dguyindcorner:


I must state this, this is not Christ-like! Are u judging me? Have you caught me in the act at all?

Repent!!!

Shameless masturbators that have zero integrity telling folks that reject maturbation to repent??

Total madness!!!

Even the devil will be surprised.


What do you know about Christlikeness. Christ rebuked and punished sin both when he was in the flesh and when He was glorified. And if I go hard against your wilful obstinacy that means I'm not Christlike?

Not surprised cos its evident that you both are sworn to iniquity.

italo:


1.))) Can the Saints see/hear what is happening on earth?

2.))) Which one is it? Only the Holy Spirit and Jesus are mediators and intercessors...or The Holy Spirit, Jesus and believers?

3.))) Are the Saints alive or dead?



You need to learn what 'divination with the help of a witch' is. You're criticizing in ignorance.

1. A saint in heaven can see and hear what's happening on earth but not all at the same time. That will be omniscience which they don't possess. Stop putting me on repeat. If I just know you are playing games I cease to reply.


2. I made the matter very clear. The focal point is that Mary is neither of both which is what you should be bothered with.


3. The Saints have passed on to glory. They are alive in heaven. They are not alive on earth.


When you are short of ideas to prove a point that doesn't exist you use subtle means to make me repeat myself.

I don't mind this but I don't have the luxury of time to entertain this beyond a certain point.

italo:

You're the one suggest equality with God not me.

What you said was that "Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God."

While the Bible says 'Mary is like God.'

Who should we believe? You or the Holy Spirit.

Stop pretending as though you don't already understand this matter. You tried to make Mary equal to God by making her an intercessor and mediator and giving her all manner of reference reserved only for God. I simply showed you that she and all other Saints are like God in nature and holiness but never never ever like God in power, authority, omniscience and the rest.

italo:

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[g] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Is the Holy Spirit lying in that verse?

Just pretend as though you don't know that this Scripture you quoted said nothing whatsoever to refute my comment you bolded.

Papist:

My friend do you know the difference between earth and heaven? Free tip: those on earth are constrained by time & space that is why they cannot be in two places simultaneously. I hope you know that in eternity i.e heaven, there is no such limitation therefore those in heaven have the ability to be everywhere. Your shallow argument falls flat. Also if you didn't know, there is a difference between intercessor and mediator.

Your own shallow understanding falls short. Those in eternity are not constrained by time and space... agreed ! But do they possess God's exclusive ability of omnipresence? Can one of them be in a million places at the same time? The answer is NO!!


Catholics project Mary as both an intercessor and a mediator. Functions that belong exclusively to The Holy Ghost and Christ Jesus. Believers in Christ that are yet alive can also intercede for each other and we are admonished to pray for one another but there is no record from Genesis to revelation where anyone ever prayed(as a pattern) or was commanded by God to pray through saints that have passed on to glory. Saul the king of Israel tried it and it was accounted to him for divination. 1 sam. 28:8,9

dguyindcorner:


You still are not addressing the issue. Ahh, face the message and not the messenger. Show us one scripture that was quoted by the OP that is not in your own Bible.

How are you different from the OP you are criticizing if all you could do is to encourage me to continue with masturbation (the one I did in your sight)? Instead of you to tell us why it is a sin according to the scripture, you result to insult.Is this the way Jesus teach you? Yet you are Christ-like o.

If the scriptures I too quoted earlier on this matter is not good enough then nothing is.


If you are waiting for the scriptures to state point blank "stop maturbation" before you are agree then also wait for the scriptures to state "go and eat', before you ever eat any meal.


The way it is right now. Even if God descends from heaven to tell you to stop that evil you'll tell him off.


Your mind and that of the Op is already reprobate and have degenerated to the level of apostasy.

italo:


Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?


So this verse is lying:

1John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

A similar verse also says thus:

Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

The two verses do not suggest equality with God in personality, functionality, power, omnipotence and such like else man would already be like God from creation.

The verses simply speak of being like God in holiness and in saintly nature.


When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time else we won't need Jesus as a mediator and the Holy Spirit as intercessor. They pass through Jesus Christ the mediator.


When such prayers arrive at the presence of God at once through the equally omnipotent mediator, God alone has the ability to distinctly discern and process each of those prayers arriving at once by His Omnipotence. The Angels and saints have no such ability.


It will take several Angels working together and for a longer duration to be able to achieve what omnipotence and omniscience can achieve at once.


I'm extremely busy now so I'll tender scriptures when I get home by night.

italo:
@byfirebyfire

Can God and the Angels hear billions of prayers at the same time and attend to them?

