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raumdeuter:
And what wad the performance in big game of Gattuso vs Ballack or of Ozil vs Baggio

Players like Terry who are average but tagged along more industrious teammates and their relevance in polling booth awards have no big game performance to point to in their entire career

AC Milan vs Manchester United UCL semi-final 2nd leg 2007. Gatuso produced the best performance by a defensive midfielder in the history of Champions league. By your logic even The only champions league final Ballack played, he was anonymous. so we can safely say Ballack is a fraud.

patrickmuf:
Funny you could only come up with one or two examples, the Dutch league is an exception to those you listed...I don't even want to go further with listing players from the Portuguese league and you sighting Lindelof as an example of how average the league is, is at best laughable because I've seen you propping up excuses for him here so why are you bringing him up now?

Lindelof is obviously not a bad player, I am not making any excuse for him, it's reality. if a youngster like him can boss the league, that's to tell you the level. you also only pointed few examples to me. every league can produce good players. after all Iwuanyanwu national of Nigerian league produce Kanu Nwankwo who won the UCL, FA cup, EPL and Copa Italia and also won the African footballer of the year, that doesn't make the Nigerian league good. so if Obaje of Ifeanyi Uba FC is scoring for fun in the league, I said after all its Nigerian league, then you will reply me that it's the same league that produced Kanu. the truth is Marcus Rojo did well in Sporting yes. but the league is shit, irrespective of who it produced. may be we can go and be buying players from Red bull Salzburg because they produced Mane.

patrickmuf:
The same rubbish league that produced Carvalho, Pepe, David Luiz, Alex Sandro etc very running league indeed... And yes those guys you listed are more intelligent than Sterling...Mata plays as an AM, an area Spain is strongest.

polish league produce lewandowski, Austrian league produced Mane. Scottish league produce VVD, Ibrahimovic was produced from malmo, Suarez came from Ajax, there are few exceptions, but that doesn't make the league good. you can't compare la liga with Portuguese league. Lindelof was bosing the league before he came to united.
Aspas a Liverpool flop? Nolito? Callejon? seriously? infact Sterling was the reason Aspas and Nolito could not make first team at Liverpool and City respectively.

elrony:
That guy na Ode !!!

you have to give it to the dry gin crew, every year they produce people of limited knowledge.

airmark:
Fans that followed Belgium last year, won't be surprised.

Debruyne needs to up his game for Belgium.

pooling booth award. no be me talk am o

Swissh:
what is wrong with this One. Pogba is even €105 million.

mumu, you for kukuma change am to Yen or Naira to suit your narrative. babayoko is 20billion.

Lana1:
Terry made his first Fifpro XI appearance at 24. Similar age to the aforementioned. Maybe Terry wasn't quite the finished product at that time too

you are even going too far. Messi won his first ball on dor at 22. may be clubs should be afraid of signing him because he is 22 and not a finished product

airmark:
That one is for his own pocket. We've had great defenders that played better in their 30s than in their 20s. I don't need to list them, google will help.

Demands from cbs are not the same as for midfielders.

No time for unnecessary back and forth, it's January.

But dayo said, any player that is above 30 is finished, and that was the reason pep didnt do wel last season

dubylhover:
what are my seeing here?we should get Lucas moura? I thought we wanted to compete with the elite clubs in Europe,at least if we want a psg bench warmer,it should b draxler..Lucas isn't better than lingard in my honest opinion,he has no football brain..yes he's skillful and fast but no sense..if we are not getting mahrrz for that rw this January,I think its better we wait till summer,cos if we buy moura now,how are we sure d board would sanction a move for another rw during d summer..abeg anything worth doing is worth doing well...

which kind Lucas moura..

The thing surprised me ooo. if we want to win PSG its not wise to buy their benchwarmer

funlord:
In those clips did you see anything he did that any other united winger at the club for the past 3 seasons has done on a consistent basis? Be it the jinking runs, magical feints and dribbles or the constant threatening of defenders? This is a guy that was a star as a teenager, who consistently posts more than 40 plus games a season (fitness), who has champions league experience, title winning experience, national team experience, cup final experience all before the age of 25..all this while always being a quiet pro that never seems to speak about anyone or anything ever and just focuses on entering the pitch and doing his thing! That's quite a character for such a young rich nigga...maybe it is those qualities jose has seen and likes.


