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raumdeuter:
How can Zidane be better than him when Zidane barely played at the world cup? And France crashed out of the group stages

world cup is not the only thing that happened in 2002. Zidane won something prestigious with his iconic goal. what did Ballack won in 2002. it's not Zidane fault he was injured.

raumdeuter:
These were the games that won Kaka the Balon dor and undisputed best player in Europe and you use clear eye to say gattuso was better than Kaka vs Man utd

oga Kaka was phenomenal in the first leg at old Trafford when he turn Evra and Heinze inside out to score two important goals. the second leg was Gattusos match. why do you like arguing for nothing. he bossed the match completely.

raumdeuter:
You mean he did better than Seedorf and Kaka in that game?

Yes Dayo.

chic2pimp:
I thought we were having a proper debate?...Why allow it to descend into a comedy skit?

i thought he has changed this new year.

raumdeuter:
Korea eliminated many top teams in the world cup and it took Ballack to stop them. That is the fact

That doesn't make him the best midfielder that year. Zidane was better than him.

raumdeuter:
Football authority seeing Slovenia vs Germany

I told you its was an oversight this man, Paraguay was in the same group with Slovenia and south Africa I mistaken then for Slovenia. didnt you mention that Germany won five world cups. you don't have any good defence for my facts. you are just holding on to straws.

raumdeuter:
Metzelder was better than Terry Friedrich and Howedes would be in the same ballpark. Even jesters like Mertersacker and Mustafi

you must be joking right?

raumdeuter:
In that game Seedorf Kaka Nesta performed better than Gattuso in that game

It's a lie dayo. Gattuso's performance in that second leg was the best by all an sundry for years. he bossed the midfield that day completely.

raumdeuter:
You obviously werent old enough to watch in 2002 or remember thats why you will say Germany beat Slovenia at the world cup

lol see this one I watched USA 1994. By 2002 I was already a football authority.

raumdeuter:
Germany played Slovenia in which competition? That is why you should do your research atimes when engaging me on football matters

The South Korea was the team that eliminated Spain Portugal and Italy. it took the genius of Ballack to eliminate them.

What did Zidane do at the world cup?

sorry Paraguay, they are all useless team, whether Slovenia or Paraguay infact I watched the game olive r Neuville scored a late goal I don't need any research its an oversight. you mentioned that Germany win 5 world cup, I ignored it as it was clearly a minor error.
South Korea Cheated massively to reach semi-final, their match versus Germany they were in party mood and did not bother to show up, I watched that match. Brazil was the first proper opposition they met and were well beaten.
Zidane won the champions league in 2002 with the goal which still stands today as the best goal in champions league final. he was injured before the world cup and only played half fit versus Denmark when they are already eliminated. Sneidjer won the treble with inter and reached the world cup final as the best player for Netherlands, why don't you say he is the best in 2010 above Messi and Ronaldo? you logic is amazing.

The only notable thing Ballack did then was to play in the "Neverkusen" side.

raumdeuter:
Big games like what? Games without names?

I mentioned a champions league semi-final vs Manchester United. or is that not a big game?

popizaino:
Gattuso will also point to big games he won with big performances which ballack won't be able.so Gattuso is better than ballack.

degea better than Manuel neur
victor valdes better than Manuel neur too

no but honestly I am not joking oo . Ballack is not a better player than Gattuso. Rino was a tank during his days, one of the best in his position for decades.

raumdeuter:
His performance on the field. made him the best midfielder in Europe. Solid performance in the CL and in the world cup made him the best midfielder not ammasing votes in polling booths

He is not the best midfielder in the world then. Germany played Slovenia, USA and South Korea enroute to the finals. their first proper opposition Brazil, they were roundly beaten. even Nigeria can beat those teams. Ballack was not better than Zidane for example in 2002. Ballack is not a better footballer than Gattuso.

raumdeuter:
He played and did what? How and watch Leverkusen of 2002 or Germany of 2002 world cup and come back to compare him to Gattuso

Ballack was motm in the games played. Quarter, semi before he sacrificed himself for his team to play the final.

