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raumdeuter:
Goofanti. Sense you don't have football knowledge baabu

Bayern bought Schweinsteiger to weaken which rival?

Bayern did not buy Khedira because they already bought Javi martinez

Oh Bayern didnt buy Khedira because he cant bench Luiz Gustavo

Oh Bayern didnt bench Ozil an AM because he cant bench Schweinsteiger a CM

Bayern didnt buy DeBruyne an AM because of Robben a winger

Melo melo melo melo la fe wi

The Aristotle of football said the following

1. Roy Carroll moved from an EPL team to man United, Carrol moved from Wigan Athletic in 2001 but my little Wigan got promoted to EPL for the first time in 2005.

2. Alan Smith moved from an EPL team to man United. But Alan moved from Leeds in 2004, at that time Leeds were already relegated.

3. The olodo said again that Michael Owen moved from Newcastle to UNITED to weaken the opposition, but my dear Michael was only a free agent released by the Tyneside club. United did not sign Owen from Newcastle.

4. The oponu again mentioned that Carlos Tevez was was sign by United from West Ham, but is oblivious of the fact that Carlos was part owned by Kia Jorabchain in a third party deal.

5. the mumu now said that Eric Cantona moved from Leeds to UNITED because because Cantona who wasn't among the top scorers and player for Leeds in 1991 was purchased by SAF to " punish" Leeds, the then champions for challenging us for the league we did not win for over 20 years.

I thought that at least for a club you troll almost on a daily basis, you should know the basics about them before coming to spew nonsense.

raumdeuter:
Goofanti. Sense you don't have football knowledge baabu

Bayern bought Schweinsteiger to weaken which rival?

Bayern did not buy Khedira because they already bought Javi martinez

Oh Bayern didnt buy Khedira because he cant bench Luiz Gustavo

Oh Bayern didnt bench Ozil an AM because he cant bench Schweinsteiger a CM

Bayern didnt buy DeBruyne an AM because of Robben a winger
Melo melo melo melo la fe wi

Hahahahahahaahahahahgahaha , daze him up and down he will run away and come back with nonsense. Moving from pillar to Post. Abeg Run and don't come back ODE mk 3452

joeace2020:
You think you are talking to idiots here abi? Your God has been used to mop the floor. Went to a team same player once said he didn't know was in Manchester. Now embarrassing his adopted father (according to deluded fans like you) in front of the world media. He's been singing since PSG offered him a better deal that Baldiola was offerin.

The l.diot has been denying that flopdiola did not bid for Dani, but Dani said it himself that he disappointed the Spanish Moyes. It's every where in the media, he kept denying it.

raumdeuter:
Defintely am not your match for your match you have to find those who make 7 gaffes in 7 posts

Man Utd got Owen from Newcastle a premier league team

Chairman did the purchase of Owen weaken the opposition? Did same hand United the league?

Again you said Cantona was bought to weaken Leeds in 1992, but United are not stronger than Leeds that time and they have not won the league for about 2 decades before Cantona left Leeds to UNITED, so in other words Cantona is joining a lower club. Again Leeds won the League Chiefly because of stars like Gary McAllister,david batty, Gordon strachan and Lee Chapman. So how did United weaken Leeds. Cantona as a forward is not even among the league top scorers that year so what informed your stupid opinion on that. Keep running from pillar to post oponu!

raumdeuter:
How can you call yourself knowledgable in football and get basic facts wrong. You need to upgrade.

And for a truth ay topic in football, I will take you to school no be by mouth.

Like the way you included Michael Owen as a Star that united snapped up to weaken the opposition. Again I tell you, you are not my match in terms of football knowledge

raumdeuter:
LMAO. The first thing you should do is get your facts right before joining an argument. Before contributing on a forum first read, evaluate the intellect of people you will be posting to

If na beer parlour you can be saying all these

How can you have any credibility or football knowledge when you have made about 7 gaffes in the past 2hrs

You goofed so much you should be renamed Goofanti

Lol because I couldn't cram the entire Bayern squad that makes me your equal? You didn't debunk the real topic sentence of the debate you kept running from pillar to post. Leave me alone oooooo. I don't have Time for your boring club

raumdeuter:
Almost every of your post is filled with factual gaffes

Khedira moved to Madrid in 2010, Gustavo joined Bayern in 2011, So explain the logic where Khedira will displace a player who isnt in Bayern from Bayern You know I told yu that you have a career in comedy. Was Lukaku bought to displace Van persie?

