₦airaland Forum

ise82:
Don’t mind them. Fools everywhere following without evidence. Show us evidence; take the pastor to court.

Direct evidence may no longer exist. That’s why u look at the person’s history and who else is accusing him. That’s how Bill Cosby went to jail. Only if someone with a clean past is suddenly accused by only one person should u be so sceptical.

GoTV:
The freedom Nigerian women enjoys breeds the evil and abominable idea of feminism which is the driving force of false rape accusations. Timi and his foolish wife should be locked up and keys thrown in the ocean for bringing disrepute to Christianity.
The federal government should enforce the death penalty for false accusations of rape . Until this is done, there will be more women coming out to bring men down with rape.

NWAMAIPKE IS BAAACK!
Welcome back bro. Didn’t miss u though. Kudos to the mod that banned u.
(You have a new moniker but I know it’s u. Only u can talk like this)

Mosesotu123:
werey woman wan do investigation, na wa o

Werey and broke - bad combination. But some silly mod keep putting her on front page

Astrodome, tolijascro, you guys write well, unlike most NLers

9jaRealist:
Meanwhile, don’t drink alcohol but will hold you to a non-alcoholic tipple some other time. Cheers!
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Lol thanks for clearing that up - I was becoming convinced you’ve been imbibing!
But seriously, Chinese govt is just too SECRETIVE, DISHONEST, and TOTALITARIAN.
Countries don’t even know how much they can safely lend other countries because they don’t how much they already owe to China! Even their stated foreign debt below, how do we know it’s not much more than that

Simply unbelievable.

PoliteActivist:
Wow!! I never even knew that China and Japan has ANY debt! When their debt posture is even worse than that of USA! So why all the noise?! Thanks for the eye-opener bro.

U r welcome bro. We all learnt something one way or another. Everyone I argued with on the thread, I consider u all now friends of sorts. No hard feelings whatsoever.

China’s debt threatens world economy.
Remember China is very secretive and dishonest. We are only going by what they admit to.
(Also see my prior screenshots)

9jaRealist:
China holds almost 30% of US foreign debt...
By your analogy that makes the US China’s b*tch! grin

He thinks nobody will notice he changed “sovereign” to “foreign”. If a guy can be so dishonest in a faceless internet forum, the kind of lies he’d be telling in real life!!

Here the true quote;

Poor China

Awer

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PoliteActivist:
Actually you are the one misleading people by making it seem USA owes China regular debt (the 9jarealist guy actually said the debt "makes US China's bitch". The canadaorbust guy is right - read his posts and screenshots. Just like money, countries/people are ready to snap up US Tbills (BTW it is paper) from China. US is not in any way beholden to China because of them just as USA is not belden to anyone simply because they have a trillion US dollars.

Thank you! Deceiving ignorant people - US is China’s bitch, China owns US. When nothing could be further from the truth. China HAS TO hold unto those papers because they desperately need the dollar to stay strong and that’s one way of having some control over that.
Notice he is no longer arguing that China owns 30% of US national debt. At least he has conceded that. Very stubborn guy

9jaRealist:
A little education can be worse than none at all...

First, you seem at sea here, and thus proceed to chase the shadow of whether or not treasury bills and N1000 are both “paper” (presumably meaning both are issued in paper form, which one supposes this would exclude coins from your tortured “money is debt” illogicality) instead of the substance that treasury bills are NOT like N1000 bills because the former actually has to be REPAID with interest as per terms/conditions.

Meanwhile, the govt has NEVER given me (nor tens of millions of Nigerians) N1000 worth of goods and services for the N1000 bill we have, because a N1000 is not (and has never been) a debt by the government to the holder (and now I see that “debt” is in quotes apparently for cheap polemic flexibility ). A N1000 note is LEGAL TENDER (a concept you seem befuddled by), not debt. Repeat that 1000 times.
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WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS GUY??!! I thought he has given up!!
Guy, do you even have google or u just say stuff. Do u even read the screenshots I post?
MONEY IS AN IOU!!! It is all over the internet. Google is available to everyone! Money is a type of iou that the govt will recognize as legal tender.
And (I’m tempted to call u mumu) I state things in a simplified way or I’ll have to write a book.
The way US owes China is about the same way Nigerian govt owes Dangote because he has piles of Naira.

Look, I’m done with you. I don’t think you have google but you have my screenshots including the one below. Read them. Educate yourself.
Good luck.

“Without option of fine” I like that - unless she’s already finished the 4 months (in detention)

grandstar:
I googled for info and I saw this result

"Citizens of Nigeria can also obtain a visa on arrival for a stay of up to 30 days. Rwanda e-visa is required for citizens of Nigeria. Unfortunately, at this time VisaHQ does not provide service for e-visas to Rwanda. Take advantage of our extensive embassy and consular database to find the nearest one."

Thank u sooo much. 30 days is ok. I’ll start packing my bags

GOFRONT:

Satan sef wan follow blame pst Fatoyinbo....Wonder shall never end..


It is like a pot trying to call a kettle black....

