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Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 8:25pm On Jun 07, 2022
triplechoice:
Others have at different times recounted the same to me.
You are very amusing. I noticed you said you've influenced people with what you say. I see you doing it here.

First you started by claiming science, the use of my senses, is fallible, which I admit, then you ask me to accept what someone injected into your sense of hearing as so just because you have.

Forgive me for trusting my senses a lot more.

triplechoice:
So the question now, would be ,how do I know if they were not just making up those stories?
You use your senses of course, if you want to know at least, or you may not bother with sense use and just believe it because you were told it, but forgive me if I call you Adam. I am, of course, Eve.

triplechoice:
If your daughter of about 4 , suddenly looks into your eyes and tell you " daddy, I know you before. I was your girlfriend in unilag But in final year, I died in a car accident" and then mentions her name and ask if you still remember ?
Maybe you'd get it if I present it to you in another way.

If your daughter of about 4, suddenly looks into your eyes and tells you "daddy, I am a boy".....

Think carefully. Is it not more logical someone is telling your daughter stories and you are not using your mind?

Sorry triple. I have been rude.
Romance › Re: There Is Nothing Like True Love! by budaatum:
HellVictorinho4:
I will seek from people that are not like budaatum because I deserve to be assisted even if it's financially.
Why do you deserve to be assisted?

What makes you any more deserving than most here?

HellVictorinho4:
It's because there should and there must be people better than budaatum and MaxInDHouse who accept that I'm correct here.
To reader

If you accept that HellVictorinho is correct, or not, please let him know. I would appreciated if you let him know how too.
Politics › Re: Police Statement On Owo Attack by budaatum: 5:27pm On Jun 07, 2022
Oplomo:
Usual rhetoric.

Naptu2 where is your girlfriend Ishilove? I'm surprised you both are not everywhere blaming IPOB and ESN for this one.
Or some blaming Fulani and cattle.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 4:56pm On Jun 07, 2022
Obrigardo:
One thing that will put a dent in Criminal trump's ongoing attempt at another coup will de to DISQUALIFY HIM FROM EVER HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE!
And that is the way Congress will go after the January 6th hearings and when Criminal trump gets indicted either way in his multiple criminal investigations.
I hope Congress do not disqualify him. It would seem very despotic and fourth worldish if they do instead of showing Americans the evidence so they vote to decide. Unfortunately, many will believe there was and is bamboo in the kraken and reelect him I think, which will let him go nuclear on swampism unless there's a stand in the way of turkeys voting for Christmas and the dead I raise vote otherwise.

A drumpthf presidency will surely bring in a new world order of swampy sorts just as he brought in the new world order of alternative facts and kraken.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 4:04pm On Jun 07, 2022

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 3:58pm On Jun 07, 2022
triplechoice:
Because some reincarnation stories are unrealible,, then the realible ones should be discounted?
Are they not discounted, as in found unworthy of consideration because they lack credibility, precisely because they are unreliable and stories, Triple?

Some consideration is after all done to check if the stories have credibility which they are found to lack.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:39pm On Jun 07, 2022
benalvino3:
When he beats Stacey we will know if he stole the election. let's not forget, he was accused and is still being accused of stealing the election way before trump. I don't think he stole it before and I don't think he stole it now, and I will probably not think he steals it in the future when Stacey lose again.
Or wins, hopefully. With all the dead I intend to raise from India and elsewhere mail-in-voting for her.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:37pm On Jun 07, 2022
Obrigardo:
Criminal trump's presidency was swamp 5.0. Five dimensional swamp universe, the most corrupt cabinet in American history and a gang-o-grifters network that the Criminal trump got together.

Documenting the scam and crime of Criminal trump's presidency and cabinet is going to take hundreds of full threads and over 72 hours constant documentation.
Funny isn't it. The entire economy inflated with alternative facts but so long as the peons were feeding on free money no one complained till now the trough is drying.

Pretty much like the Jonathan regime with the masses feeding on the little while the plenty was ghanamustgoed and soakawayed.

