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IjeBos:
when I'm in Naij, I have to adjust the way I think and do things.

I don't have this issue, by the way. I carry my British way of thinking and doing things wherever I go, and refuse to stoop to whatever the Nigerian level may be.

But that's me. Milage definitely differs.

Jakarta:
If you say don't have money to perform these responsibilities of yours, then manage what you see.

And I agree with you.

Or are disco not managing what they see?

IjeBos:
I think we have had this debate.

And I am not willing to have it again, thank you very much.

Jakarta:
Simple read it loud so it gets into your head. In as much they (Discos) don't provide these meters, and other equipments (which is their responsibility) then OYO. Manage what you see be it beating during disconnection, hanging after disconnection, etc OYO is their name.

You seem to be having some serious difficulty understanding that I agree with you that if disco cheat you by asking you to buy meter, you will steal from them by illegally connecting wire to steal their electricity.

So I am going to now ignore you until you show you understand.

Good day Jakarta.

ijebosb:
But of course you wouldn't know that. Because you don't live in Boston, nor the US.

Actually, it's because he is îgnorant and too lazy to research and learn.

IjeBos:
I saw South Bay Center and wondered who was posting it. I was at the the Target there yesterday.
And of course it's Basilico spamming the forum.

Good thing is, it's very easy to just scroll past him without reading his spam.

Just the thought of one like him getting any of my time is enough to make me punish myself by bashing my head against a wall. Even this response to you about him deserves a punishment, but it's worth it to appreciate you debunking his spam.

Sorry, but I would rather “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord", than just believe!

If I just believe I will be an ignorant slave who has not learnt to know how to reason, and that's like being given fish instead of learning how to fish.

Mosco100:
BELIEVE IN JESUS.
“...Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.”(2 Chronicles 20:20). Amen!

budaatum:
Explain to me how China has destroyed many industries all over the world please.

Scholes007, do know that you have not yet explained how China has destroyed many industries all over the world.

All you did was say Nigeria banned cement and banned rice and banned Tomato paste etc, without saying how China has destroyed many industries all over the world or even in Nigeria.

I'm reminding you because your response is important.

Scholes007:
1.Europe has always been at the helm of the world leadership for the past 8 decades.

Actually, USA has solely been at the helm of the world leadership for the past 8 decades.

Scholes007:
2. USA and European nations made the current world order.

Actually, European nations made the current world order from way back in the 1492 before there was a USA, and it lasted till 1914 when they began to fall.

Scholes007:
3. New world order if it will come, will likely be multi polar so china isn't and will not be the new world order.

But it will likely start with China toppling the head of the current world order which is USA.

Scholes007:
this not about sentiment. Why do you think Nigeria banned cement imports? Why do you think Nigeria banned rice imports? How about Tomato paste? Etc.

Why are you banning cement and you are banning rice and you are banning Tomato paste etc, and not banning phones and computers and cars and everything Dangote used to build Dangote Refinery including even the crude oil we have in abundance, etc?

Is it only cement and rice and tomato paste we want to manufacture in Nigeria and therefore need to ban import of?

Scholes007, the fact that you even mention the word "sentiment" shows you are being sentimental. And I don't care about yours or my own sentiment at all! Please know.

Jakarta:
Were you aware that same Kaduna Electric was owning over ₦600m in tax to the state? The simple solution provide prepaid meters (the responsibility of DisCos) and stop looking for customers to extort with your dubious estimated bills. In as much as you don't provide these meters then OYO.

And how is disco going to find "₦600m in tax to the state" when we are all doing OYO that is the consequence of their ineptitude of not providing prepaid meters? Is it not by "looking for customers to extort with your dubious estimated bills"?

And if they are "looking for customers to extort with your dubious estimated bills" why will we not OYO?

Actually, I think it's my fault that you don't get it, so let me write it in bold for you to read.

In as much as you don't provide these meters then OYO!

Scholes007:
Everyone knows the world order since 1945 is coming to an end. Things are very fluid and power is dynamic. Every indication has shown that there are new power blocs outside Europe and Europe is losing influence both culturally, political and economic hence need for...

