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GooseBaba:
Captain unnecessary rationality.....

Last I checked death is permanent... He "died"=permanent. He resurrected =WTF..!!

Like the examples given... If I donate my kidney.it's gone permanently, if i get it back in 3 days. That's makes it a mirage because it never happened. Does the recipient still have a new kidney..?

The late jesus christ (pbuh) is probably pissed off right at people Using his name to tell european lies...

Death is permanent but since it is impossible for death to hold Him, and He rose on the third day, does that nullify the act of giving up His life for the good of mankind? Does the past act become null and void according to the meaning of sacrifice?

musKeeto:
What was he to lose? His life.
What did he gain? His life.
Was he aware death wasn't final? Yes, he was.
What was he? A substitue for the livestock sacrificed under the Old covenant.
Did livestock resurrect, like zombie chickens and cows and pigs? No, they stayed dead.
Jesus didn't stay dead. So what was lost?

This is the focus of sacrifice is the present act in connection with the object lost or given up, not the events that transpired after the act. I give up the use of my chair I'm sitting on so that another can find comfort in sitting on it, according to Kevoh's definition of what constitutes sacrifice, I'm lending the chair if I will still use the chair for my satisfaction, so then my action does not constitute sacrifice if my chair is not permanently lost or given up.

You are also trailing along that line of thought. If that is the case, I have no argument with you guys concerning the meaning of sacrifice. You have already defined it to suit yourselves. By all means, carry on.

kevoh:
1. That is not a sacrifice. Where is the good cause here? compare your younger one sleeping in your bed and sacrifice of your kidney to save a life? Which is heavier? You lent your brother your sleeping space in your bed and went to sleep on the armchair and you call that sacrifice! It's like lending him the bed for three days AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL NOT LOSE THE BED because he will be gone by then. Emphasis on the loss.

In other words, my 'giving up' the use of my bed for three days does not count as sacrifice because it does not entail permanent loss? Therefore, any act of giving up something which does not constitute permanent loss is lending, not sacrifice. Interesting.

2.Same as Number 1. You have lent something you know you will not lose and get back after some days. That's not a sacrifice. Refer to the definition again.

Lol. Going by your 'definition' of sacrifice as an act that is "heavy" and constitutes permanent loss, I'll say my act of giving up the use of my laptop for the day so that another may use it for his benefit is not a sacrifice.

3. Same as Number 1. Refer to the definition again.

There is no need for much argument here!

I get you. A temporary loss of something is lending while a permanent loss of something is sacrifice. Lolz. May I remind you that you defined sacrifice as:

A sacrifice is a loss or something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.

On that note, I rest my case.

This is basic English Language. The meaning of the word is so plain that any dispute concerning it unnecessary.

kevoh:
Answer lies in my modified post, let's no go into unnecessary dabbling about semantics. It's quite obvious and straightforward what '' Sacrifice'' means!

What is obvious and straightforward is how you want to perceive the term 'sacrifice'.

The word has no suggestion of the action being permanent or temporary. The keywords of that definition are 'loss' and 'give up', right? Does it say that the loss resulting from the act of sacrifice is permanent?

kevoh:
A sacrifice is a loss or something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.

Source : http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sacrifice

Examples:
1. You (sacrifice) give up one of your two healthy kidneys to save your ailing aunty or friend who needs a kidney transplant. The sacrificed kidney never comes back to you in 3 days, it's gone forever.

2. You sacrifice your time saving/helping accident victims on a Monday morning making you miss an 8a.m presentation to a billionaire client and got sacked by your no nonsense boss for coming late due to that. Time sacrificed will not come back to you in 3 days time! You have lost it forever and your job too!

Lol. True. Other examples you fail to consider:

1. I sacrifice (give up) my bed so that my younger one may sleep in it for three nights. Have I lost my bed forever?

2. I sacrifice (give up) the use of my laptop for the day so that a friend may use it to complete an assignment. Have I lost my laptop forever?

3. I sacrifice (give up) my car so that my brother may use it to go for a job interview in time since his is still under repair. Have I lost my car forever?

What in the definition of sacrifice implies that the use of the word must be associated with permanent loss?

kevoh:
A sacrifice is a loss or something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.

