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Nezzel:
Its really cute how you avoided my questions. I got it from your earlier post that EL is not a real title. Fine.
Dortmund finished third behind new comers liepzig. Their main objective this season is to mount a meaningful challenge for the league tittle this season and not chase automatic CL qualification with Hoffeinham. But I digress.
You said that Mourinho will never win anything while parading mediocre midfielders. I know you hate Herrera, pogba too?
What will happen if Mourinho finally win the league and/or CL with Herrera and Pogba in the midfield? Because according to you, they are not Poole, Harrop and Van Damme.
Read and understand the questions b4 u answer. I never mentioned EL but u banked on it to make ur point... Which is no point really.

Ignore that guy he usually talks trash. Are you really arguing with someone who said that Eric Dier was converted from a DM to a CB?

Diademk07:
I keep wondering why some people often choose to leave out some truth.

What midfield are you talking about? Dier who's been converted into a CB for Spurs? Was he good enough to have been converted into a CB? And a certain Alli who's a SS/attacking midfielder? Abeg! The reality on ground is the fact that our midfield was dominated by Ajax u23 team.

Dier was converted from a RB/CB to a defensive midfielder. Get your facts correct before arguing

TopWinner:
Tbh, we need a good DM next season. Pogba had that much freedom to roam yesterday because he had N'golo Kante behind him doing all the dirty work.

That's what we have been saying, get a cover to free Pogba and Herrera, get a sharp winger with pace and bags of tricks to disorganize the opposition, then a striker who can finish the plethora of chances created by Pogba and other midfielders, together with lindelof at the back, there is no way we won't challenge for the title.

August 12 - West Ham United (H)

August 19 - Swansea City (A)

August 26 - Leicester City (H)

September 9 - Stoke City (A)

September 16 - Everton (H)

September 23 - Southampton (A)

September 30 - Crystal Palace (H)

October 14 - Liverpool (A)

October 21 - Huddersfield Town (A)

October 28 - Tottenham Hotspur (H)

November 4 - Chelsea (A)

November 18 - Newcastle United (H)

November 25 - Brighton and Hove Albion (H)

November 28 - Watford (A)

December 2 - Arsenal (A)

December 9 - Manchester City (H)

December 12 - Bournemouth (H)

December 16 - West Bromwich Albion (A)

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December 26 - Burnley (H)

December 30 - Southampton (H)

January 1 - Everton (A)

January 13 - Stoke City (H)

January 20 - Burnley (A)

January 31 - Tottenham Hotspur (A)

February 3 - Huddersfield Town (H)

February 10 - Newcastle United (A)

February 24 - Chelsea (H)

March 3 - Crystal Palace (A)

March 10 - Liverpool (H)

March 17 - West Ham United (A)

March 31 - Swansea City (H)

April 7 - Manchester City (A)

April 14 - West Bromwich Albion (H)

April 21 - Bournemouth (A)

April 28 - Arsenal (H)

May 5 - Brighton and Hove Albion (A)

TopWinner:
Guys, who saw Pogba last night? Mans was in the f...... mood!

Nobody will talk about it, everybody is very silent now. He bossed that overrated English midfield of Alli and Dier. People keep talking about 89m pounds as if football is quantity surveying. Give the guy some credit, rival fans revel in criticizing him to bring down his moral, hence his performance. It's sad most United fans join them.

Next season we need a strong defensive midfielder behind Pogba and Herrera.

bigkesh:
Southampton, Lyon,[/b]Arsenal,Inter,Dortmund,PSG[b]......What's wrong in signing the best players from these teams

Chelsea is not bigger than these teams

hensben:
what will you now term rio ferdnand signing who moved from Leeds to manure for 30m£? Veron 23m£....Over sabi and sentimental being like you.

Let me continue trashing your lack of facts again.
Veron was 26 when he moved to United and have already played in both the world cup and champions league with Argentina and Lazio respectively, and was Argentine captain.
Rio was the undisputed best defender in Britain at that time and have also played world cup as a starter, reaching both UEFA cup and champions league semifinals with Leeds.

Lampard only starts at westham because his uncle Harry redknapp was the manager. At that time he only get games at england u-21.so your comparisons are way off

AdisaOwala:
As at that time, the squad was heavily depleted with injuries & LVG had no one to run to...hence the "emergency promotion" of Rashford.

No?

Abeg tell am, and that was even in the Europa against part timers mitdjiland, he scored two goals there added another two against arsenal 3 days later, scored knocked out westham in the FA cup a week later. Even a blind man will promote any body that emerge like that. Even mourinho who is criticized for not giving youngsters chance, promoted names like David Santon, Casemeiro, Moratta, Callejon, Nacho and Balloteli.