The future is looking pretty bleak till the swamp is truly cleaned up which is going to take a while. Then, New World Order.
Romance › Re: There Is Nothing Like True Love! by budaatum: 3:29pm On Jun 07, 2022
HellVictorinho4:
I can see you're short of words owing to your inability to see well..... I seem less to you because you can't see well.
You don't seem less to me, hell. I'm just not sensitive to your obsessiveness with buda who you think is responsible for you.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 6:10am On Jun 07, 2022
benalvino3:
The FBI and CIA already demonstrate it for you and you closed your eyes,
FBI and CIA know the accusation of trump about Russia and pee pee tape was a lie, they drag an imaginary investigation for years hoping they could trap Trump for lying. The Special Council Muella does not know the facts of the investigation he is doing.

So we have a bogus accusation being displayed as a true investigation by the FBI and CIA

While Former CIA... See below.

This is the pattern you will always see.
All this while the swamp was president? Pity he filled it some more.
Romance › Re: There Is Nothing Like True Love! by budaatum: 3:36am On Jun 07, 2022
budaatum:
Heartless buda is responsible for and insensitive to how HellVictorinho seems.
HellVictorinho4:
Finally,we agree on something.


That's what I was telling budaatum some time ago.


But I must say budaatum's definition of love is worse than faeces.

Yet the bastard says it's for everyone to eat.

The bastard also says the faeces is more beneficial than the love of ants.


Of course,the bastard would say I'm lying because it feels you deserve faeces as love.

If you don't accept the faeces,it would say you're mentally ill or filled with bullcrap.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:12pm On Jun 06, 2022
benalvino3:
So when you have bipartisanship in stating something that is demonstrably true it becomes meaningless - buda with his thought process.
Don't you think you should first demonstrate it is true?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 6:44pm On Jun 06, 2022
BasedUsername:
Hasn't the term 'deep state' been used across the political spectrum for decades to refer to corrupt government officials and politicians? When did it become a right wing thing?
Yes it has, by both the left the right and the centre, which pretty much makes it meaningless at best.

Just ask yourself if you seriously think all those accused of deep statism could possibly unite and work together. Egos, if nothing else, would likely get in the way. That said, there are some who are them while we are us.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 1:10pm On Jun 06, 2022
Timiofak:
“Deep state” grin

They are numerous movies dating back years that have always said there is a group of elites that controlled the affairs of the world by causing havoc in secret

It is not real

And if by any means it is real; you can’t pretend that people like trump or musk or Bezos won’t be part

They are literally by products from defuncts establishment managed by “deep states”

So it makes no sense. You claim there is a deep state yet support billionaires that made a chance of wealth from this “deep state” it is ludicrous and makes absolutely no sense.
It's either deep state or new world order.
Conspiracy 101 for magas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIZcnmuolI
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 1:06pm On Jun 06, 2022
Livelystone01:
My target is studying two industries for some time now, pharmaceuticals and EV, especially breakthrough products and see when to push in.
Stay away from EV SPACs!

https://wolfstreet.com/2022/05/30/ev-spacs-warn-about-running-out-of-cash-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-craziest-stock-bubble-ever/
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:47pm On Jun 03, 2022
basilico:
One day this song will be elevated to a national anthem grin grin grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYb9sRLUDyM
Like your leader you'd neither read a book nor go to the theatre and would have likely just watched a film.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 5:38pm On Jun 03, 2022
benalvino3:
Says the guy who thinks he is not successful because of the white man. TV and liberal news taught him that.
I wonder how successful me can possibly think anyone stops me being successful, but then one must expect you to make up crap in your head and believe it and then assume your crap applies to buda, you very poor sod.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 5:34pm On Jun 03, 2022
triplechoice:
But our brains and the overall human body is just an extension of who we are inside.

They know so much about the outside but not much of the inside.
"They" Triple? Do you listen to them like you'd listen to a pastor perhaps, and unquestionably believe whatever they say? Even scientists don't unquestionably believe what other scientists say!

I have carried my inside around with me since the day I was born and I can't say I know so much about my inside, but I do know that my brain is just a part of my body and if you remove my brain from my body neither could exist alone, and neither would you look at any one part of buda and claim that is buda. I hope.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 5:27pm On Jun 03, 2022
This is clearly not science, triple, despite the fact that you produced it with your mind, and if you are the scientist you claim to be you'd at least show how you came to your conclusions so they can be tested instead of presenting us with your very subjective unverified beliefs.

