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Baldg:
Succinctly put.

There should be a variety of measures employed to ensure they get the job done..

That what killed Tottenham Yesterday. All they needed was to protect their lead and lock shop by introducing Wanyama.

However, dynamism is the crux of the matter.

thank you sir. you are spot on.

elampiro:
Mourinho won UCL with Porto

"14 years ago"

raumdeuter:
Vs PSG Mourinho had 1 goal lead with 1 away goal yet lost

Vs athletico had no away goal took the lead and conceded 3

Both at home

Why are you being dishonest. I don't like this your attitude it's irritating.

when Chelsea were ahead, by 1-0, PSG did not require 2 goals to stay in the tie, yesterday, anything other than 2 goals, juvey are out.
vs Athletico Chelsea took the lead, but a single goal hfrom Athletico will infact eliminate Chelsea. not same scenerio.

had their been a point when Mourinhos opponent require to score twice to remain in the competition and have succeeded?

morever we are all in unison that Mourinho is a useless manager without identity and have past it.

how I wish arsenal will win Milan and win the Europa.

codedguy1:
What's the meaning of what you said there? That if Mourinho is given a supposedly lesser team like burnley that juv is out implying that he won't lose the match. We all know in what context the arguement was. Except you want to bring in specific scenerio like what you and raumdeuter were deliberating on.

1-0 lead with 2 away goals. is a two goal advantage. even if juve scored 1 goal they will be eliminated. I said 1-0 lead with 2 away goals in the bag, read again brother.

Baldg:
Very true. What I expect from Mou most times is to have a set template of control and dictated tempo of defense(by choice) or attack (by circumstance).

The dilemma I find is, why stifle your attacking tools.

That's where the Problem lies, in occasions, he overdo it to the detriment of the team (I mentioned this earlier).
managers need to be flexible, that is where SAF comes into player, sometimes he is very gong ho, some other time he is conservative, in some special cases he outrightly parks the bus. there should be a balance.

my issue with some people is that Poch and Klopp does no wrong and so their style is the best.

eph12:
I don't have a problem with Mourinho, I am actually afraid for my team. If Mourinho decides to move on by end of next season we will be back to square one, if not worse than that. No identity, crappy football, just a bunch of overfed babies looking for a lucky break.

Poch is crappy, he is useless, what happened to him can never happen to Mou, please! Did we not face this Poch team a couple of days ago?

Ogbeni ok. I agree, Mou is a useless manager without identity, while others like Poch are Guardiola and SAF rolled into one. can be proceed to more reasonable debate if there is any?

eph12:
You were the one listing the things that could never happen to Jose, nobody said anything about Pep. You had some of us wondering if all these can never happen to Jose, what then is the problem or what are the likely things that could happen to Jose if those ones can't?

it have never happened to him yes and that's a fact. what is your problem even with Mou?
this is just like me not getting any course below C during my undergraduate, and someone mentioned it, what is wrong that?

patrickmuf:
True, he needs to remain at Spurs.
His situation is similar to Simeone who is doing so well making good players play their hearts out but in a bigger club, he might have players question his methods...It's all probability for now.

his situation my be like simeoni. but simeoni at least reached 2 champions league final, won the Europa, copa dey rey, UEFA super cup, and Laliga. it's not the same. simeoni have a higher ceiling and will obviously do better at a bigger club

codedguy1:
The way we argue or put our positions sometimes on this board is rather ridiculous.

A coach cannot lose a game again. Must every coach win every match?

Capitacee, the way you dey yarn say mou cannot lose a game that he has gone a goal up is funny as if this same mou has not lost to teams that he was expected to win or must other teams allow him go a goal up first and then try to beat him in the 2nd half?

The games Mou has lost this s3ason did he not start from 0 - 0?

Tomorrow now if pochetinno beats city with a great performance from his team we will not hear how naive and inexperienced he is.

Boasting on the ability of someone else get as be my brother.

when did I say this? please get your facts right. we are discussing here about matches, what is wrong is giving my opinion? what is this crase about trying so hard to discredit somebody?

eph12:
Mourinho won the champions league in 2004 and 2010. In between those years and from 2010 till date why has Mourinho not won more since he will never lose to this or lose from that? He took a break from the competition or what?

