₦airaland Forum

Brendaniel:
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/live/tori-64776447

If Peter Obi won in Rivers then why was he contesting his loss in the same Rivers in court?

That was in March. Very soon after the election

Read below BBCs investigation and final results in May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65163713

“If it is something that is good for public consumption, you should allow it to go. But if you know that the story they are telling can only be told to monkeys, you should ask the person to go and face the monkeys and say that, not in the church. So, that type of testimony should be served to the monkeys and not to human beings,” the Lagos State CAN chairman declared.

Lol

When asked his thoughts on such miracles, he said, “God doesn’t act that way. I have a Ph.D. Which God of Chosen will appear to you and give you answers to your examination questions?

“The God of Chosen will give you strength to read your books and go for the exams. There is no shortcut to success in life other than hard work and belief in God.”

nairaman66:
In every argument, comprehension is key. Forget I ever responded to your comment.

I can just hope you comprehend what I have said.

Brendaniel:
I don't know where you got your result from, but this is the official result from INEC...

And Peter Obi contested the result up to supreme court and lost ...

I got my result here.
https://www.stears.co/elections/2023/president/RI/

Please provide a link to where you got yours.

nairaman66:
I didn’t ask you to steal, if you comprehend my statement. But you didn’t.., the false equivalence in your response is clearly evident.

Signing for ₦100m is theft. Signing for ₦100m and accepting ₦50m so others can steal ₦50m is theft. And not understanding the equivalence is plain closing eyes to corruption.

Brendaniel:
So why are you trying to teach me?

I am discussing with you, one single Nigerian, and not 220 million Nigerians, and it is not my duty to do so but just what I choose to do at this moment in time.

Whether you learn or not is your responsibility and entirely up to you, and if anything, your duty, if you so choose it to be.

Brendaniel:
Evidence suggests he won but INEC declared Tinubu the winner in the same state and the supreme court endorsed and approved it...

I've posted the result of the presidential election in Rivers State showing Obi won, which proves any rigging done by anyone for Tinubu failed.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please share.

Brendaniel:
So what are you doing here if it is not to teach?

Am I teaching Nigerians here?

Is it my duty?

Brendaniel:
You said you want to teach Nigerians which means you have taken it up as a duty....

Show where I said I "want to teach Nigerians"!

Brendaniel:
I can't remember the link now and most likely it would have been deleted from YouTube because of the gory scenes in it, it was very bloody...

I won't come here and be lying about something that serious...

Pity you can't provide evidence for me to see for myself and are asking me to believe you. I don't do believe, sorry.

Besides, I think you were mistaken in claiming Wike rigged the election for APC in Rivers State, or perhaps Wike was a bad rigger, because evidence does suggests my Peter Obi won in Rivers State.

Brendaniel:
Wike did it in Rivers state, I watched corpers bleeding, they were shot, the guys was dying, the girls were busy running trying to save their lives, the bus and the materials were destroyed, I watched the video...

With all the video evidence I saw, the person Wike rigged for is president today, Wike is minister and his right hand man became governor...

What should the corpers have done?

Show me the video evidence you saw and let me see it for myself please.

Brendaniel:
That's because you claim you have a duty to teach others?

Please show me where I claimed to "have a duty to teach others".

nairaman66:
Critiquing an idea is good. No one out there is 100 percent honest even you. It was my idea, wasn’t enforcing you to do it. Online we all want to appear like saints, but unarguably you must have done something not so good or so. You may try to appear perfect, but that’s your worry. Like I said earlier, good luck to you!

I never said I was perfect. I am just telling you that I can not assist the local government steal my local communities money!

Brendaniel:
Did I tell you I'm not responsible for my learning?

You are making out that I should be responsible for the learning of others and I included you in those others.

People should be responsible for their own learning just as you are responsible for your learning. But if people refuse to be responsible for their learning, they will definitely be responsible for their ignorance and its consequences.

nairaman66:
I guess you didn’t you read the complete message. You made your decision, live with it. Nobody asked if
You were raised or not raised that way. Good luck

I did read the complete message, and I do live with my choice.

"Take the money" is asking me to be corrupt, and that is not what I am brought up to do.

I can not be yelling corruption every where while I am being corrupt too, whatever I might have done with the money I corruptly got.

Hear wise Brendaniel please.

Brendaniel:
If all politicians are thieves then no nation in the world would have developed....

Brendaniel:
So how do you let all Nigerians who may not know to know that they are responsible for their learning?

It is not my responsibility to tell all Nigerians, but I am telling you here.

Be responsible for your learning!

Now you know. And that's one less Nigerian who doesn't know.

Brendaniel:
No, we didn't die...

If a politician does that in my area during election, I will go back to my house...

And that's what I suppose some others will do too, while some will obviously fight and some will die. And some will gather evidence and go and contest the election in court.

Politician can't after all bring thugs, police and guns to pressure you to vote in his Favour and pressure INEC and pressure other parties too without there being evidence.

Or do you think the politician who did not bring thugs, police and guns to pressure you to vote in his Favour will just go home too?