The only energy "that is responsible for the "creation" of our world and its content" is called God, which is a different way of saying "I don't really have a clue but instead of doing science to ask and knock and seek, I'll just give up and fill the gap with believed crap".

With apologies.

triplechoice:
Most of the things I will explain here has been stripped of the usual spirituality attached to it elsewhere.

So ,instead of the word, spirit or soul, terms like energy or true self (core consciousness) is used instead. There are all the same, but different ways of naming the same thing.

1.Our material bodies, a product of biology, is formed in our mother's womb; its not what we are.. Our true selves which exist as a force field of energy has occupied the material body at birth, after it has evolved to a point where it's now capable of generating conscious independent thoughts that can be expressed through a physical body.

This energy that we are, is sourced from the purest form of energy that is responsible for the "creation" of our world and its content. This pure energy is present in all thingnd It's not a blind arbitrary force. It has intelligence , and the evidence of this, is seen in the intelligent design of our world.

In some groups, this purest form of energy that we're drawn from, is often refer to as spirit due to the unique features it possesses, and the peculiar characteristics it displays at different levels of manifestation. Others have personified this energy as God .

Before we begin to occupy human bodies, we have been evolving as energy from the mineral state , where we were unconscoius ,to the animal state. ,where we acted mostly with insincts, and finally the human state where we are now fully conscious, with the ability to generate independent thoughts which finds material expression through a modulating brain that has the capacity to trigger our bodies to act on such thoughts.

We exist within our bodies as a force field of aware energy. . We are not "floathing" inside our bodies as this energy that we are , is present in every single cell in order to enliven our bodies.. Those gifted with the special ability to "see" what others can't, are able to picture our true selves as a globe of brilliant white light within us.They are not hallucinating because what they see can be validated.



Those who have had out of body experience or near death experience usually report seeing themselves surrounded by a brilliant white light or they are the light itself. Pure energy can either manifest as light or sound..


However, those out of body experiences are not properly understood by religious people who have misinterpreted it, and have been using it as a validation for their religious beliefs. Individual scientists who have also tried to explain it, don't understand it very well , and have hastily labeled it as hallucination caused by the brain.

The re are two kinds if OBE; one ,hallucinatory and the other, not, but the two has been conflated as one both by religious people and scientists who experience and investigate it.



In the final part, I will tthrow more light on OBE to clear the misconception surrounding it.

2. We are not conscious of who we are as energy because at birth when we occupied our physical bodies crreated in our mothers womb , we automatically took on the perspective of the human body, and then sort of got hypnotized into thinking we are a body and not different from it.

It is difficult to see any separateness anymore, as we have gotten so attached to the body we occupy that we now feel what it feels through the brains attached to it.

Cases of children who unfortunately found themselves growing up amongst animals and ended up behaving like the animals that adopted them are a good parallel to help us understand better what I am trying to explain
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 5:18pm On Jun 03, 2022
benalvino3:
Sometimes I see what's going on in the US and realised how the TV series: prison break was trying to tell us there is an elite that runs a lot of things. In that TV series the deepstate is called : the company.
An intelligent person would not be surprised you allow yourself to be educated by a TV. It's a tool drumpthgp used effectively to fool magas like you into believing in kraken.

budaatum:
When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!".

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry. "There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 4:58pm On Jun 03, 2022
triplechoice:
@Lordreed

Please.go through the link below and find the current position of neuroscientist when it comes to mind and consciousness.

A lot of disclaimer was issued to warn the public not to accept as conclusive some of the claims being spread on the net by a few dissenting neuroscientist.
https://jonlieffmd.com/blog/the-limits-of-current-neuroscience
Neuroscientist probably know more when it comes to mind and consciousness than just about any field out there, and this is due to their use of science and it's methods, and however you wish to look at it, we humans have come a very long way from when the mind and consciousness were things only women have and which made them converse with a supposed serpent.

The problem starts when you read what they say as if it were gospel that you must believe instead of using your senses to understand what is presented to you.