Yes . mou is now a useless manager. who is now out of his depth. just like Pep went to a break after 2011.

dubylhover:
d funny thing is that everyone is saying poch should replace emery at psg,but would it really make a difference?

Don't mind them, they are even suggesting him for united, so that he will come here and 5 years without trophy. at least Emery won Europa, what has poch won ?

raumdeuter:
Capitalcee

Someone said in the last 2 CL Mourinho played his team actually went ahead at home and still ended up crashing out one to a 10 man PSG

But I know stuffs like that na only Poch he dey happen to not Mourinho

Did the opponent require 2 goals to eliminate him? why can't you take your L and go in peace? until you show me when mourinho surrendered a two advantage, everything you are saying is balderdash.

raumdeuter:
This is hilarious why give such a specific example. Ok let me ask you to give an example of a game where Pep or Klopp in the CL had 2 away goals and was leading 1-0 in the 60min and lost by 2-1 when the game was played on a Tuesday in March

I no get you strenght. I said that mourinho will never lose when in this position that spurs is in. where his team will require to concede 2 goals without scoring to be eliminated. why are you running around in circles. if you can't give me an example of when mourinho surrendered a two 2 goal advantage at any point good night. it's obvious you re either confused or just pulling one of your tricks.

raumdeuter:
You were the one who said this

I swear if you give mourinho Burnley and he is leading juve 1-0 at half time, with 2 away goals already in the bag, Juve is out.

Love mou or hate him. he will never throw away that lead. give mourinho this sane spurs team, immediately he goes 1-0 up. he will strifle Juve and close out the game

I have now given you two scenarios where Mourinho team had the lead on aggregate and they lost the tie

Dayo you did not give me 2 scenarios where Mou was leading 1-0 at half time with 2 away goals and he lost.

the bayern example, His team were behind from the first leg, they score 2 in 14 minutes. Bayern require just one goal to tie it. and they have 76 minutes to do that not 30 minutes.

the Athletico example. the first leg was goalless in Spain. Chelsea led 1-0 through Torres. and it was very early. any goal by Athletico will eliminate Chelsea. how is it the same?

chidexxy007:
Tottenham just acted spurs-like.. Why struggle to draw in Turin when You will still Lose at home.
Meanwhile Poch needs to both learn and grow very fast. 1 nil up @half time, what is Wanyama still seating on that bench for?
What happens to seeing match off? They sat deep with Winks in midfield against RM at Bernabeu and got a good result, why not employ same tactics with Wanyama and Dembele against Juve, u're a goal up ffs.


#rubbish

I echoed this your sentiment, they labbeled me a moi fan. same moi I lambasted here last week.
Simply remove one of your attacking players, add wayama to block space for Dybala and pjanic, while helping Trippier and Davies track the new subs Leichsteiner and Asamoah. the 2 CB have no business leaving that Goal area. now Erickson, Kane and Alli/son will now run at their old and tired backline. there is no way juve would score 2.

raumdeuter:
Mourinho led Atletico 1-0 at home and still lost the game

2012 Mourinho with Madrid led Bayern 2-0 Bayern came back on aggregtes and the game went to penalties which Mourinho lost

juve needed 2 goals to avoid elimination in the last 30 minutes. Bayern was leading 2-1, from the first leg. real raced into a 2 goal lead to in 14 minutes. at that point bayern just needed a goal in 76 minutes to tie it. which they just did. here spurs were leading, and juve need to score 2 in just 30mins. your example is way off.

raumdeuter:
Chelsea 2014 season led Atletico 1-0 at home and ended up losing

There goes your fable

with no away goal dayo

Adisaowalla:
14 years ago!!!

lol. that was in response to his defence that poch is inexperience. Mou was also massively inexperienced then. but he out fought Fergie.

raumdeuter:
Old Lady. Actually they were the first European team I supported since the person who taught me about European football was a Juventus fan. So it was always Baggio Baggio

hmmn funny how we have the same preference. I like the old Ladies though. with all the champions league final heart breaks. I like them and dispised Milan.