Ozil and Debruyne will not crack the Bayern team Really? Debruyne who was the best player in the league wont crack Bayern team? How come the person playing his role at Bayern didnt win?

You now see why you are a joke?

if I know you?, I dont know you and I already see the joke. If I now know you, I will probably fall down from laughing everytime because you are a joke. Get on stage and keep quiet you will see everyone reeling in laughter

1. Bundesliga is a one team league
2. Bayern weaken their rivals deliberately
3. Bundesliga is boring and nobody wants to watch it as we already know the champions.
4. You don't have more Football knowledge that I do.

Now get lost

raumdeuter:
Rooney made team of the tournament at Euro 200 just before he joined
Rio wasnt the best Man Utd just felt like wasting money by making him the costliest defender
RvP wasnt the best in Arsenal, he wasnt even PFA player of the year


Ballack = Cantona
Rio = Hummels
RvP = Lewandoski
Rooney = Gotze
Klose = Berbatov
Lucio = Pallister
Andy Cole = Mario Gomez

Who else. I still have like 25 players Man utd bought from other EPL teams that I havent distributed o

You done win . Leave me alone. But you should try a post graduate degree in philosophy or Law. You can turn a pure fallacy to near truth.

raumdeuter:
You need to upgrade your football knowledge. Its very below par.
Does Ozil and Schweisteiger play the same position so why will he displace him. Will Mata displace Carrick
Khedira moved to Madrid in 2010, Javi Martinez was bought 2yrs later. Its like saying Lukaku bought this yr will displace RVP sold 2yrs ago
Debruyne doesnt play the same position as Robben. Does kroos and Bale play the same role?

How many errors I wan correct from you this morning

Khedira would still not displace Luiz Gustavo. And Ozil , debruyne and Ozil would still not crack that Bayern team. What are you talking sef.

In terms of football knowledge you are no match to me Mr Man. If you know me you won't be talking that trash up there. Any way I have seen that your ability to change goal post to suit your narrative is legendary as evidence by people's posts here. I won't waste my time with you anymore. Who even discuss Bayern and bundesliga when more interesting teams from competitive leagues are there.

raumdeuter:
Do you know Rooney Pallister Yorke and Rio were all record transfer in their own ways?

Yes lets believe you that they are non entities. You havent told me which rival club Bayern bought Schweinsteiger from

They are still not the best in their respective positions when they joined unlike Ballack,Klose, Lewandowski, Gomez, Hummels, Neuer, and Lucio.

As for Bastian, I have cross checked my records which says he came from Bayern youth team, but that doesn't deviate the fact that Bayern weaken their rivals deliberately to monopolize the league, making it a very boring league. The

raumdeuter:
The same way we bought Khedira Ozil, Debruyne, Reus Sahin Kagawa etc

that is because Bayern don't need them, not as if they snubbed Bayern. There are better players at that time at Bayern. Like Ozil cannot displace schweizteiger in 2010 that he moved to Madrid neither will Khedira displace the newly acquired Javi Martinez at that time. Kagawa and sahin as good as they may at that time cannot bench Kroos and schweizteiger, the same for de bruyne and Robben. But henry dVieir and Pires will walk into united team at that time even Ashley Cole

osgreat:
There is no post shifting here. It has always been said here that buying from your direct competitor is the main issue here, not buying from lesser teams.

How many players did we buy from Leeds apart from Cantona? And buying only Cantona wasn't the reason why they didn't win the league again.

Don't mind him, if it was to be in bundesliga, after the Arsenal invincible season, Pires, Henry Ljumberg and Vieira would have been heading to United

sinizia:
Haba Dayokanu. Take am easy. Cantona wasn't signed immediately after they won the league. The next season after their title they didn't retain the league and when Leeds manager, Wilkinson, inquired about Irwin, SAF jokingly asked if he could get Cantona. Their coach as then didn't deem Cantona indispensable, as a matter of fact he was eager to let him go because they don't see eye to eye. So it's not as a result of any punishment. Cantona wasn't even in SAF transfer targets, SAF was just lucky enough to be in the room when that fateful call came in.

