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maduxs:
God you are wonderful, I have been searching for names of better companies in Nigeria to submit my C.V, here they are not five not 10 but 250, who say your not God. Op change the caption sharp sharp. "list of companies to submit your C.V "

You have foresight.

plaetton:
First, the theory of evolution is not a belief system in the ssme way that your belief in God or Jesus is.

It is a scientific theory. This means it is a scientific truth backed by lots and lots of yet to be refuted evidence.
DNA, chromosomes, fossil records, anthropology, medicine, agriculture.
Sorry, but it's only amongst my African brothers that I am forced to debate the theory of evolution.

Do you accept that CHANGE is the only constant in the universe?
Change is simply the agency and process of evolution.

Do you accept that in nature, processes go from simplicity to complexity? That's evolution.

Do you accept that you are a different human being from your mother and father ? Then you are just a slightly evolved specimen of your mother and Father.

Do you believe that environmental conditions , and even cosmic radiations can and do cause mutations in DNA?
That's evolution.

Evolution is small incremental changes over time, sometimes millions or hundreds of millions of years.

So, evolution is so common place, so natural, that we should not, at this period of our development, be debating whether it is true or false.

I get your point, but evolution is still under debate even in prestigious universities as an talking to you sir, am a keen follower of the numerous discussions to that effect, I wish you can get to see some of the videos I have to that effect. Remember what I asked initially, evolution in terms of change of kind from one to another like canine to birds, to humans and so on and not fossils records that predates back to millions of years. So what are those unrefuted observable evidences that you can simply point out now as far as evolution is concerned, one which I don't have to receive by faith before we advance to more complex scientific assumptions and populations which as a matter of fact I can't say much about. Since evolution is our level playing ground, I don't think it will be so hard to prove that sir with evidence on your own part.

frank317:
Well, so many water passed under the bridge and I had to start thinking. I was brought up in a christian home, watchman charismatic.
But it took a hard punch for me to realize that God idea is nothing but wishful thinking. And I am glad I came out of that delusion.
I searched for job for five years, praying and believing... For where.
The circumstance I lost my mum was something to be question.
Then the last punch was when I list man fiance in a ghastly motor accident... Seriously if God exists he owes me an apology.

Sadly I started thinking outside the religious box... I found out it is all a hoax. Its all a scam. I can be good and better man without religion.
Try it and u will see how possible it is. Look man... Stop wasting ur time.u only have one life to live.

When I took my life in my own hands...everything started turning around.

Everything is now clearer to me, I totally sympathize with you on the rough experiences you have had in the past and if I tell you I can say why it happened it give you logical explanations then I am lying. But sir, the truth is that a lot of people have experienced similar and even worst things in life and still came out good. We live in a fallen world bro, a lot of terrible things happen and if you attribute all these to God what will you then say of the devil whose work is to steal, kill and destroy? Yes you can be good and better without religious doctrines of men but not to the point of waving of the existence of God, don't you think that's too extreme? Remember Paul said; what is it that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus? Is it sickness, death, pestilence or what? We ask have trials, lots of then av prayed over things that didn't come to pass and so on. I can't give an answer to the things that happened to ya really but I know that God didn't kill ya fiancee, nor ya mum, as bitter as it may sound, there are many things that could have happened which you and I may not know. I will be praying for you bro, but don't shut your heart out completely on God. Lots of love man. #NoHomo

frank317:
Are u for real? Or are u just living in denial. How many theists believe Jesus came as God to save man from doom?
Check the percentage yourself.
Theist theist theist... So? Are they now better than atheists just because the believe in the existence of a God? What happened to believing in Christ as their personal saviour? Are we throwing that away just to win an argument? Then later u go and bash them or ask them to repent? Stop decieving yourself bro. Stop living in denial.

Nobody is better than anyone bro, check my previous posts, you will never ever come across me bashing anyone because he dosent believe in God or because he ain't a Christian, anyone that does that dosen't know what he or she believes in because God is love. It may interest You to know that i have atheist as friends. My own is to show them the love of Christ and hope that they will open their heart someday, only God can truly change a man. And I don't see this as an argument because like you rightly said it creates more strife and hatred amongst the parties involved and I know that's not what Jesus will do. It's true that lots of Christians in quote resort to such to air their opinion about you guys, but I don't believe in such.
Am living in denial yes, in denial to the fact that am not mere human. I have a link to the creator of the universe, he lives in me. If I abide in him, he also abides in me. Ain't no deceit on it. God is real for me, and for all of us. It's a matter of choosing to accept it and see it or rejecting it and living in true denial.

frank317:
God is supposed to be the creator, a being that gave life to be every human. So powerful that we can't comprehend. Created man and everything. He knows the future knows what man wants... Isnt that so?