Source : http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sacrifice

Thank you. So, according to that definition, if I lose my sleep in order to burn the midnight oil, does it mean what I did is not a sacrifice even if I get to sleep, say, 15 hours later?

twosquare:
I'll only advise you: pray to God, believe in Jesus and carry your cross. What you are experiencing now are two things:
A) You are about to be trapped in the spirit of Apostasy that is sweeping over the earth as prophecied by the holy ones
B) You are giving heed to seducing spirits...

Wake up Lanre! We are in the perilous times and it is going to get more intense than this. If a guy or group of guys can sway you away with seducing tongues...ask yourself, how much more the Anti-Christ or the Dragon? Wake up bro..

Well said.

pbs4real:
i dnt mean to sound flippant,but am really trying my best to fathom wat u wrote. . .wat do u mean by the whole bible is a lie?

Are you shocked? Don't be. There are folks with much worse disposition towards the Bible. Judging from your reaction, I pray you never meet them. You may pass out from extreme shock.

Before anything, what is the meaning of sacrifice?

Lanre747:
Sir, you mentioned Isaiah 11, I was just pointing out that it does not point to Christ, or at least the first coming.
As i mentioned before, I am sceptical of the NT, how can I therefore use new testament writings to test the validity of new testament writings.
My logic is, if it doesn't match the writings of the prophets, or goes against the teachings of the Most High as prescribed in the torah, then it cannot be legitimate.

You're saying Isaiah 11 does not point to Christ without any valid reason behind your opinion. If it does not point to Christ, then who does it talk about? Do you have any idea?

I don't see why you should doubt the New Testament writings. Remember, Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law. He did not come to abolish it. He became that sacrifice of sin as required by the Law. He was the only Person who could atone for the sins of the Jews and the world and permanently wipe away our sins with His spotless blood. The Prophets spoke of His coming.

The life and death and of Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecies of the prophets in the Old Testament concerning Him. You need to study the Bible carefully to see that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the expected Messiah.

Lanre747:
Colossians 1:23 says "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

According to Paul, that was done in his day.

I understand 70AD. But the fact remains that generation did not see all that was mentioned in that passage.

There's no one who can tell for a fact when the Gospel has been preached to every soul on earth because when Apostle Paul wrote this, the majority of the regions in Africa and Asia and other parts of the world had not heard the Gospel of the good news of Christ.

A veritable sign that will follow the preaching of the Gospel to every soul under heaven, that is, in the whole world is the rapture of the Church. This has not happened yet even after many centuries since the Apostle made that statement.

It then means that Paul was not talking about "every creature in the world" per se. What he meant by that statement, as in verse 6 of the same chapter as well, is the fact that the Gospel has been preached to a great number of Jews and Gentiles of his time, not even necessarily all the Jews and Gentiles. The Gospel had traveled to many parts of the world at the time but not to every part of the world as the statement seems to imply. If truly the Gospel had been preached to everyone in the world, then Christ would have returned a very long time ago. His statement is characteristic of a hyperbolic expression. It isn't meant to be taken literally, obviously.

About the other part of your statement, Jesus died in AD 33. The Siege of Jerusalem took place in AD 70, thirty-seven (37) years later after the death of Jesus. Without doubt, so many in that generation, not even few, witnessed the Siege.

blessedfavoured:
This is my first time in the religious section, and my first post. I just wanted to share something that struck me while reading my joyce meyer devotional today;

Change does not come through struggle, human effort without God, frustration, self-hatred, self-rejection, guilt, or works of the flesh. Change in our lives comes as a result of having our minds renewed by the Word of God and by trusting God to work in us according to His will. God, Who began a good work in you, will complete it (see Philippians 1:6).

This is the first time I will see this. Welcome to the Religion section.

Her message about change is spot-on. Truly, change has its source in trust in God and the renewing of our minds. This is how we are transformed into the image of Christ.

vooks:
Romans 15:26 (KJV)
For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem

These poor saints missed the memo and your eloquent dividing of the word

Vooks, this is unthinkable. The sentence you highlighted is plain as day. There is nothing about it that supports your argument. It mentioned the poor saints in Jerusalem. What about them? How does that verse lead you to the conclusion of poverty in Christ?

