one wants to convert from pre-Islamic non-muslim Arab and burying their daughters to Islam and not burying their daughters will be threatened with their daughter going to hell.

Judaism used the same tactic in making Adam ignorant and docile by lying to him that he would surely die if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And that same reasoning is still being used today to keep Nigerians backward and servile.

triplechoice:
What consent does a mother need from her own child to find out if she has been molested if she suspects so?

Considering the toxic home she's cultivated where her own son is also doing the molesting, I'm rather not surprised she suspects. And if this checking is routine from age 6, I'm not surprised at the poor girls premature sexual awakening.

If the mother had focused on the 6 year old learning maths, she'd likely be cultivating a mind of academic excellence instead.

triplechoice:
There's no sexual or physical abuse. The examination ,from the way she described it, was done without any violence

The mother agrees with you. Those who do fgm on their daughters also do not believe they are abusing their daughters

I and many others here however do not agree that it is not abuse, and would rather such abuse not be inflicted on peoples' daughters even by their own mothers.

Your typical ignorant basic maths is racist non-understanding would arrive at your stupid idiot's conclusion.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/wisconsin-shooter-war-against-humanity/articleshow/116407685.cms

TenQ:
Secondly, only the pre-Islamic non-muslim Arabs buried their daughters. These would neither believe in heaven nor hell and thus, it is meaningless scaring them with hell.

This, is precisely why you threaten people with hell. Its in order to convert them from pre-Islamic non-muslim Arabs and burying their daughters, to Islam and not burying their daughters.

Judaism did the same thing in telling people to obey the ten commandments or they'd burn in hell, and Christianity took this on too by threatening those who didn't accept Christ with hell and damnation.

Its a religious thing to use the fear of something to threaten people to accept it, but since no pre-Islamic non-muslim is burying their daughter theses days, that's not exactly effective no more, though some Christians do still use some form of hell scaremongering where abortion is concerned.

Shows our inability to plan and organise!

According to reports making the rounds on Wednesday, December 18, the unfortunate event occurred at the Islamic High School in the Bashorun area, which was intended to provide 5000 naira to 5000 children.

TVC News reported that things took a devastating turn when the number of children exceeded the expected 5,000, leading to a struggle for entry.

https://www.legit.ng/nigeria/1631425-breaking-30-children-feared-dead-tragic-stampede-ibadan-funfair-gov-reacts/

constancefriday:
Give such reprobate folks the benefit of doubt with your bulletproof vest on and ammunitions on standby.

First, I should perhaps start by not calling others reprobates, and then I would not need bulletproof vest and ammunitions.

constancefriday:
Don't expect much from People who have chosen to be reprobate and are neither sober nor sorry about it

Except that I have no choice but to have faith in people since a book of the gods says I must love people as I love myself, which includes giving the benefit of doubt I give to myself to other people too.

Reprobates can after all sober up and be sorry and repent, I find.

Truvelisback:
Alright. I learnt that he has left the church to open his or have his church. Is it true?

This must be a lie then?

https://www.nairaland.com/8266565/bishop-abioye-begins-new-ministry#132868416

According to earlier reports, Bishop Abioye retired due to reaching the age limit stipulated by the Living Faith Church’s operational guidelines which serves as the church’s constitution.

The church policy, often referred to as the “Liberation Mandate”, was reportedly revised to set the retirement age for pastors at 58 from 60.

“I did not attend Shiloh 2024 because Shiloh without Bishop Abioye is somehow,” Melaye said.

“I can’t understand why Bishop Oyedepo, who is older, is not retired, and it is Bishop Abioye who is younger that should be forcefully retired. God did not retire Abioye, only Oyedepo did,” he added.

Can you see the double standards?

Bishop Oyedepo had previously advised critics to refrain from questioning the church’s decisions.

Be mindless sheep and pay your tithes!

To be honest, I'm not surprised this woman's home is already infested with sexual abuse, and I can't help wonder how she was checking her son's virginity that made him sexually active so young and on his 6 year old sister!

One of my daughters (6 years old) said;

“Mummy, na my brother and him two friends dey fuçk fûck me every time!”