The best you can do for him is stop comparing him with things he supposedly created... They are not supposed to be used as an example to prove his existence... Its deamining.

God as the creator is supposed to be self existent in the heart of everyone. he is supposed to be 'realer' than everything on earth since he ceated them all... No need for you to try to prove him.

Sadly, the fact that u have to be here trying to convince his own creation he exist is quite suspicious. It makes his existence sound like a fraud, which makes me wonder.. Shouldn't he have thought of this? His competence is really at stake here.

With what you just wrote down, am tempted to ask in all sincerity, what happened to you bro?
Where did all this there is no God notion began?
And hey.... Am not here to argue or to convince or to feel sanctimonious over you guys, that thought never crossed my mind. Just see it as a dialogue between people that have diverse views on issues relating to life. Be it far from me to coerce you from what you believe in.... if I have done that along the line, i sincerely apologize.

plaetton:
Well first of all, humans are still socially evolving.
As an evolving species, Remember, we are not so different from wild animals.
Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step backwards, sometimes we take one step forward and two steps backwards.

Now, of the human March civilization had been guided or supervised by the invisible hand of a supernatural being, then you think the earth would have been paradise for all humans ?
The fact that it is not is proof that we have been struggling and bungling all by our selves by trial and error, social evolution.

If you look back at the last 250'000yrs of human history on Earth, you would agree that we are living in the best of times.

Now, our present political and economic system makes it possible for a wide gap between those who have and those who do not.
Our social system insists that everyone should have. Therefore, those who do not must struggle to have.

Even Pentecostal Christianity is anchored on the predication that you should have wealth and riches.

Therefore the society is caught up in a constant flux of competition, by all means possible, to possess and accumulate.
Pentecostalism correlates spiritual growth with personal accumulation.
These are the reasons for increasing crime and wickedness.

From your first paragraph sir, where you mentioned that we are not different from animals and an evolving species, I can decipher that you believe in the theory of evolution, Darwin's theory of evolution i guess and according to live science, the theory postulates that it can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and so on. Can you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true, something that I don't have to receive by faith?

plaetton:
Yes. Man is the master of his destiny, for good or for bad.
No skydaddy, no Toothfairy required.

Just look at the March of human civilization. Look how far we have come, from where we have been, with all our mistakes. We have come this far all alone.
Intact, we can even say that the beliefs in skyfairys has greatly slowed and ret.arded our progress as equal citizens of the stars.

Yea man has a hand in his destiny because as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
But sir, if the March of human civilization have been all that cosy? Why are we having increased crime rate and devilish acts and increased wickedness in high places and wanton greed and acts of selfishness?
I know you will bring in religion but before you do, mind you that religion also began with men and not with God. So why are you attributing our actions and it's consequences to the perfect God?

plaetton:
No no, sir.
Actually, my dear friend, it's been a pleasure discussing/ debating with you.
I have ZERO anger or disrespect towards you.
I Think you are more honest and humble than most of the folks I jaw jaw with here on this section.

Thanks for the understanding sir.

frank317:
A whole all powerful came down to earth to save mankind and many people dont believe and you dont find it suspicious or troubling? Isn't it time you start looking into the competence of this your God?

No no no sir, speak for yourself alone and don't generalise the philosophy you believe in. Actually the percentage of atheist to theist is recorded at 14% to 82%. So going by this your logic, I can humbly tell you that majority of humanity actually believe that God exists sir.... but that's not my main point.
My point is that the fact that the way atheist looks at God is quite understandable because some of you guys actually stated off as theists and along the line started believing differently based on life experiences, religious hypocrisy and the evils in the world today. But the thing is, why do you guys because of the actions and choices of man, attribute those consequence to God and in the process say that since allows such inhumane and wanton deed to flourish, then he dosent exits.
If God dosent exist, then who takes his position as the supreme being?

frank317:
OK, this one is comparing God with radio signal. Lol... Radio signal is more real than your God. Your God lives in ur mind does radio signal live in the mind?

You believe God by faith... Then you should park well and keep quiet. Next time you see Muslims who believe in Mohammed or Allah by faith give them a hug.

Sir you misunderstood me, am not saying God is equal to radio signal, all I was trying to do was simply let him see that if you actually can't see the things that are very obtainable to you in our human comprehension and yet they exist, then why would you write of the possibility that God exist despite the fact that you can't see him with your naked eyes? where does that leave you on the scale of logic and reasoning?

johnydon22:

Hope for what?