Note that different neuroscientist are presenting different views here. The scientific method would be used by we humans to sift out the wheat from the chaff in the end, just as pre-corpernicus and pre-gallileo was sifted out by the use of the senses, and as the gods are being sifted out by the use of the senses.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 4:45pm On Jun 03, 2022
triplechoice:
Anyone who has taken their time to read the other parts of what I wrote, would have understood that by mentioning science and the scientific method, I was talking of how it is understood by expert scientists, and not your subjective understanding of it which you brought in to make me look stupid; that I don't know the meaning of science and the scientific method, and that you, a non scientist, know it more than me ,so you want to lecture me.
Why would I want you to look stupid when in fact I only responded because I found what you wrote to be intelligent and worthy of my time and consideration? Are you using your senses properly, Triple, or just trying to show how one can be limited with their use?

We are not competing, triple, or I am at least not competing with you. We are supposedly learning by engaging with each other through our senses which is how we learn and know more, unless one is so closed minded that one assumes one knows it all already.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 4:34pm On Jun 03, 2022
triplechoice:
I only tried to highlight the limitations of the scientific method to support my argument that there are things in life science will never make us know or understand.
The human being is limited, triple, and we make the best of it that we can. The scientific method is just that, a method of using the senses, which you acknowledge with its rigour of training far outstrips any other method of sense use and training as shown by the evidence such use has produced. And the best way to understand just about anything is you using your own senses to query and learn about such things.

Still, kindly present a better method than the scientific use of one's own senses to learn and and know and understand instead of asking me to use the senses of my Lordreed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 3:58am On Jun 03, 2022
triplechoice:
I am afraid you have brought in a red herring to distract and confuse me.

I just woke from it now .Your subjective definition of science and what means to be a trained scientist is what has brought us here.

Using one's sense of judgement alone (your definition of what it means be a trained scientist) to make sense of the impression coming through your five physical senses ( sense of smell, taste and so on) ,which is actually what I was referring to will not make you an expert in the sciences.

Your brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements.

I understand from a lay man point of view , we all can be scientists, but those in the main body of the sciences see it differently.

So, my buda, you're not a scientists just because you can make use of your sense of judgement to interpret the world around you.

My argument is not focused on what it means to be a scientist.
You've noticed my red herring definition of science. I'm glad. Note I neither said "trained scientist" nor "expert in the sciences". I red herringed scientist Jesus too.

We humans have no other tools than our senses with which to receive data about the world, and our minds are what we use to make sense of the data that we receive, so I can't think of any other way to learn about the world than to use one's senses to receive data and interpret it with one's mind is my point, and a'scientist' red herringed by me as one who has gone through the rigorous training to use one's senses properly, should be more competent at least in their specific sphere of inquiry at so doing. I mean, see as you disqualified lay person me, lol.

Yes, my "brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements", a fallibility I already admitted to, but the rigour of experimentation learned by a 'scientist' would make one ask and knock and seek so one can separate the wheat from the chaff.

I am not trying to "distract and confuse" you. I'm engaging with your intelligent mind.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 5:28pm On Jun 02, 2022
TenQ:
Angels, Demons etc have a spirit body by which they have their identities even though they are not physical beings.

Humans are blessed to have in addition to their physical bodies their spirit bodies by which they can have a spiritual expression and identities (just like they used to have their physical identities.)

Therefore at death, a man's soul expression is through his spirit body.
But what exactly is this spirit body?

Does it have a function, and where and how can it be found?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 11:25pm On Jun 01, 2022
BasedUsername:
Imagine not knowing how to build a fire, hunt, fish, farm, perform first-aid, or defend yourself. You will be useless during any crisis.
A crisis where, based. Is Russia invading America or something I don't know about?

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 11:21pm On Jun 01, 2022
TenQ:
You said:

How can you say Jesus NEVER said...while you deny compilations of words Jesus spoke?
I was being pedantic. And I do not deny "compilations of words Jesus spoke". If I denied "compilations of words Jesus spoke" I would not be quoting the words that I read Jesus spoke.

TenQ:
I wish I understood what you are saying here but I don't.
Every human being who dies sheds his physical body but retains his spirit body.
What is a "spirit body"?
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 11:12pm On Jun 01, 2022
triplechoice:
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough.