Europe lost its power in 1945 when USA became the superpower. Most of Europe didn't finish paying off debt USA till 1990s for saving them from WW2. So why is there this fear that the USA world order that began in 1945 may be coming to an end? Na only USA waka come?

Maybe China will be the new world order, then their turn too will finish, and Nigeria will be the new world order. Na turn by turn.

Scholes007:
I don't understand what you meant entirely but all I can deduce from you is the assumption that I have crude stereotype against China.

You are correct, though a crude stereotypical understanding of communism would be more accurate.

So I want you to show me I'm wrong.

Scholes007:
China has destroyed many industries all over the world.

I do "intend to put a blind eye it or play ostrich"!

Explain to me how China has destroyed many industries all over the world please.

Scholes007:
Example if Nigeria intends to produce, she must protect her industry from Chinese trade dumping.

So, you think you will ban Tecno and tokunboh and I will suddenly buy Made in Nigeria because you protect your industry from Chinese trade dumping?

I think if Nigeria wants to produce, it must first learn how to produce, which is what China did, because most of us Nigerians will not buy made in Nigeria if it is low quality.

And if you are honest, you'd admit the west dumps more rubbish on us than China does, since just about everything we import from the west is secondhand no more used in the west stuff. Or is China now dumping old Technos in Nigeria?

Scholes007:
I'm not anti China but anti communism. When we look closely to history, we will be glad with the current rule based order as lead by the USA. Europe peace is maintained by influence.

Definition of Communism:

Communism is a far-left political and economic ideology aiming for a classless, moneyless, and stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

Is China classless?

Is China moneyless?

Is China stateless?

Is China not rule based?

Is Jack Ma's immense wealth commonly owned by poor peasants?

Please provide your own definition and examples of China's communism.

Scholes007:
......there is a new world order that the US wants to be part of......

I have specifically selected this because.....

Are you saying USA is not already part of the current world order that accepts the US dollar as global currency, and they now want to be part of it?

Or do are you seeing dump's USA drowning out of the new world order that is excluding it, and are now fighting for survival in the new world order that seems to be reducing USA's influence?

Scholes007:
China's Industrial prowess is without doubt unquestionably. But their trade practices has been questionable. Countries has to protect its market because of these practices. Without the western rules based order as lead by the USA, china wouldn't achieve those success.
Remember there has been dispute within the WTO because of these practices like dumping and subsidization which in turn affects other countries industrial capacity.
I understand your appreciation for the quick development of china but her development should not be used to destroy others.

Scholes007, I am Nigerian, and I don't really care if the entire world is destroyed if Nigeria develops like China has developed, because no Gods wrote sufferhead on my Nigerian head! Imagine, minimum wage is £36.82 (₦70k) a month! Am I a slave?

But seriously, China is not destroying others. China needs those others to not be destroyed so they can buy what China manufactures or China will destroy China.

And yes, other countries have to protect their country from questionable trade practices. I do however have no sympathy for countries that did not question their own trade practices when they were practicing them on others but are now questioning when their trade practices are practiced on them. No sympathy at all for such hypocrisy!

nairalanda1:
I hate making this argument, but the truth is, people like being paid. If companies and individuals are not making enough money to provide services and get paid , then issues would start.

You may "hate making this argument" but it is a very true and valid argument to make.

How the füq is a person meant to survive on £36.82 a month anywhere in this global world?

lawani:
People will protest in other places too and still pay. People disconnect to save money everywhere in the world. I think the reason companies are afraid to invest is that they think off-grid solar will become more popular and it may therefore be difficult for them to recoup their investment but that fear may be unfounded because if you consider the cost and lifespan of batteries then solar too is expensive

The reason companies don't invest is, we are too poor for them to charge to recoup their investment. And the little they might invest, we chase them away with cutlass when they come to collect it.