Compare it with this verse - For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich - 2 Corinthians 8:9

Now do you see how your quoted verse pales in comparison with this in both expression, character, intention, and comprehension?

Another verse is 3 John 1:2 - Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.

In the light of the verses I quoted, you will agree with me that the verse you quoted is utterly baseless and does more injury to your argument rather than support it.

Lanre747:
Thanks sincerely for all your responses.

See here is the thing. I am a firm believer in the God of Abraham, and I believe He shall not share His glory with anyone else and he is the ancient of days. And having done my own research, I believe those that say many black africans are in fact the true descendants of Jacob.

I am trying to ascertain whether the books and letters we call the New Testament is truth. So you will imagine I would be nervous to accept explanations using the same new testament. For anyone in those days to be considered a man of truth, he would have had to speak from the old testament. This is something I learned from NL admittedly, but I embrace that logic because it makes absolute sense.

So I must put to test those writings and writers spoken of.

So today's troubling passage for me is this (I have not overlooked your previous responses, I want to ask further questions based on what you guys have shared with me to make sure I have understood you):

Jesus spoke of His second coming in Matthew 24 among other places. He said in verse 34:

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Now I have read some commentaries that suggest "generation" is an unknown number of years. I read it as it is written, and as the word is used in most other parts of the bible, i.e. 'the people living at the time'. This has not come to pass yet. Therefore, I am concerned. Any thoughts?

Let me briefly explain something about this verse. If you read verses 15 to 28, you will see that Jesus prophesied the siege of Jerusalem which happened AD 70. Verses 29 to 31 talk about the rapture of the saints towards the end of this age. Now, before you understand verses 32 to 34, you must know that if Jesus was talking about verses 29 to 31 in verse 34, then what He said about the Gospel being preached to the whole world before His coming is false.

Why would Christ say something in verse 14 and make contradictory statements in verses 29 to 24?

Jesus Christ never made any single wrong prophecy. Verses 32 to 34 talk about the siege of Jerusalem, not about His return because many things will precede His return, the most important being that the Gospel will be preached to the whole world, something which has not been entirely accomplished even today. There is more to say concerning this explanation should suffice for now.

If you have any questions, let me know and I shall answer to the best of the ability God gives me.

Lanre747:
Sir, as with the other gentleman, I must say also, Isaiah 11:10, in my humble opinion, does not point to Christ.

Okay. Tell me why you think so. Are you implying Paul was wrong in Romans 15? Maybe you should read it. Still, I'd like to know why you think the Scriptures do not point to Christ. Then I shall give you many other Scriptures that prophesy of His birth, life and death.

Isaiah 11 also says:

Verse 4: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Did Christ do this?

This is a futuristic verse prophesying the return of Christ with His saints to war against the beast and the false prophet and the people gathered against Christ. This battle will usher in the Millennial Reign of Christ. Read Revelations 19:17-21 and Revelations 20:4-6.

Verse 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Verse 9:They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

I believe these are yet to take place. I am studying Isaiah at the moment and trying to find solid evidence connecting Jesus to the one the prophets spoke of. I am struggling at present.

These verses are still talking about the Millennial reign of Christ on earth. His reign will usher in a time of peace and harmony such that the effects of sin will no longer operate even on animals. As Christ rules from Jerusalem, the earth will enjoy very great peace and prosperity. Like you said, it is yet to happen.

The Scriptures foretell the revelation of the Messiah. If you want evidence connecting Jesus Christ to the prophecies in the Old Testament of His coming, read the Gospels. Study the Gospels, the life of Jesus Christ. They will shed some light. Besides, if the Old Testament prophets were not referring to Jesus Christ, then who do you think they were talking about?

SUGARBEE:
Blah blah blah

SSBN, you can see why listening to her piece of advice is disastrous. She doesn't even care to make sense as long as she is typing.

SUGARBEE:
I didn't mean scores so to speak but I mean being at peace with each other

Yes. We're called to be at peace with everyone. Being at peace with everyone does not mean trying to appease the anger of those who seek your life, or seeking reconciliation with those who want to destroy you. It means loving and praying for your enemies, avoiding any form of confrontation with people, minding your own business, never repaying evil with evil.