Diademk07:
Herrera played as CM under Mourinho na and was still rubbish in that role like he was under Mourinho. The truth is the only way Herrera can become relevant is by playing as a DM for a below 6th-placed team which is what we were last season and Bilbao's constant position. He's not meant for a top team. He may have been our best player last season but he's simply not one of the best DM nor CM out there, so what are we saying?

As for Modric, he was not only used wrongly by Mourinho at Madrid. His best position has always been in the central midfield but because [/b]Mourinho wanted a more defensively solid player in the attacking midfield, Modric was used in the said role.[b]

That's quite different from Herrera.

I think you don't just like the dude Herrera.

For the bolded, mourinho used Ozil as the attacking midfielder, so how is Ozil more defensive than Modric? May be if your are a manager Ozil could rival Ramos or Pepe for the CB position.
Modric at that time is a bench warmer. Khedira, Alonso and Ozil start for mourinho, it was Ancelloti that sold "lazy" and non-defensive Ozil and installed Modric.

Like I said I don't want to enter this long argument, it's a no brainier

Diademk07:
And we didn't play counter attacking football? Our win against Chelsea was a full flowing possession based football from our end, right? Clap for yourself.

And you should be thanking Van gaal for promoting Rashford because if he hadn't, Mourinho would have been saddled with the same immobile ageing Rooney that played as the striker for 2/3 of Van gaal regime before Rashford emerged.

I don't have time for this your argument I am talking about Kante in Chelsea and Leicester team.
Rashford is a good player so will eventually emerge one day with or without van gaal

PietroRico:
yea, he needs to and will improve. There was a point in the season where he switched off due to burn out. I believe he even had to fake that his last injury to get some much needed rest.
A rest that was prolonged by the unfortunate incident that happened to his father.
We all saw how he came back in the last games of the season.

This is probably even his first real pre season for quite some time now.

But you can't help but feel Pogba will never be rated objectively, not when they keep throwing that transfer fee into the equation, consciously or unconsciously.

We will keep hearing statements that sound like, he did well but not 89m well.
It is normal to expect talks like this from rival fans, but when they begin to come from our own fans, it becomes really funny.

Give this guy one crate of Heineken. Most United fans need not join those sub standard elements in the opponents camp to slay our fans who are trying to settle.

hensben:
How can Lampard be a laughing stock when he was just signed for 11mil£ huh. Siniza you see hey I comment on your players.

Olodo 11 million in 2002 , it was a record then for someone of his age then.

Diademk07:
The point is Herrera's neither here or there!

Is a good box-box hustler? No, he lacks the intensity to operate as one. In fact, I've often noticed a major difference in the way Kante runs all over the pitch and keep up the intensity in the midfield whereas Herrera is a bit subdued in the same role. He would either stay as a marker to a particular opposition player or would just stay back to place himself in better position for interception. Looking at the way he operates, that should make him good for the holding midfielder which he mostly played last season but is he one of the best holding midfielder out there? The answer is still no! Because his ability to build up play and contribute in the control of the midfield is zero!

Hence, I would say he was decent-good for us last season but I would prefer having a better player in the same position for us. If we are to attain a worldclass position, Herrera should only be a squad player!

Tomorrow when he starts putting in excellent performances like Bailly, and you point it out Chelsea fans hailing you now,will dig up your post to mock you. Modric was a bench warmer in his first season at Madrid because he was competing with Ozil in the attacking midfield position, the following season Ancelloti moved him to proper central midfield behind Khedira and he excelled immediately, boom champions league they won, last week they added a third in 4 seasons while Ozil is chilling with 3 FA Cups in the same number of seasons. Herrera is a central midfielder not a defensive midfielder, he only played there because nobody in united could do the job more than him, 25m schnerderlien flopped. That is why we need a tactically stable DM like Fabinho to allow Herrera roam around influencing play the way he should. He can't be participate fully in build up play and midfield control when he is paying close attention to opposition dangermen sniffing them out and shielding our injury-ravaged/make-shift defence.
Modric can afford to, there is Casemeiro. Ramsey schooled Kante and matic in the F A Cup final cos Xhaka covered him. Silva can roam and influence play because he has Fernandino, Busquets was the foot soldier when iniesta and xavi dominated the world in both Barcelona and Spain. Herrera doesn't have that luxury. Get him a Good cover and judge him afterwards.