Don't mind him, Cantona was a trouble maker at that time and Leeds want to get rid of him. If it was in Germany, Henry,Suarez,Lampard, Shearer le tessiers, Gascoigne, Peak Owen, Fowler Gerrard and Drogba would have all played for United

raumdeuter:
You said 3 decades? I gave you almost 10 in the current team, I gave you another 10 from prevous time thats like over 20players. I havent even gone to the Alan Smith, Tevez, Saha, Van Der saar etc that you bought from other EPL teams I will conveniently give you 30 players easily that Man Utd bought from other EPL side

Lets count Rio, Cantona, RvP, Pallister, Yorke, Cole, Rooney, Roy Keane, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Carrick, Mata, Lukaku, Shaw, Alan Smith, Tevez, Saha, Van Der saar, David May, Dennis Irwin, Roy Carrol, Henning Berg, Berbatov, Michael owen, Schneiderlin

How many be that?

But from your arguments I dont think you are worth the stress when you can mention Schweinsteiger as a player we got from other teams

That long list you lumped here is not what we are saying, let me pick the best of the best from that your long list.

At the time Rooney joined United he is not the best striker, he was only 18 then, Thierry Henry, RVN and Shearer were the elite strikers at that time and Everton is not our Direct rivals.

Eric Cantona is a troublesome striker that Leeds wanted to get rid of, even SAF was warned to forget about him that he comes with a lot of baggage, hence his 1.2m price when Shearer was going for 15m.again Leeds did not challenge United for titles that year, Villa did.

Van de sar was a 34 year old from Fulham that failed at Juve. Many don't want him then hence his 1m price. Fulham are relegation strugglers.

Roy Keane was a big money purchase but we at that time are not even bigger than Liverpool and Arsenal.
Mata is behind Oscar in the perking order at Chelsea so hardly is it weakening the opposition.

Tevez had a complicated third party case at that time SAF only took a gamble on him albeit on loan.
Rio, Carrick, Yorke Andy Cole were not the best in their position in England when they joined and none of their clubs are title challengers.
Micheal Owen?? Seriously,? Owen that just came to United when his career is all but over to collect his solitary league medal. Only RVP was at the top of the top when he joined even though at that time Arsenal are also-rans.

hensben:
Yes because those clubs don't have 10 ucl in their shelf. Remember 1 gold is worth more than 7 bronze.

that is the reason Nothingham Forest Forest with 2 UCL against Chelsea's 1 is bigger

sinizia:
The last time I argued with him, I apologized to myself for wasting my time debating with him. It's a strenuous exercise. He always spew that bullshît whenever he's being exposed and brutally whooped. Bone that guy abeg.

I earlier reneged on debating with him, due to his history of funny but stupid comments. At last I decided to gamble on him yet again in the hope that he must have developed some brain cells, but yet again he did not disappoint his landmark with his shallow posts bereft of any rational thinking.

hensben:
You nor fit get mikel from us na Hazard you wan get..

Which validate my point, but as usual your brain with a very low RAM will not understand the debate

raumdeuter:
Now this is a challenge, Show me 3 other big clubs in Europe that has 10 players currently in their team bought from their league

Show us any other team that has 10 players from their league in their current team

Man Utd is the ultimate predator

If we go into history and show how Man Utd cherry picked the best from the league. Rio, Cantona, RvP, Pallister, Yorke, Cole, Rooney, Roy Keane, thats almost another 10

Gotze is not in Bayern he is currently a Dortmund player

Just recently Bayern signed a player from Lyon and Madrid, Man Utd signed a player from EVerton from their league

That's like 10 players from over 3 decades. But in 2002 after Leverkusen challenged them to the title ( albeit in a David vs Goliath fashion) they raided them for Lucio,Ballack, and Zeroberto, years later a litany of them joined, to mention but a few, KLose, GomeZ, schweizteiger, Neuer, Hummel, Gotze, Lewandowski and Luiz Gustavo. For the records Paul Gascoigne,Alan shearer, Matt le tessiers, Robbie Fowler,Micheal Owen, Stephen Gerarrd, Lampard, theiry Henry, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Stan collymore are some of the household names Ferguson could not poach. But tell me any reasonable player that terrorised bundesliga that didn't play for Bayern. If it was easy Flopdiola would have snapped up Sanchez. Just they way he bullied Dortmund for Lewandowski. You league is a one team league shamefully agree

sinizia:
Average players. While Madrid and Barca pick the best of the talents from both within and outside their league.