Do you believe that Mary is like God and like Angels?

Angels and Mary cannot hear billions of prayers because they're not omniscient, they are not omnipresent and they are by no means omnipotent. These qualities are the exclusively reserved to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost alone.


Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God and certainly will never be God as Catholics make her out to be.


Mary is less than an ant or an atom before God. So the fact that God in the person of Jesus decided to humble Himself and use the most humiliated birthplace which is a menger and chose the least of women as an entry point to reveal himself to the world doesn't mean we make a God out of the menger or of the woman.

dguyindcorner:


stop making things difficult bro. Back up your claims and contradictions with scriptural proofs.

Don't argue with philosophy, make Bible your standard, so as to put devil to shame. Remember God is not an author of confusion.

Are all his points misleading? if not, which ones? Then preach to him n everybody with scriptural references on these misleading points. For example you say uncleaness refers to masturbation and its likes, how? You no tell us. Remember that refusing to bath is uncleanless too o.Thanks sir!

My friend Go and masturbate all you want but leave God & the scripture out of it. No one wants to take maturbation away from you and the Op. Since maturbation has become food to you people and dignity means nothing to you folks.


Even animals as wild as they are respect themselves as regarding this shameful matter.

toyetade:


Thank you Bros for such nice expository. May God's anointing upon your life be multiplied. Our friend is holding the truth in unrighteousness. They probably don't have genuine salvation

All thanks return to God. Stay blessed.

babyfaceafrica:
you have a point...but you need to argue maturly..,the guy said his point...but u are just here lampooning him.....its a shame.....you don't win souls like this

I'm sorry if I'm being too hard on him but you need to go back and read over and over again how I took much time to expand and explain how shameful his suggestion is even to hardened sinners and he will throw it out without any regard.

I offered time tested and effective godly and Christian method of dealing with such evil habits and he throws them out as useless.


You can clearly see that he wants nothing more except to gratify such maturbation lust and still answer a holy ghost filled, heavenly bound Christian.


It became very clear that here is a fellow that in full knowledge is fully bent on wilful sin gratification. Or maybe one that is fully bent on perverting the gospel like some agents we've seen are already doing these last days.

ignore.

dhateeboi:
How come the mediator is referred to be God by many
and if there is one God, which God is it orrrr
is it just God?

You are here to mock so you'll get no answers. Become a Christian and you'll be made to understand the mystery of trinity. If its too hard for you to accept then just believe in one God the Father and believe in Jesus Christ His son. Then go on and live a righteous life and I tell you that you'll never miss heaven. So first of all abandon your dead religion.

Toks2008:


At least im happy that out of the 8 points its just one that you are attacking and that goes to show im a very bad agent of the devil and even this one point you cant defend from the bible but you have been screaming out from your logic and philosophy so i have nothing to discuss with you.

I know your type will come here and that was why i insisted on biblical quotes as a backing and that you have goofed so stop displaying your ignorrance please.


coming to advice people o fast and pray over sexual urge.

If in your blinded blindfolded perverted delusion the Scriptural verses I presented earlier doesn't mean anything to you then you should be examined.


Of course I knew you would fully ignore them cos they do not support the uncleanness you so much prefer but clearly condemn them.


You were shown godly methods to deal with this menace and you threw it out.


I can almost agree that even if God were to come down from heaven to loose you from the demon of maturbation you'll easily tell him not to bother cos you'll prefer to keep it.


You clearly are not here to seek solution. You are here to seek means and methods to gratify sinful lusts while still answering a so called holy ghost filled Christian.


Maybe fellow perverts that can come forward to offer you maturbation styles and moves will be very much welcome.


Go ahead and revel in your perversion.


It is written Jn. 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.


He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.


When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Toks2008:


You are begining to bore me.

Please forget my matter and educate people with vivid scriptural quotes and not by human phylosophy.

Thats my point.I hate hypochrisy and i know many people who do worse stuffs than even masturbating yet they front sainthood.

Just hear yourself advising someone having a natural urge to copulate to give himself to fasting and prayer ...why not start fasting and praying if you feel pressed to defecate?

Even paul adviced marriage just as i also did and for those who have the grace to subdue it can do that while those with high libido should find a way to ease of without ponographic inducement but you are here trying to form an alpha.

Im very practical and down to earth so show me from the bible where self servicing is mentioned as a sin and i will change my notion right now.