Although Herrera needs to improve? He is not a squad player, not after this seasons performance

PietroRico:
so we are all supposed to ignore the fact that his teammates, ibramismovic in particular kept letting him down repeatedly by spurning chance after chance, he created

that is another issue, he even won a penalty against Bournemouth, ibro passed it to the keeper. Although generally he needs to improve and that he will surely do.

bigkesh:
So you agree we finished 10th because of Portuguese Christian Chukwu

You didn't finish tenth last season with any Portuguese. The last time I checked Guus Hiddink is a Dutch.

AdisaOwala:
I withdraw my previous response to you bro - Let's shake hands.

Despite the different and atimes bizzare opinions you would get to read here from time to time (CC: Diademk07 & Nyabinghi ), I think virtually al of us here have genuine love for the club.

GGMU !

I don't have any hard feelings, no matter the provocation, except if another club fan comes here to talk their usual hate. Moreover nobody is praising Pogba have you seen me do that? I have been his critic right from day one, Check all my points even today I still did not, I only pointed out to that hollow Chelsea fan, hard fact he needs to know. Praising Kante while denigrating our players (Pogba and Herrera) by opposition fans publiclyshould not be tolerated, as it dampens our players confidence while giving opposition players huge moral. Lampard was a laughing stock when he joined Chelsea, De Gea was an error prone, yet talented youngster when he joined we know what happened after that. In 2003 when Beckham joined Madrid, we almost signed Ronaldinho, suddenly he went to Barcelona and snubbed us, most Arsenal fans in my area then(Chelsea dint have their sugar daddy then) were laughing at me then saying we are screwed, British media was awash with how we were snubbed.what did Ferguson did? He signed a certain skinny Portuguese teenager who was all bags of tricks without end product, we know how it ended up. If Degea, like Ronaldo, like the class of 92 whom our fans backed during their early years, not only Pogba but together Rashford and Martial will all come good and rule Europe.mark my words.

You are welcomed Sir

hensben:
Hazard is too good so it is possible even if Christian chukwu is his coach.

Why don't you employ him at Chelsea and see if, you won't finish 10th like last season.

AdisaOwala:
Shùt that faecal cavity beneath your nostrils....You miserable, shallow-minded imp!!

I normally woulda ignored this kinda mòronic submission synonymous with deluded charlatans from your ilk but since you have decided to disgrace your entire lineage on a public forum , I would have no other choice but to "help you out".

For starters - I find it hilarious (albeit shockingly ìdiotic) that you were so quick to conclude that i am a chelsea fan. Why ain't I really surprised though?? The incoherent & irrelevant jargons you posted up there speaks volumes of how fùcked up your thought process (and most definitely.....your life as a whole) is!! FYI, I became a Man Utd fan long before the internet (and indeed, technology) became accessible to fucktever crevice you crawled out from.


It is an open secret that Pogba has struggled this season (especially against top sides) but ofcourse,all in a bid to satisfy your homoerotic fantasies for the Frenchman , a flaming gay like yourself would readily brandish discrete/ isolated scenarios as a sort of defense for the shortcomings of your dabbing god.

There's no need going-back & forth with a cretinous fucķtard like you - like a malignant cancerous growth, Pogba's balls seem to be firmly embedded in that deluded brain of yours.......all but ending your fading hopes of participating in any meaningful/tangible discussion.


Now get lost, you unfortunate waste-of-space!!

Like I said I didn't know You are a united fan, moreover I addressed your point properly. Well I am sorry If that may have offended you.

On the other hand attacking my points would have been proper, you didn't refute it, you started boasting and throwing insults even after I have registered my apologies, which I am not entitled to give. Well well well ...... let's just let it slide it's okay.

hensben:
Now ask yourself Herrera and Oscar are they defensive players? Is mou helping their career by asking them to chase opponent round the field instead of their natural skill on the ball, that is creativity and shooting respectively? Coaches play to players strength, to improve their skills but mou uses players exhaustively for his ego, he uses players like tissue papers.[/b] Do you think your wingers are now so bad that known can register 15 goals this past season?[b] His coward/defensive football is responsible for that. Have you notice pogba style of play is declining gradually.
http://www.espnfc.com/chelsea/story/2761206/playing-for-jose-mourinho-very-exhausting-demba-ba

Eden hazard scored 17 goals in 2013/14 season, and scored 19 goals in 2015/16 seasons. So where is Hazard playing ? As a goalkeeper? Who was Chelsea manager in those seasons mentioned above? I think it's Samson Siasia

sinizia:
I'm disappointed with the way you reason. So Mourinho converting Hererra into a more defensive stalwart means he's exhausting him? Are you saying this because you don't like the coach or because you want to win the Kante-Hererra argument? Did Hererra come complaining to you that he's exhausted by Mourinho's method of training? When

If Mourinho didn't help Hererra's career, how come when Gaal was helping his career nobody gave a fùck about him? But Mourinho surfaces and destroys his career and pundits are screaming his praises? And Barca are suddenly interested in this player with a spoilt career?

