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engrelvis:
Honestly I don't really understand this issue of us being patient when good money was paid for them( young players).Most times if u watch a new buy plays for first time or more u can easily assess.Mazaroui/Bruno are typical examples.Telling me players like Mainoo ,Gnarcho even Dorgu r all going to turn prime Modric ,Ronaldo n Roberto Carlos is never going to happen.These r average players n to b brutally honest we r wasting money on dem.

At 23 Modric was still playing for Dynamo Zagreb, at 21 he was still playing for inter Zapresic, At 20 Palmerias sent Roberto Carlos on loan to Athletico Miniero. Harry Kane at 20/21 was at loan at Norwich and Leicester. Infact at Spurs at 22 Kane scored 4 goals in 19 games. If you want to win the league stop signing kids, go and sign experience players. That's the reason why Bellingham and Haaland agents refused to sell them to Manchester United, because they will used content and impatient kill their career before it even started

afrodoc2:
You make good points. Our fans are too impatient and often times illogical.

Honestly that's why I am just praying we don't buy players like Delap Honestly. When Bayern lost Lewandowski, They went straight for 30 year old Kane for 100m. Osihmen/Gyokeres is available now for 60m and we are dilly dallying.
Our problem is clearly decision making in the final 3rd 2 quality signings in that area plus Amad will be a lot of difference.

ChristineC:
if Amorim really has Osihmen on his shortlisted candidates for a striker, then the club better goes out and sign Osihmen.
INEOS can ditch Rashford, Hojlund, Sancho and Antony fairly easy in the summer as things stand.
I think that will be fair assumption.
there are a few sensible attacking wingers to bolster the squad and still keep overall spending fairly low.

We need to urgently go for either Gyokeres or Osihmen, we also need Cuhna or another proven AM we could have gone for Kvara but he is in PSG now. All these Delap and Dibling I am hearing, you will bring them now, they will start adapting, then I'diotic fans will be expecting them to win the league.
A world class striker and A competent AM will massively improve the team

afrodoc2:
I get your point about the unwarranted attacks but it is not a given that he will improve. Some players are who they are and will never improve significantly.

For him to improve on his technical deficiencies he has to start working hard at it now. He is still young, so it is possible but let's not just assume that it will definitely happen.

Thank you, ofcourse I am not saying it will definitely happen, when by this time next year, he has not improved then we can begin attacking him. If you watch Yoro yesterday, you will see that he has massively improved from how he was when he started, he is adapting gradually into a new league and system. Even Dorgu himself after the Sociedad game admitted that he recognised that he needs to work on his finishing and Decision making in the final third, given his role in the team, so he is putting in extra work for that. Moreover he is moving from a new league at a young age.
Part of his learning curve is not throwing him under the bus, but coaching him well and protecting him away from the spotlight. These are some of the reasons Fergie banned journalists during his time, putting enormous pressure on youngsters. If you criticise even harshly Mazraoui or De ligt that's different given their experience. But a youngster coming into a new league into a big club and he wasn't even as terrible as these agendists are making it look like.
While we don't overhype youngsters, it's also very important we don't heap too much psychological burden on them.

patrickmuf:
Senior men, make una calm down. I think both of you acknowledge that the lad needs to improve certain aspects of his game, which is fine. CapitalCe is only trying to reduce the expectation on the lad so he doesn't crumble under pressure. You both are right, so it's needless to engage in these shows of shame...

Make una shake hands...

Who you de call senior man, God forbid bad thing, More like a man child. You bought a 20 year old Left back from Lecce a club doomed for relegation, in a slow league like seria A. And you expect him to play like Mbappe up front, the guy is not a senior man, his football knowledge is like that of a kid. A player that has not even played up to 10 games in a new league, you are already jumping and talking trash.h about him just because he misplaced few shots and passes. Was it not the same guy that literally dismantled Real Sociedad? Didn't we see him against Portugal? Low brains like him would have trashed all the class of 92 because he can't tolerate their acclimatisation.

All the defence i get is Lewis Skelly, a player that constantly cost Arsenal games given his experience and age. I have started blocking low brained guys like this that trash talk youngsters on twitter.
Madrid bought Guler and Endrick, how many times do you see them start games let alone high profile games. But you got a 20 year old relegation battler and expect him to lead you to title. When Fergie bought Nani and Anderson in 2007, how many games did they play for the next 3 years? Person wey no sabi anything for football you de call am senior man, because he is slandering teenagers.

Jamiuokolaa:
You are the one shamelessly wanking with hard -ons to a player who is clearly rough around the edges and urgently needs polishing and it tells a lot about your taste.

I dont care about Evra, Sancho,Skelly and those irrelevant and illogical examples you gave because I really don't see how it would address the issues at hand.

Dorgu, while showing some signs of promise, needs to urgently address some basic footballing issues if we are to reap the full benefits of his signature fast enough

You must be blind, you need to show me where I said he doesnt need improvement. You must be dumb to come here to cry and whine, thinking that a LB from Lecce will URGENTLY make Man United to be Title contenders. If you can’t relax and watch him naturally progress his career, you then need to buy a FM game and simulate it there.

