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1025: somebody knows that somebody drinks a lot so he took somebody to somewhere close to alcohol. believe u me, all these meetings yield nothing and adds nothing to our welfare.
normal leaders do their home work very well and the whole world will come calling. you don't go about preaching to people to come and invest when it is well known around the world that we have a cabal that is more powerful than presidency. they know that we have a boko haram that does not run short or arms even when our military is exhausted with arms. they know there is a kidnapping gangs that cannot be subdued by govt. they know that militants dictates the pace. how do u convince them to come when the ones u left at home are running to ghana?
somebody should advise jonathan to come home and fix things. oyibo does not like darkness. they hate insecuirty. they are used to good roads. they don't enjoy giving bribes. corrupt govt kill their businesses. a whole lot of things are wrong here and if fixed, i bet u, we will explode like bomb and every dick and harry will fight to be here because we have the market to make any business man rich.
if u like, spend ur tenure travelling to the whole world like ur boss, nothing will change. if u like travel with over 5,000 nigerians, nobody will take u serious.
personally, emotionally, specifically, dramatically, psychologically, physically, biologically, spiritually, internationally and exceptionally, PDP, NIGERIA AND THIS GOVT IS FAR FROM THE TRUTH

You are not getting the whole picture, if the US govt wants to get rid of that so called cabal tomorrow all they need to do is finance a coup and they will be overthrown and that will be the end of them, it is in the interest of the US to keep these crooks in power because they have already cut deals with these crooks who have promised them heaven and earth - if you want to know more about the genesis of boko haram i suggest you find out about the genesis of al qaeda which is a creation of US intelligence aka CIA.

Nigeria is a puppet state of the US that is all yu need to know and puppet states DO AS THEY ARE TOLD , Badluck does not make any decision in nigeria without first consulting the people who have made it possible for him to remain in office- never ever for one minute think that Badluck has any control over anything that happens in nigeria, him and his so called cabal will be history the minute3 the US decide to get rid of them, Mubarak of Egypt used to be their favourite puppet but when he stop following orders the US govt orchestrated the so called arab spring and he was out - that is how it works, america has the military might and they use it to force weaker nations to fall into line, any country that goes against them gets taken down and nigeria will not be the exception should such a situation arise.

barcanista: See haters, whether NY or WH, the crux of the matter is that the President of the World's Most Powerful Nation met with the President of the Most Powerful Black Nation.


Oya haters make una begin rant.....


This mEeting will keep re-occurring till May 29,2019(and beyond).

The world's most powerful black nation - are you on crack?

Shell BP, Chevron and Exxon Mobil control your govts do you know that?

jmaine: Your aimless, futile, fruitless trashing and ranting online changes nothing , it only represents wasteful foolishness . . .

You are just another demented toad hopping and trashing about to no where.
When your frustrated rant about those placed several heavens above you changes a Nano particle of events, then we might begin to take you serious.

Again, you are just another nonentity without worth . . .

no doubt poverty and lack of a decent education has blinded you to the truth and this is why like a sheep without a shepherd you continue to kiss the ars..e of a man who is not even fit to run a fast food shop let alone a country. it is because of id.iots like you that nigeria will remain a stagnant cess pit overflowing with illiterates like yourself who feel blessed that they are being led by a dim witted slave who is nothing more than a glorified houseboy for the US and british govt.

jmaine: A nonentity seething online changes nothing . . . .

You are currently beneath him . . . .Deal with it . . . .

How can i be beneath a grown man who feels no shame in running to america to ring a stu.pid bell at the NYSE when the economy of his own country is in complete shambles and where over 70% of his own citizens live in grinding poverty.

Doesnt this fool understand that the west never respects cowards, he is Obama's bi.tch that's why you see him laughing like a love sick teenager in those pics, no dignity, no balls, nothing - just grateful to be in the presence of his master - shame!

jmaine: Still occupying an esteemed position your entire lineage will never smell or occupy in light years . . . .

Beat that !!!

esteemed s.hit carrier for the US and British govt -is that your idea of an esteemed position?