Don't mind the guy, I don't engage in arguments with Chelsea fans, most of them are touts, illiterates and unintelligent fellows, just that I didn't go to work today, so I have time. He keep talking nonsense, when you correct him he throws up more useless nonsense

hensben:
Why did Chelsea that finish 10th previous season became champions? So fa are stupid to award Kante, a NON TECHNICAL player best in the league huh.

Like Leicester Chelsea downed tools, because of the female doctor. Hope you are learning?
Theodoros Zagorakis was the best player of Euro 2004, after he retired Greece did not qualify for the next tournament. Mahrez was the player of the season last year, is he better than Hazard?

sinizia:
Lol. I think he's a staunch United fan but one that's realist and wont let his club loyalty stand in the way of his perceived truth.

I am sorry if I may have wrongly entered a UNITED fan, but asking me how Pogba fared against xhaka, Fernandino and Henderson is ala Chelsea fans considering the circumstances in those matches and even Xhaka did not even square up against Pogba. I am only interested in those useless Chelsea fans who come here to do spit nonsense

hensben:
Why were they struggling when Kante left? Why didn't fa give Herrera player of the year for marking hazard out in one game? Like hazard never disgrace the Herrera before by sending him off for reckless tackle on him

This Guy sef, Leicester players downed tools ala Chelsea in 2015/2016, immediately Ranieri left, their form improved tremendously and mysteriously too. Ndidi may not be as good as Kante, but he is doing a yeoman's Job, and he only arrived January

hensben:
Yeah he won manure player of the year by chasing players round field.[/b] Willian won our player of the year last season so?[b] Why was Herrera not effective under van gaal style? You think herrera can lift epl with Leicester.. so manure play ball possession football under mou abi while Kante only excel in counter attack team. Clap for yourself.

Player of the season in a team that finished 10th and went trophiless, just like Troy Deeney is Watford player of the season. Herrera is the player of the season in a team that qualified for champions league and won 3 trophies

hensben:
no fact there. Rubish is all I see in your comment.

Why not highlight the rubbish

hensben:
Yeah he won manure player of the year by chasing players round field. Willian won our player of the year last season so? Why was Herrera not effective under van gaal style? You think herrera can lift epl with Leicester.. so manure play ball possession football under mou abi while Kante only excel in counter attack team. Clap for yourself.

If chasing players around like headless chicken means to neutralize opponent's best player and scoring as well as assist. Then we need more headless chickens in our team.

If Danny Drinkwater can lift EPL with Leicester, Herrera can lift champions league with them, The season Leicester won EPL, as outstanding as Kante may be, Mahrez and Vardy were the best players, so don't take it as if kante handed Leicester the league on his own. That same team plus Ndidi, humbled Sevilla and gave Athletico a run for their money.
If van gaal is so good a manager why don't you employ him at Chelsea

elampiro2:
You mean CapitalCee, abeg leave him alone. He is a quality addition to this thread. For sometime now, we have not had people like him.

Ignore that bloody Chelsea fan, trash him with clear facts, he will change goal post, he should tell me what I have said that is not true. But everything he said here have been fallacies which I promptly addressed.

hensben:
Manure fan in Nigeria are known to be sentimental and lack football knowledge.

shifting ground, after being trashed with facts

hensben:
Wht didn't you mention the 4-0 were Kante scored? He scored the winning goal against manure in fa cup. Why not just say Kante is 26 or rather why didn't you use same word "approaching" for pogba since he's already 24? So many whys.. I can also say madrid wanted Kante but he chose to come to Chelsea. Herrera silenced hazard? Wow what a fit by Herrera.. Hope you know how many individual award Kante swoop this season.. so because mou dey use Herrera like slave for midfield like the way him use Oscar for Chelsea you think he's best thing after sliced bread, are you even aware mou is destroying that guy's talent...Herrera is so good technically as you claimed yer van gaal was benching him..go sit don Abeg.

A week before that Chelsea match, relegation-threatened Watford trashed us 3-1. you and I know that at that time United was rubbish and most of our players are trying to bed in. For the FA cup match, even Pascal Cygan will score against a team playing away, one man down, less than 48hrs after playing in a terrible pitch and travelled to and fro 6000 miles Russia, and missing several key players not mentioning the fixture pile up, saying it's a Pyrrhic victory is being kind to Chelsea, cos a superior team would have massacred us that day.