Well, sex is sweet, but
Sex is sweet but kILL faster than Otapiapia!!

Please but pretty please remove that your Nwamaipke stuff. He was a disgusting fellow, fond of making inappropriate and insensitive posts that hurt many people.

grandstar:
Government, governance and power are tricky subjects and should be viewed from many parameters and not treated in a vacuum.

The president in Rwanda was able to achieve a lot because he hired technocrats and initiated and implemented progressive policies. He was also honest and clean and dedicated to the country.

He also had a lot of power to effect the necessary changes because he seized power through war and was therefore not beholden to powerful interest groups who would have frustrated reforms that would have hurt them. Because he was very clean and was well educated, he fought corruption by implementing policies that prevented graft in the first place, hired clean hands and was determined to punish crooks.

Also, when he assumed power, the inherited weak institutions. It is more easy to bring changes when institutions are weak. A leader can not only make them strong but also mould them into the shape he desires.

Do u live there? Do Nigerians need visa to come?

Ferdinandu:
No

Actually that your analysis sounds good but doesn’t jibe with real life - many people who commit suicide are loved and have loved ones around them

9jaRealist:
Nope! It is most definitely NOT the same...

What people like CanadaOrBust do not understand is, that unlike the N1000 note you have in your pocket, US treasury bills (he can call it “paper” all he wants as if it’s fungible) have to be REDEEMED! In other words, not substantively unlike the debt that African countries take on, the principal and the interest (coupon) has to be repaid according to specifically provided terms and conditions, including timelines. The fact that US treasuries are virtually (emphasis on virtually) risk-free does NOT render them as non-debt but merely is reflected in the coupon/yield and such other terms and conditions of issuance. Meanwhile, US treasuries are used to finance govt expenditure - just like African govts debt.
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U r talking like mumu. IT IS PAPER! Just like the N1000 note in your pocket. It is also “debt” the way the money in your pocket is debt. The govt prints worthless paper acknowledging they owe you N1000. They exchange it for your real N1000 worth of goods and services. They are not begging u to take it or keep it because someone else will take it. Same situation between US and China.
That trillion $ “debt” is actually more binding on China than US because a weaker dollar will hurt China much more than it hurts US.
STOP ARGUING NONESENSE!

budaatum:
I strongly advise you do more research into this. If US can print money shouldn't you wonder why the word "debt" would apply in the first place?

Would you owe anyone if you had a money printer?

The money u have in your pocket is also debt. See above. There is debt, then there is “debt”.

Jayess:
Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand, I have always wondered, how US could owe that much.

U r welcome.
What people like 9jarealist don’t understand is that the 1000 naira note u have in your pocket is the same as the US paper China has - it is a promise (an IOU) by the government to pay you N1000. But no one ever returns the N1000 notes to the govt because there are always other people willing to take it from you in exchange for goods or services.

Amujale:
You are missing the point.

God created you with a free brain, yet you arent making good use of it.

Stop trying to deflect the reality that you are being conned by first century Romans into believing ficticious characters from inside a biblography.

The bible is not what it claims to be, instead it's a biblography, a compilation of various stories and typologies from accross the globe, the contents which have been re-packaged, sex-ed up or outrightly fabricated.

You are the one TOTALLY missing the point - the point that what you believe is RIDICULOUS! You keep repeating the same inanities.

I’ve already told you that my Christianity is spiritual. That the existence of the Bible is only tangential to it. That sometimes the best Christians are illiterate. That the earliest and most effective Christians never had the Bible.

Now compare that to your CONVOLUTED belief below:

The Romans had many gods that they fervently worshipped including their emperor whose perceived divinity is the basis for a lot of his authority. The same emperor now goes to a lot of trouble to oversee the writing of a book that teaches that there is only one god, that this foreign god is the only true god, that the rest are false man-made gods, and that he, the emperor is not a god at all but a mere human being, nothing good ever said about him in the book. Same book then goes on to present his beloved empire in a very bad light to the extent that they are the ones who tortured and killed the hero. The book also says his empire is corrupt and sinful and would soon come crashing down!

That is what u believe!!

Look inwards and honestly ask yourself:
“WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME??!!”

May The Spirit reveal Himself to you.
Good luck.

Respect55:
Sorry I won't reply u again

QED

Amujale:
In a way, you have answered your own question.



These are the actual truth.

Furthermore, the ancient Palestinians/Jews were militaristic as was their religious concepts.

Their messaiah was a military commander and that was constantly causing problems for Rome.

Hence, the Romans deviced their strategy that involved plagerizing bits and pieces of their religion and began their campaign to create Christianity.

Taking into consideration some of their own religious concepts and syncretising with the then poplular Hellenistic elements, producing a non-violent character that would stop their peasants in their tracks.


The Jesus Character was invented by the Romans using different and more older divinities from around the world. e.g. Ra, Osiris, Horus, Krishna, Budhha, Merlin e.t.c.

Then he was "Euhemerized", stories were created that placed him interacting with historical figures i.e Ceasar, King Herod e.t.c

Then they gave him all sorts of supernatural abilities.