Don't mind him you can't do that in England that is why they have limited trophy success compared to those in Germany and Spain. Flopdiola is a good testament of that analogy

raumdeuter:
Which trophies?

You have 3 CL Madrid has 12. 3 times 4 = 12

We are saying the same thing. Trophies ooo Madrid get am but big ooo , no no

sinizia:
Yes. In fact many criteria are involved including some of them which has been listed up there. That's why I said "as for me". Meaning personal opinion. Trophies alone can't be used because they're team with more trophies than United but they're not bigger than us. Present success alone doesn't cut it because they're teams that have won more trophies than us in the last 3 years but are not bigger than us. Many things are involved but for consistency over the years in terms of wealth, star footballers, global appeal, prestige, trophies, etc., Madrid is ht biggest for me.

Even our crown jewels like Beckham and CR7 all left for Madrid. Many players will choose Madrid ahead of United more than those that will choose United over Madrid.


The competition of EPL doesn't help too in the sense that premier league rivals would rather sell to Barca or Madrid first than to other top EPL teams in other not to strengthen them. So Madrid end up getting top talents from both their leagues and outside.

you are intelligent. I agree

raumdeuter:
Apples and oranges.

A football club main goal is to win. And not all the other criteria you are listing

Whether you agree or not Madrid is bigger than every team in EUrope

But United also wins trophies, it's not like they don't win trophies, the icing here is that they thumps every other club in every other thing. Hence the jealousy from all and sundry

raumdeuter:
A fan whose team just signed Lukaku from a fellow EPL club

In your club currently, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Carrick, Mata, Lukaku, Shaw

Tats about 10 players you bought from other EPL teams

Now this is a challenge, Show me 3 other big clubs in Europe that has 10 players currently in their team bought from their league

BTW a team with 20 league is bigger than a team with 33
A team with 3 CL bigger than a team with 12 CL

A team that finished 6th in the league bigger than a team who won the league, and won the CL back to back

You should find a way into comedy

United alone don't cherry pick, if not we will simply go for hazard, Kante, Sanchez and Harry Kane. Bayern has hummels,gotze,Lewa and Neuer. Six teams can win EPL but in Germany on Bayern can even if it's Sunday Oliseh that coach them. Flopdiola will say hello!

sinizia:
For me, Madrid is bigger than Manchester United. Not just for this year but for many years. Currently, even Barcelona is bigger than United but we're bigger than them in the time past. Barcelona for the last 8 years have achieved unlimited success to be behind only Madrid as the second biggest team in the world. US being richer than Barca doesn't make us the bigger team PRESENTLY. but Depending on future success, we can still surpass them.

The fact that La Liga have only 2 major teams helps Madrid and Barca's course, though.

trophies are not the only criteria for how big a club is.

raumdeuter:
This is football the only thing that counts is success. Not who is richer. PSG is also richer than Juventus, Biggest fan base? Is that a criteria?

We should also start looking for who has the finest jersey too

These are examples of what you hang on to when you have failed miserably on the field

So if comparing students in a school, you will abandon their academic achievement and compare them based on who is richer and who is more popular

I guess your professor in university will tenaciously hold unto his academic Laurels if offered the chance to become Buhari whose validity of O level result is a subject of debate?

Real Madrid is not bigger than United. Period. They may be bigger than the one team league champions but not the club with the highest fanbase, worth and global reach and appeal.

Lana1:
And none has termed United bigger either

Ofcourse. It's a major matter of opinion.

donjazet:
PERFORMANCE RELATED. YES. those teams have won more and performed better than united in the last 5 years.

Lolz Dortmund in the last 5 years has not won any league title, they gave only won 2 DFB pokal cup. United has won the league, Fa cup, League cup and Europa league within that period. Chelsea fans won't stop amazing you with ridiculous comments.

raumdeuter:
LMAO

Man Utd claiming they are greater than Madrid.

