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sinizia:
The last time I argued with him, I apologized to myself for wasting my time debating with him. It's a strenuous exercise. He always spew that bullshît whenever he's being exposed and brutally whooped. Bone that guy abeg.

I earlier reneged on debating with him, due to his history of funny but stupid comments. At last I decided to gamble on him yet again in the hope that he must have developed some brain cells, but yet again he did not disappoint his landmark with his shallow posts bereft of any rational thinking.

hensben:
You nor fit get mikel from us na Hazard you wan get..

Which validate my point, but as usual your brain with a very low RAM will not understand the debate

raumdeuter:
Now this is a challenge, Show me 3 other big clubs in Europe that has 10 players currently in their team bought from their league

Show us any other team that has 10 players from their league in their current team

Man Utd is the ultimate predator

If we go into history and show how Man Utd cherry picked the best from the league. Rio, Cantona, RvP, Pallister, Yorke, Cole, Rooney, Roy Keane, thats almost another 10

Gotze is not in Bayern he is currently a Dortmund player

Just recently Bayern signed a player from Lyon and Madrid, Man Utd signed a player from EVerton from their league

That's like 10 players from over 3 decades. But in 2002 after Leverkusen challenged them to the title ( albeit in a David vs Goliath fashion) they raided them for Lucio,Ballack, and Zeroberto, years later a litany of them joined, to mention but a few, KLose, GomeZ, schweizteiger, Neuer, Hummel, Gotze, Lewandowski and Luiz Gustavo. For the records Paul Gascoigne,Alan shearer, Matt le tessiers, Robbie Fowler,Micheal Owen, Stephen Gerarrd, Lampard, theiry Henry, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Stan collymore are some of the household names Ferguson could not poach. But tell me any reasonable player that terrorised bundesliga that didn't play for Bayern. If it was easy Flopdiola would have snapped up Sanchez. Just they way he bullied Dortmund for Lewandowski. You league is a one team league shamefully agree

sinizia:
Average players. While Madrid and Barca pick the best of the talents from both within and outside their league.

Don't mind him you can't do that in England that is why they have limited trophy success compared to those in Germany and Spain. Flopdiola is a good testament of that analogy

raumdeuter:
Which trophies?

You have 3 CL Madrid has 12. 3 times 4 = 12

We are saying the same thing. Trophies ooo Madrid get am but big ooo , no no

sinizia:
Yes. In fact many criteria are involved including some of them which has been listed up there. That's why I said "as for me". Meaning personal opinion. Trophies alone can't be used because they're team with more trophies than United but they're not bigger than us. Present success alone doesn't cut it because they're teams that have won more trophies than us in the last 3 years but are not bigger than us. Many things are involved but for consistency over the years in terms of wealth, star footballers, global appeal, prestige, trophies, etc., Madrid is ht biggest for me.

Even our crown jewels like Beckham and CR7 all left for Madrid. Many players will choose Madrid ahead of United more than those that will choose United over Madrid.


The competition of EPL doesn't help too in the sense that premier league rivals would rather sell to Barca or Madrid first than to other top EPL teams in other not to strengthen them. So Madrid end up getting top talents from both their leagues and outside.

you are intelligent. I agree

raumdeuter:
Apples and oranges.

A football club main goal is to win. And not all the other criteria you are listing

Whether you agree or not Madrid is bigger than every team in EUrope

But United also wins trophies, it's not like they don't win trophies, the icing here is that they thumps every other club in every other thing. Hence the jealousy from all and sundry

raumdeuter:
A fan whose team just signed Lukaku from a fellow EPL club

In your club currently, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Carrick, Mata, Lukaku, Shaw

Tats about 10 players you bought from other EPL teams

Now this is a challenge, Show me 3 other big clubs in Europe that has 10 players currently in their team bought from their league

BTW a team with 20 league is bigger than a team with 33
A team with 3 CL bigger than a team with 12 CL

A team that finished 6th in the league bigger than a team who won the league, and won the CL back to back

You should find a way into comedy

United alone don't cherry pick, if not we will simply go for hazard, Kante, Sanchez and Harry Kane. Bayern has hummels,gotze,Lewa and Neuer. Six teams can win EPL but in Germany on Bayern can even if it's Sunday Oliseh that coach them. Flopdiola will say hello!

sinizia:
For me, Madrid is bigger than Manchester United. Not just for this year but for many years. Currently, even Barcelona is bigger than United but we're bigger than them in the time past. Barcelona for the last 8 years have achieved unlimited success to be behind only Madrid as the second biggest team in the world. US being richer than Barca doesn't make us the bigger team PRESENTLY. but Depending on future success, we can still surpass them.

