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Honestly Bro, I thought i was conversing with a sane human, until I discovered who it was

His reasoning dey baffle me

jaephoenix:
Lol. You thought its a sane person you're arguing with? I was just watching both of you go back and forth. The guy has schiz. He needs an MSE

Still didn't answer my questions.

Excuse me Mr. What facts are you talking of?

Okay lemme use your analogy here, have you seen a God creating humans before? So how did you KNOW that you were created by a God? And how did you KNOW that male was created before female? I need you to provide Ur acclaimed facts here... Hope you know the difference between knowledge and belief?

You're simply ignorant of the word called intelligence, you seem to think is the ability to read and write only. I would advise you to go study intellectual elevating books, and not the one that says: A serpent spoke.

Modified: I just realized who is behind the keys (Dtruth...) bye bye, can't come and be going back and forth with you I don big pass that level, find your level mates Brah...

StillDtruth:
Your inability to provide any counter already settles it.



Off Point! The topic is not the gender of spirits but a reasonable speculation of what God may be and the facts and logic shows that He made a male first, and the bible addresses Him as "Him" and "He" and "His". And was it a female who came to visit Abraham? No! It was male.

And that is why you have no answer.



Off point! We aint talking about smart how smart or not smart the jelly fish is either with brain or no brain. And i am sure you aint seen a jelly fish to see whether it has a brain or not, so you are relying on demsay. And thirdly, jelly fish cannot read and write or create languages or do amazing things worthy of calling it intelligent, so on all grounds, you have no point.

So because the bible said God created Adam first before Eve justifies the fact that God is a male spirit...wait a sec, so spirits now have gender right

Your second answer doesn't show that you have knowledge on the subject matter, it shows that you just believe it is so ... Let's assume God created intelligent things and now you said he gave 'em brain, Okay now, isn't a jelly fish smart? Yet it is without brain! So what do you have to say about this

Veecruz:
Simple: The like Him God made first was a he. And a she came out from a he.

Secondly, as man has proven when creators create any inteligent thing, they always put a "brain"

Mr Man, I salute you specially, but i gotta ask you these:

* How did you know God is a He?

* And how did you know that he gave us brain?

Olachase:
Man situation is non of God business anymore, that's why he God gave us brain


Some people have wasted their precious time in Church and Mosque praying and fasting still they remain poor

Imagine a car dragging road with truck all in the name of I cover my car with the blood of Jesus 😔😔

Modified: It seems I quoted the wrong person, so sorry for this.

Interesting 🤔

Untill you answer my questions succinctly, I won't give you a rebuttal.

Steep:
really mention what humans ever created? So because God said I would bless you it means you don't need to work again? So what are herbs for?
The earth and everything in it belongs to God psalm 24.
Man do not create anything thyme discover them, it has always being there.

So if astronomers knew an meteor is heading the earth it means they are the cause?
You are responsible for your actions good or bad, God knowing what you will do has nothing to do with your actions.

Chaiii🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Guy Jesus uses lots of idioms in his teachings that his disciples have to depend on God's Holy Spirit to grasp the meaning! Matthew 13:13, 34


“Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened. Indeed, which one of you, if his son asks for bread, will hand him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, he will not hand him a serpent, will he? Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him" Matthew 7:7-11

So I say to you, keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you. For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened. Indeed, which father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will hand him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion? Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give HOLY SPIRIT to those asking him!” Luke 11:9-13

I love the highlighted in your comment now consider the two accounts and tell me what Jesus is talking about is it the spirit to do the preaching and teaching work or miracles? Act 4:29-31

Did the miracles later stopped happening in their midst?
Paul answered "YES!"
Why?
Because the miracles is just an evidence that God is no longer in support of Judaism which the Jews practiced until Jesus established Christianity so after the congregation has been firmly established such supernatural gifts ceased among them! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

So what is the work of Holy Spirit that Jesus taught them to ask, seek and knock for?

"But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you." John 14:26

The work of the spirit is in two ways:
GIFTS
FRUIT
The GIFTS according to God's word will not last long because it's work is temporary until the Bible is complete but the FRUIT will continue that's why Jesus said:
"By their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18

Please answer my questions: You said Almighty God created medicine mention the medicine God created.

Does this makes Matt7:7 invalid? Perhaps God would be like; I having given you guys all you need for any illness, so I won't grant any of your wish pertaining healing/sound health.

The materials to make drugs are made by humans.

God knows man would fall and he went ahead to create man that way, then later God would blame and punish man for falling. I know it makes sense to you cause you are a religious person.