Read Electric Tomatoes. You might see my point.
https://www.nairaland.com/5213303/nigeria-africas-money-losing-machine-forbes/2#78844851

lawani:
So if people in Aba can pay it then other people can pay it as well and what they pay in Aba is still a fraction of what they pay in western countries. Therefore people are ready to pay, it is investors that are backing off. We pay for GSM so we can pay for power

Be fair lawani. Wages in Nigeria is a fraction of what is paid in western world too.

Nigeria's minimum wage is ₦70000 a month, which is £36.82 a month. Minimum wage in London is £14.80 an hour. You do the maths.

Jakarta:
What stops Nigerians Discos from disconnecting governments that don't pay their bills?

Lawlessness stops them. You know what would happen if nepa go cut light for barracks or ministry.

Below is an example.

Kaduna Electric disconnects Governor Sani’s office over N2.9bn Electricity Debt
https://metrodailyng.com/kaduna-electric-disconnects-governor-sanis-office-over-n2-9bn-electricity-debt/

Then

Kaduna State Shut Down Electric Company For Disconnecting Govt Houses Over N2.9bn Debt
https://thewhistler.ng/kaduna-state-shut-down-electric-company-for-disconnecting-govt-houses-over-n2-9bn-debt/

Jakarta:
Are you even reading your own comments, If Discos play their part, why shouldn't I play mine?

Do you seriously think I could possibly write all that without reading it like 10 times?

If you read my comments you'd stop saying "I", and instead say "we".

Disco is not playing their part, so we don't play ours. We are not mumu who play our part with discos who don't play their part.

pu7pl3:
Are you new here?

I'm not here often.

iamoyindamola:
That is the clown we are managing, just ignore it

Harsh, but noted.

WriterNig:
🎥 Greenland 2: Migration (2026) = 6.2/10 ❤️

This is not a series na! Abi I miss something?

Just watched Landman.

It's oil business in Texas with a tiny bit of eyecandy.

Slow, but I'm giving it 7¾, and hate I need to wait for season 3.

What next please?

SpaceX:
We are humans there is always going to be match fixing

It's as old as the game itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing_in_English_football

Marriage doesn't keep men tied to one woman. Loyalty and being a decent man does that all by itself. Nor is marriage bondage, since you can walk out anytime or go cheat.

If you are happy being single, then be single, and wait till you mature enough to know what marriage is instead of listening to immature people who don't have a clue what marriage can be.

Seriously, I feel for this yet to be married generation, because you sure have been misinformed!

ayoncox:
Anyone that has stolen money from Nigeria or any part of the world can bring it to those places.

So, you want to turn Nigeria into the Federal Republic of Thieves?

It's crazy indeed, since we already thief too much as it us. It's like drinking more sniper as a cure for the sniper already drunk.

Jakarta:
A business man with your mindset will not succeed in business. See you shouting stealing, when all your comments was about stealing from your customers. What make you think only you can steal from customers and not vice versa? For every action there is a reaction. If as a DisCo you can't meet up your primary responsibility of distributing power to my house (service delivered) my handling that responsibility for you should result to some form of compensation from you. But if you think that you are smarter and want to make profits at my own detriment, then 2 can play the game it as simple as that. I recommend you don't run a business with this your mindset, because you will end up crumbling that business and receive serious beating from your customers. A farmer who planted Okra and expecting to harvest a Dangote trailer of yam, will almost end up not getting even a a cup of Okra.

More than two is playing this game is the point.

Discos are thieves. They are robbing you when they make you pay for transformers and meter and poles and send you estimated bills, get that in your head.

You are a thief too. You are stealing when you connect wire and steal electricity, get that in your head too. And be patient, because it's not the accusation you think it is because your stealing is very small and insignificant.

You must have read the link I posted that government owes discos ₦4.4T. Basically government is stealing from discos so discos are stealing from you who elected that government by making you pay for poles and transformer and your meter, which is theft.

If government paid discos, that same government will be in a position to protect you from disco stealing from you. But we elect thieves. And those thieves can not hold the discos accountable. And the discos have no incentive to provide us with light they know we will steal. And to reduce their loss due to theft, they steal from you by making you pay for their infrastructure up front because they can.

