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PDPGuy:
With England ending mask mandates/social distancing requirements from next week, we may see the same policy play out in the US and other Western countries

Its a political decision, I think. We are losing the will to be locked down and the government is losing its authority to lock us down.

Unfortunately, deaths are trending upwards, 3 weeks after the festivity lockdown, and will likely increase.

LordReed:
Yeah but you are defining the way it was formed not what it is constituted of.

It is constituted of light. Though, saying that one could argue the light just allows one to see the shadow.

My light school was like 40 years ago, my Lord. Let me go do some learning and come back on this one.

Damn! See wuruwuru!

budaatum:
Material, is of a different order, though that does depend on usage. A physical thing would have a material, one might like to think, but an emotion, which is a non- physical thing (depending on opinion of course), lacks physical material for instance, even though emotions are physically felt. (Hmm! Physically felt like a slap, or psychologically felt, I now wonder.)

I feel implied that an emotion has material, lol, by distorting with the adjective, 'physical'.

Do emotions have material?

budaatum:
Spirits too lack physical material, and I will hesitate on their existence, which I wouldn't do regarding a shadow or darkness that I can witness and see and even measure, but I would not argue that spirits are not things, because I'm obviously here discussing it as a thing even though it has much less material, in my opinion, than a shadow has.

This is much better, though that adjective!

Does 'non-physical matter' exist?

Examples please.

elated177:
Budaatum, each time you pen down your views, you expose yourself the more.

This is very True. Its like I take off my clothing and walk about naked so that that which is unseen is seem. The pity is, not many have the patience to look so they may see.

You, however, delight me. You say you use your eyes to look so you may see, so please do not hesitate to inform those who see not so they too may look at what you see and consider.

elated177:
Never mind. Just know that we are here to expose your wickedness, budaatum.

buda always minds. Lets see if, Amen.

May the Lord thy God Almighty continue to strengthen you to expose the mote in the eyes of buda if that is what the Lord thy God requires of thee. In the mighty Name of Jesus Christ the Messiah doth buda pray.

This is what is killing Boris. He behaved pretty much like a mini-drumpthfp and we Brits can't hold our noses like q do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBkNUGjhZxU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEvUnoTMlc

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/conservatives/who-is-owen-paterson-what-do-wrong-tory-mp-resigned-lobbying-sleaze-explained-1285872

See how we react here:

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-defects-to-labour-telling-boris-johnson-he-is-incapable-of-offering-leadership-12519919

Local government elections are in May. We expect Boris to be treated like Biden will be in the mid-terms. The government in power will always be blamed for whatever happens under their watch especially if they misshandle their responses like drumpthfp did and we have a misshandlef pandemic of inflation. It would have been a great opportunity for reelection drumpthfp
had handled Covid properly. But for his ego, Biden would never have been president.

And poor Theresa May!

LordReed:
Yes but can you explain how a shadow is made of light and is not made of light at the same time. As far as I know that is impossible.

"Made of", I suppose, would be layperson speak for, the light creates the shadow.

Shadows are made by the manipulation of light, my Lord. Without a light source, you can't have shadows (nor light, obviously), so the light source makes (or, creates) [the] shadow. No light, no shadow.

basilico:
So there you go. More people have died of COVID-19 under Joe Biden than those under Trump.Joe Biden is a better killer mmmmhh.
I have data to prove it, which I posted here some time ago.
Sexxed up numbers ? This is from CDC n John Hopkins

With the number of antivaxers, more people will die. Do note how Biden is not being blamed for your death.

basilico:
Has Boris lost vote of confidence over his handling of covid ?

Budaatum, also applies to you too.

Boris may lose a vote of confidence because of his hypocrisy, and not because of his handling of covid, which we pretty much appreciate.

You can't ask us to remain locked down not meeting more that 3 people then be partying yourself.

LordReed:
Genrally the light that gets into the shadow area does so by scattering or reflection not by bending but of course you can have scenarios where both scattering and bending are producing an effect.

Is scattering not just bending in various different directions simultaneously?

LordReed:
They are made by light being blocked so how can they be made of light? It's like saying they are light and not light simultaneously.

In a way, that is what I am saying. You can't have a shadow if you have no light source. You can't have light neither without a light source.

The manipulation of a light source produces light, and shadows, don't you think? The shadow being formed by reducing the effect of the light source by bending the light away from the shadowed area.

Calling something a thing says nothing about its material or its existence.

Emotions are clearly things, as is a pot and shadows, and a source of light. Even spirits are things, as are Gods, and we would argue about their existence.

Material, is of a different order, though that does depend on usage. A physical thing would have a material, one might like to think, but an emotion, which is a non- physical thing (depending on opinion of course), lacks physical material for instance, even though emotions are physically felt. (Hmm! Physically felt like a slap, or psychologically felt, I now wonder.)

Spirits too lack physical material, and I will hesitate on their existence, which I wouldn't do regarding a shadow or darkness that I can witness and see and even measure, but I would not argue that spirits are not things, because I'm obviously here discussing it as a thing even though it has much less material, in my opinion, than a shadow has.