Subservient, cowardly and lacking in self respect - those are the signals Badluck's body language gives off - no wonder he is treated disrespectfully - the US govt know that nigeria is run by a bunch of cowardly slaves and they are treated accordingly, you can see from Obama's body language that he does not think much of Badluck, Obama's body language screams: YOU ARE MY INFERIOR, YOU ARE NO THREAT TO ME, I WILL TREAT YOU WITH THE CONTEMPT THAT I RESERVE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT MY EQUALS.

keep ringing that bell for your masters while 70% of your population lives below the poverty line, shame!

Nobody in their right mind takes anything that John McCain says seriously because the man has demonstrated time and time again that he is a war mongering sociopath.

This is a man who lied about being tortured by the viet cong during the vietnam war, this is a man whose academic and military track record are a joke, this is a man who sold out his fellow POWs in exchange for a very lucrative political career. Even his vietnam vets have no respect for him and describe his vietnam track record as a disgrace, had he not been the son of a navy admiral he would have been courtmartialled and by now would have been living in penury, therefore to spend even one second of valuable time on this man is a waste.

During his unremarkable career as a navy pilot in the vietnam war he dropped tons of bombs on defenceless vietnamese civillians - he bombed schools, orphanages, hospitals, churches, temples and anything that moved - this evil old man still shows no remorse for the horrors he inflicted on innocent civillians but instead is beating the war drum for more innocent blood to be spilt.

I hope he gets his comeuppance soon.

lucky Don: From my observations here,u guys are all anti Americans.U all have forgetten the heavy price that American servicemen paid for the actualisation of freedom as from the second world war.
I know they are not saints but their sacrifices must always be appreciated.

You keep repeating the lies that you are drip fed by Fox, CNN, BBC, MSNBC et al -

You need to start thinking for yourself, read unbiased accounts of history, stop reading books written by people or organisations that have a vested interest in the corrupt US system - you can start here:

http://mtwsfh..co.uk/

Did you know that many of america's richest industrialists and top govt officials were in bed with the Nazis before and during the second world war?

lucky Don: I can never be brainwashed because I have access to history books/materials and I keep my self updated daily with what happens at the global community.
In as much I believe that the yanks are not saints,I know for sure that they are far more better than the Russians and guarantees world security.

The fact that you keep yourself updated by reading history books does not mean that you know the whole story, dont forget history is usually written to suit the victors and not the vanquished.

Many western historian write sanitised versions of history in order to make their countries look honourable and america is no exception.

Russia has its chequered past, no-one is denying that , infact russia is known all over the world for being one of the most racist countries as far as blacks are concerned but america has committed so many atrocities against weaker nations of the world that it has no right to stand in judgement against any country of the world.

I dont know how you arrived at that conclusion that america guarantees world security when it has been responsible for starting 3 wars in the middle east and north africa alone within a space of just 10 years.

It also supplies weapons to some of the most tyrannical regimes in the world and props up brutal dictatorships most notably the saudi dictatorship who are as we speak arming and training those terrorists that are destabilising syria.

lucky don - some more info for you:

Chemical companies, US authorities knew dangers of Agent Orange
Jon DillinghamAugust 10, 2009


Those responsible for exposing Vietnamese citizens and US troops to toxic defoliants kept silent about known health implications, a review of documents finds.

US chemical companies that made Agent Orange and the government and military authorities who ordered its spraying on Vietnam knew the human health toll it could take, according to official and unofficial documents detailing the history of the deadly defoliant.


A review of the documents related to the use of Agent Orange – a dioxin-laden herbicide – in Vietnam, including decades-old declassified papers from the companies that manufactured it and the government and military that used it, provides compelling evidence that those in charge also concealed evidence of the devastating effects it could have on people.


Mum’s the word

A declassified letter by V.K. Rowe at Dow’s Biochemical Research Library to Bioproducts Manager Ross Milholland dated June 24, 1965 clearly states that the company knew the dioxin in their products, including Agent Orange, could hurt people.
In reference to 2,4,5,-trichlorophenol and 2,3,7,8, -tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (components of Agent Orange), Rowe stated:
“This material is exceptionally toxic; it has a tremendous potential for producing chloracne and systemic injury.”