But if hope should be rightly placed it should be in Myself..

Humans, family, friends, children, potentials of humanity to turn out good and many others.

I may have hopes in many things but it should never include imaginary things or unsure vague concepts ..

When have people's life become so bleak that they need to conjure imaginary things to place their hopes

So you believe you are all that is to be when it comes to existence, that there is no supreme being who gave you the life you are living today?
Since You said you put hope in yourself, do You think you as a human being have the capacity to explicitly achieve anything you think of, independent of any help from God?
What do you actually believe in?

plaetton:
Hope in what ?

The human potential.
A potential that primitive , stone age mythologies(calling themselves religigion) have tended to reta.rd

At any point this dialogue will condescend to the level of spiteful remarks, I will have to simply let it be bro, it's never my intention to cause any form of anger, nor strife over the cause of this dialogue.
Good eve.

menesheh:
No amount of believe makes something a fact. you have to first live your life the best you can make out of it and stop worrying about afterlife of which you are aware that there is zero evidence to such ideology. The only evidence there is in is that it was written in a book some thousands of years by a culture, enforced for everyone to believe by an empire via sword. Nothing more or less.

Hahahahaha..... You really have a good sense of humor.
Am driving sir, I will quote you later this evening, till then.
Stay cool.

plaetton:
You don't get it dude.

In my language, they would say that you just cooked a good soup, but then you covered it with dirty cloth.

Your faith is yours., but your faith is not truth, and could possibly be the furthest thing from truth.
That is the main reason you call it faith.

Faith is like building a closet around yourself ,and then demanding that everyone must come and live in it with you.

"My bible.., my bible,..".
What you actually mean is my Bible.., my Babble.
Your Bible is simply your own Babble.

When christians painfully come to this realization, then our job here would be done.

Where is your hope sir? In who?

plaetton:
There is no mention of Jesus in the annals of Jewish history.
If Jesus had existed, even as a rebel, amongst them, no doubt he would have featured prominently in their culture and religious literature.

If the majority of Jews don't believe in this saviour, son of god crap, then why do the majority of Africans, including you , do ?
That's why I asked, are YOU, Nigerian Christians , privy to something that the majority of the Jewish people all over the world are oblivious to ?

Pls try and answer.

Sir, Jesus didn't come to exist in the literature of the Jews s and their hypocritical culture, he came to show them the way to his father in heaven. didn't you see that in what I said before?
Sir not only Africans believe in him, Americans do, Asians do, Europeans do. Christianity is not an African religion only. So stop trying to use the mentality that Africans gullible to believe what some reprobate Jews objected. What will say about the other people in the world that believe in him based on this your shortsighted perspective sir??

hahn:
Lol. Dem don bobo you.

Do you mind giving evidence to back your claim?

Apart from the bible, ancient histological books attests to that. Google king Nero and the reports on the ancient Roman empire and how they torment the followers of Christ.

plaetton:
First, I am glad that you agree that god exist by virtue of your faith.
In other words, your faith created the god, with your specific qualities and needs.
After that statement, you needn't have commented further.
That's the problem with you half thinkers. Even when you're sincere, you quickly contradict yourself.

As for radio signals that I can't see, hear or touch, let me ask you; Is your god comparable or shall same qualities with radio signals ?
If yes, then why haven't Christians invented a receiver similar to a radio receiver to detect god ?

So god is now spirit ?
Since when?

Was he not recently resting and strolling in the garden with Adam, then hollering and bickering with Moses inside a mountain cave, then wrestling with Jacob in the wilderness ?

Then we heard that he had left the earth to his sky abode in heaven.

So now, he has just moved out to the spiri spiri world ?
I too have faith that my ancestors live in the spiri spiri realm, but I don't push it as factual truth.

That is something that you, an educated person, ought to know: that your faith is just your faith, not factual truths, just your faith, and nothing more.

When you believe or accept something on faith, such as you have honestly admitted, then trying so hard to magically transform such faith into factual truth is the grand FOLLY, the grand DELUSIONS that we Toothfairians take so much delight in mocking.