You said it's 25 approaching 26, when I proved you wrong with facts, you are holding unto straws about my choice if word.

And ofcourse Herrera silenced Hazard, or are you disputing that? He so much neutralized him that Chelsea did not even muster any shot on target, while on that he scored and assisted. Kante and matic were totally subdued in midfield by Pogba, allowing babies like Lingard and Rashford to toy with Luiz and Cahill.

I have told you why kante was so effective in both Leicester and Chelsea team, counter attack!!! hence his awards, well am happy for him.

Mourinho killing Herrera? By turning him from a bench warmer to player of the season,?!! Mourinho should please kill more talents at United, his talent-killing technique must be doing some magic.

Lol van gaal was good and he was shown the door. So many good players like Felliani, Schweinsteiger,depay, schnerderlien and the dross he wasted millions on, benching Herrera and hardly getting any shot on target for all our matches. My friend go and upgrade your football knowledge

AdisaOwala:
And when Pogba played against "world-class" Midfielders like Henderson, Xhaka, Fernandihno etc.. how did he fare?

Keep quiet this Chelsea fans, you guys are known to lack basic football knowledge, I have them here in my area, I don't discuss football with them because they are usually hollow and not intelligent.

At Liverpool,Henderson was there, when Pogba created the only clear chance of the match which ibrahimovic spurned. Henderson did not play at old Trafford.

Xhaka did not start at old Trafford, Pogba did not start at Emirates as he was mourning his dad.

At old Trafford mikhi(he came back with a knock while representing Armenia) and Lingard our two Widemen were awful while that was the last significant match Rooney started for us, as he was very terrible together with Felliani, even Zidane in his prime will struggle. Pogba was suspended for the return leg.

Get your facts well before coming online to disgrace yourself

hensben:
Lol. What a bias view; far far better? technical player like Herrera? While pogba is 24 Kante is APPROACHING 27? 25 going to 26 is now approaching 27 while pogba will remain 24 forever as robot him be. Lol go sit don Abeg.

Chelsea fans, mhmm!!! Give me sit to sit na. Kante was born on the 29th of March 1991. 2017-1991=26. So he has already celebrated his 26th birthday, so where did you get the 25 approaching 26? I have seen that maths is your Achilles heel.
Herrera is a technical player this man, that is why Barcelona are after him, During our FA cup match with Chelsea, Herrera was already bossing the Midfield creating spaces for Rashford and mkhitaryan before that stupid red card in the 35 minutes, before then Kante was nowhere to be found. the game ended 1-0 despite playing almost all the match one man down and coming back from a very far Russia less than 48hrs prior, played in a very terrible pitch and having so many players out due to injuries. When you guys come to old Trafford, Herrera silenced Hazard completely assisted and scored a goal. Where was Kante? Just check all the important matches that United played this season Herrera was the MOTM in all. Europa final, away to Liverpool, home to Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea etc. I can't swap Herrera with any central midfielder in the premier league, quote me anywhere.

sinizia:
Lol. It's usually lack of success that makes those cunning Spanish fuckěrs to utter such nonsense. DDG comes to mind. If we're doing great for the past few seasons, we wouldn't have been worried about those Madrid vultures breathing down our necks. I mean even Hazard who said he wanted to stay at Chelshit and be revered like Terry did a u-turn and said he'll consider Madrid's offer. These bîtches masquerading as players ain't loyal. People like Totti and Co are of rare breeds. Hard to find.

If degea want to go he should go. United wanted to even sell him until our asking price put Madrid off, if he talks nonsense or shows anymore lack of commitment, mourinho should bench him and play Romero . has 4 more years in his contact and we are bigger and richer than Madrid so we can afford to dump him on the bench, lose his transfer fee and will not blink. He should be aware that he is not dealing with Moyes or van gaal, this mourinho that ended the careers of legends like casillas and Ashely Cole, benched Pepe with small varane. When he came newly, he Keeps committing expensive errors that cost us the league title that year, the fans and management that just enjoyed the services of the great Van der SAR, were putting up with his calamitous goalkeeping praying and hoping he comes good, now he is world-class and suddenly his girlfriend doesn't like Manchester whether, his mother wants him home, he missed Spanish diet, he doesn't like English TV stations and bla bla bla. I trust mourinho, once he discovers any nonchalant attitude, Romero will take over, let see if he will stay in bench for 4 years.