Images inserted by TheWE.cc
Rowe worried the company would suffer if word got out.
“The whole 2,4,5-T industry would be hard hit and I would expect restrictive legislation, either barring the material or putting very rigid controls upon it.”
So he said the company should keep quiet about the toxicity:
“There is no reason why we cannot get this problem under strict control and thereby hopefully avoid restrictive legislation ... I trust you will be very judicious in your use of this information.
It could be quite embarrassing if it were misinterpreted or misused ...
P.S. Under no circumstances may this letter be reproduced, shown, or sent to anyone outside of Dow.”
Dow played its cards right, never getting in serious trouble. The spraying of Agent Orange in Vietnam went on for another six years.
Dow did not return phone calls and emails requesting comment on the Agent Orange issue.
Could have manufactured without dioxin but process slower and more expensive

In the latest case of US veterans trying to sue Dow and Monsanto for their cancers related to Agent Orange exposure, Supreme Court Documents related to a petition for a Writ of Certiorari in Daniel Raymond Stephenson, et al., petitioners, v. Dow Chemical Company, Monsanto Company, et al., respondents, further implicates the companies in cover-ups and misinformation.
The petitioners state that the companies knew their dioxins, such as those used in Agent Orange, were harmful and lied about it while concealing information, including the fact that several factory workers had fallen sick after exposure to dioxin.


As Vietnam War Scholar and US Veteran W.D. Ehrhart put it concisely in a Thanh Nien Daily interview last week: “It would be hard to describe Agent Orange as anything other than a chemical weapon. Dioxin is a chemical.”
So is arsenic

http://thewe.cc/weplanet/asia/vietnam/agent_orange_victims_of-US_herbicide_spraying_vietnam.htm

lucky Don: The yanks never targeted the civilians deliberately.It was out of desperation to bomb the vietcongs.And most importantly,they sprayed 20 million litters and not 80 million litters.And I would also like to remind u guys that many US servicemen were also affected by this agent orange especially those that applied it.

you seem to be more concerned about US soldiers who launched an unprovoked attack on a considerably weaker and smaller country than the vietnamese who lost an estimated 4 to 5 million lives (majority of whom were civillians) This is the problem with brainwashing it makes you incapable of reasoning in a logical manner.

lucky Don: I admit the the Yanks used agent orange in Vietnam during the war with severe consequences on the part of the civilians.But unfortunately,most people here don't know their reasons for using it.
They used it because enemy combatants ie vietcongs,north vietnamese soldiers mastered the act of hiding under the massive forests thereby undermining the American airpower.U S carrier based bombers were not able to hit their target accurately.
Agent orange was meant primarily for clearing the tick forests so that bombers can hit targets accurately.It wasn't a deliberate act to kill civilians.

what sort of reason could justify spraying millions of litres of a dangerous chemical on civillian populations? Havent you heard of the Geneva convention, even warfare must be conducted in accordance with certain rules and regulations. Also, the US govt were well aware of its toxic effect as cited from this excerpt from wikipedia:



"It has often been claimed that the contamination with dioxin was discovered only later. However, prior to Operation Ranch Hand (1962-1971), health-risks had become apparent, from several accidents in 2,4,5-T-production in the U.S. and in Europe.[40] The causes had been investigated, and results published[41] in 1957, specifically stating "tetrachlordibenzodioxine proved very active." Additionally "Boehringer, which used the relative safer low-temperature-process since 1957, in the same year warned the other producers of 2,4,5-TCP, which were using the high-t-process, pointing out the risk and providing suggestions how to avoid them."[42] Furthermore, Dr. James R. Clary (a former government scientist with the Chemical Weapons Branch, BW/CW Division ) has stated that "When we (military scientists) initiated the herbicide program in the 1960’s, we were aware of the potential for damage due to dioxin contamination in the herbicide. We were even aware that the ‘military' formulation had a higher dioxin concentration than the ‘civilian’ version due to the lower cost and speed of manufacture. However, because the material was to be used on the ‘enemy’, none of us were overly concerned."[43][44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

Horus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWcxmZxeUZU

VIETNAM American Holocaust

Thank you cap28, this is a highly informative and educational documentary

thanks bro, i found it very very informative too. This is a part of the US govts history that they are hoping the world will forget, sadly many do not know about it and this is why the US can continue to repeat what they did in vietnam in other countries ie iraq, libya, afghanistan.