I hope you have learned something today.

lol... I see your point, are only delighted in mocking.
Am not delighted in mocking you, as a matter of fact I don't care if you mock me or my faith and make a folly and rip me apart, I don't care bro. I only care that you know that these things are true, I have a whistle blower that tells me you know these things.... yet.
You see the bible wasn't mistaken when it says a lot of things it said about those that will twist the truth and promote self acclaimed wisdom and intelect, we have seen them and so am not surprised at all.
Honestly I can't go and argue with you because you already have a prejudiced judgement on these things which you won't just give up easily. You will only take up anything I say and twist it.
As for the illustration I gave you with radio signal, which you twisted and started asking if God is a radio signal, that was simply more using a human case scenario to make you think that if such is obtainable in our own capacity, Nugent how much more God. As for the receiver, yes we a receiver that we user to communicate with him, and that's God's word as contained in the bible. I know you don't believe in that also, so don't try to let me know that aii.
There are so many things about God that even I myself can't decipher, not in my lifetime. But I know he exists because I see his glory all around me, from the tiniest of ants to the firmament, to the universe in general. It could only take an intelligent being somewhere to have carefully created all these things each with its unique characters.
He is alive bro.
Hope ya day is moving on fine?

Thoniameek:
''You believe coz you see, blessed are those who believe even without seeing.....

True

hahn:
Jesus never existed. He was created by the Romans at the Council of Nicea. Do you research black man and free yourself from the shackles of ignorance and enslavement. I still don't understand why Africans are so concerned about the self acclaimed "god of Israel"

Jesus has been prophesied about by some ancient prophets long before the existence of the Roman empire. During 300bc and thereabout, God inspired some men of old to prophesy of his coming and all the over 80 prophesies happened exactly the way they were told during the time of Jesus. Now tell me. Who could have been so meticulous in arranging those predated signs apart from God almighty himself?
The Roman empire even opposed the existence of Jesus going as far as killing his followers during the time of King Nero, so where did you get that fact that the existence of Jesus started with the Romans?

plaetton:
Yes.
My questions are valid.

What exactly are you privy to, that the people of Israel are oblivious to, regarding the myth of Jesus ?

Can you give me observable evidence to the fact that Israelites in their majority believe that Jesus didn't ever live among them?
As for believing that he is the messiah, that's quite understandable that not everyone will believe in him, majority won't as a matter of fact because he came to show them the truth and in the process countered a lot of their doctrines that makes them hardened towards God almighty.

plaetton:
So, I will get to see god after I am dead?

Lol.

If true, am I not still correct that he doesn't exist in this universe ?

I actually have no problems meeting him in the alternate universe.I just hope I will remember the nagging questions to ask him.

But, let me ask you ?
Is it the fear of the afterlife that makes you believe in the skyfairy ?

Lol fear if afterlife.... lolzzz
Am ready to die the next second bro for what I believe in. Perfect love casts out fear. I know where am going bro by faith.
So you know you will meet him in the afterlife but still thinks he dosent exist here? Bro that's some thinking there honestly, don't you see the deception in what you just said?

plaetton:
I asked you why and how you convince yourself that Jesus is alive.
Do you see him, talk to him, hear his voice ?
What does he look like? Skin color, hair color? Does he speak in what accent ? Does he walk bare footed or does he wear shoes or sandals ?

These questions are not mocking questions, but serious attempts to understand ( or diagnose) your encounters.

I know he exists by faith. You are actually basing your existence of God on what you can see, touch, feel, smell and so on. So since you can't see him with your eyes, then he dosent exist. Am saying this in love, but how dumb can you get and still breathe.
Lemme ask you, the radio signals around you, do you see them? But does that mean that they don't exist?
Your little peanut brain haven't yet figured out a lot of things about you yourself and yet you want God to show up and prove to you that he exists before you stamp your seal on his shaky existence so that he will be happy that you have approved him. smh
Sir God is a spirit and you need to understand that, we are humans limited by this our earthen body. If you wanna know God you got to do it the right way and not by waving off and ridiculing everything about him. As a matter of fact that's the freewill you have, so diss him, spite him, keep spreading the propaganda about him. It's not your fault bro, for they profess themselves to be wise yet they are foolish with their assumptions and philosophies.... I love you bro honestly and how I wish we can sit down someday, all of you guys and dialogue constructively on this. When will you open up your heart at least to see this differently. Thanks for the comments bro....

plaetton:
Please, tell me, man of Africa, who is in better position to know whether Jesus lived or not, whether he was Messiah or not, son of God or not ?

The descendants of ancient Israel ,or you, an obviously brainwashed African ?

What is actually your problem?
That he was a decendant of the Israel or that he dosent exist? Are you an atheist arguing over the lineage of Jesus or what?
As for the brainwashed part, you have no idea bro.

plaetton:
Jesus is still alive today?

How do you convince yourself that Jesus is alive today?
Even the Jews, for whom the myths were woven, do not believe in this your living mythical Jesus.

Why is that?