Herbs are examples of medicines how

Steep:
The materials to make drugs are created by who?
See God knows man would fall and sin and death would come he has made preparations for it.
The herbs is good gave is and example of medicine it does mean it si limited to that.

You said Almighty God created medicine mention the medicine God created.

Are you aware that herbs are not enough to make most medicines?

Does this makes Matt7:7 invalid? Perhaps God would be like; I having given you guys all you need for any illness, so I won't grant any of your wish pertaining healing/sound health.

Steep:
Almighty God created all things including herbs, medicines and gave men the knowledge to treat and research illness and proffer solution.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Miracles are not done for fancy and human beck and call.
The earth and everything in it is God's property He wants us to make good use of it.

The problem with you JW folks Is that you think you understand the Bible more than anyone else.

I asked a question above and you stylishly avoided it, I will ask again: is Matt7:7 a figurative or Literal passage?

Don't tell me what Jesus meant in that passage, tell me what he said explicitly.

Your questions below, won't help in answering my question.

MaxInDHouse:
From the ACTS OF APOSTLES!

Remember they're the ones who received the information first hand so if you want to apply it then think about those who heard Jesus first hand and how they applied it.

What exactly did they ask for as a group?
Did they ever got sick?
Did they always cure sicknesses miraculously among themselves?

That's how to figure out what their teacher had in mind not the interpretation of your former pastors which never worked for you nor found working in Bible times!

See what Matthew Chapter 7 says:

"7Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks will receive, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to those who knock. 9Would any of you who are fathers give your son a stone when he asks for bread? 10Or would you give him a snake when he asks for a fish? 11Bad as you are, you know how to give good things to your children. How much more, then, will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

So where did you get this your analogy from

MaxInDHouse:
What did Jesus possess material things or ability to do God's work?

According to God's word Jesus participate in the creation of all things so when it comes to repairs whether in the body of human or the forces of nature Jesus has absolute control that's why he could heal/cure any sickness including death and even order air and the sea but as imperfect humans we don't possess such powers so what we can do better than Jesus is the work of preaching and teaching as Jesus had limited time to spend on planet earth while his disciples had all the time until God's Kingdom comes.

So when he said ask, seek and knock he was referring to the ability to do greater works in the preaching and teaching not selfish cravings!

Bros let's not deviate from the discourse.

Is Matt7:7 a figurative or Literal passage?

From your last quote all I see is you trying to defend your God/scripture in a way that would suit your narrative.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that's not how it works God promised some things that only interests honest hearted and sincere individuals so even though what He promised is happening right in the presence of all only honest hearted individuals will appreciate it.

So if you don't know what God promised you're not yet His enemy it's until you clearly understand what He promised and purposed for mankind yet you despise it that's when you become one of His enemies.

For now keep what you think you know because it makes you to be on a safer side the day you know what He purposed for mankind and you despise it then you will have serious issues with Him!

If religious people are always cured miraculously or exempted from various afflictions of this world, I would be a religious person. But untill then I rather remain an Atheist.

That's why all religions are mere cultures that are glorified to be divine.

Worshipping a God out of love from what he/she/it has made accessible such as earthquakes, tsunami, mosquitoes, etc...

Yes of course, it would make you stand tall amongst your equal.
People would see genuine reasons to worship your God, if you get more than what a regular human gets.

MaxInDHouse:
Because he never promised them that they're going to be exempted from whatever affects others humans including health issues so if they never fall sick or they're always cured miraculously would you have chosen to be an atheist knowing fully well that there's a religion you can join where neither you or your family members will be sick?

Guy this is common sense if there's a religion where everything they want is always at their disposal even you will force yourself to be a member whether you believe or not.

So God doesn't want people to worship him simply because of what they want rather out of love and appreciate for what He made accessible to all. Matthew 5:45

Of course people like you won't appreciate such you want more than what everyone has that's why you're an atheist!

At the emboldened how did you know it's not personal issues like sickness?

Ain't you adding what the Bible did not say?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, well you tried but that is not what Jesus meant.

Many of his first century disciples got sick and were never cured miraculously as you think for instance Timothy a born again Christian in the first century had stomach ulcers but instead of miraculous cure he was told to get medicine containing wine (alcoholic) like herbal remedy! 1Timothy 5:23

So if the first century Jewish disciples of Christ didn't have such idea regarding what Jesus said how come you think it's all about whatever they wanted?

Well the truth remains that Jesus knew his disciples would want to do the best they can in the assignment he gave them so it's regarding this task that he's telling them to ask, seek and find ways to go about it not personal issues like sickness!

1000 likes for you sir.

Emusan:
But you later agreed with the FALSE TEACHING of Religion in the last part of your post below.