NairaMinted: Highly recommended: The Untold History of the United States by Oliver Stone. It is a 10 part , 10 hours long documentary on the past, present and future of the American Empire

this was shown on sky (believe it or not) early this year - brilliant documentary - i'll look for it on youtube.

NairaMinted: Keep spreading the word Horus, tim107, thoth and cap28...Everyday more people see what the elites in America and their government truly is. The citizens by and large are good and decent but it is their corporate & Israeli controlled government, congress and military that are a threat to world peace. Time & time again, America gets discredited but the numerous zombies and sheeple fail to see what is right in front of them: irrefutable and undeniable

cheers bro

NL member: Link to video pls, thanks.

I'm on my fone now so I can't post the link but if u go on youtube type in vietnam american holocaust its quie a long documentary bt vry interesting

thoth: I noticed that whenever one presents a hard fact on the Evil Nature of American Imperialism all these american cunts would stay away from the thread...i was waiting for so long for any of them to pop up and try to defend this but they were no where to be found, meanwhile they are in other threads chanting war songs against Syria based on some manufactured data by the same Americans who perfected the use of chemical weapons, Nuclear Weapons and Biological Weapons...

I totally agree, many of these fools have no clue about america's past and present atrocities and continue to beat the drum for war against Syria. Today it is Syria tomorrow it could be Nigeria (although nigerian politicians are so gutless and cowardly they would never go against anything america orders them to do)

The other day i watched a video of american vietnam vets talking about the atrocities they committed while in vietnam, they all said that they did not see the vietnamese as human beings and therefore found it easy to kill without feeling anything for their victims, they were given orders from their commanding officers to go out and collect the ears of their victims as proof that they were doing enough killing , this also happened in iraq.

the good news is that many people are finally waking up to the atrocities that are being committed by the US govt in the name of humanitarian wars.

What makes this so tragic is the fact that america stands in judgement over other countries of the world.


Can you imagine a country like america criticising other countries for human rights abuse when it has dropped agent orange, depleted uranium, white phosphorus and many other deadly chemical weapons on various countries of the world.

If you go on youtube you will see horrific videos of children that are still being born with deformities as a reesult of these deadly chemicals that were dropped on their country over 35 years ago.

when master (US govt) comes calling slave (Badluck Jonathan) trips over himself in order to do his master's bidding, this is why the US govt love nigerians - easy to fool and manipulate.

While other countries like China, Brazil, South Africa and India are putting the final touches to a currency which will replace the US dollar as the world reserve currency, loyal slaves like Badluck continue to align themselves with the US dollar which is in its final stages of survival as anthe world reserve currency.

naijaking1: Very very symbolic. At least it shows the president believes in capitalism and not some sharia-communist crap.

You are completely clueless - where has capitalism got nigeria and its people in all these years - i'll tell you where - huge imf debt, mass poverty,mass unemployment, non existent healthcare, sub standard education system - do you want me to continue?

ringing bell at the nyse - is that supposed to show that you are a respected member of the international community or what?

how will ringing this bell bring economic development to nigeria?

nigeria is truly a lost cause and the usual US stooges are in attendance to witness badluck make a fool of himself (okonjo iweala et al)

shame!

She is simply wasting her breath, McCain is a senile old war monger who lost the plot years ago.

There is no point pleading with a sociopath, this is the same stance he took on libya, iraq and afghanistan, why would his view change this time around.

This evil old man was once a naval pilot during the vietnam war - he was responsible for dropping bombs on defenceless vietnamese women and children, you can read about his abysmal track record here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Naval_training.2C_first_marriage.2C_and_Vietnam_assignment

the man was and remains a complete failure.

The rule of zombies

Why Are Obama and Kerry So Desperate to Start a New War?