The fact that La Liga have only 2 major teams helps Madrid and Barca's course, though.

trophies are not the only criteria for how big a club is.

raumdeuter:
This is football the only thing that counts is success. Not who is richer. PSG is also richer than Juventus, Biggest fan base? Is that a criteria?

We should also start looking for who has the finest jersey too

These are examples of what you hang on to when you have failed miserably on the field

So if comparing students in a school, you will abandon their academic achievement and compare them based on who is richer and who is more popular

I guess your professor in university will tenaciously hold unto his academic Laurels if offered the chance to become Buhari whose validity of O level result is a subject of debate?

Real Madrid is not bigger than United. Period. They may be bigger than the one team league champions but not the club with the highest fanbase, worth and global reach and appeal.

Lana1:
And none has termed United bigger either

Ofcourse. It's a major matter of opinion.

donjazet:
PERFORMANCE RELATED. YES. those teams have won more and performed better than united in the last 5 years.

Lolz Dortmund in the last 5 years has not won any league title, they gave only won 2 DFB pokal cup. United has won the league, Fa cup, League cup and Europa league within that period. Chelsea fans won't stop amazing you with ridiculous comments.

raumdeuter:
LMAO

Man Utd claiming they are greater than Madrid.

Better get out and go to your one team boring league. And don't forget to hand Ancelloti the list of the best players in each of the bundesliga team so he will cherry pick the ones he like.

hensben:
https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2921425/chelsea-uefa-coefficient-rankings-europe/amp/

So Sevilla, FC Porto, Dortmund, PSG are all bigger than United ee Kwa,? This guy sef

hensben:
Real Madrid is far more bigger than manure..currently bChelse fc is better than manure.

Chai!!!! Chelsea

lekkie073:
The term ‘big club’ is given to a wide variety of clubs these days and opinions vary an awful lot on what makes a club bigger and better than any other, so I decided to take it upon myself to voice my own opinion on what makes a club ‘BIG’.
Silverware?
Silverware is no doubt a very important and meaningful statistic in football, but does it really decide which club is bigger than the other? I personally think no. If silverware (including historic success) decided the size of a club, then surely Leicester City would be considered bigger than numerous clubs in football today? From what I see fans across the globe use their title success (not taking away from the fact it was mission impossible) to back up their opinion on silverware making the size of a club better than any other. It is also mentioned fairly frequently that clubs such a Liverpool and Arsenal are no longer ‘big’ because, well, “what have they won in the past 10-15 years. So to put it plain and simple, no. I do not think silverware defines a ‘big club’.

The Players?
For sure, some clubs around Europe have some of the biggest and most popular talents in world football, but do the players on the pitch really define a club’s size? We see them come and go, whether they play for the shirt or for their prima donna egos. I certainly think that no player is bigger than any club and they do certainly not make a club’s size differ depending on their popularity and talent. One player who certainly fits the bill in that description is Tottenham Hostpur midifielder Moussa Sissoko. Last season, the Frenchman was undeniably a large factor into Newcastle’s fall down to the Championship. His performances on the pitch did not fill the Toon Faithful with joy and excitement, but more disappointment and anger, however it was his antics off the field that angered the fan base, as in many interviews over the Summer during the transfer window, he expressed his desire to leave Tyneside in search of Premier League & Champions League football.
Despite having that ‘rotten attitude’ he has been known to have over the past few years, he finally managed to seal a move to fit his profound qualities in Tottenham, although it is safe to say that his time in North London has not been as he thought. The midfielder has consistently been benched by Pochettino and has not particularly impressed when given a chance. Not only that, but since his departure, Newcastle have finally rewarded their loyal fans with what they deserve, in a young, hungry and passionate squad, which is no doubt leading them back to the Premier League; and remember, “It’s not about the name on the back of the shirt, but more the badge on the front.”

The Fans?
Finally, the fans. One category that seems to go under the radar is the backing of the fans for the club they love. Personally, I believe that what makes a club ‘big’ is the fans themselves. The reason for this is that, without the fans, the club is nothing. The fans ARE the club. Once, a great in the name of Sir Bobby Robson was once quoted on what a club truly is. It spoke volumes on how much the fans give to the club without the credibility most of them deserve. They stick with their side through thick and thin, through the biting cold of the winter and the sweltering heat in the Summer.
The fans are the ones who pay to go through the turnstiles and support their team no matter the results, they are the ones who pay for shirts, mugs etc to fund the club. Their wages, provide for new players to come and for others to leave. A club without any fans would not be anything, and what would be the purpose of that club then? Nothing. It may as well not exist. As stated before, players come and go, as do managers, but the fans stick by that club through everything and that is what makes a football club great. The fans. The size of the fan base, the better, and the size of the fan base, the bigger the club itself in my personal opinion.