The scientific method of inquiry,not just using one's senses alone to know things, is what I called a human construct. It was developed by humans. Those who practice science as a discipline are giving rigorous training under this method so they can use it to properly make observation and conduct experiments to confirm what is observed.
First, we are discussing complex things, so however clear you attempt to be will likely hit against my own fallibility. Accept my apologies. I am honoured that you try to make yourself clear.

triplechoice:
The scientific method of inquiry,not just using one's senses alone to know things, is what I called a human construct. It was developed by humans. Those who practice science as a discipline are giving rigorous training under this method so they can use it to properly make observation and conduct experiments to confirm what is observed.
The method of using the senses properly might have been constructed and taught and rigorously trained, triple, but the sense (the eye, for instance, and its ability to be used to see) itself is not a human construct, and it is the use of the senses that they have rigorously trained under this method so they can use it properly. The tautology is intended.

The methodology is a "human construct" that evolved out of the ignorant misuse of the human senses into what it has become today and which we can witness by the numerous human achievements, and destructions I dare add, that are before us.

triplechoice:
The scientific method can't be perfect because as humans we don't know everything about the world we live in to be able to come up with a perfect method to interpret it.
No one is claiming that the scientific method, which is purely a method of using one's human senses, is perfect. Afterall if my eye itself is dim, no amount of method can make me see clearly. However, that same scientific method is what would make me consider the dimness of my eye and find a way to overcome my deficiency of "don't know everything about the world we live" and continuously test my interpretations. The intention after all is to learn about the world, which I would not be doing if I already knew everything about the world. Perhaps I should first use my senses to realise that I should show some humility because I don't know everything about my own little village, not to talk of my state or my country, and the world is big!

triplechoice:
How do we arrive at the conclusion that our world( also the extended universe) and it's contents is only interpreted by our senses which are limited, and the scientific method which trained scientist admit are not also perfect, if not that we believe it to be so?
I do not understand what you've said there. Who is arriving at what conclusion, triple, and what content is being "interpreted by our senses", and what other method or tool would you like to be used, and what the heck is it that "we believe it to be so"?

Personally, I can't see how I can come to a conclusion about the road I am about to cross if I do not interpret its content with my own senses, despite my limitations, because of the scientific method with which I have experimented to determine the best and safest way to cross roads. And I do not merely believe it to be so, for experience as perceived by my very own senses have shown me that it is so such that I can safely say I know how to cross roads safely, despite the limitations of my senses and my ability to use them, I dare add.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by budaatum: 10:16pm On Jun 01, 2022
TenQ:
What other means can you know what Jesus said or not said to make this claim?
There is no other way, just be aware its like claiming Chinua Achebe's Okonkwo said, since no one was there recording it. Or better still, the read all about it in the newspaper of today.

Note we also read that he was killed and that he died.

TenQ:
Of course, men can kill the Body.
There is no denial that men has power to destroy and kill the body.
If you kill the body of buda buda will die and no one would be particularly concerned about the spirit of buda if it does not die too, yet as I said, the Spirit of the Christ that we read people were yelling "Crucify Him! Crucify Him" and whom we then read was nailed to a cross and stabbed and poisoned and died, lives in spirit, it is said, and the huge number of people who wake up on Sunday mornings to go worship in temples built to worship His Spirit and hopefully learn from it too testify to this fact. If after you kill the body of buda people build temples and worship buda then buda too will live in spirit, though all the Gods must forbid it, I say.

Personally, I think Jesus would say of some temples, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” But I'm certain he'd temper his rage with the fact that the labourers must eat too.
Romance › Re: To The Homosexuality Advocate/apologist. by budaatum: 3:09pm On Jun 01, 2022
NeckingNgulping:
Way back then, i went against homosexuality with every bit of me, advocated against it to the extent that I lost my voice. Then, i realised that i was only doing myself no good -drained all of my energies fighting a fight i can't win, so i decided to let them live.

What's the point fighting someone who's hell bent on doing what makes them happy? They say the sexuality is innate. I got some other issues to deal with.
You realised how ridiculous you were fighting another for what they do with their priq, lol.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 2:52pm On Jun 01, 2022
feedthenation:
Video: Proud Boy member denied entry to Trump rally because PB or QAnon symbols are not be allowed

They must have hired Democrats to man the door and apply cancel culture.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 2:48pm On Jun 01, 2022
BasedUsername:
"We just want common sense Islam control."
"Ban assault Muslims."
Did you not say such labels are meaningless, based?

What is an "assault Muslim"?

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