Paul Craig Roberts

What is the real agenda?

Why is the obama Regime so desperate to commit a war crime despite the warnings delivered to the White House Fool two days ago by the most important countries in the world at the G20 Summit?

What powerful interest is pushing the White House Fool to act outside of law, outside the will of the American people, outside the warnings of the world community?

The obama Regime has admitted, as UK prime minister david cameron had to admit, that no one has any conclusive evidence that the Assad government in Syria used chemical weapons. Nevertheless, obama has sent the despicable john kerry out to convince the public and Congress on the basis of videos that Assad used chemical weapons “against his own people.”

What the videos show are dead and suffering people. The videos do not show who did it. The obama Regime’s case is nonexistent. It rests on nothing that indicates responsibility. The obama Regime’s case is nothing but an unsubstantiated allegation.

What kind of depraved person would take the world to war based on nothing whatsoever but an unsubstantiated allegation?

The world’s two worse liars, obama and kerry, say Assad did it, but they admit that they cannot prove it. It is what they want to believe, because they want it to be true. The lie serves their undeclared agenda.

If obama and kerry were to tell the public the real reasons they want to attack Syria, they would be removed from office.

The entire world is teetering on a war, the consequences of which are unknown, for no other reason than two people, devoid of all integrity who lack the intelligence and humanity to be in high office, are determined to serve a tiny collection of warmongers consisting of the crazed, murderous Israeli government and their Muslim-hating neoconservative agents, who comprise a fifth column inside the obama Regime.

The Russian government has given evidence to the UN that conclusively proves that the al-Nusra, al-Qaeda affiliated invaders are responsible for the attack. There is also conclusive proof that the “rebels” have chemical weapons. In addition, a highly regarded journalist has reported, using direct quotes and the names of al-Nusra fighters, that the chemical weapons were given to al-Nusra by Saudi Arabia without proper handling instructions, and that an accidental explosion occurred before al-Nusra could use the Saudi-supplied weapons to frame-up the Assad government.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/08/the-rule-of-zombies-why-are-obama-and-kerry-so-desperate-to-start-a-new-war-paul-craig-roberts/

The US Government Stands Revealed to the World as a Collection of War Criminals and Liars

Paul Craig Roberts

Does the American public have the strength of character to face the fact that the US government stands before the entire world revealed as a collection of war criminals who lie every time that they open their mouth? Will Congress and the American public buy the White House lie that they must support war criminals and liars or “America will lose face”?

The obama regime’s lies are so transparent and blatant that the cautious, diplomatic President Putin of Russia lost his patience and stated the fact that we all already know: John Kerry is a liar. Putin said: “This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them [the Americans], and we assume they are decent people, but he [Kerry] is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36117.htm

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/05/the-us-government-stands-revealed-to-the-world-as-a-collection-of-war-criminals-and-liars/

The only jackasses at that summit were Obomber and his little lap dog Cam Mo..ron.

Infact Putin delivered an even worse insult on Obomber and the tyrannical US govt - he called the US secretary of state John Kerry A LIAR.

The US's credibility is in total shreds, russia exposed their lies by way of a 100 page dossier which proved that the chemical weapons attack was carried out by US and Saudi trained terrorists, what was the US's response to this? A FOUR PAGE document that a high school kid could have drafted - all of the other BRICS nations lined up with russia and china (south africa, India and brazil) only the corrupt europeans continued to repeat washington's lies, but at least the UK parliament had the common sense to know where to draw the line.

The US is heading into something which it may end up regretting bitterly - they are provoking russia and china into what will utlimately end in a nuclear confrontation but these sociopaths are so hung on clinging to power that they do not care if they destroy the whole world in the process.

As for those Saudi traitors - their come uppance will come soon - russia has already threatened to strike them if the US strikes Syria.

tumisang - i reread your response to thoth and i realised you were talking about south african investment in other african countries not western investment in africa - apologies if i went off the rails, however my position on south africa remains the same - south africa is regarded as an extension of europe with black puppets running the show, these black puppets have no real power and can only implement what they are instructed to do by the european and american multinationals and banks which control the south african economy.