Just like addiction is bad,in like manner masturbating could be addictive...people must understand difference between bad habbit and sin so the best you can come up is to say from your perspective,masturbation is a bad habit but that does not make it a sinful habbit.

Look at me very very well. I don't just bore people that pervert the gospel. I burn them thoroughly. You are clearly a pervert.


I just wanted to ignore you and pass by but you are beginning to show me your true color.


Tell me that this teaching of yours have to foundation from Christ embassy.


You talk of hypocrisy while subtly encouraging sin, Who is fooling who.



If what you are doing here is not hypocrisy I wonder what else is.


I have clearly showed you a way out of sinful maturbation for those that fear God and you openly rejected it with baseless excuses.


Yet you dare claim to be "fully Holy Ghost basptised" .


This type of your satanic gospel from hell may God by Himself forbid and banish it.


May those you mislead with your perverted gospel be required of you in this very time even before eternity.... except you fully repent.


I strongly suspect you.

Toks2008:



It is one thing to argue and another to discuss issues for the benefit of others to learn.

NEWS FLASH...i gave my life to christ 27years ago when some people reading this were not yet born.

Im fully grounded in christ with the full baptism of the holy ghost so please put to rest your erroneous belief of the new age thing cos im as old fashioned as you can think of.

Talking about making analysis over masturbation i must state clearly that i have never whanked in my life and yes sometimes as human i fantacize been single but you must understand that this discussion is not about both of us but for others to learn..

Sexual feeling is as normal as the feeling of tiredness,sleep,defecating and urinating.

Lets stop leading people to hell by making life hard for them.Lets say it as it is...if your passion is high please get married as Paul adviced and because of the economy situation people cant marry as fast as they want but this does not stop hard on from happening or a lady from getting Hot.

Please lets not allow hypochrisy to be the order of the day.If you are single and feeling Hot try to control it but if you can please jerk it off and be at peace rather than fall into actual fornication.

I must only warn that addiction to all form of habbits is the problem here so be careful not to get carried away..and get married to avoid burning with pasion.

Coming from someone "fully grounded in Christ with full baptism of the HOLY Ghost".


I'm totally ashamed of you. I can't even recommend you as saved let alone holy ghost baptised.


Imagine telling someone that is given to uncontrollable sexual lust to masturbate instead of asking the fellow to give him/herself to fasting and prayers or even to thorough deliverance prayers which have easily and steadily liberated countless millions in such satanic bandages till date. And yet you claim holy ghost baptism.


I have no claim to holy ghost baptism whatsoever yet I can easily tell what is inappropriate.


I put it to you that you have no Holy Ghost baptism whatsoever. Infact you can easily pass for a satanic agent undercover using subtle tactics to encourage unstable Christians in sinful habits.


The Holy Ghost is spotlessly, sinlessly "Holy" and cannot reside in unclean people that accept and encourage sinful habits that will even repulse the ungodly.

ShaheedBinAliyu:





laughing in Swahili... this accusations about the greatest human that ever lived got me thinking... Creator must have been preparing a special punishment for you badmouthing people...


like I said to your fellow pagans... your loss

Its nothing new. To some people the greatest fellow to ever live is the devil himself and as you have shown muslims are not exempted from this bizzare claim.

A perverted man at almost 60yrs had sexual lust for a baby girl in diaper when she was just 6 years. He sexually abused her at 9 and yet claimed to receive visions from God.


He killed, beheaded, robbed and maimed innocent people all through his life and died a miserable shameful death.


This is the greatest human to ever live to you.


You are no different from a satanist!!!

Toks2008:


I am glad for the embolden and that means entertaining masturbating within the confines of marriage is ok right?

I believe you termed uncleanliness to be masturbation right? ok i won't argue that with you but e both agree that self servicing was never mentioned as a clear sin except the adjourning circumstances as explained by what i wrote up there.

A lady who is married and her hubby is not around then she touyches herself sensuously thinking of her hubby in your own definition is a sin likewise a man that does that.

Sometimes we put ourselves more in bondage by our own reasoning because i still wonder why self servicing without porn inducement or illicit taught relate to uncleanliness because unclean acts are sinful acts.

In my opinion,iof the bible wants self servicing to be seen as sin we would have seen at least one verse that expresly addressed that but the silence of the Bible concerning it has given room for men to bring logic and philosophy to it and that is why the issue of self servicing will always be a complex issue to discuss.

Masturbation becomes a sin if you look at a lady lustfully while indulging in the act and it becomes lustful pleasure because when you watch pornographic films and magazines and you masturbate, you are lusting after the sexual figure you see just like lusting after the opposite sex.