The same you said here: "Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such."

You tried to be clever by half and play smart but you went to contradict yourself.

"God OFTEN CURE SOME OF HIS WORSHIPPERS MIRACULOUSLY....But He(God) never promised to ALWAYS do such"



Yet Jesus HEALED many without telling them to use HERBS.



The post wasn't about sickness disappearing for GOOD now but healing to sickness for now.

If you've never received HEALING from God then you should question the God you're serving because Jesus healed many and promised His disciples that they'll do more than Him.



That is contradiction compare to what you said above.

Where did you get the notion of religious folks started medical procedure?

Where/what are your proofs for such claim

Emusan:
Religion folks started medical procedure, so definitely they know the difference between when God talks about healing and when God has given us HERBS for our use.

Nothing surprises me more than hearing "God is testing me with the illness to know whether I truly have faith in him"

Then I would always wonder why an Omniscient God would be testing his beloved children for what he already knows

kingxsamz:
Same reason their pastors move with body guards and armed men. There's no power in what they believe in. When a Christian prays, he wishes his prayers will manifest. And if nothing happens he makes excuses for it. If your father saw you dying of thirst and he can help you, why then would he hesitate or not help at all?

Pope Francis once said:“There is no hell where the souls of sinners suffer in eternity.”

This could also mean that there's no heaven where the souls of righteous would have joy eternity.

So nah here all the suffer and enjoyments dey, the rest nah Bobo Juice.

MrBrownJay1:
thats because they are a bunch of hypocrites... THEY BRAINSWASH YOU ABOUT SOME YEYE PARADISE BUT DO EVERYTHING TO NOT GET THERE TOO SOON.

i mean, why does the pope (or any of theses yeye pastors) walk around with security and/or drives in a bullet proof car?!?!

The funny thing about you guys is that u always make out excuses for your God.

The same Bible you quoted says in Matt7:7...Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you...This place is not telling you to ask and sometimes it will be given to you, if you read carefully you will discover that there's certainty in what that passage is telling you, provided you ask.

So I repeat, why seek medical attentions when you can always ask your God for instant healing and your wish will be granted

MaxInDHouse:
That is what FALSE RELIGION taught you God never promised His worshipers instant health care now in His word He said the HERBS He created in the fields are for our sound health! Psalms 104:14

He promised a time when He will forgive all our sins it's then that sicknesses resulting from mankind's disobedience will disappear for good not now.

Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such.

That's the truth!

Why do religious folks seek medical attentions when they have an Almighty God who can hear and answer them instantly when they pray for sound health

To me, this(your quote) is the best quote of recent time.

But wait o... Another funny part is the aspect of healing.

If somebody is sick and prays all he can at home but later dies, these lots would say their god wanted his soul that's why he allowed death to conquer him.

If another person his sick and goes to the hospital even without praying at all or believing in god, these lots would say it's their god that healed him using the physician.

Sometimes I wonder why a god would allow his/her/its child(females) to conceive just to allow his/her/it's child(mother/bab(ies)) to die during child birthing? But funny enough they also have excuses for this too.

Moral: These lots have excuses for every circumstances of the world.

FRANCISTOWN:
You are right.

Recently, I'm beginning to feel like the whole idea of a God is even very foolish and imbecilic. So far so good, there has not been any of the fairy entities that fits into what can be called a "God". None of them has the characteristics of being a god.

Those individual character should be called a "demon". Because I don't understand why a God of the whole world would decide to reveal himself thru a particular tribe or race.
Yahweh belongs to the Isreal, Allah(The perverted version of Yahweh) belongs to the Arab.

Their all loving God is watching them suffer, yet they call it a test (🤣🤣🤣 you made me laugh)

Out of many reasons why I concluded that none of the acclaimed God characters fits into what can be called a God, let's gist on one.

•If the God of the whole universe truly has a religion that everyone must follow, why can't he stop giving children to people who don't follow that religion? As most of the times, people inherit their parents religion?

•The God of the whole universe is already self sufficient, he doesn't need me to praise him, worship him or remind him of how great he is just to feel good about himself. Only a fraud does that. A child that is insecure.My acknowledgement cannot add anything to him/her.

•The God of the whole world will not wipe out one tribe for the other, he won't love one tribe than the other. A good father does not want to see his kids fight. A God would have prevented Wars, especially WW1 and WW2. A god will not sit idle and watch one of his creation wipe out the other.

•Look at the level of famine in Somalia, look at natural disasters like earthquakes. A God will not allow that happen to any of his creations. Whether they serve him or not, whether they worship him or not.