It's different from when you're not in good terms with a brother, or a friend. They're not seeking to kill you. Just plain misunderstanding. In that case, you seek to repair the relationship with them. If they refuse after three attempts to make peace, you are then free to leave them. However, this is not the case here.

SUGARBEE:
He needs to settle what ever score he had with them before thinking of moving on else his future might be rocky

He has no scores to settle with those who hate him or seek his life. The only thing he owes them is forgiveness. Besides that, nothing else should tie him with them.

SSBN, for the sake of your peace and long life, cut off every association with those people. They hate you. They are not friends but enemies. Have nothing to do with them. Don't go to them if they call you for any meeting of reconciliation because doing that may mean your last day on earth. Forgive them and move on. Forgiveness is very, very important, even mandatory.

About those objects placed in your house, they might be meant to place a spell or curse on you, or meant to scare you but this doesn't make sense as who would go through all that trouble to scare you, especially considering the fact that, coincidentally, you're no longer in good terms with them?

This is what you have to do. Give your life to Jesus Christ. Abandon your sinful habits with the help of God. Once you've given your life to Christ, every curse or spell against you is rendered useless through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Pray from your heart and ask God to destroy the powers behind those objects. If you can, call your pastor or Spirit-filled brothers and sisters in Christ to anoint your house and pray against those objects. That is, if you are scared to do it on your own.
Above all, begin to live a prayerful life. Only God can save.

vooks:
Those were not preachers. The first two were kings. Please compare them with Queen Elizabeth for your rant to make sense. The other one was a shrewd business man.

In other words, the promises of God concerning material abundance to His people do not apply to preachers.

Christ was made poor that we may be rich does not apply to preachers. Preachers are the only exception in the blessings and promises of financial abundance.

David was highly anointed by God. He was a king and prophet of God. Solomon was called the Preacher.

@ topic, the best we can do is pray that God uses His servants to spread the message of the cross to the world, to use them to wake people from spiritual slumber, to use them to break the chains of bondage in the lives of people. Prayer is the key

Like a respected preacher once said, "Pray, pray, and pray."

@ Starlingslimnet, I disagree with your comment. If you have anything to contribute to help the Op understand the Word better, it is highly welcome.

@ Sability, thanks for your contribution

@ Appleyard, and MrPresident1, it's nice reading your contributions or, say, analysis.

My prayer is that God keeps Lanre747 from being a victim of false doctrines by the enemies of Christ.

MrPresident1:
A very clean and refreshing post from you CaptainJune, you have put things very well.

Greetings!

Thank you, MrPresident1. It is nothing, really. Just helping a brother in need.

I don't normally do this but I believe the Op is trying her hands in fiction writing. Girl loves guy, guy loves girl, culture dictates guy's father sleeps with girl to determine girl's ability to satisfy guy sexually, girl detests it but love is blind, the culture is nameless but it is culture, nonetheless, girl seeks help and advice but has already let you known that whatever the piece of advice her love for guy is blind.

Besides the fact that it needs a little more polishing, this story makes for a good nollywood movie. Thumbs up, Op.

MizMyColi:
May that culture catch fire and BURRRN in Hades

hahahaha this is really laughter provoking

An2elect2:
See

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.

His will;

John 6:29 :
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

And what truth He spoke;

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,
but by me.

Look at what the acclaimed saint said;

In the biography Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work, she is quoted by Desmond Doig as follows: “If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our
lives, then we ... become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are ... What God is in your mind you must accept.”

In her life she preached a different gospel! The gospel of universalism where people can wallow in any religion and still know God as long as they are doing it well. Does it sound to you like the gospel Christ preached and suffered for, including His apostles.

Pleassse, enough of all this watering down.. Its either Jesus lied or Mother Theresa is in hell.

What is the message of Christ, that the gospel be preached to all nations and disciples made in His name. And mother Theresa said it is okay to be what you are if that's how you see God as long as you making progress in it. ABEG!