Gattuso was a mainstay not the best player not even a top 3 player in that Milan side.

HOW am I degrading Gattuso by saying he isn't on the level of Ballack? If I say Suarez isn't on the level of Messi or lewandoski isn't on the level of Ronaldo am I degrading them?

In 2002, Ballack was the best midfielder in the whole of Europe, which year can we say Gattuso was something like that.

who made him the best midfielder in the whole of Europe in 2002? oh this is no longer a pooling booth award abi

raumdeuter:
Leverkusen vs Liverpool 2002 CL quarters second leg

Leverkusen vs Man Utd at Old trafford

Leverkusen played one of the greatest football teams in the final, Madrid Galacticos

World cup Second round, quarter final semi final

Show me something Gattuso has done on this level

didn't Gattuso also play in the World cup 2nd round, quarter final and semi-final? and even final and won. he was a mainstay of the Milan team that won 2 out of the 3 champions league final from 2003-2007.
I am even surprised you are degrading Rino Gattuso. the guy was one of the best defensive midfielders in the past 3 decades. what are you even saying? what has Ballack done really that Rino had not done?

raumdeuter:
And what wad the performance in big game of Gattuso vs Ballack or of Ozil vs Baggio

Players like Terry who are average but tagged along more industrious teammates and their relevance in polling booth awards have no big game performance to point to in their entire career

AC Milan vs Manchester United UCL semi-final 2nd leg 2007. Gatuso produced the best performance by a defensive midfielder in the history of Champions league. By your logic even The only champions league final Ballack played, he was anonymous. so we can safely say Ballack is a fraud.

patrickmuf:
Funny you could only come up with one or two examples, the Dutch league is an exception to those you listed...I don't even want to go further with listing players from the Portuguese league and you sighting Lindelof as an example of how average the league is, is at best laughable because I've seen you propping up excuses for him here so why are you bringing him up now?

Lindelof is obviously not a bad player, I am not making any excuse for him, it's reality. if a youngster like him can boss the league, that's to tell you the level. you also only pointed few examples to me. every league can produce good players. after all Iwuanyanwu national of Nigerian league produce Kanu Nwankwo who won the UCL, FA cup, EPL and Copa Italia and also won the African footballer of the year, that doesn't make the Nigerian league good. so if Obaje of Ifeanyi Uba FC is scoring for fun in the league, I said after all its Nigerian league, then you will reply me that it's the same league that produced Kanu. the truth is Marcus Rojo did well in Sporting yes. but the league is shit, irrespective of who it produced. may be we can go and be buying players from Red bull Salzburg because they produced Mane.

patrickmuf:
The same rubbish league that produced Carvalho, Pepe, David Luiz, Alex Sandro etc very running league indeed... And yes those guys you listed are more intelligent than Sterling...Mata plays as an AM, an area Spain is strongest.

polish league produce lewandowski, Austrian league produced Mane. Scottish league produce VVD, Ibrahimovic was produced from malmo, Suarez came from Ajax, there are few exceptions, but that doesn't make the league good. you can't compare la liga with Portuguese league. Lindelof was bosing the league before he came to united.
Aspas a Liverpool flop? Nolito? Callejon? seriously? infact Sterling was the reason Aspas and Nolito could not make first team at Liverpool and City respectively.

elrony:
That guy na Ode !!!

you have to give it to the dry gin crew, every year they produce people of limited knowledge.

airmark:
Fans that followed Belgium last year, won't be surprised.

Debruyne needs to up his game for Belgium.

pooling booth award. no be me talk am o

Swissh:
what is wrong with this One. Pogba is even €105 million.

mumu, you for kukuma change am to Yen or Naira to suit your narrative. babayoko is 20billion.

Lana1:
Terry made his first Fifpro XI appearance at 24. Similar age to the aforementioned. Maybe Terry wasn't quite the finished product at that time too

you are even going too far. Messi won his first ball on dor at 22. may be clubs should be afraid of signing him because he is 22 and not a finished product

airmark:
That one is for his own pocket. We've had great defenders that played better in their 30s than in their 20s. I don't need to list them, google will help.

