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Niyi74:
You're right. The Holy Spirit is the comforter and revealer of eternal truths. Even our Lord Jesus received the Holy Spirit after being baptized as a confirmation of His Sonship. The Holy Spirit is ever willing to possess but the flesh is weak. The flesh here is the INTELLECT, which subjects everything to reason. The Holy Spirit activates INTUITION, which empowers man to understand without reasoning!

The first requirement to meet before receiving the Holy Spirit is HUMILITY. That's exactly what Jesus was referring to when He insisted on "being born again" before having access. That is, you must be like children, who are pure in heart and follow intuition.

Those details in my previous response were necessary for those who prefer to follow their intellect to illumination. For people like that, among which are those who believe Jesus doesn't exist, they are better guided intellectually until they attain understanding. I was there. I read heaps of books in search of the TRUTH about Jesus and became frustrated at some point. I was only able to attain understanding with the Help of the Holy Spirit.

It's just sad that Christianity has been turned to a SHOW today just like the days of the Scribes and Pharisees. That is why the Holy Spirit can't find His place among so-called Christians today.

Thanks. Bottom line is that the whole thing is spiritual. Once you understand that you’d realize how unnecessary all these arguments are.

Respect55:
Just like those that criticized his work, Rene started his philosophy by criticizing the Scolastics method who b opines that all knowledge comes from sensation. That, to Descartes, are subject to error and can be doubted.
In all these, he didn't doubt the activities of his mind and as such, gave most relevance to it because to him, that was one thing he couldn't doubt - that he was thinking all along.
This led him to that famous statement, 'COGITO ERGO SUM' (I think, therefore I am) .
Think of this, All Descartes can know, on the level of foundational belief, is that he exists as a mind. He can't know that he has a body or that anything other than his mind exists. This position is known as solipsism. Solipsism says that the only thing you can know for sure is that you exist as a mind.
Does this help?

Thanks for the effort, but the question is not whether Renee had reasons, the question is wether the cogito statement is a fallacy. And the fact is that it is: since we are not sure of the existence of Renee the statement can’t start with “I”. It should say: “There is thinking, therefore I am”. Which doesn’t make sense.

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9jaRealist:
It's right there before your eyes in Plain English...


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But I just demonstrated to u that u r wrong! Not all debts mean you owe money. Not all debt is truly debt. How stubborn can a guy be!

9jaRealist:
Not wrong, because we are discussing foreign debt...
And even US domestic debt is not classified as "US debt" (because some of that is held by the govt itself).

Quit chasing shadows in derogation of substance...
However you define "sovereign debt", China remains the US biggest foreign creditor!

And what does the perception of US treasuries as virtually risk-free has to do with whether it is debt or not?
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Stop splitting hairs. us SOVEREIGN debt is 22T. China is owed 1.12T . Japan is your owed 1.08T
Those are the facts. Your statement was wrong. Accept it and move on

Amujale:
I can honestly say that the Romans wrote the bible in a way so as to seem that it was written in the past.

They made numerous mistakes, the main mistake was their lack of knowledge of facts, dates, timeline and chronology.

Because they spent all their time copying, stealing and desecrating other peoples sacred sites, they misinterpreted numerous facts and figures.

Infact, much of the Abrahamic text was written on the move.

After they overwhelmed their enemies, they would sack a city of its riches and later move to steal all their sacred text and monuments.

Then, they would later force the local priest and or devotees to interprete their text. These text and concepts would later be incoporated into their biblography.

There are countless nations that the Roman armies actually wiped off the face of the Earth, purposefully meaning to leave no trace of their existence.

As each military campaign passed, the stories grew larger and lager. The Emperor became adicted to these story collecting that he launch wars based on the monetary and spiritual spoils of his foes.

Before long, the Emperor had himself the bible.

Most of these stories are copied from ancient philosophies and concepts from around the globe, with the authors creating their own characters and storylines, in some instances, the Romans didnt bother to change the names of the main chatacters of the stolen stories.
Some are simply fabricated or made up.

The Emperor later used these same compilation of text to subdue his peasants so that they continued to pay their taxes.

MOTIVE.
Mention what Rome gained by fabricating a bible that puts Rome in bad light so much so that they r the ones who maliciously killed the greatest person in their story. If u were forging a story would u cast yourself in such light?
THINK! Don’t just swallow whatever conspiracy theorists feed u.

Amujale:
Majority of the contents of Abrahamic text have been copied, stolen, sexed-up or fabricated from philosophies and concepts from all around the globe.