LordReed:
If light passes through certain medium it will bend eg water. It doesn'tmater what the source of light is, it will bend in water.

Is it not the same bending of light that forms shadows, my Lord?

I mean, shadows are after all, a reduction of the full source of the light on the shadowed area. If no light at all gets to the shadowed area, that area would be in no-light, as in, darkness, as opposed to some light reaching the shadowed area to form a shadow.

DeepSight:
I see: clearly, we have been very careless thus far. We are not using the word "thing" in the same way (and we probably are not using the words "material", immaterial" and "mind" in the same way either. If we must proceed, we absolutely must each define each of these words as they apply this conversation.

This is generous, and is why I got involved in this thread in the first place, the fact that words may mean different things ro different people, which gets in the way of fruitful communication.

There is a difference between the religious use of words and other uses of the same words especially words with scientific implications, and even those of the same religion may mean different things with the same word, which we all should mind.

Your absence was duly noted, by the way. Moreso now that you have returned with a presence to enlighten the place by reducing the darkness.

Myer:
I see where the issue is now.
Calling light a matter is actually a misnomer cos light is an Energy.
Matter of course being anything with mass and occupied space.
So neither light or darkness is matter.
You can have Light energy and I believe you can likewise have dark energy.

So I get your point. They both exist.

Thank you sir.

LordReed:
You can manipulate light independently of its source. For example you can make light bend.

How?

basilico:
I have a conspiracy theory. This term was invented by the CIA.

My therory goes thus.
Vaccinations are having some impact on virility. Maybe my 5 hours GMT ahead have something to do with it
Those vacciness might be reducing virility.
But do I say. I have sired And done my duty as per the normal human being of procreation to the world.
To ladies like the one I wont mention.Memstrual cycles may have been disrupted by the vax..

We dont have to keep fighting and being
macho.

So, you now want to form a conspiracy that the vaccine jab you had reduced your virility, and from that you want to promote a lie about someone else's cycles?

Typical drumthfpism!

Rational people will not have elected drumpthf at the last election, ono. He denied the existence of corona virus for too long, and when he finally recognised it he wasn't taking it seriously. Families that lost members to it could not possibly have voted for him. You can't have a covid induced vacancy at the dinner table and rationally vote for drumptgh, generally.

Oh! And Americans are no more rational than people elsewhere. I'd in fact claim they can be as irrational as we Nigerians, especially when you count the vast number of q-nuts.

ono:
Yet Americans are rational people, generally. They know Joe is dull. Even if they want Trump out (which I doubt), how was it possible that old dull Joe garnered the highest presidential votes in American voting history - simply by crooning from his basement in Delaware? Also, remember that Trump had 12 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And the Jackass managed to pull record crowd at a Trump PAC rally in Florence, AZ last Saturday, a year after losing to old Joe. All his rallies have set crowd records - since he left office! And Schumer is quaking in his boots at the mention of the name "Trump". Piglosi Pelosi is losing her mind!

All these shows inherent inconsistencies and the fact that the election was stolen - fair and square!

triplechoice:
Oh. I mistakenly quoted you instead of Lordreed.

It was meant for him not you..

But then, I know things are not necessary effects but he , Lordreed, seems to use that word to "carry" so many things along to make easy to change is position when it doesn't favor him.

I was surprised, I confess, but felt I better just accept your accusation since one could say the same about me too.

We are discussing complex words here, and we do not always mean the same things by their use. Please forgive us all. You included.

Myer:
Know this one thing. Darkness is the absence of light. Light is the matter.

I do agree somewhat with this by the way, though I would say darkness is the absense of a source of illumination which produces the matter called light by reducing the (matter) called darkness.

Funny. Has anyone noticed we are arguing that a natural state of things called darkness is being denied its existence just because we shed light on it?

Go on, turn the light off. Tell me the darkness you obviously see does not exist or is not a thing with substance.

Myer:
Know this one thing. Darkness is the absence of light.
Light is the matter.

You can see the source of light.
You can control light.
The intensity of light can be calculated.

Darkness on the other hand is just what you get in the absence of light.
You don't calculate the intensity of darkness. You calculate the intensity of light.

Myers, I am in darkness at the moment. My meter tripped. I will go untrip it so I have my light back.

Am I not therefore not simply manipulating something to produce a light source to eliminate darkness?

One can calculate the intensity of darkness, by the way. You do so by measuring the intensity of light.

Zero light = darkness.
100% Light = zero darkness

LordReed:
They do differ my dear buda. The physical substance creating the effect is different from the effect. Here's a way we can tell, you cannot manipulate the image or shadow without manipulating the physical substance creating the effect.

I am going to manipulate my meter so I have light. The damn thing tripped!

Consider the following:

You cannot manipulate the light image or shadow or without manipulating the physical substance creating the light effect.

Do you agree? And does that make light immaterial?

triplechoice:
I think you're deliberately using the word , effect, so you can escape from being pinned down on anything.
effects can range from the intangible to tangible.

I rather you used the word, things, instead of effect.

I want to see how exactly the material can produce the immaterial that would be devoid of material substance

I am deliberately using all the words I write, Triple. That's what philosophy and reasoning is about.

