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raumdeuter:
The empirical evidence we have is that Madrid won 3 CL after Mourinho playing better football and won none never played a single final with Mourinho

And that he won the league after 5 years of exile against one of the best teams in football history, broke the 7 year champions league jinx. Did not suggest anything.

codedguy1:
Guy, calm down. I did not deliver any judgement.

I am only dissatisfied with the tactics our manager is deploying and have said severally that that approach most likely will not make us win the league.

The tactic/style is even making players look like pub players because they find themselves in situations and positions that they are not exactly familiar with.

Because of this defensive approach, a player that should be in the box where he would have better chance of scoring always finds himself at the half way line and compound issues he cant hold up play - Lukaku

Attack minded players are first given defensive duties before their primary strength of play which is to attack. Rashford & martial.


The players' main objective is to not lose instead of scoring and winning.

Then he should be sacked if the club's ideology is not in tandem with his, Nobody is hailing his tactics. The genesis of the whole point is whether the team have improved from last season or not.
He said city have improved which is evident by their position NOW. Then i pointed out that it's same for united also based on their position NOW.
Don't make it sound as if anybody is trying to chastise anyone.

elampiro:
Ibrahimovic is old, and was brought to fill a gap in the transition.

If Lukaku cannot take the mantle of leading the line for the future Manchester United, let us get Aubameyang. We can still get Costa who might service us for two years.

These are the solutions we should be discussing, not analysing like the Neville brothers who went to Valencia and Failed woefully

raumdeuter:
I visit several Madrid boards including managingmadrid and others and the consensus among most fans was how low Mournho took them and the type of un-Madrid-like football he brought plus the thuggery and drama

Most of them never want to see him manage Madrid again. They will rather look back to Ancelottis reign fondly and even hang on to Zidane than bring back the days of ugly football and fight

There is no empirical evidence to this. And the point is that they have failed seven times to progress beyong r 16 till he came. Not as if he spend more than others.
He played ugly football but still holds the record for the highest goals scored in a season in laliga. Hmmn

raumdeuter:
These are links calling Sterling a big flop https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593151/Liverpool-Chelsea-Raheem-Sterling-Manchester-City-Shaun-Wright-Phillips
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1363356/england-flop-sterling-steps-off-plane-after-humiliating-defeat-and-insults-fans-by-showing-off-blinging-house/

Mata in Chelsea before Mourinho was seen as equal or at worst close to Silva. It was Mourinhos aversion for plamakers that marked the end of Matas career. Give Silva to Mourinho and you will see him detailed to mark Fellaini

Rojo was named in the 2014 world cup All star team. That has to count for something

Same with James Rodriguez, like I said Rojo was known due to his good performance in his NT.
Angelo Charisteas was in Euro 2004 team ahead of Thierry Henry, Raul, Van Nistelrooy and Zlatan. Why didn't Barca or Madrid buy him. Fabio Grosso of Italy nko, why did he not replace Evra and Ashley Cole in United and Chelsea.

The link you put there, was the fallout of their humiliating defeat against Iceland, Every player that participated in that game were termed flops, nothing to do with club form, Sterling was highlighted due to his open lack of remorse.

Yes Mata was on fire before mourinho but was ignored for Silva, Fab and Iniesta in Spain. Mata is a poor man's Silva. Are we really debating this?

raumdeuter:
Madrid with Mourinho was always timid and bullied by Dortmund Bayern in the CL, After Mourinho, Madrid destroyed both Bayern and Dortmund. Handed Bayern thir worst defeat in Europe. won last year, won this year. That was the same Madrid Mourinho will have us believe can only play defensive

Almost 80% of Madrid fans are glad Mourinho left and wont even have him back, Almost 80% of Barca fans will take Pep back if he becomes available today

You did not tackle my point, you dodged the point as usual, you pointed to what Madrid achieved after Mourinho, I told you what he improved on, but no you diverted to another issue.
How did you know that several Madrid fans want him out, did you take a census?

raumdeuter:
City is missing Jones, they are missing Mendy they are playing Delph who most people had forgotten was a footballer in LB, They even played Mangala in defence

What is Fellainis importance, you seem to be over playing his importance, I could remember some fans here ecstatic that he was going to be sent to Turkey

The same fans that called for DDG to be replaced by Lindegard in 2012 due to few errors(which really cost us the title), berated Pogba last season, and wished Valencia was sold and are also crucifying Lukaku now.

codedguy1:
This season has not ended. it is rather clumsy comparing a full season with one that has not finished with their present positions on the log.