So yes, to summarise I believe that it is the fans themselves that make a ‘big club’. As without them, the club would be nothing.




culled from the internet

So in summary Real Madrid is not bigger than Manchester united. No credible football site or daily has termed Madrid as bigger than United.

donjazet:
I don't know who keeps comparing Chelsea with Aston Villa
Chelsea's trophy cabinet far out numbers theirs. Are you using only the EPL trophy to judge? How about fa cup, carling cup and champions league.
What kind of analogy are you using sef

oga Villa has more EPL than Chelsea and equal number of UCL, even they have more world titles than Chelsea, hence more successful, after all your fellow shekpe fan said one gold in Olympics is more than 20 bronze medals. After Villa you have Nothingham Forest to overtake before coming for the big boys Liverpool and United.

hensben:
The difference is why Aston villa has gone to the oblivion Chelsea is still waxing stronger, can same be said in the case of manure and Real Madrid.

On this case Chelsea is man u, Madrid is villa. Chelsea is bigger Villa has more trophies
United is bigger Madrid has more trophies. Check it very well. No matter how you spin it. Madrid is not a Bigger Football club than United

Odunharry:
Lana1 I said United is the biggest and Madrid isn't the most successful in terms of trophies won.

Sometimes I wonder how some people debate at times, what does it mean for a football club to be big? Sponsors will be more eager to broker s deal with United that with Madrid because of its extraordinary global acceptance and exponential increase in fanbase, as well as marketing appeal this is because United is the biggest and they will gain more ordience. Even in terms of trophies United has won a sizeable lots too. Aston Villa is more successful than Chelsea, but Chelsea is bigger. Nothingham Forest is more successful than Spurs but spurs is bigger. Madrid is more successful than United but United is bigger

Lana1:
Lmao. Na ur criteria for biggest and/or greatest club in the world be this?? Global reach?? Acceptance??

My friend what are your criteria? Man United is bigger than Madrid in terms of wealth, global reach and acceptance, most viewers, newspapers and sports sites want to publish news about them because it generates more clicks and downloads, United fans globally is bigger than that of Madrid, and Bayern combined. And have won a competitive number of trophies highest in a big football league like England, Hence a bigger club. The only criterion Madrid thumps United is in trophies, which is important though but putting Chelsea and Aston Villa in perspective you should rearrange your philosophy

Lana1:
Yes na. Madrid has the most UCL titles, most LaLiga titles, they are the 2nd wealthiest club in the world. Plus they ve been constantly competing at the highest stage every year. Not to mention they just did back to back UCLs. Abi how are they not the greatest club in the world right now?? If not them, then who??

P.S. I no like Madrid. Only support them from time to time to piss in Barca's face

cc christinec

That's your opinion bro,no credible football site has ranked Madrid as the greatest, most successful yes but for the love of God Man United is bigger than Madrid since they are wealthier, has more than double of number of fans, greater global acceptance, more watched and even trophy-wise are not push ovees which Team has not been competing in the highest level constantly, 3 years ago Man u were in the CL quarter finals Chelsea were in the semis that same year. From 2004- 2010 Madrid did not make it pass the round of 16. Barcelona did not qualify for champions league in 2004 when Ronaldinho won the ballon dor. Bayern were eliminated by Zenith in 2008 UEFA cup one day after united eliminated Barcelona enroute winning the UCL in Moscow. Every team has a period they don't compete at the highest level. If you say more trophies I accept it, but BIGGER? Haba! How ? Athletico Madrid and Dortmund competes in the highest level currently more than AC Milan, but the San Siro club is Far more bigger than the 2. A big club is one which can pull the highest number of fans, viewers, sponsors, global appeal and still compete in the highest level from generation to generation which is what Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, United, Liverpool, Juventus, Acmilan and may be Inter Milan are. realmadrid is more successful than United in trophies won but not a Bigger Football club

MaziOmenuko:
Paper Talk from Skysports



http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk

I am not too comfortable with the deals in red @ 3 and 4; DIer (outrageous price tag, typical of Spurs) and Muller (Pensioner, Schweinsteiger shoud have taught us a lesson)