Brendaniel:
So are you saying voters can die because they want to vote?

It is you who sad voters died! I just assumed those who died refused to be forced.

Brendaniel, what would you do if politician brings thugs, police and guns to pressure you to vote in his Favour"?

nairaman66:
You would have taken the money,

I should have corruptively helped them to be corrupt?

Sorry, but I was not brought up to be that way.

Brendaniel:
But you have already given up that it is not your responsibility to educate anybody ?

I am educating you here. It is still however not my responsibility to educate you.

Its about you learning, which you are responsible for.

Brendaniel:
But they did, port harcort, Edo, Lagos and so on, they even killed some voters....

So are you saying the voters should fight them with their guns ?

No politician brought thugs, police and guns to pressure voters to vote in his Favour, but if you have evidence they did, please provide it.

But even if some did you've answered your own question. Those you claim they even killed must have resisted, and that's what any reasonable person would do, I'd think, though perhaps I shouldn't presume.

Brendaniel, what would you do if politician brings thugs, police and guns to pressure you to vote in his Favour"?

Brendaniel:
So that means you are saying that your solution is not guaranteed to work?

No single solution is guaranteed to work on the topic being discussed here!

That's why no one is suggesting only one solution but many various ones. And that's why everyone should do their bit instead of just giving up and not even bothering to vote.

Brendaniel:
So if a politician brings thugs, police and guns to pressure voters to vote in his Favour, what should the voters do?

Resist the pressure of course. Unless you want to increase the pressure when he wins and then mounts corruption and ineptitude on you.

But don't be facetious. No "politician brings thugs, police and guns to pressure voters to vote in his Favour". I did not see Tinubu in Aba!

Brendaniel:
And how many people can you do it to at a time, let's assume you are the only one with this mindset in Nigeria, I mean how do you educate the remaining over 220 million Nigerians?

Because in the north alone you have over 10 million Almajiris who are not educated, how do you achieve educating them about your idea?

I am not responsible for 10 million Almajiris or 220 million Nigerians, Brendaniel. I'm not even responsible for the about 100k people in my own local community. Some of them cursed me for bringing books and asked me to just give them the money, as if na me born them!

Every Nigerian is responsible for educating themselves to choose the right leaders just as every Nigerian bears their own suffer for us all choosing the wrong leaders.

Brendaniel:
Good, but we are talking about the political leadership here...

Education has an effect on political leadership.

Educated leaders lead better. And an educated electorate choose better leaders.

And no, i don't mean educated like you'd think, knowing you'd likely point out our leaders are educated with degrees. I mean the education that gives proper understanding and teaches people to use their own senses to reason and solve problems.

If the voting people have proper understanding and can solve problems, they'd elect the right people and no one would steal their votes.

Brendaniel:
So what was the effect of your input, can you highlight it?

People had books to read. People had a library to read books in (I paid for it to be open).

Some have claimed the library is what has helped them be the success they are.

Brendaniel:
And how do you get the people to do this?

How do I get every person to be responsible for curing themself of ignorance by educating themselves?

Now that's a funny question indeed. I'm telling people to be responsible for curing their own ignorance, and your question is, how do I do this, lol. But I'll answer you all the same.

By talking to people like you until you learn or until I decide you are a lost cause and move on to people who are willing to be responsible instead of irresponsibly blaming others.

Good thing is, my effort is not in vain. For while some might not see sense in my effort, you aren't the only one reading my effort.

Brendaniel:
So are you saying all your efforts and those around you are in vain?

No. I am not saying all my efforts and those around me are in vain

Rome, they say, was not built in a day, so I don't expect all my efforts and those around me to produce instant results.

Story.
One day, 10 years after the first of 3 of my donations of books to my local government library, a one year old child who could barely speak was humming "abcd, efg. hijk, lmnopq", and that was the first result I had seen from my efforts.

I expect all my efforts to produce results long after I am dead since Nigerians are stubborn and would rather claim the elections were rigged when the truth is they never bothered to vote.

Suffering will teach people to become responsible, or their suffering will increase until we learn, or die.

Brendaniel:
In present day Nigeria, it is almost like everyone has to handle his problem by himself...

Well, that does depend on what the problem is.

It is every persons responsibility to cure themself of ignorance by educating themselves so they make the right choices. And if everyone educates themself, we shall collectively make the right choices and improve our collective communities.

Brendaniel:
And how is your state doing now?

Like every other state. We are after all facing a Nigerian problem, and not just any state's or persons sole problem here.

Its why I said it's not about your one vote, but about democracy. Until we learn to protect our democracy and its process, we whall all continue to suffer the consequences of our bad choices.

Brendaniel:
Well, that one is your problem...

No, Brendaniel, that one is not my problem.

Its like rain. When the pain starts I will not be the only one crying ebi npá wa because bad and non-caring politicians are in power.

Its after all not like I am buying my petrol for ₦2000 when everyone else is getting theirs for ₦200. And I don't rely on minimum wage.