Even if you believe lucas to be average does he not deserve the chance to come and prove he is actually average and then fail! The market will not permit any tier one signings for now blaad!

I am not saying he is not a good player, my worry is we already have a lot of average players.

patrickmuf:
Sterling won't play for that Spanish team so that's no pointer.
And if you're going to use Otamendi's performance in Spain and in the World cup, it'd interest you to not that Rojo was a beast at the Mundial and also one of the best defenders in Portugal before we got him.

Rojo played at left back remember and Portugal is a rubbish league that even Russian league have snatched a CL spot from them.
Sterling might get an invite, if Aspas, vitolo, Nolito and Callejon are being called up, Sterling should get an invite.

Swissh:
What is your understanding of potential. Room of improvement, to add more to his game. Don't you think Pogba still has more to add to his game. That's my idea of potential maybe yours is different.

If that's what you mean, then virtually every player that is not up to 29 are potentials since they can improve.

patrickmuf:
Otamendi and Sterling top quality but Valencia, Mata, Jones etc are of lower quality...Okay oh!

Otamendi was the best defender in laliga before he came to city and lead the Argentine defence to world cup final. Jones is not in the same cadre with him. if players like Fab and coke can be playing for Spain, and Mata couldn't what does that tell you? I did not say Valencia is not top quality, but he is already aged, after all dayo said that the reason pep failed last year was because his full backs are 30+

Swissh:
Pogba was not even the best midfielder in his own team ffs. Iniesta did nothing all year but still ended up in Fifpro eleven which is just a popularity contest. So you are saying at 22 when he made fifpro eleven he was a finished product shey.

FIFA said he is the best.
Ronaldo delima won the world best player and at 19 and 20. Messi won it at 22. Ronaldo at 23. they are not finished product at that time but they are no longer potentials.

Swissh:
Is mbappe not a fifpro nominee. His he not a potential player.

is he in FiFpro XI like Pogba? pogba was nominated in FiFpro XI what it means is that he is the best in his position in the world for that year.

Oasis007:
Though YouTube Clips are misleading sometimes, but I think the below worth sharing!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FabFl21fCho

2016/17 Season.

LMAO, the same clip conte and abromovich finished watching of Babayoko, they sold Matic and bought him.

Swissh:
HELL NO! He is 24 with a lot of potential not the finished article yet. But that amount at that time was just too much. I rather spend 80million on an established player like bale and Ronaldo like Madrid did than on potential that might not be fulfilled.

A FiFpro nominee a potential? have a nice day

Swissh:
can you say Pogba has lived up to his price tag.


FAT NO.

so Van dyke = 75m and Pogba = 89m. he has not lived up to his price tag? If you are man Utd CEO and a team comes with a bid of 89m for Pogba, will you sell?

Oasis007:
Mkhtaryan was the best Bundesliga player before we signed him same as Shinji, but they both couldn't replicate their respective Forms in the EPL.

The same DeBruyne, Salah that JM couldn't give fair Chances at Chelsea are lighting up the EPL this Season. Hence you can't conclude Moura is average simply because he's being benched at PSG.

What can you say of Di Maria?! Average Player too?! Who will you prefer between Mahrez and Di Maria?! Di Maria is also glued to the Bench at PSG, same as Draxler.

I believe Moura is gonna be a good Addition to the Team in January, and I wouldn't mind another great Addition in the Summer.