Now you know season have not finished, but you have already delivered your judgement on the team even when the season have not finished.

raumdeuter:
Yes he was a world cup finalist and a good defender. Injury has been the only thing bedeviling his career

It's not true dayo, Rojo was considered a bad signing by LVG till Jose came.

raumdeuter:
Kompany has been useless for very long, for the past 4 seasons he has been injured and as useless as just any sick note
Sterling came of age because of Guardiola, If Mourinho had done the work Pep did on Sterling, Rashford probably will even be better
Mata was PFA team member in 13 and EPL top assister, Silva was PFA team of 12 and top assister. If Mata was used right he can do almost as much as Silva, remember Mata in Chelsea how creative he was

Rojo was a world cup finalist and quite good, At that time he could be compared to how Otamendi was.

The reason he played left back in Argentina and otamendi centre back, Otamendi was rated one of the best defenders in Europe before he entered city and was bought for 35million a record for a defender into EPL. Rojo was a left back who is not that popular, he was known do to his NT invovement, he only made the Argentine team because Argentina did not have good defenders, Like Demichelis, Garay and Fernandez of Swansea, only otamendi was their key defender.

Sterling already led Liverpool's title charge with Suarez at Liverpool, Appeared in the World cup as a starter and have played champions league for 2 years before pep came, this is his 4th champions league season. Rashford only graduated from the under 18, 6 months before mourinho arrived.
Do you really want to argue that Mata is at the same grade with Silva? Hmmn dayo nawao

You compared Kompany with Carrick who are 31 and 36 respectively.

eph12:
So what do we expect next season? Will City be adjudged to be too big for the league while United can finally move to the first position?

I don't know what will happen next season, let the team keep improving, if the board feel mourinho is not satisfying the club's objective he should be sacked. But saying the team did not improve is unfair. Chelsea was conquering everybody last season And conte was the God, this season he is clueless according to the same fans. Next season, may a few injuries and suspensions to city, coinciding with few poor referring decisions against them, the narrative might change.

If you ask me, I think Jose should stay on, he will definitely win something big.

raumdeuter:
fellaini is now important, Just like Gundogan who has been out for several months, What of Mendy

Felliani importance to united is not the the same with gundogan.
You can't deny that the injuries to pogba esp and to some extent Felliani cost united points.
If KDB did not play at Stamford bridge, and Hazard was 100%. I wonder if City would have cone out with all 3 points. These are fine margins

eph12:
They were both present last season when City played us off the pitch. City has improved tremendously and I'm wondering what difference Fellaini will make in the middle of the pitch. His presence will only be noticed in front of our goal post as a defender. What good will that do us?

City finished 3rd last season and are now 1st.
United finished 6th last season they are now 2nd. It will be unfair to suggest that city improved while United did not.

raumdeuter:
This is hilarious, In Spain the referees were against Madrid, Also in the Champions league were the refs against him or why did Madrid start winning the CL after Mourinho left? Or how do you explain Madrid winning 3 CL in 4 yrs after Mourinho left

Mourinho had Mata who was one of the great playmakers in the league before Mourinho chased him, if Mourinho had SIlva, he will tell him to be marking the Right back or bench him for Fellaini

Add Rojo world cup finalist, Blind world cup 3rd placed winner, Kompany add Carrick

Yes Rojo world cup finalist, just like. Lucas bigla, Ezekiel garay and Demichelis abeg forget all these your turn turn

raumdeuter:
This is hilarious, In Spain the referees were against Madrid, Also in the Champions league were the refs against him or why did Madrid start winning the CL after Mourinho left? Or how do you explain Madrid winning 3 CL in 4 yrs after Mourinho left

Mourinho had Mata who was one of the great playmakers in the league before Mourinho chased him, if Mourinho had SIlva, he will tell him to be marking the Right back or bench him for Fellaini