Things, are not effects. That I think is what my Lord is teaching me. Though he seems to muddle some things with effects.

Light, for instance, is an effect. Shadow is an effect, and Myers newly introduced, darkness is an effect too. All are caused by different degrees of illuminations.

I will claim they are 'things' too. My light just went out and I can see the darkness. The Sun, the source of illumination, sets early where I live.

Myer:
Hasn't he established this already with the light and shadow illustration?

Light is material, darkness is immaterial.
Darkness is simply the absence of light.
Shadow is created when a substance blocks light. A shadow is not matter.

I do not think my Lord said "darkness is immaterial", Myer. If he did, we'd have an even greater disagreement.

Consider the following:

Light is the presence of illumination, which is a product of a light source.

Darkness is a presence of zero illumination, as in, an absence of a light source.

Shadow is the presence of partial illumination, as in, the partial blocking of the source of the illumination.

Can I not therefore claim, light is immaterial, and that it is the source of the light that is material?

Lol! My light just literally turned to zero!

LordReed:
Just tell me what substance shadow is made of.

Are shadows not made of light?

LordReed:
EDIT: You didn't directly manipulate the shadow which was the point of the 'experiment'. You can't directly manipulate the shadow you can only manipulate the things that give rise to the shadow. Similarly you don't directly manipulate the words on your screen you are manipulating a processor which is the one actually facilitating the output on your screen. And like a shadow the output of your screen is not made of substance, it is light selectively blocked. The light that is not blocked is what enables you to see the words.

Sounds like, things I do not directly manipulate are immaterial, according to you.

I am baking bread. Or at least I would have thought I was before this. I am not directly manipulating the baking process, not after the mixing and kneading. Its in the oven, baking. So I am not baking bread anymore. The bread is being baked by the oven.

I could be driving (manipulating) a car, but since the engine is burning the oil that moves the car, I guess I am not really directly driving the car, especially since even turning the wheels in the direction I want to go is not directly done by me.

I am being absurd, of course.

LordReed:
Some material interactions give rise to effects that are non-material. Most of these effects are unseen, some like a shadow can be seen.

Love the qualification with "interactions".

Your interaction produced the internal non-material effect that caused me to materially smile.

MrPresident1:
Buda for eartum aka budaatum you did not answer this question since 2021

I did answer you. buda created the thread.

killmods:
Ignorance.. the death here is not a physical one of the body but a spiritual one. A complete separation from God. The fall of mankind. And Jesus was the means of reconciliation to life from death ( separation from God)

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

So, Adam and Eve died a spiritual death, then they went on to bear children and populate the earth with billions of people, and you call that a separation from God?

budaatum:
Like claiming "surely die" is spiritual death?
I get you.

O Lord God Almighty, please let my spiritual death be as productive as the spiritual death of Adam and Eve, in Jesus Mighty Name, amen.

If I spiritually die and then go on to live for a tenth as long as we read they went on to live, and achieve a billionth of what we read they then went on to achieve, I think Nigeria and probably the entire world will make me at least a minor god, though I'd have to insist they don't bow down and worship me but just do greater things than I would have done.

elated177:
I don't know about Jesus, but I know that Yahushua the Messiah is the God of the Scriptures. He and his Father, my Father, YHVH Almighty, are one. He is the Word of the Father.

I do have to admit that I do not quite know the Scriptures you are talking about that mentions a "Yahushua the Messiah is the God of the Scriptures".

Show me the Scripture you read please.

elated177:
Does it mean you have gods?

It means I have no Gods at all.

elated177:
Since you do not know the God of the Scriptures, which you call Bible, why did you assert that Yahushua the Messiah is not the one?

You seem to be claiming "God of the Scriptures" and Jesus Christ, are the same entity.

And please stop with the lying. I do know the Scriptures refer to a God and to Jesus.

elated177:
Can you see how satanic your assertions there are?

What I can see is people like you claiming those with different understandings to what you have must be satanic. They [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010%3A1-21&version=NIV]said the same about Jesus Christ[/url] so I must be in good company.

ono:
But how did this guy win the presidential election?

https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/18/besides-trump-biden-is-the-most-unpopular-president-in-80-years/

The guy he ran against was a jackass!

Did someone inform you that buda works for CNN and must therefore provide reasons for what CNN do or say?

I am waiting to see what those responsible do or say about Ray Epps instead of allowing you or CNN to tell me what I must think.

benalvino3:
you are not fooling anyone.

I am asking you why is CNN supporting someone that is putting on a trump hat, was at the insurrection. CNN wanted to lynch a 16-year-old kid for the crime of putting on a MAGA hat, why is it that they support this trump Qanon zombie who believed the election was stolen?

Why is the FBI not arresting him while they have locked people up who did significantly less?

How can you wait? you are waiting for the media or the FBI to tell you?
Can't you see from your own eyes that he was instigating people to storm the capitol?
We are asking why is he not being charged like others who did less... we don't care who ray Epps is at the moment. arrest him first.

Since 9/11 the FBI has been manufacturing crimes and entrapping people. this is well documented.