And He said,
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he
that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Woah. Lol. Easy Miss/Mrs, please take it easy. I do not disagree with the Scripture verses you've quoted to support your opinion. Remember, even the most hardened criminal could breathe a prayer of repentance on his death bed just before giving up the ghost and make heaven. Folks who knew him in life would say he is in hell but they never knew what transpired between him and God a few seconds to the end of his life.

Have you read Ian McCormack's story? He was an atheist like the ones here in NL. He did not believe in the existence of God. A New Zealander. On a certain day, in Mauritius, he went swimming with some friends. In the water, he was stung by a box-jellyfish, believed to be the second deadliest creature known to man. Knowing he would die, he wondered if there was any life after death. In the few minutes of breath he had left, he remembered a prayer his mother taught him. The Lord's prayer. Actually, to say he remembered is an overstatement because he couldn't recall the words of the prayer. He prayed to God to help him remember the prayer his mother taught him. Supernaturally, the words of the Lord's Prayer appeared before his eyes. The first was 'Forgive us our sins'. He died and went to hell. In the darkness of hell, the light of God appeared to him and took him out of hell. He saw God as the shape of a man in the center of the light, he felt the waves of God's love on him. Now, this is what is very interesting. God showed him paradise, the New Earth and asked him if he wanted to stay or return. If he opted to stay, his mother would have been so heartbroken believing that he died an atheist. She wouldn't have known his deathbed prayer of repentance. For the sake of his mother, to tell let her know that her belief in Jesus Christ is real he told God he had to go back.

Do you also know that Jesus can appear to a sinner in coma, preach to him or her, and take them to heaven? He has been doing that and will continue to do that.

My point is you can never tell. The history of a character is not exactly true until God opens your eyes to see beyond history and tales of the person, to see the person as the person really is - good or bad.

Mother Theresa may be in hell, but she may also be in heaven because we never can tell what transpired in her last moments of life before she died. We don't know if she repented of her heresy in her deathbed and is resting in heaven even as we speak.

btoks:
Si down dere captain saying false doctrine! The church was given the power to bind and loose(Matt 18:18 & others).the same power was used to canonise the books of the bible(or is this false as well?),to declare God a Trinity, to declare the nature of Jesus,the list goes on including canonisation of persons.
When someone is canonised,the church is stating that the person definitely has beatific vision which means they are in heaven.
The Catholic Church's authority comes directly from Jesus and so its always been and will continue to be.

Not to argue or anything, but all you've just said leaves me without a doubt about the deception you wholeheartedly believe. Read the Bible afresh. Forget what the Catholic church or Pentecostal church or Methodist church or Presbyterian church preach. Forget them. They are nothing but walls of division. Read the Bible from an individual point of view. It will help you get rid of the deception you are under.

Fearlesschicken, have you visited sites where Christian testimonies are published? It may help going through them. Here are some links:

www.insightsofgod.com

www.divinerevelations.info

www.precious-testimonies.com

We Christians do not only draw inspiration from the Bible but also from the testimonies of others of God's doings.

You may also want to download the book, The Final Frontier. You will find the download link at the first link above. You may already know them but I just thought to share them with you.

Donbryan:
Amen and thanks for this wonderful words.

You're welcome.

An2elect2:
If she died as the self righteous catholic nun that she was, without the knowledge of the Lord Jesus and His righteousness, which is likely, she is most assuredly a hell candidate . Sad but true.

You think? You only knew her from observation or tales, God knew her heart and soul. Don't be shocked when you discover she is resting in heaven for all eternity.

Should Pastor Enoch Adeboye or Pastor Lazarus Muoka die today, many will say they are in heaven but the sad truth is we may never know until the end of time. Judging only from the appearance and character is a very great source of error, sometimes the error becomes fatal.

btoks:
On earth, the only way we can know for sure whether one made heaven is when they have been declared as such by the catholic church in its authority to bind and loose.

Mother Theresa is one likely to have made heaven as she is currently in the process of being declared as such while a miracle through her intercession is sought/investigated.
The declaration process involves lengthy investigations into the person which could take decades/centuries.

This is false doctrine. The canonization of a person does not guarantee their eternal habitation. It is just a man-made act of bestowing honour on that person. Only God knows those who made heaven and those who didn't just as well as the people to whom He reveals the eternal habitation of those who have departed this life.