Jamiuokolaa:
If we need to sign a proven goalscorers a nd creative midfielders before Dorgu improves his touch, passing and other basic areas in which a professional footballer shouldnt be found wanting, then his situation is worse than initially projected.

We are seeing basic gaps in a professional footballer with senior international caps, you are here playing some age-card. The same excuses that probably prevented Rashford from achieving his full potential and the same excuse that would most likely ruin Garnacho if care is not taken.



I dont care about those players because they don't play for Manchester united.

Dorgu is a first teamer bought to address a pressing issue with the team.

While he has shown promising signs, there are glaring gaps that need to be addressed urgently, if we are to reap the benefits of his signature fast enough.

Yeah. maybe the coach need to give you a contract to enter the pitch and use your own fine touches and technical abilities to win matches, just because he misplaced few passes and shots in the first half, suddenly you are here whining like a cry baby. Didnt he create chances in the second half? Including our best chances which a more clinical striker would have buried? Like I maintained, he is playing very well, and added a lot of bite to our set up and play, if you cant see that, then I cant help you.
No single player doesn’t have a gap expecially when he is still young. If you have started watching football during the early days of Class of 92, you would have been crying like now that all of them should be binned immediately for urgent benefits. Evra was gotten Jan 2006, he struggled for many months and improved eventually on a lot of things to be an absolute world class player he later turned out, leading to a league title in 2007. Even at that he wasnt really instrumental to that league win.
If they sell the guy now for example and he started doing well ,you will be the same person coming here to cry that why was he sold? Someone here is mentioning Lewis Skelly to me, na so most people here keep disturbing us with Sancho when he was at Dortmund, we were warning that the guy is a bum, until he came here and flopped. So you can continue your harsh criticism but for me Patrick Dorgu is doing well, when he starts playing nonsense it will be clear

Jamiuokolaa:
Bro, no need to sugar coat this matter..

Dorgu has gaps that need to be sorted out urgently if we are to become a serious team like you have said.

For a first team player that was bought to solve an immediate problem on the flanks, Issues that Border around "Touch" aren't the kind that would need us to wait for 2 years..hoping he turns out like Evra

No serious team heap their hope on a 20 year old left back. When you sign a proven goalscorer and at least 2 creative midfielders, who can put a game to bed, you will be less concerned about what Dorgu does.
If the club want to solve the wing issues immediately they would ve gone for Nuno Mendes, Frimpong or De marco. For now Dorgu is doing up to EXPECTATIONS. You guys should temper your expectations and allow him to flourish.

Jamiuokolaa:
I thought I was the only one who saw this..

Nothing spectacular but he has been decent and efficient in the last few weeks

Same thing with casemiro who now seems to be ahead of Ugarte

But that one said we should write off Dorgu immediately

patrickmuf:
Fixed...Do you have another person in mind when you reply to some post?

Thanks for the correction bro.
The guy just the yarn rubbish since. A 20 year old player, playing LB for Lecce in a slow Seria A, came in and is bombing up and down the flank the way he does and finding himself in good positions, and has been defensively solid, But because he did not score or assist in a Manchester derby, automatically he is shit. Eventually his shooting and touches will get better, even he himself admitted that and promised to work on it. If our frontline were clinical enough, we will not expect Dorgu to score or assist, moreover wasn’t he the one that set up our best chance in the second half?

Fans like this are a huge part of the problem, they pile enormous pressure on young players analysing every touch they made, and criticising blindly and harshly, and it affects them psychologically, they then give up making it at the club, and they are sold to another club where they suddenly start doing well, the same person will start blaming the club for selling that player.

afrodoc2:
Attacking him blindly and defending him blindly will both no help him.

He has some good qualities but really needs to improve on his touch above everything else. An improved touch will automatically improve his driving with the ball and his passing.

I am not saying he is a finished product. My point is he is still young and is coming into a new league, his position was LB at Lecce, is he expected to be scoring and assisting like prime Mbappe? He will improve eventually. It's obvious that he will improve, No where have I priased him excessively or blindly. But when someone just attack every of his moves it reeks of agenda

Leyqute:
Get your facts right. I’m not commending Dorgu for his poor final balls. I’m stating that he’s got the lungs and ability to be in the right positions at the right time. This may look easy but Dalot and Mazdaoui have struggled seriously with that position, especially the physical aspect .

While you neglect that and toss the word “disasterclass” along with his name every time he crosses your screen, I see a kid who needs some final polishing.

The ball is still in his court. Only him can redeem himself.

Reedeem what? The boy was playing LB for Lecce in Italy, you expect him to score and assist like Salah and Bruno?
So what exactly is he redeeming himself for ? From waht i have seen so far, he is doing credibly well, the energy and commitment are there, just like you correctly said.he is still very very young and he will come good with the right training. Ignore that guy with agenda

Mrviktor:
Did dey tie our hands to be buying expensive rubbish.