•A God cannot enjoy seeing his creations suffer. Only a demon will have the power to stop evil and not do it.

Lemme just stop here.
The possibility of all these characters being God has been ruled out. Now the question whether there is a God or not is now very foolish.
We should now ask ourselves whether demons like Yahweh/Allah and so much more exists or not?

Thanks Bro,

But it baffles me how people think we are tormented by what we don't even give a bleep of.

I have come to understand that theists demonize anyone against their comedic belief system.

But nothing baffles me more than these:
1.) If things doesn't go as planned for a non believer, believers would say it's their god that is punishing the person for not believing in him/her/it.

2.) If things goes as planned for a non believer, believers would say it's their god that made it feasible for the non believer because he/she/it is a merciful and loving god.

Here are what i always tell them:
1a.) Your god is punishing non believers for not believing in him/her/it but so many of you folks are facing same punishments and even worse punishments compared to what non believers are facing even as a godly person/people.

1b.) Some of them would even go ahead to tell you that their own hardships are just tests.
Wait ooo... An omniscient god that is testing his/her/it's children to know what he/she/it already knows.

2.) A merciful and loving god that can't reconcile with his/her/its enemies to make earth a better place for his/her/its children.

Self delusions of the highest order in deed.

FRANCISTOWN:
You are welcome back.
I notice since the guy came back after he deactivated his previous moniker,he doesn't mess with atheists again.
He has learnt his lessons. 🤣🤣🤣 The rest should learn to.
There is a guy on the block who now says atheism is being controlled by demons. I wish I could find the thread again.

Boss (FRANCISTOWN), I would advice you to ignore the Ignoramus above me.

Hi Mr. Francis, been a while, really happy you created this thread.

The guy that said this, said it as a prophetic message, but guess what? him prophecy don fail like Prophet Elijah Abiri who prophesied on Cameroon defeating Nigeria by 3 goals to one. in the just concluded AFCON

FRANCISTOWN:
Good evening everyone. A guy whose moniker is Jesusjnr2020 about 4 years ago said he will ensure to end atheism on NL.
I want to see how far he has gone.

Therefore, if you're an atheist , kindly signify. Let's see if atheism would really go into oblivion on this platform

I only know of a few atheists.

Seun
HopefulLandlord
LordReed
Jaephoenix
Knownunknown
TheSourcerer
Busybrain
1Sharon.
TakeNigeriaBack
Botragelad
Fourthpredator
Lorrayne
HardMirror
Hahn
SlawG
albreezy4eva
Muslim
Dominique
Mrbroke
EnemyofGod2
kkins25
Wilgrea7
FRANCISTOWN(me, myself)

That makes it 23 of us and still counting.

Congrats 🎉 sir.

Drop location make we come drink pepper soup

Enskynelson:
1. Acceptable provided it's not more than 3years you graduated. It can be considered though depending on the circumstances.

2. No.
The acceptable HND courses for 300L DE in Computer Science are:

Computer Engineering
Computer Science
Electrical Engineering
Electrical/electronics Engineering

Thanks so much 🙏

Good day famz.

1.) Please does NOUN accepts HND statement of result when applying as a direct entry candidate?

2.) Can I be offered admission to study Computer Science, using HND in Statistics as a means of direct entry to 300L?

University of Ibadan has started selling their post utme and direct entry form for 2023/2024 session.

https://admissions.ui.edu.ng

Free your self from mental slavery.

If you knew your history well enough, you would realise whom u're worshiping.

xproducer:
There Is No Other God

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." -Isaiah 44:6

"Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me." - Isaiah 45:21

Nice write up Boss.

Let's wait for gnostics to arrive here.

Your belief isn't a bad idea sir.

justlove91:
My belief is that soul doesn't come from somewhere and enter the unborn child but that soul emerges when the condition is right just like fire emerges when you create the right condition for it to emerge.
The combination of a spark and fuel (kerosene, petrol, gas etc) brings about the emergence of fire. So also, the combination of sperm and egg cell through the process we call fertilization brings about the emergence of soul.

My problem with you is over confidence you use in typing out rubish, since I created this thread I've been minding my words with people and they have also cooperated well by minding their words too.

Well I won't advice you, I guess u're somebody's father or husband, continue with ur cyber trolls if it pleases you bye.

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point! We all know what reasonbility is and that it is not dependent on another person's reasoning.. So off point.



Stop being unreasonable.

It is known that No one goes to lab asking 'do I have a cyst or blastocyst?" They ask "Am I pregnant?"

And the doctor may say "congratulations, you are pregnant!

So, please if you don't have anything reasonable to say then let the discussion end.