But when you have a wet dream as adolescents do and wake up messed up or when you think about yourself just making out with an imaginary person you are not married to with no physical presence of the person or when you do it thinking about your spouse,is it a sin considering that all thee cases has to do with fluid emitted from the man or climaxing by the lady? This wil always be a subject of debate.

Why do you so called new age Christians choose to allow satan to keep you folks adamant in sinful blindedness. Look at all the shameful analysis you make to justify something that even many ungodly men won't even think of.


Even common sense tells us some things that are unwholesome but common sense is not common.

Even when I was a hardnened sinner maturbation was so foreign to me and the very mention of it was abominable to me.


My own bible speaks clearly to me about such things as maturbation without calling it by that particular name. When the bible speaks against lust, uncleanness, inordinate behaviors, concupiscence, keeping my body which is the temple of God holy, integrity, dignity and such things I don't need anyone to tell me its addressing such dirty habits as maturbation and the rest.



You can go ahead and interprete your own Bible however suits you.


Why should a married couple engage in maturbation when the partner is absent. Isn't that unwholesome? Where is self control, temperance, honour, integrity, discipline in such act. Even animals don't go to such extremes. If you have an evil habit, deal with it and stop justifying it.


There is no other sexual activity sanctioned by God and supported by the scripture except that between a man and a woman and only in marriage. Anything outside this has nothing to do with God and is outright sin and ungodliness whether in marriage or outside marriage.


Show me from the scriptures where Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, the holy prophets, the holy apostles of Christ engaged in such an unclean habit as maturbation.


The same method you use to justify maturbation is the same gays use to justify their ungodly shameful act.


Why? Because you fellows do not understand God and how holy He is. What it means that God is holy. What it means that God requires us to be holy as He is.


I know you'll still argue but I won't engage you further.

dhateeboi:


and to back that??
who's the girl he sexually abused that was still in diapers?
at what age was that?

and don't forget... be tolerant has seun has said...

A muslim talking about tolerance..... indeed!!!

When the game goes against you folks, thats when you yell tolerance but when you gain grounds you scream behead, death to disbelievers.


You spewed unfounded garbage about the sciptures that you do not understand and it was okay with you and I declared the total truth of what your pedophile prophet did to baby Aisha and you scream “intolerance“!!!

Who's fooling who.

dhateeboi:
Where are those many Christians who bad mouth and never want to be bad mouthed?

We don't just bad- mouth or spoil a belief
I argue with what u believe in
I'm a Muslim

Without being told I already knew its only a bigoted blinded muslim that will spill the unfounded rubbish devoid of Scriptural knowledge.


You aren't ashamed that you belong to a fold whose prophet had sexual lust for a baby girl yet in diapers. Married her at six and sexually abused her at only nine. What any abomination. Even demons marvel at this and yet you blinded muslims cannot see.


The pedophile prophet went ahead to claim to recieve visions from God after filthy perverted abominable nemphomaniac sexual activities. And you muslims believed him.


See the results today. Uncommon inordiate sexual pervasions among muslims especially for underaged girls, killings and bloodshed of satanic nature.

Toks2008:
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Self servicing is a rather complex matter.

The Bible is totally silent about this matter but then I always ask; when you masturbate, what do you think about? This is where the complexity sets in.

I really don’t think a single man or woman wil be thinking about a football game or a tractor when self servicing but probably about someone who he or she is not really married to which makes it lusting which translates to sin..

Married people who self service thinking about their hubby or wives may really be practicing a sinless act but I believe it will be unwholesome to self service thinking about an illicit sexual act.

Nevertheless, this subject remains one with strong debate where some believe that as long as actual sexual intercourse is not involved, it is sinless and harmless but this is my take on the matter.

Friend , willfully entertaining sexual lust outside marriage is sin. Maturbation is a sexual lust outside marriage.Its uncleanness Gal. 5:19.


Where is self respect, dignity and self integrity in such act. Even multitudes of the wicked and ungodly lived their entire lives till death without maturbation or any regard for such filth and today some misguided Christians are supporting this evil.

1thess.4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God

1pet2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness....

Gal.5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

SirWere:
Very lovely pictures, showing us that one love is what we need............... If only the bombings, kidnappings, molestation of young girls and the like would stop!!!!!!

It won't stop because their religion supports it. The life of their prophet agrees with it.


Any muslim that shows kindness to a Christian is just an individual that has not come to the full knowledge of the reality of the wicked implications of his evil religion.