That is a made up story that has no relevance to real history.

Both Ishmael and Israel are fictional characters created by the authors of Abrahamic text.

Its all a massive fabrication.

U answered none of my questions.
How come those particular people claiming to be defendants of Ishmael are constantly fighting those particular people claiming to be decendants of Israel - exactly as predicted by the Bible? And Other things I pointed out - how were the Romans able to foretell all that?

Amujale:
Much of those stories are stolen, repackaged and sexed-up without giving due credit to the original authors.

The Romans commisioned their biblography that held these stolen stories and concepts from around the globe, and went on to claim them as Christian.

Modern historians have already identified almost all the origins from where every story compiled by the authors of these text came about.

Don’t you feel there is something about the Bible?Forgetting everything else just honestly ask yourself, relying on your gut instinct:

Is it likekely that the Romans sat down and composed the Bible or is it likely that The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years, by different writers?

Honestly answer that question for your self.

Amujale:
The authors of the bible make up false stories about a group of ficticious people they called Israelites.

According to Abrahamic text, Israelites are Jews. (Fiction)

Europeans that adopts the religion known as Judaism is Known as a Jew (Fact).

Look, we have no way of knowing anything for sure including our very existence. That’s the nature of our reality. But at some point u have to stop splitting hairs and accept that something is likely true.

How were the Romans able to foretell things in the Bible that keep coming true till today. How were they able to foresee that Ishmaelites and Israelites would be at each other’s throats till today. Did Romans force Ishmaelites to say they are decendants of Ishmael? How did Romans foresee that the words of Christ will endure as it has and as he stated? How were they able to imbue the name Jesus with so much spiritual power - no name has ever had so much power that we know of.
Read the following from Acts. How were the Romans able to be so prophetic?

33 When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death. 34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

40 His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

Amujale:
There is not one story present in the Old Testament that can claim to being original.

Pick any of the popular stories anywhere in the Abrahamic text and i will prove to you that it lacks originality.

The argument is whether Romans could have written those stories. Mordern Archaeologists have proven conclusively that whoever wrote those stories knew those areas during the times they referenced. Romans had no way of knowing that.

Amujale:
Not so, that is what the authors of Abrahamic text would want you to believe.

In actual fact, Rome predates both Christianity and Judaism.

Regardless of what Abrahamic text says, Judaism is a relatively new religion.

Christianity was manufactured by Rome before Judaism later became a religion after the renassance.

Therefore, Rome manufactured christianity, and the early Crusaders manufactured Judaism.

Its a typical case of cause to have a means instead of "means to a cause".

Its all a massive fabrication.

A complete and utter CON.

A mind f*c*.

We are talking verifiable history not scriptures

9jaRealist:
Another irrelevancy...

It's a good thing you are using this discourse as a LEARNING opportunity...
But frankly not everything that you stumble upon on Google is relevant hereto.
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How is that irrelevant in trying to teach u that some debts are not truly debts.

9jaRealist:
Yes I do, which is why I know that's NOT what my post "implied"...
The SPECIFICATION "in several forms" means exactly the OPPOSITE of your (mis)understanding - it means NOT the same type!

Perhaps you should your on counsel and "educate yourself"...
Meanwhile, even though this is Nairaland, some of you really need to become circumspect with words. SMH
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Ok genius, what does your statement “debt is debt” imply?
If u notice I’ve been quite polite all this while till your unwillingness to concede obvious defeat had me frustrated.

9jaRealist:
Huh?! What are you blathering on about?
What does tariffs and trade war (that YOU raised nonetheless) have to do with the definition of sovereign debt? Are you OK?!

Meanwhile this discourse is obviously about foreign debt, same as with foreign the African/Nigerian debt that generated the discourse.
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Sorry about telling u to stop making a fool of yourself just that u simply refuse to acknowledge u have no argument whatsoever.

YOU WERE WRONG when u said China holds 30% of US sovereign debt. Accept that and move on. It is not life or death

You obviously missed this my post. Here it is again below. Read it carefully and stop making baseless arguments.

The perception throughout the world is that debt issued by the U.S. Treasury is virtually free of credit risk, meaning that the world assumes that the U.S. will never default on its debt. There are not many investments like that. Which makes it very easy for China or anybody else to easily sell such debt if they wish to - there are never shortage of buyers.

Respect55:
What u *copied* is true and false. False in the sense that a philosopher starts where his predecessor stopped. I don't think you know that. And you have to start philosophizing by attacking and criticizing those who have philosophised earlier.
A conclusion is said to be valid insofar it can be inferred. From the first and second premisses. Descartes did that. That they criticized his work does not remove the validity of his claims.