Better get out and go to your one team boring league. And don't forget to hand Ancelloti the list of the best players in each of the bundesliga team so he will cherry pick the ones he like.

hensben:
https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2921425/chelsea-uefa-coefficient-rankings-europe/amp/

So Sevilla, FC Porto, Dortmund, PSG are all bigger than United ee Kwa,? This guy sef

hensben:
Real Madrid is far more bigger than manure..currently bChelse fc is better than manure.

Chai!!!! Chelsea

lekkie073:
The term ‘big club’ is given to a wide variety of clubs these days and opinions vary an awful lot on what makes a club bigger and better than any other, so I decided to take it upon myself to voice my own opinion on what makes a club ‘BIG’.
Silverware?
Silverware is no doubt a very important and meaningful statistic in football, but does it really decide which club is bigger than the other? I personally think no. If silverware (including historic success) decided the size of a club, then surely Leicester City would be considered bigger than numerous clubs in football today? From what I see fans across the globe use their title success (not taking away from the fact it was mission impossible) to back up their opinion on silverware making the size of a club better than any other. It is also mentioned fairly frequently that clubs such a Liverpool and Arsenal are no longer ‘big’ because, well, “what have they won in the past 10-15 years. So to put it plain and simple, no. I do not think silverware defines a ‘big club’.

The Players?
For sure, some clubs around Europe have some of the biggest and most popular talents in world football, but do the players on the pitch really define a club’s size? We see them come and go, whether they play for the shirt or for their prima donna egos. I certainly think that no player is bigger than any club and they do certainly not make a club’s size differ depending on their popularity and talent. One player who certainly fits the bill in that description is Tottenham Hostpur midifielder Moussa Sissoko. Last season, the Frenchman was undeniably a large factor into Newcastle’s fall down to the Championship. His performances on the pitch did not fill the Toon Faithful with joy and excitement, but more disappointment and anger, however it was his antics off the field that angered the fan base, as in many interviews over the Summer during the transfer window, he expressed his desire to leave Tyneside in search of Premier League & Champions League football.
Despite having that ‘rotten attitude’ he has been known to have over the past few years, he finally managed to seal a move to fit his profound qualities in Tottenham, although it is safe to say that his time in North London has not been as he thought. The midfielder has consistently been benched by Pochettino and has not particularly impressed when given a chance. Not only that, but since his departure, Newcastle have finally rewarded their loyal fans with what they deserve, in a young, hungry and passionate squad, which is no doubt leading them back to the Premier League; and remember, “It’s not about the name on the back of the shirt, but more the badge on the front.”

The Fans?
Finally, the fans. One category that seems to go under the radar is the backing of the fans for the club they love. Personally, I believe that what makes a club ‘big’ is the fans themselves. The reason for this is that, without the fans, the club is nothing. The fans ARE the club. Once, a great in the name of Sir Bobby Robson was once quoted on what a club truly is. It spoke volumes on how much the fans give to the club without the credibility most of them deserve. They stick with their side through thick and thin, through the biting cold of the winter and the sweltering heat in the Summer.
The fans are the ones who pay to go through the turnstiles and support their team no matter the results, they are the ones who pay for shirts, mugs etc to fund the club. Their wages, provide for new players to come and for others to leave. A club without any fans would not be anything, and what would be the purpose of that club then? Nothing. It may as well not exist. As stated before, players come and go, as do managers, but the fans stick by that club through everything and that is what makes a football club great. The fans. The size of the fan base, the better, and the size of the fan base, the bigger the club itself in my personal opinion.

So yes, to summarise I believe that it is the fans themselves that make a ‘big club’. As without them, the club would be nothing.




culled from the internet

So in summary Real Madrid is not bigger than Manchester united. No credible football site or daily has termed Madrid as bigger than United.

donjazet:
I don't know who keeps comparing Chelsea with Aston Villa
Chelsea's trophy cabinet far out numbers theirs. Are you using only the EPL trophy to judge? How about fa cup, carling cup and champions league.
What kind of analogy are you using sef

oga Villa has more EPL than Chelsea and equal number of UCL, even they have more world titles than Chelsea, hence more successful, after all your fellow shekpe fan said one gold in Olympics is more than 20 bronze medals. After Villa you have Nothingham Forest to overtake before coming for the big boys Liverpool and United.