Tumisang: By doing what? Investing in their countries, giving them millions in aid, giving millions of their citizens refuge? South Africa has done more than enough for this continent - more than enough!!



Are talking about the same black African nations that failed to launch a military offensive but instead continued to do business with apartheid South Africa? When black South Africans were braving bullets and fighting for their freedom you mofos were busy killing each other in your countless civil wars! Egypt? Now you're pushing it! Zim was still a colony, so there is no way they could've helped us! These are the countries that hosted our freedom fighters: Lesotho, Mozambique, Botswana, Zambia (especially), Tanzania and Uganda

Other than imposing sanction on apartheid regime, giving few speechs at the UN, Obasanjo giving Thabo Mbeki refuge, donating N$10-million to the ANC (note: not to SA but ANC) what exactly did Nigeria do to change the lives of ordinary black South Africans on the ground? A BIG NOTHING!

The only time black South Africans were killing each other was in the 90s and the conflict was between ANC and IFP supporters. I bet you helped us solve that one too? Nigeria; SA's saviour - NOT! In your pea brain you think if apartheid regime were still in power I would in prison solely because 'am black? Smh! That right there is one of the many reasons I've advised you to stop talking about things you know nothing of!

I've wasted enough mb on you as it is. Again dude, you're NOT my people!

Investing in african countries indeed!!

who benefits from europeans and american investment in africa - the african people or the puppet elite govts?

Majority of african dictators are in power because they are put there by europe and america - who do you think finances all the military coups and civil wars, where do these dictators get their arms from, where do they stash away their stolen loot?

You know nothing about this so called international aid that you claim the west gives to african countries but let me enlighten you - it is a racket - for every dollar or pound that they spend in africa these aid agencies get tenfold back because many of them are operating as intelligence agencies feeding information back to their respective countries which enables these countries to find more ways of infiltrating and controlling these countries, furthermore those aid agencies provide jobs for middle class white people (never blacks) who are paid very good salaries, accommoddated in choice areas of their host nation and enjoy life styles they could only dream about back home in their countries of origin. You should read articles written by an american freelance journalist by the name of Keith Harmon Snow who completely exposes these so called agencies as imperialist agents. You are falling for the same lies that our african ancestors fell for - remember how the european imperialists used missionaries to confuse many africans - what was the end result ? We lost our land, labour force and resources and gained their religions - where has it got us?


You keep talking about how africa failed to do this and that - but you never condemn europe and america who spent billions of dollars in military aid to keep the aparthied system going, the US supplied the aparthied regime with surveillance equipment which enabled them track and murder thousands of black south africans, israel worked with the aparthied regime to develop nuclear and biological warfare,britain and the US refused to stop doing business with the aparthied regime until the country was on the brink of a civil war.

Did you know that the US and britain labelled Mandela a terrorist and the US only took him off their terrorist list in 2009 ?

jackbauersballs: Cap28, your maturity and wisdom shine through...

God bless you

Thanks bros.

Tumisang: Collective mentality = Backwardness

Mandela didn't make any unilateral decisions, he wasn't the only person involved...heck, the man wasn't even the chief negotiator. The ANC wasn't the only policital party involved either - all liberation movements (excl. IFP) had representatives who also negotiated and signed the agreements. So please explain how exactly did he betray/sell any of us out? Majority of land in this country is owned by govt. White Saffers own majority of farmlands. Show me one African country that mine its resources! Our freedom fighters didn't make sacrifices to gain fans. They did so for the benefit of black Saffers.

The prime minister who refused to honour the terms of that agreement was Tony Blair not Thatcher! Don't confuse colonial rule with apartheid. Apartheid was only in SA.

There's nothing more annoying than people who have failed to fix their own mess but for reasons only known to themselves - think they have answers to everything and can solve everyone's problems. Charity begins at home!

If collective mentality = backwardness - how come Japan through its own collective mentality was able to become an imperial power within less than 3 decades? Collective mentality is the reason that NATO and the EU were formed - in order to protect the collective economic and military interests of europe and america.