Add Rojo world cup finalist, Blind world cup 3rd placed winner, Kompany add Carrick

You forgot to add that Madrid have been constantly being eliminated in round of 16 for 7years before mourinho arrive. He took them to 3 semi-finals. Winning the league in his second season against one of the best footballing team ever witnessed. Selective judgement

raumdeuter:
Whats the difference between Sterling and rashford, before Guardiola Sterling was seen as a flop. Kompany was a liability never fit. So can we say Mourinho inherited Carrick, Mourinho inherited Herrera, Not long ago people here were telling how awesome Herrera was There is Jones, there is Shaw, Rojo an experience world cup finalist, Mata an experienced and skilfull player,

You are just hyping these guys.
At 28 Herrera have not up to 5 caps for Spain.
Carrick is 36, Kompany is 31.
Sterling has come of age, Rashford is an academy graduate still learning the ropes and just came out of teenagehood few weeks ago.
Mata us younger than Silva but has since been ignored by Spain, and was never a key player in NT. while Silva is a key member of the all conquering 'ra roja' of 2008-2012, and is still being called up, there is a gulf in class.
You can't blame Jose for the injury travails of Shaw and Jones. Rojo was a flop before Jose joined, mourinho massively improved him.

SIRcumalot:
I don't think their is any image left to redeem,We expect him to score against the "Brightons" of this league his best chance to change the narrative of how we perceive am na to score against City, he didn't. and I didn't expect him to sef,plus he needs the rest and ibra needs to be match fit.

But i thought the agreement was that he is coming to finish off the smaller teams which we couldnt win last season to turn our draws to wins against lesser opposition

eph12:
The two players for Pogba? Wow

Felliani is a very important player, he was in a very good form before he got injured, he might not be as good as those two, but he might have earned us extra points.
I just imagine if pogba and Felliani was available and KDB and Silva were out for like 2 months, the table might just have been different. You forgot that when pogba was around we were level on points, he was injured we lost 8 points then he came back we won 4 on the bounce including 2 away to arsenal and Watford. He got suspended, it's 11. Just imagine if reverse was the case, may be we might not have been this far down from them. Fine margin bro.

raumdeuter:
The team Conte made first in record time was the same one Mourinho took to relegation and was complaining how poor they were
City finished 4th in 66 points, Man Utd finished just goals difference behind City same 66points
How can a person who inherited DDG Martial Mata Rashford, Blind, Shaw, Jones, Herrera and say its a poorer team

Before either Pep or Mou took over LvG beat City twice and drew once. But we are to believe City is better

Dayo, Guardiola inherited KDB, Silva, Kompany, Sterling, Fernadinho and Aguero. Juxtapose it with those names you mentioned above. Only DDG and Martial are good, Rashford is still a youngster while the rest are passengers.

elampiro:
You were trying to tell me Gaal beat City, so I showed you that despite that, he always finished below City. Where does Mourinho come in here?

City have always been title contenders. The season before Guardiola came, 2014/2015, City were top of the table in the beginning of the season. Injury finished them. Even during Christmas, they were just three points below Leicester.

If Silva, Kompany, Aguero, De Bruyne, etc stayed fit even for 70% of the season, City would have won the league.

And in addendum, let's imagine Pogba and was not injured and KDB and Silva were out for 2 months, due to injury. And then KDB again was suspended for the Manchester derby, may be we might be looking at another different Table. Mind you this is not a defence for Jose.

codedguy1:
I purposely replied like that, not exactly mentioning Mourinhos name.

either our style of play improves attack wise or mou gets out.

How come, all of a sudden we begin to attack when we go a goal down?



@ capitalcee You are asking if its a must we win the league this season?

Winning it next season is not our birthright, so you need to do all to win it every time.

You should have asked if it is a must we should aspire to win the league at all?

I am not saying we should nt wiñ the league, we deserve to, but when we try and we fail to win it, we learn from our mistakes and move ahead for next time. The downfall of a man is not the end of his life.
Last season Chelsea won it, This season it seems city will win it, next year it might be another.
I am not defending anybody o, but there is a huge improvement from from last 2 years and last year. Na small small we will get there, it musnt be with Jose, but the team is progressing.
If you check very well all those players that Van gaal bought, only martial is a good buy despite spending almost 300m. It seems van gaal even spent more than Jose, but Jose have done far far better than him.