I will answer u more tomorrow

Ok. Just prove to me how existence of thinking proves existence of Renee Decartes (or that Renee causes the existence of thinking - which of course implies that thinking would disappear if Renee disappeared - which somehow it hasn’t!)

Amujale:
No, the Romans made that all up using fake and plagiarised text from more older philosophies.

The Romans were highly educated for their time and they sure made evil use of their talent.

May the Almighty God punish the souls of the authors of the christian bible for years that amount to an infinity.

May the Almighty God punish those that are currently preaching christianity and all other manufactured religions to Africans eventhough they themselves know that all of it is fake.

May the Almighty God touch the hearts of the ignorant and set them free from mental depredation; they are not to blame.

May the Almighty God continue to bless Africa and all our people for ever more.

Africans will progress and put all our enemies to shame.

Jews were reading and following the Torah and the Talmud (which are our Old Testament) long before the existence of Rome. And they are still following them today while totally rejecting the New Testament and Jesus as Messiah.
Rather God punish those that have deceived u and distracted u from the fact that Christianity is not about books and traditions but about following a Spirit.

Respect55:
His premises are valid and as such the conclusion can't be said to be fallacious else u fall guilty of contradiction

Mr. philosopher his premise is not valid. Here are some reasons why

**An objection, as presented by Georg Lichtenberg, is that rather than supposing an entity that is thinking, Descartes should have said: "thinking is occurring." That is, whatever the force of the cogito, Descartes draws too much from it; the existence of a thinking thing, the reference of the "I," is more than the cogito can justify.

**The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard calls the phrase a tautology.
Here, the cogito has already assumed the "I"'s existence as that which thinks. For Kierkegaard, Descartes is merely "developing the content of a concept", namely that the "I", which already exists, thinks. As Kierkegaard argues, the proper logical flow of argument is that existence is already assumed or presupposed in order for thinking to occur, not that existence is concluded from that thinking.

**The Scottish philosopher John Macmurray rejects the cogito outright in order to place action at the center of a philosophical system he entitles the Form of the Personal. "We must reject this, both as standpoint and as method. If this be philosophy, then philosophy is a bubble floating in an atmosphere of unreality." The reliance on thought creates an irreconcilable dualism between thought and action in which the unity of experience is lost, thus dissolving the integrity of our selves, and destroying any connection with reality. In order to formulate a more adequate cogito, Macmurray proposes "I do therefore I am".

Niyi74:
Well, I'm not interested in convincing anyone about his existence. My earlier submission was for those who earnestly seek. Jesus spoke in parables. The essence of parables is to hide the core message so that the impatient will walk away or jump into conclusions, while the humble and genuine seekers will ask further questions, get answers and receive understanding.

Christ, as portrayed by the Romans in the Bible doesn't exist. That was implied in my previous post. The story of his virgin birth, death, ressurrection etc. as portrayed in the Bible all have their rooting in many Greco-Roman mythologies and indigenous religion, one of which is the cult of Mithras.

There are so many secrets that I can't continue to reveal here about how desperately those who hate the truth have tried to subdue the true message of Jesus. For example, if you don't read the teachings of Jesus within the context of the dilemma of the Jews under Roman occupation, you may never understand His revolutionary message. Examine the book titled "The Secret message of Jesus" by Brian D. McLaren.

That's why any true disciple of Jesus must look beyond the Bible to understand His core teachings. There are other books that were excluded from the Bible as "heresy" while some were destroyed or buried (like the red sea scrolls) because they expose the fraud currently being perpetrated in the name of Christianity.

The confusion created by those who desperately seek to subvert and revise the core teachings of Jesus for selfish reasons, is responsible for the reasonable doubt about his actual existence today. No reasonable person will believe a virgin birth without asking questions. And when you ask a question about some of the lies without getting convincing answers, you begin to justifiably doubt everything to the very existence of the source itself.

My advise to all "Christians" reading this is to seek earnestly, the secret message of Jesus. When you find the truth, you will stop worshipping "Christ" and start following Jesus. When you assimilate His core teachings, you will realise why every earthly authority will try to subdue the message. Martin Luther King for example looked beyond the Bible and discovered the core teachings of Jesus. Just like the true disciples before King, he spread the revolutionary message and also suffered same fate as Jesus. The core teachings are revolutionary and the few who are hell-bent on keeping the masses in perpetual darkness will continue to attempt to subdue it. The so-called second coming of Jesus is actually the moment when the TRUTH about his message will finally be made bare to the world. That is when the Kingdom of Heaven will be established on earth and when the World will know peace.