I haven't seen Moura do anything of note. well if he can buy him, let wait and see the outcome.

raumdeuter:
Mourinho has bought 7 players, if 6 of them are a hit in addition to top talents like martial Rashford ddg Valencia Jones Mata that's like 11 players. So why are we still hearing whines that man utd has a bad squad compared to city

of that 6, zlatan is already aged, sowill only be used sparingly and he came for free, Baily is injured mostly, while Lindelof is only a youngster who is just bedding in into the league. leaving us with just Matic, Pogba and Lukaku.
of the talent you mentioned that he met. only DDG and Martial are Top quality in the mould of Aguero, Silva, KDB, otamendi, Sterling and Fernandinho. not forgetting a title-winning Captain and leader Kompany.
Rashford is an academy youngster who just made his debut few months ago, Jones is never considered a world beater, and age is already taking its toll on Valencia and Young. while Mata as skilful as he might be, cannot make the spanish squad, he is a second rate player.
so effectively JOSE met Only DDG and Martial as the only high quality players while pep met about 7. he replaced his ageing full backs which you attributed ad the reason for his below par showing last season, Jose couldn't he has to make do with 30+ full backs. hope u understand now

elrony:
Rather sign Mahrez for 50mil

That's my point why not add small change and pick up Mahrez

PietroRico:
ideally <20m, worst case scenario between 20 - 30.
We are the ones more or less doing both player and club favours

less than 20m is a good bargain, if he fails we flush him out.

elrony:
25 mil

It's a good price, but more 15m or so will get us Mahrez

SIRcumalot:
na mahrez u want ?

Yes I need Mahrez, he troubles defenders with purpose and doesn't run aimlessly at them.

patrickmuf:
This logic is questionable just by taking a look down memory lane, that a player is on the bench doesn't mean he isn't good enough, favoritism by coaches, wrong environment etc are just some factors that come into play...Diego Forlan (Manchester United) , Wesley Schneider (Real Madrid) etc were once considered not good enough at their respective clubs.

alright what I am afraid of is populating our team with average players

MoR2:
no not last season, he contributed to about 30goals.

alright. but scoring 30 goals in a shit league like ligue 1 is not a special thing. batshuayi scored nearly the same number.

PietroRico:
big clubs buy bench warmers from other big clubs all the time. It's nothing new.
Bayern signed James. Madrid once signed Chicharito.
Juve do it all the time. Lol.

He won't be coming there to be a commander in chief.
He is a good squad addition, for the right price

what price?

odizeey:
so na moura be otu before them sign am abi.

He is not an otu. but he won't gaureentee us quality output week in week out, can he take the game by the scruff of the neck? we need world class players

raumdeuter:
Who is this WE you are alluding to? Is Mourinho not part of the player recruiting process? Or does Woodward just go to buy anyone without the input of Mourinho.

Pogba Mikitaryan Zlatan linjollof Bailly Matic were the players Mourinho wanted and got. It wasn't like Moyes was the one buying players for him

It's an attempt to deflect the blame if you or Mourinho is trying to blame anyone for the success.

Assuming Lucas Moura comes and becomes a star you'll give Mourinho the credit for it but when it fails we blame unknown spirits and forces

and all bar Mkhi has been hit. the useless players in our team were not recruited by mourinho, is better they get flushed out and replaced with quality players and not average players/ benchwarmers like Moira.

raumdeuter:
Robben the best Bayern player of the past decade was a Madrid castaway
Alexis too couldn't get into Barcelona lineup and he's currently one of the best players in the league

Robben and Alexis have undoubted talent and succeeded before at Chelsea and Udinese. the last season before Sanchez went to arsenal, he was a regular at Barca.

Swissh:
I bet you would have said the same thing last season when Liverpool bought salah that he is not good enough but look how it turned out. The guy is just 25, thou I don't want him but for 35million in this market it's a bargain.

sallah already succeeded in Basel, and he was a regular and one of the best players last season in the Italian LEAGUE. Moura has been in bench at PSG since he went there.

Swissh:
because being benched for Neymar
and Mbappe is an absolute sign that he's not
good enough shey. He has been a PSG regular for the past 3
years before this. Getting benched by Neymar
and Mbappe is natural.

He has never been a PSG regular even before Mbappe and Neymar. Dimaria and even Ezequel Levezzi have been benching him.
howcan we challenge PSG when we sign their benchwarmer? Let me ask you this, will any of bayern, Madrid, Barca or City buy Lucas Moura? I am not saying he is not good, but a team with our ambition should aim higher.