Me too whatever happened to Fabinho, anyhow we no be the coach

Lordemperoris100:
[left][/left]Thrash Thrash

explain to me how u can be the biggest club without being d most succesfull

make COMMON sense fall on u immediately

if Na chelseabor arsenal fans u will start bragging

no doubt manure is De biggest club in england but not the world at large

Running from pillar to post, answer my question is Madrid BIGGER than United? I am not bragging I am just repeating what you said that Real Madrid is a bigger club than Man United, how? You listed their honours which I agree is impressive. I sighted the case of Villa and shekpe, you rubbished Villa's achievements, then I asked you so Liverpool having been more successful in terms of trophies before United overtook them just 2 months ago, are they (Liverpool) BIGGER than United pre-mourinho? Simple question.

Lordemperoris100:
Do you know why james Rodriguez snubbed manure

because he found out that manure is stepp down to his career ( he choosebbayern )

Bayern is superior to man u incasw u are not aware

who is talking about James or whoever? You said Madrid is bigger than United because they have won 33 Laliga and 12 champions league, I agree they have won it all, but are they BIGGER than Man United?.
Aston Villa : 7 EPL 1 champions league
Chelsea : 6 EPL 1 champions league.
So by your logic Aston Villa is bigger that Chelsea?

Lordemperoris100:
There is no silly question to answer

Until u prove to me how manure is better than Barca or even small Bayern Munich history wise then we can talk

Nna eeh this guy has changed the goal post to suit his narrative, answer the question how is Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona Bigger than United? that is the debate.
Before Man U won the 2 major trophies last season to overtake Liverpool as the most successful English club, 43 against 42 or there about. Is Liverpool bigger than Man United as at 2016? Is Madrid the most successful club in the world or are they the biggest club in the world? Please Educate your boy, I am not arguing with you

ChristineC:
by giving peanuts to the other 18 teams in the La Liga, getting government handouts and tax evasions.

Don't mind him, if you say most successful ehe you are correct, but bigger? Na na na n aaa. I don't agree. Barca and Madrid may win more trophies than United but they are not bigger.

Lana1:
U and Leyqute should not disturb ursef. LameEmeperor...whatever, na one of the dullest LaLiga fans on this board.

Anyways, Madrid is the greatest club in the world Right now.

When you say greatest are you talking about the most successful in terms of trophies or what? So Aston Villa having more EPL titles and equal number of champions league means they are bigger or greater than Chelsea or man city for instance?

Lordemperoris100:
I never knew manure is the biggest club in football history

bigger than barca and Madrid

Which club is the most valuable club in the world? Which club has the highest number of fans globally? which club has the highest annual turnover? Which club is the most talked about and sports dailies want to publish news about them to get clicks? I guess it's Niger tornadoes.

How is Madrid and Barcelona bigger than United? How ? Fans? Global reach and acceptance? Worth? Money? Match viewer? Just what?

hensben:
so which team is the greatest?

I am not cut out for your argument this evening look elsewhere

Lordemperoris100:
My friend keep your thrash to your silly self..

Mr.Perez is a happy man ,his team is greatest club in the world and recently broke the UCL b2b jinx.

It should be manure fans n board who are pained

Mr man man shu t up who told you his team is the greatest in the world as it stands? By the way what brought you to this thread to come and sulk here?

funlord:
Exactly! It's just like how man united is considered a step up from the gayners by your best players? We buy your quality RVPs and sell you our waste pipes like welgbef and silvestre! That makes assnal look like the kind of slut that even after drinking all the _sperm out of our _cocks still ended up sucking our testes while we slept!

The 1diot is better ignored but this your response is legendary.
You forgot how they have been supplying Barca and man city their best to at least win a league. Hleb, Song,Henry,Varmalean,Overmarc,Fabregas with Bellerin the next in line.
Clichy, Adebayor, Toure, Sagna and Nasri. Imagine small man shitty that Wakes up every morning to greet us Good morning

JayKayMaybachz:
Manchester United are deep in discussions with Real Madrid over a deal to sign James Rodriguez in a move that would likely cost upwards of €70m (£62m), but Luka Modric has warned the 25-year-old Columbia international that a move to Old Trafford would be a step down.

The Independent

I think most of us man u fans including me that are sheepishly supporting Real Madrid should reconsider at this juncture, they sell average players to us at extortionate amount, we sell good ones to them at a considerate amount, their players use us to get contract upgrade, now Modric is telling James that joining us is a step down. See Modric ooo. I don't blame him I blame age that let SAF to retire