Christianity is spiritual. Either u have (or at least are on the side of) that Spirit or u r not. All these u see giving testimonies about deliverance or miracles performed in their lives by the Spirit don’t know all these u talk about. They don’t need to. Remember the earliest disciples had no books like bible yet they were the most productive -the Spirit was in them

Amujale:
Constantine is a historical figure, a real person.

Jesus is a figment of the imagination of the Roman Catholic Church.

Have you seen a picture of Jesus?

Who painted that picture?

Everytime you bow down to a picture or image of Jesus, you infact worshiping the famous renaissance architect Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni.

Its all a massive con.

Emperor Constantine was a ruthless dictator

One that manufactured christianity so as to subdue the Roman peasants and kept them paying taxes.

Furthermore, the life of Jesus according to the bible is a carbon copy of the military campaign of Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasianus.

Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasianus was a real person.

Did the Romans also manufacture the Jewish Old Testament that’s filled with prophesies about the coming of Christ? Did they also produce all the miracles done in that name or the fact that dark forces retreat upon that name.

Respect55:
It's obvious u aren't a philosopher

Ok, mr philosopher explain why he was wrong

Look at the insipid replies here. Where is the outrage. Where is the “let’s put pressure and make sure this just doesn’t die”?

9jaRealist:
Meanwhile, just in case your memory needs refreshing...
Here’s what I actually wrote - it’s a distinction with a DIFFERENCE!

Do you know the meaning of the word “IMPLY”?
In actuality US owes China nothing. If China chooses they can easily sell those papers and people will snap them up. They choose not to.
Meanwhile here is education for you:
Do you know that anybody that owns US dollars is in debt to the Federal Reserve? That $100 bill in your pocket means u owe $100 yet u see it as meaning u have $100. Read what’s written on it - that u promise to pay the US Fedral Reserve $100 on demand. So my friend there are debts then there are “debts”. Educate yourself.

9jaRealist:
You mean like China has told all African countries “Ok, give us back our $billions”?
You drivel on about “common sense” and financial literacy, and yet do not seem to grasp the basics about how sovereign debt works.

Meanwhile, China is also placing tariffs on US goods (while lowering same for competing goods from the EU and other countries), excluding the US from entire sectors, limiting what several US companies (such as Google or Facebook) can do in China. Just because Dotard Trump stumbles from one idiocy to the next - pulling out of the Paris Climate Change Accord, the Iran nuclear deal, etc. - does not change basics.
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Google clearly defined sovereign debt for you. It means national debt and US has $22 trillion. Stop making a fool of yourself.
African countries are not waging a trade war against China. Stop making a fool of yourself.
US is the only one that owes China $1Trillion. Is US behaving like a country that owes China anything? Is that how someone behaves when they owe u money?
Quit making a fool of yourself

9jaRealist:
The US is not only the world’s biggest debtor but also the biggest market...
China (as with most countries with intelligent leadership) is playing the LONG game. Tantrums and ego is for Nairalanders.
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Even if u r financially illiterate, use your common sense:
Trump is waging trade war against China, banning their companies, imposing tariffs on their products. If all debt is same as u imply, why doesn’t China say: “Ok, give us back our $1 trillion”. Think.

9jaRealist:
In that case, it’s even more irrelevant to the discourse at hand...
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So it is irrelevant that China has to buy dollars to be able to trade internationally? If she wishes, how long do U think it will take US to print enough $100 bills to liquidate her debt to China?!

9jaRealist:
Almost 30% of sovereign debt (or treasuries)...
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Boss USA sovereign debt is about $22 trillion. Out of which about 1 trillion is owed to China and about 1 trillion to Japan. See below.
(BTW how come Japan doesn’t make noise like China)