Y'all are talking lik he cost 5 million.

30 million for excuses

No, you for go carry am for free na no be only 5m. And moreover he was gotten for €25m. Stop lying to push your agenda. If you can not relax and watch the guy settle in, then you cant be helped. You are not even bashing him for not being defensively solid rather you are criticising him for not scoring in a Manchester derby. A left Back? Have you seen how rubbish this your take is?

Mrviktor:
How old is mile skelly ?

Which Myles Skelly? Abeg pack one side biko, the One that had 3 red cards already and drew a penalty yesterday?
Didnt you watch the Soceidad game home and away? Which game has Myles skelly won for Arsenal? He played versus Albania for England and scored and everybody de shout, you no watch Dorgu versus Portugal? Na so una go just de compare nonsense.
You think playing for Arsenal and Man United now is the same thing?

Leyqute:
Omo. Yoro has been a delight.

After the Southamtom game people said he is a flop

Jamiuokolaa:
While I agree with you that the boy needs some time (heck, we saw all these things before buying him), it would become "excuses" if we clamour for signings to solve immediate problems, only for us to have to be "explaining" shortcomings of these same players.

May we not have to "explain"...Amen

If you go and buy Delap instead of Osimhen or Gyokeres there will be “excuses”.
Do you see me making excuses for Dalot?
If you trash talk Yoro for example it will be hash, but if its Deligt or Maz then it’s justified because Yoro is not supposed to be relied on as a dependable player

Lana1:
I expect to see a new look front line next season

Exactly , nit relying on Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho.

That’s why i dont want Delap, Osimhen or Gyokeres for me. Then Trincao or Cunha. Then all these young players will gradually develop

Leyqute:
He’s better than most matches but he’s not there yet. Could’ve shot with that first chance instead of causing a freekick. Like the majority of our forwards, he lacks intensity and a good finishing.

You are correct, he still has a lot of time to learn, at his age he should not be starting in a tough match like this. Ronaldo at Garnachos age scored just 6 goals or so in Fergies quality team. Not everyone will kick on at a yooung age.

Jamiuokolaa:
Hopefully, we wouldn't have to be giving these kinda excuses for other new signings we are desperately craving for

Na you the call am excuses, if you buy a 20 year old WB/FB, you know what to expect. I will not be having those excuses for Mazraoui and Deligt. Tell me I single LB in history who was world class at 20. Guy i appeal calm down. This guy is coming from slow italian league at a very young age, he will frustrate you, this is not FIFA

And for me Garnacho is playing well in this game, I dont know what we want him to do? Or should he be playing like Mbappe?

And no one is talking about the PK that we should have had or it will not align with certain agendas?

We can see that this is not Amorim issue, even his Sporting CP front 3 of Gyokeres, Trincao and Pote are miles ahead of ours.

Mrviktor:
U watch dorgu disaster class week in week out and commend him..

Imagine it was dalot dropping this bangers back to back

Una for don kill am

Dorgu is 20, Dalot is 26 played in 2Euros and World Cup for a country like Portugal. Go and watch Evra for the first 2 years at Man United. Una no de ever learn. If we had a better front three and we are leading now, you wont be relying on Dorgu to score for you.

Leyqute:
Abi

I don’t think anyone in the squad can play WB the way Dorgu is playing it sef. The guy is an athlete. Still rough around the edges and needs some polishing with his attacking moves tho.

No be here we dey? United fans wey I know. They will use trash talk break the guy down psychologically, then we send him on loan, he will suddenly start doing well. Go and check Rodrygo and Vini Jr record in the last like 20 or so games. But i dont see Madrid fans trash talking them.

Just like Amorim said about former players doing well, to be a man united player is a different kettle of fish

The team is playing well, but decision in the final third is poor. But make we calm down with all these Dorgu slandering, its too early.

Mrviktor:
We struggle against low block.

Zero creativity

If this was arsenal dem go use tap tap kill dem..

I don't know why we are always in a hurry to play rubbish crosses into the box

Arsenal were toothless the last time they played Forest, Every top team have struggled against Forest.

afrodoc2:
Hahaha.

I already suspected they would not get it done.

The coach should have kept Mantato up front at RWF and left Kukonki at LB.

Mantato was shaky when moved to LB and Lusale was poor at RWF. Mantato at RWF running at a tiring defence was potentially our best weapon.

The coach messed up the line up

afrodoc2:
We have to score cos I am not sure we can win a shootout.

Yeah honestly time is running out

These Villa players seems to be older oo

afrodoc2:
It was a mistake to move Mantato to LB in this game.

Yeah it seems everyone struggles at that position apart from Amass

Baldg:
Thwaites has impressed so far since coming on.

For me Thwaites and Tyler Fletcher are the best combination

afrodoc2:
Obi's selfishness na Olympic grade.
Devaney out. Coach gave himself brain.

Since Daveney came out we have dominated

Obi needs to be taught to play as a team