Dying-and -Rising Divinities thar predate Christianity:

Obatala: Appearing in the Itapa festival, Obatala is a dying and rising Orisa. The three-day rhythm of descent into the netherworld and the subsequent ressurrection on the third day.

Osiris: Egyptian deity, those baptized into his death and resurrection are saved in the afterlife.

Romulus: Roman state deity, has death and resurrection celebrated annualy.

Zalmoxis: Thracian deity, his death and resurrection assures followers of eternal life.


Deities, Kings and Queens with a miraculous birth:

Ra
Horus
Apis
Krishna
Budhha
Merlin
Llew Llaw
Attis of Phrygia
Julius Ceasar
Odysseus
Romulus
Dionysus
Heracles
Glycon
Zoroaster
Apollonius of Tyana
e.t.c

Amazing what people can believe! What is wrong with you??!! Here is what u believe in a nutshell:

The Romans had many gods that they fervently worshipped including their emperor whose perceived divinity is the basis for a lot of his authority. The same emperor now goes to a lot of trouble to oversee the writing of a book that teaches that there is only one god, that this foreign god is the only true god, that the rest are false man-made gods, and that he, the emperor, is not a god at all but a mere human being, nothing good ever said about him in the book. Same book then goes on to present his beloved empire in a very bad light to the extent that they are the ones who tortured and killed the hero. The book also says his empire is corrupt and sinful and would soon come crashing down!

That is what u believe!!

Look inwards and honestly ask yourself:
“WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME??!!”

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Respect55:
I don't actually get u well..

Are u saying that Renée's existence can't be established

OR

That the Cogito is fallacious?

Clear me and I will answer u

U r Mr Philosopher. U know exactly what I mean. Cogito is of course fallacious - the “I” at the beginning already assumes that “I” exists which had not yet been proven, and which the statement purports to be out to prove. You can’t prove that something exists by first already concluding it exists - that’s what’s wrong with cogito.

Amujale:
Are you even reading my responses?



The Romans created their Abrahamic text so as to subdue all their poor citizens.

In order to assume full controll of all their dormain.

U r the one not reading. HOW? Rome was an empire dependent on military might and war. How does it benefit them to create a book that cast them in bad light and whose hero was a pacifist whose credo was “turn the other cheek” and who preached that the emperor is not god and that the empire would disappear? THINK. Stop regurgitating what was put in your head by nutty conspirationists

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Amujale:
Most of the chapters of the New Testaments are forgeries and fabrications.

There's nothing Godly about Abrahamic text. The original concepts they copied into the bible however, may have a better claim. But that is has nothing to do with th liars, murderers and cheats that authored the christian bible.

The bible is an instrument of Roman propaganda, pure fantasy, falsity and fakery.

Roman propaganda to what end. HOW DID IT BENEFIT THE ROMANS?!!

Amujale:
You need to STOP reading the bible, instead STUDY what you claim to be reading.

I have read the entire pages of that book of propaganda more than once, something you probably have not.

The bible is a fraud, is not what it claims to be, instead its a compilation of various stories and typologies from accross the globe, the contents which have been re-packaged, sex-ed up or outrightly fabricated.

Many historians have studied all these Abrahamic text and conclude most of those writtings to be false, fake and counterintutive.

The authors of the bible are guilty of a huge amount of criminality.

Once again You didn’t answer the question: MOTIVE.
The Romans have long since disappeared yet the Word keep waxing stronger even after 2000 years.
Look at the Biblical extract below. See how prophetic. Does it seem to you like something made up

35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

Amujale:
Thats the reason historians are in no doubt that the Romans are responsible for the conspiracy to Invent "the greatest person in their story".

Christianity did not begin as a religion, but is actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

The story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to subdue their poor citizens.

Most of The Old Testaments was stolen from more older philosophies from around the world, whilst the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and they are the ones who incorporated and entirely fabricated all these stories.

Professor Bruno Bauer in his work of 1877 'Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that Romans authored the New Testament and that Flavians invented Jesus.

Historians have been able to determine those Roman Aristocrats that wrote every chapter of the New Testament name by name.

For example, the book of Mark was the first of the Gospels to have been written, and was done in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form we are familiar with today. The earlier version was called " Ur Marcus" and is also known as 'Q' ( Quelle, German for the source)

The earliest version of Mark shows that this was written
at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most probably did not give a name to the 'messiah'. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played 'Jesus' in the Gospels - Arrius Piso.

The version you are familiar with was written about the yeae 73 C.E. by Arrius Calpurnius Piso also known by the name Flavius Josephus.

For more imformation you will want to get yourself a copy of the booklet titled 'The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlun.

Once again, MOTIVE.
You haven’t said HOW, WHERE, AND WHEN the Bible benefited the Romans.
Read the Bible then listen to your gut instinct. Stop imbibing all these discredited consperacy theories.
How did the Romans know that the words of Christ would last for two thousand years - long after they themselves have disappeared, and put it in the Bible!