Yes sir, Jesus is still alive today. God is not dead.
I convince myself that Jesus is still alive today in so many ways, I see him daily in my life, I have a relationship with him. You are also an example that he is still alive today.
The Jews did not kill Jesus sir, it was the Jews that were living under deception that killed him, starting from the Pharisees and Scribes.
You know the problem with you plaetton is not that you don't know that God exist, but you are trying so hard to suppress that intuitive knowledge by claiming to be a rational thinker or an intellectual, and I know the exact reasons why you have decided to adopt that philosophy because I have a lot of your kind as friends who later owned up after constant dialogues and then later opening their hearts today, after all they gat nothing to loose. But hey, God is alive, more alive than you can ever imagine and he has been hated ever since by men that have refused to acknowledge him as their creator using science, evolution and so on, so you ain't the first neither will you be the last. But that won't change the fact that God still remains God. Keep calm bro, you will die someday and face that same creator who You know exists but have refused to just acknowledge in humility. For your sake I hope you have had a change of heart before that day because it's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Stay blessed bro.

nigerianvenom:
Are u an akwa ibomoite?do u know a moses

Naah, I served there and was opportuned to hear his song when he presented it in one of the churches there. I downloaded it afterwards.

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menesheh:
Don't mind him, he really need jesus to touch his heart. By the way, tell me the percentage you believed the old testament creation stories of Adam and eve (from 1 to 100 % rating) because all peoples around the world have origin myths, to account for where they came from. Many tribal origin myths talk only about that one particular tribe – as though other tribes don’t count! In the same way, many tribes have a rule that they mustn’t kill people – but ‘people’ turns out to mean only others of your own tribe. Killing members of other tribes is just fine!


Here’s a typical origin myth, from a group of Tasmanian aborigines. A god called Moinee was defeated by a rival god called Dromerdeener in a terrible battle up in the stars. Moinee fell out of the stars down to Tasmania to die. Before he died, he wanted to give a last blessing to his final resting place, so he decided to create humans. But he was in such a hurry, knowing he was dying, that he forgot to give them knees; and (no doubt distracted by his plight) he absent-mindedly gave them big tails like kangaroos, which meant they couldn’t sitdown. Then he died. The people hated having kangaroo tails and no knees, and they cried out to the heavens for help.
The mighty Dromerdeener, who was still roaring around the sky on his victory parade, heard their cry and came down to Tasmania to see what the matter was. He took pity on the people, gave them bendable knees and cut off their inconvenient kangaroo tails so they could all sit down at last; and they lived happily ever after.

Tell me you believe or don't believe the Tasmanian's aborigine creation myth and what makes it different from the above jest sonoflucifer is making about local Jewish creation myth.

Honestly, I haven't come across the abogerine creation myth before and I can't say much about it. But coming to the Jewish creation analogy that the Op is making jest of, I can say that I believe in it because that's what is contained in the bible.I believe that there are many belief system in the world today each trying to lay claim as the best among rest, but one thing is fascinating about the analogy contained in the bible, it has has a culminating end about a resurrected messiah who is still alive today in the person of Jesus and no other belief system has that same pattern.

I wonder where it all went wrong for you.... but keep up what you are doing, its a choice you've made. But the fact still remains that God still remains God and your little internet agenda against him won't change anything.
Can we actually become friends for real? Maybe get time to hang out and dialogue constructively, I can assure you any wrong notion it experience you've had about him will change. What say thee?

rheether:
Dear Boyfriend, you have till 2020 to start making the millions..

End time girlfriend

Spydamannn:
Moralist please put your Morals inside your pocket,Live and let Live

Where did you get that notion from sir?
Live and let live by keeping quiet over the gospel truth?
Live and let live by following the notion that what everyone is doing is right?
Live and let live by living a hypocritical life based on self satisfaction?

I wasn't shocked to see the replies people were giving, testing before buying, to be sure of fertility etc. This goes to show how humans have thrown morality and God's injunctions to the dogs. For Christ sake why are you comparing your to be wife and a car? Someone even said tokunbo for that matter, your wife Is marriage something you buy, use and sell that you now compare your wife to a car? And most of the people engaged in this act are "Christians", but it dosent matter after all everyone is doing it so that makes it right and acceptable. What will you tell your kids in future if she gets pregnant outside marriage? You will disown her abi? I pity for this our generation for the type of seed we are sowing. Is it that God can't be trusted again to give a faithful person a good wife or husband? But I guess my generation dosent see God as relevant in a lot of things they do today and so no one cares about his opinion. Fornication and sexual immorality is a sin before God and no amount of perversion of truth by man can change that.
Remeber, you may think you are being smart today, but what you sow you shall surely reap. May God help us all.

In the last days, many shall come in my name. Hilariously pitiful.