How come europeans see the imporatance of collective mentality but africans like you think it equates to backwardness?

Could it be because you are brainwashed and have no confidence in yourself and anyone who looks like you?

Whether Mandela was the chief negotiator is irrelevant - the point is he was identified by the aparthied govt as someone who could easily be manipulated - in fact try reading some of the things his own ex wife says about him and you will understand how he betrayed the blacks of south africa.

African countries do not mine their own resources because as i said earlier their countries were invaded and conquered by the europeans who still run everything -african leaders like the late Qadaffi, Lumumba, Thomas Sankara and Murtala Muhammed paid a very high price in order to try and retain control over their countries respective resources. The other day Ivory coast was invaded and bombed and their leader Gbagbo tortured and abducted by french sponsored militias simply because he refused to allow France to keep rapin.g his countries resources- this is what happens to african leaders who refuse to bow to the satanic control of europe and america.

It is obvious even to those who know very little about africa that europe and america do not have africa's interest at heart this is why i find it baffling that you continue to make excuses for them - you have the mindset of a slave.

Tumisang: @cap28

1. Because I don't see any of you as "my brothers" therefore I must be a self-hating black? Yeah, sure...

2. If you wanna know what 'am challenging go back to the initial post I was responding to.

3. But your brother said all Africans have access to the economy of their respective countries and that Mandela was the only cowardice leader to have failed to give his people what was rightfully theirs? Hence I asked why go to a country that is being led by cowards.

4. Must everything be discussed along racial lines? Don't you know that whites and blacks in Zim are Zimbabweans?

Both Zim and foreign (Saffers) farmers were doing an excellent job that didn't not only benefit Zimbos but the world at large. Hence Zim was greatly known as the bread basket of Africa. Which Zimbos were living as peasants? Clearly you know nothing about the greatness of that nation before the land-grabs. In your mind black Zimbos were slaves to their white masters and that all farmers in both Zim and SA are white.

5. Mugabe has admitted that they way he went about fighting a system (Lancaster House Agreement) he helped create was wrong.

6. People like you are gonna blame the west for every wrong thing in this continent till kingdom come...while conveniently forgeting that foreign companies pay levies/taxes to govts. Whose fault is it that you're not benefiting from the monies - theirs or that of your leaders?

People like you like to allign yourself with anyone except your own people, but one thing you must bear in mind is that the greatness of a people is measured in collective terms not on an individual basis, africans like you who think your individual accomplishments are enough to earn the respect of other races are deluding themselves.

I am not a great fan of Mandela - i admire the fact that he sacrificed 27 years of his life for his people, but he betrayed his people by cutting a deal with the white power structure - his betrayal of the black south africans enalbed the whites to retain control over all of south africa's land and other valuable natural resources, this is the reason why the whites love him, so it is understandable if many africans have lost respect for him.

If white and black zimbabweans are both zimbabweans why is europe and america hell bent on destroying any attempt by Mugabe to empower the black zimbabweans , why did america and europe impose economic sanctions on the country which caused hyper inflation and a near collapse of the economy? Have you heard of ZIDERA? google it and find out how the EU and america planned to sink Zimbabwe's economy using some of the most draconian economic sanctions ever imposed on a sovereign nation.

The lancaster agreement was a pile of crap - How can you enter into an agreement to reimburse a thief after he has stolen your land? Besides the then british prime minister (Thatcher) had no intention of honouring anything agreed under it and later reneged on all of the promise made under that agreement.

How did Mugabe help to create the aparthied system in the then Rhodesia under Ian Smith - i know many zimbabweans who have confirmed to me that they lived as second class citizens in their own country during white minority rule

I dont know if you know this but the reason multinational corporations like to do business in africa is because they pay little or no corporation tax - did you know that last year some of the richest corporations in the world got away with paying practically no tax - eg amazon, apple, microsoft, also a british billionaire by the name of phillip green (owner of british home stores and top shop) avoided paying over £1billion in tax last year alone. If these companies can do this in the western world imagine what they must be getting away with in countries like nigeria where there are no effective regulations.

pleep, sounds like you've plunged back into the self hatred zone.