& results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Uganda 1 1 0 0 +2 3
2 �� Egypt 1 1 0 0 +1 3
3 �� Zimbabwe 1 0 0 1 -1 0
4 �� DR Congo 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 22 Egypt 1-0 Zimbabwe 9pm Cairo International Stadium
June 22 DR Congo 0-2 Uganda 3:30pm Cairo International Stadium
June 26 Egypt vs DR Congo 9pm Cairo International Stadium
June 26 Uganda vs Zimbabwe 6pm Cairo International Stadium
June 30 Uganda vs Egypt 8pm Cairo International Stadium
June 30 Zimbabwe vs DR Congo 8pm 30 June Stadium
Africa Cup of Nations Group B tables, fixtures & results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Nigeria 1 1 0 0 +1 3
2 �� Guinea 1 0 1 0 0 1
3 �� Madagascar 1 0 1 0 0 1
4 �� Burundi 1 0 0 1 -1 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 22 Nigeria 1-0 Burundi 6pm Alexandria Stadium
June 22 Guinea 2-2 Madagascar 9pm Alexandria Stadium
June 26 Nigeria vs Guinea 3:30pm Alexandria Stadium
June 27 Madagascar vs Burundi 3:30pm Alexandria Stadium
June 30 Madagascar vs Nigeria 5pm Alexandria Stadium
June 30 Burundi vs Guinea 5pm Al Salam Stadium
Africa Cup of Nations Group C tables, fixtures & results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Algeria 1 1 0 0 +2 3
2 �� Senegal 1 1 0 0 +2 3
3 �� Kenya 1 0 0 1 -2 0
4 �� Tanzania 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 23 Senegal 2-0 Tanzania 6pm 30 June Stadium
June 23 Algeria 2-0 Kenya 9pm 30 June Stadium
June 27 Senegal vs Algeria 6pm 30 June Stadium
June 27 Kenya vs Tanzania 9pm 30 June Stadium
July 1 Kenya vs Senegal 8pm 30 June Stadium
July 1 Tanzania vs Algeria 8pm Al Salam Stadium
Africa Cup of Nations Group D tables, fixtures & results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Morocco 1 1 0 0 +1 3
2 �� Ivory Coast 1 1 0 0 +1 3
3 �� South Africa 1 0 0 1 -1 0
4 �� Namibia 1 0 0 1 -1 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 23 Morocco 1-0 Namibia 3:30pm Al Salam Stadium
June 24 Ivory Coast 1-0 South Africa 3:30pm Al Salam Stadium
June 28 Morocco vs Ivory Coast 6pm Al Salam Stadium
June 28 South Africa vs Namibia 9pm Al Salam Stadium
July 1 South Africa vs Morcoco 5pm Al Salam Stadium
July 1 Namibia vs Ivory Coast 5pm Cairo International Stadium
Africa Cup of Nations Group E tables, fixtures & results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Mali 1 1 0 0 +3 3
2 �� Tunisia 1 0 1 0 0 1
3 �� Angola 1 0 1 0 0 1
4 �� Mauritania 1 0 0 1 -3 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 24 Tunisia 1-1 Angola 6pm Suez Stadium
June 24 Mali 4-1 Mauritania 9pm Suez Stadium
June 28 Tunisia vs Mali 3:30pm Suez Stadium
June 29 Mauritania vs Angola 3:30pm Suez Stadium
July 2 Mauritania vs Tunisia 8pm Suez Stadium
July 2 Angola vs Mali 8pm Ismailia Stadium
Africa Cup of Nations Group F tables, fixtures & results

Pos Team GP W D L GD Pts
1 �� Cameroon 1 1 0 0 +2 3
2 �� Ghana 1 0 1 0 0 1
3 �� Benin 1 0 1 0 0 1
4 �� Guinea-Bissau 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Fixtures

Date Game Time (UK) Venue
June 25 Cameroon 2-0 Guinea-Bissau 6pm Ismailia Stadium
June 25 Ghana 2-2 Benin 9pm Ismailia Stadium
June 29 Cameroon vs Ghana 6pm Ismailia Stadium
June 29 Benin vs Guinea-Bissau 9pm Ismailia Stadium
July 2 Benin vs Cameroon 5pm Ismailia Stadium
July 2 Guinea-Bissau vs Ghana 5pm Suez Stadium
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DREagon:
35 yearrrsss no no no no
I don't encourage yahoo boys, but this one is to harsh,

And the real scammers (our politicians) are walking around living comfortably.

He was actually given 7 years in reality. That’s what “cucurrently” means

Hurrikane3000:
35 yrs,,, how many people did he kill, they should have gave him 10 or 15 at most for the five count charge, 35 yrs is too much for a yahoo boy,
our wicked politicians don't get up to 10 yrs [

He was actually given 7 years in reality. That’s what “cucurrently” means

Temple1288:
Despite the debt, America is still mounting pressure on China's economy doesn't that show you that African type of borrowing is different and don't be surprised if they signed some shîtty papers on how Africans will be you used as collateral.

Word.
Funny how people seem to always defend where they live EXCEPT we living in Naija

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