When they are eventually taught, they become deadly and we call them radicalized. But in very deed they aren't radicalized. They were simply made to see the reality of the wicked requirements of their deadly religion.

ShaheedBinAliyu:




am proudly a Muslim and I wanna show you that Islam is the only religion in this world.. prove it to me and your religion stands

A religion whose prophet at nearly 60years of age lusted for & slept with a 9 year old baby girl child. Slept with several other women in lust. Killed innocent people that didn't agree with him. Robbed people to enrich himself.

Commanded his followers to do as he did. God forbid such satanic religion.


Even if Christianity is a false religion, I'd rather be an atheist than be a muslim.

Matt.5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


Its not difficult to block the lady(s) on Facebook or whatsapp and even stop taking her/their calls.


Would you rather risk falling into sin along with its damnable consequences. There's no excuse if you allow this to happen.

orisa37:
Truely truely ISIS, like AlQaida and Aljazerra are all CIA and FBI Products.

parisbookaddict, you now can see what this your kind of thread can cause.

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha let me try to tender an explanation...

There are 5,000 men not counting women and Children include that it stretches up to 13,000 or less or more..

Let me assume the venue was a hill side with hills bordering each side, the crowd being extremely quiet could help propagate even a slight sound wave, the direction of the breeze in relation to the position of the crowd and that of Jesus can also move the sound wave farther.

I agree that your assumption may be possible where there are 500 people. But where it involves 5000 or even 13,000 people the possibility is so remote.


It'll only make meaning to you if you ever saw an event with 5000 seated. However an atheist's mind is already made up. Even a glaring scientifically confirmed truth will turn to a lie to an atheist once Christianity or God gets into the mix.


So don't bother to explain your disbelief cause I already understand and neither will I bother you further. Cheers

xxxangel:
But why didn't anyone notice the miracle of Jesus talking to 5000 men without a microphone? It's only the food part that we noticed.

Yes, I thought about that too a number of times but since it appears that nobody else seemed to notice, I kept mute.

Really a very good observation.

Princewell2012:
Lets have fun.


What if you suddenly wakes and realised you been living on a mere dream



Believe me most of us who were very rich will highly be disappointed.




But make i no lie, i go give thanks to God.


I have made a lots of mistakes.

What if you suddenly wake up and realise that you died in your sleep and that all you can presently see at the moment confirms that God, heaven and hell are real.

parisbookaddict:


To answer this i have 3 questions for u

1. Do u agree to chopping off hands of thieves
2. Do u agree that adulterous people caught by 4 withnesses should be stoned to death
3. Can u marry and sleep with a 14year old girl you love

Can you clearly see that you are contradicting yourself by saying that not all muslim are terrorists. Can you see clearly that even the muslim that claim to be peaceful will have issues with you on above questions you tendered.



Don't let them decieve you by those videos and messages they post online claiming they condemn terrorism. This is a continous tactical cycle they use to gain trust before they strike as people let down their guards in the long run.



My litmus test for muslims that claim to be peaceful is thus: Will you kill anyone that desecrates or burns a muslim quoran or that insults the muslim prophet muhammed?



99% muslims that claim to be peaceful will kill on this count and 99% so called peaceful muslims will kill innocent people when they are carefully taught and shown from the quoran that killing non muslims is an islamic duty that can lead to paradise.



90% of terrorists were once peaceful muslims before it was conviencingly proved to them through the quoran and by the life and examples of their prophet that killing unbelievers was a holy duty of highest reward.



Don't believe me but read documenteries and videos that show the peaceful and innocent backgroungs and early harmless lives of most terrorists before they radicalised. Some of them would even die to save a disbeliever and did so much kind deeds to their community before they suddenly change after they were taught differently by Scholars that know the deepest and glaring realities of their evil religion.

Annunaki:



Is that all you have to say? I would have thought you will go on to condemn all those evil verses in the quoran posted above that inspires hate and terror. You cannot claim to condemn the Paris attacks without condemning the terror verses that inspired the attack.

Sound reasoning.

OP, Stop decieving yourself. Those lies they teach you in the mosque don't work anymore.

People now see clearly to know that 99.8% of muslims can shed blood for the sake of their religion and 0.2% only may be indifferent because they have not been taught the ways of islam and its blood thirsty prophet.

Stop turning the quran upside down.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;(not Mary)

Annunaki:


How does all this hubris explain the verse I asked you to explain to me

Whoever you are, thank you very respectfully.