The consequence of all this theft and stealing is of course darkness. Because, no matter how much you steal, you can't have light when there isn't any to steal. And to be sincere with you, that's the greatest theft, and from you not having light. Because you not having light is a theft of your potential and all you could have done if you did have light.

Solution? Elect government that pays its electric bill so they can stop discos from stealing from you so you don't use disco theft as an excuse for being a thief. Because disco is obviously recuperating its investment and profit and loss due to theft from somewhere, and it's by stealing from you by making you pay for poles and transformer and meter and by increasing the payment of those who pay their bill, or the discos wouldn't be in business anymore. It really is that simple. Funny thing is, for government to pay its bill, it must steal from you in the form of tax. But I guess that's nation building for you. Someone must steal from someone.

Now, this all is not about you personally stealing, because I do understand why you would steal. I steal too because my disco is so useless that it has to steal from me to mitigate its losses due to its incompetence of not having government pay their bill. I have an old meter in one of my homes that I can wind back so it reads less, and I make sure it is read every month when I'm home so I can get a bill.

What the South Africa disco have done is basically tell the Nigeria High Commission to not steal their electricity and just pay their bill or be in darkness. And I hope we learn from them one day because our theft has consequences and darkness is not cheap.

As for my business, I don't do theft business that discos do, and neither does Dangote. We deliver our service and we get paid. And that pay covers investment and refinery building and expenses of getting my gari to market and a decent profit on top, because that is what good business is. And we don't let thieves steal from us neither, and even hedge for loss due to those who might steal from us, because I am definitely not going to let my business get ruined due to theft like the discos are not letting theirs.

Jakarta:
At the bolded, can you please help me ask Disco? No you shouldn't have finished the building, you should have waited for your customers to finish building it for you, and sticking it with garri so that you can sell same garri to them and still make profit.

Can you now settle down and read what you wrote gently? Isn't this what I've been saying all this while? Provide the electric poles, transformers, wires, meters, then transfer the cost to your customers as service rendered. Not expecting customers to provide all this and still expecting to charge them on it, that is stealing not business. Why this thing hard for you to understand?

No, Jakarta, that is not what you have been saying all along, and electric is different to mast.

Disco can not ask you to pay for a service they can not sell you. Like say no transformer or electric pole in your street, they can not just come bring you bill.

Unfortunately, Nigeria is wọwọ like that, so they can tell you to pay for pole to your house, and even transformer on your street, because of people like you who just steal the electric. That's how bird disco flies when you are stealing, and how they make you pay for your theft. Or did you think your theft was free and your theft had no consequences?

Jakarta:
Until then, but stop crying foul till then lol!!

Jakarta, I am not crying foul. And even if I was, it's definitely not because of the little light of my gari you steal when some, like government, are stealing trailer loads.

MrPOTUS:
Lol

Very true.

My own now, I bought about 200 units around that Christmas period last year and light was steady. But January light was crappy and very unstable.

Na the units I still dey use and it's still over 120 units.

But if it was post paid (estimated bill), I for pay for December, still pay for January darkness

Mr nairalanda1 just dey cap like say no be Nigeria we dey

I must come and remove that your prepaid meter, because it's making it impossible for me to rob you with estimated bill. But I won't because you at least pay, and because you are honest with me so I must deal fair with you.

Jakarta, on the other hand, thinks he's smart, and is "by passing and installing transformer, electric poles and wires", so he can steal my light, because some in his "area still do wire hanging till date" and he thinks I will never catch him.

One day go be one day, Jakarta. You wait and see.

Jakarta:
Lol Na meter by passing go use head carryam, after all Na my meter I bought it, installed transformer, electric poles and wires, so free light ba sure. Some in my area still do wire hanging till date.

Until I catch you stealing my product of course, and charge you to court for theft, and slap you with estimated bill covering the period you were stealing it plus interest.

Like I said, the better hunter you become the better I will learn to fly.