Demands from cbs are not the same as for midfielders.

No time for unnecessary back and forth, it's January.

But dayo said, any player that is above 30 is finished, and that was the reason pep didnt do wel last season

dubylhover:
what are my seeing here?we should get Lucas moura? I thought we wanted to compete with the elite clubs in Europe,at least if we want a psg bench warmer,it should b draxler..Lucas isn't better than lingard in my honest opinion,he has no football brain..yes he's skillful and fast but no sense..if we are not getting mahrrz for that rw this January,I think its better we wait till summer,cos if we buy moura now,how are we sure d board would sanction a move for another rw during d summer..abeg anything worth doing is worth doing well...

which kind Lucas moura..

The thing surprised me ooo. if we want to win PSG its not wise to buy their benchwarmer

funlord:
In those clips did you see anything he did that any other united winger at the club for the past 3 seasons has done on a consistent basis? Be it the jinking runs, magical feints and dribbles or the constant threatening of defenders? This is a guy that was a star as a teenager, who consistently posts more than 40 plus games a season (fitness), who has champions league experience, title winning experience, national team experience, cup final experience all before the age of 25..all this while always being a quiet pro that never seems to speak about anyone or anything ever and just focuses on entering the pitch and doing his thing! That's quite a character for such a young rich nigga...maybe it is those qualities jose has seen and likes.


Even if you believe lucas to be average does he not deserve the chance to come and prove he is actually average and then fail! The market will not permit any tier one signings for now blaad!

I am not saying he is not a good player, my worry is we already have a lot of average players.

patrickmuf:
Sterling won't play for that Spanish team so that's no pointer.
And if you're going to use Otamendi's performance in Spain and in the World cup, it'd interest you to not that Rojo was a beast at the Mundial and also one of the best defenders in Portugal before we got him.

Rojo played at left back remember and Portugal is a rubbish league that even Russian league have snatched a CL spot from them.
Sterling might get an invite, if Aspas, vitolo, Nolito and Callejon are being called up, Sterling should get an invite.

Swissh:
What is your understanding of potential. Room of improvement, to add more to his game. Don't you think Pogba still has more to add to his game. That's my idea of potential maybe yours is different.

If that's what you mean, then virtually every player that is not up to 29 are potentials since they can improve.

patrickmuf:
Otamendi and Sterling top quality but Valencia, Mata, Jones etc are of lower quality...Okay oh!

Otamendi was the best defender in laliga before he came to city and lead the Argentine defence to world cup final. Jones is not in the same cadre with him. if players like Fab and coke can be playing for Spain, and Mata couldn't what does that tell you? I did not say Valencia is not top quality, but he is already aged, after all dayo said that the reason pep failed last year was because his full backs are 30+

Swissh:
Pogba was not even the best midfielder in his own team ffs. Iniesta did nothing all year but still ended up in Fifpro eleven which is just a popularity contest. So you are saying at 22 when he made fifpro eleven he was a finished product shey.

FIFA said he is the best.
Ronaldo delima won the world best player and at 19 and 20. Messi won it at 22. Ronaldo at 23. they are not finished product at that time but they are no longer potentials.

Swissh:
Is mbappe not a fifpro nominee. His he not a potential player.

is he in FiFpro XI like Pogba? pogba was nominated in FiFpro XI what it means is that he is the best in his position in the world for that year.

Oasis007:
Though YouTube Clips are misleading sometimes, but I think the below worth sharing!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FabFl21fCho

2016/17 Season.

LMAO, the same clip conte and abromovich finished watching of Babayoko, they sold Matic and bought him.

Swissh:
HELL NO! He is 24 with a lot of potential not the finished article yet. But that amount at that time was just too much. I rather spend 80million on an established player like bale and Ronaldo like Madrid did than on potential that might not be fulfilled.

A FiFpro nominee a potential? have a nice day