Leyqute:
Let's not. Mou will come out bad if we do that, what with the amount of money he's spent since he arrived Carrington.

ok sir. but hope no hard feelings. we just debated

Leyqute:
See, CapitalMan. To whom much is given, much is expected.

*Clears throat

That's all.

FC Porto? Inter ?... clears throat. should we calculate?

Leyqute:
I don hear you o. Na you be boss.

na you be boss. brother, no be me. we learn everyday

Leyqute:
Spoken like a true Mourinho fan. Give the ball to the opponent and park the bus. As if it works 100% of the time.

Clap for yourself.

I didn't say park the bus. strifle the opposition. don't give them space, Mark them one on one, run at there open and jittery defence, and stay compact at the back.. in this case it would have safely been 100% effective. tell yourself the truth Mou, even with FC Porto would have eliminated Juve given this comdition

GloryIsaac:
Should we go back to the "it's either gung ho or park the bus" period?... Just dey o

I don't know what you are talking about. I dint say poch should pack the bus o, just strifle the opposition finish, he went for the jugular and paid dearly.

Leyqute:
There's no need for all these opata yarns, CapitalC. Everyone knows you're a true fan and you've been itching to get one over the fake fans.

You need to chill o

you are not correct. when LVG and moyes held sway, i roundly criticised them, mou is not the best, but his approach while not too good and sometimes he overdoes it to the detriment of the team, its not Armageddon as most folks here sadly paints it. it's clear that what you guys are asking Mou to do cost spurs this game. as yourself why Mou is very successful.

Leyqute:
You def saw that I placed the blame on players and coaches eh? Or didn't you?

So you don't think it's possible they concede after totally surrendering the ball to Juve to defend?

Juve needs 2 to avoid elimination. you forgot spurs have 2 away goals? the best thing to do is to add another pivot to Dier,, and pull out an attacking player, strifle them and hit them on counter. did you remember how mourinho shut out Barca for nearly 70mins with 10 in camp nou in 2010? this juve team is not that fantastic attack wise. if you shut them out, they won't score 2 goals in just 30mins and you can hit them on counter.

weedtaker:
Lol Bros calm down.

bros I am calm, but have u noticed that when united lose its mourinho not the players. but when spurs lose its Zombie-like players and they did not wake up from slumber. and that poch is inexperienced. lol

weedtaker:
you don't think being a little bit pragmatic would've helped them after going 1nill up?

no need for pragmatism. the players according to him are Zombie-like, but if na mourinho. the our defenders are Ferdinand and Vidic rolled into one, but moi used his negative tactics to lose the game. I can now see say no be only dayo de turn amala.

Leyqute:
Na coach and players o. Immediately Juve scored the first goal, an experienced coach would be on his toes screaming out his lungs at his zombie-like players not to bottle the game.

Poch didn't do that. The players didn't wake up from their slumber in time. They got knocked aut

Now it's "Zombie-like players" and the players didn't wake him from slumber. Ogbeni Forget the players Poch threw away the game. didnt you notice that immediately spurs started pressing for the second goal, Allegri pulled out Benatia, and brought in Leichsteiner and Asamoah to stretch the game, immediately they came in, I sensed danger. It's not about experience, Poch is inept, anyhow you want to put. Mou in his first full champions league out thought Fergie, when he brought it Costinha to nail us in 2004, I nearly cried that day. then Mou was just 41. he dealt with Barca in his first season at Chelsea with astute substitutions.
even me that's not a manager saw the danger in Allegris subs, but Poch sent his troops to attack senselessly against the old ladies who require a 2 goals not to be eliminated.
Una don see una people na. igbo people talk say. agbacha oso a guo mile. meaning: after the race we will count mile. na here all of us. dey till season end when den go begin count trophy, we go no weda them go award trophies for shot on target and number of passes.

GloryIsaac:
A reminder: Every united fan wants to see the club succeed.

Yes but you guys narrative is too vindictive to the person of mou. now una man Poch don throw away 2 away goal and a 1-0 half time lead. Poch need to be sacked. simple

larride:
Don't change your narrative like Oga Dayo, do we usually park the bus or not when we play lesser teams and bring stats out to back up your claims.

you don catch them for blockos. dem wan come follow dayo turn amala. lol