So let's be patient it shall be well.

elrony:
For LVG to get mouth talk.... I wee not take it ! LMAOOO

Lolz

#MourinhoOut!!! Hehehehe

elampiro:
Manchester United under Van Gaal

United 78% possession
Opponent 22% possession

United 592 passes, 84% completed
Opponent 106 passes, 57% completed

Mid way into the second half. Scores at 0-0 and United fans shouting 'attack, attack, attack'

LVG that we can't even guarantee top4 during his time. He bought.
Di Maria - 59.6m.
Rojo _16m
Herrera - 30m
Luke Shaw- 30m
Blind- 14m.
schneiderlein - 26m.
schweisteiger - 14m.
depay- 25m.
And all the money he spend on falcao; but still he is playing rubbish and can't win a decent match. I was very happy when that man left

SalamRushdie:
We should after 2019 . An APGA candidate will only guarantee Buhari victory at the poll ..please let be wise when dealing with the vile herdsman

Let's be realistic, even without APGA Buhari might still win, so let's not make it as if, we are totally supporting a particular party just like we did in 2015. We need variety. We are not getting presidency any time soon, why not ignore the other regions and their presidency wahala for now. and vote in ÀPGA in all our states. At least if we have 5 APGA governors, 15 senators and many more HOR members and HOA members, develop our states with our "little " allocations and IGRs, making our region the best in terms of governance and we work with one ideology. This way we are having a "virtual Biafra" believe me other regions will want to emulate and negotiate with us.
Let's leave Atiku and Buhari to fight themselves, let's not carry their matter for head like gala. It's bringing us out as being naive

SalamRushdie:
APGA has started it nonsense in partnership with Buhari to dilute South east votes to Buharis favour ..APGA Must not field any presidential aspirant because key block vites form the south east are key to unseating the dullard .

So are you saying igbos should not build from the background? Yorubas had ACN and later developed it to APC. Let's not just collapse all our machinery into one party.

When people like Van gaal who spent almost 300m and sold most of our good players for peanuts, yet can't win matches convincingly and can't go far in any European completion, not minding scrapping top 4 or finishing out of if completely , can talk that means my club is in deep shit

dubylhover:
so in other words mou should b sacked and an "attacking" coach should b signed

That's the message.

codedguy1:
we all know that at some point even SAF played a defensive game against the likes of barca because that barca team was something else.

But we knew how we dominated or played other teams that we were expected to dominate.

From the time we the fake fans complained about Mourinhos approach to games it was clear that even teams that we were expected to dominate, we did not and that's the reason we are 11points behind.

when we won games with this approach, even against average teams, we were asked why we were complaining because we got the 3points. it simply meant that when we played badly and got the 3points then we should not criticize any aspect of the team or coach.

The complaining was because we had seen that this approach/model/style or tactics was not sustainable and would not get us anywhere.

My point is if we had approached other games with a positive tactics we would probably be 3 or 4points behind city which is nothing.

unless something cataclysmic happens to city,there is a better chance of the chasing pack catching up with us than us catching city if we continue with this nonsense style.

And i ask, must we win the league this season? Honestly if we win it Good, if not, I don't see it as a failure.
If at the end of last season, someone told me that we will be sitting comfortably in 2nd and are favourite to reach UCL quarters, honestly I will be very very content with it. I don't know for others sha

ceejayx:
Next season

It's possible o, na so Leicester own start like play like play they suceed

UncleJudax:
What ist credible about The Report in The First place?

There is nothing credible about the report but you are already blaming another party based on the report

gurunlocker:
I think APC is still in pain that as a ruling party they have not been able to hold a convention since they came into power... Still in shock about the success of PDP convention.

I think this is the main reason why APC will defeat PDP in the forthcoming elections, you guys just jump online to level unfounded allegation anyhow. Where did you see APC on that news, any thing that went wrong in PDP instead of addressing it to a logical conclusion you online warriors will just be blaming other ppl.