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johnydon22:
As always you don't still check what you post.

Faith is not an evidence of anything.. FAITH: A feeling or conviction that something is true without empirical evidence.

A muslim has faith in Allah, this is not an evidence of Allah but simply a conviction.
A christian has Faith is Yahweh, this is not evidence of Yahweh but simply a conviction.
I may have FAITH that a flying diamond pig exists, this is not evidence of the pig but simply my delusional CONVICTION.

Your faith in anything doesn't make it true, doesn't even make it probably true... Your faith only means you believe it whether it is true or not. So please don't pull this stupendous comparison between Empirical evidence (that science deals with) and Faith (conviction).

If you read the Bible, you'd see that the Israelites worshiped different gods, they had 'faith' in those gods of woods and stone they carved and served otherwise they wouldn't have bothered serving those gods. However, their faith was blind. There was no reason to put their faith in the existence of the things that did not supernaturally deliver them from trouble, gods that could not provide water for them in the wilderness, gods that were incapable of healing them from their diseases, gods that could not supernaturally feed them when they were hungry and had run out of food in the wilderness when they left Egypt. Their faith in those gods was, in essence, blind. This is not the faith the Bible teaches. God asks His people to believe in Him with childlike faith. Faith which is convinced of the ability of God. This conviction comes from knowing or experience of the power and ability of God so that one's confidence rests completely in God. This is not the blind faith that believes in a deity in the absence of the physical manifestations of the deity's powers or ability, as you erroneously assume I described.

With FAITH you only able to be convicted in your own delusion that there is such a thing as the spiritual world when you are in a material world. Again study of nature (science) tenders postulations and gives the methods used to arrive to such conclusions.

But in your conviction of something as delusional as claim a spirit world, no compelling evidence to suggest so, yet you are fully convinced of it and call your conviction evidence? is that not a total show of ludicrous gullibility

I have FAITH that i am Zeddicus Zul Zorranda... Bingo, there is my evidence..

If you read my post, you'll find this comment very laughable because there's no semblance of faith in this declaration. It is pure delusion and fantasy, not faith. It is possible schizophrenia in the making. You talk about science arriving at a conclusion
through observation and deduction, are you aware of many events that science has no explanation to offer using the same methods to arrive at a conclusion, occurrences about which it has kept mom? If science is the sole process by which reality is proven, why has it failed to come up with clear conclusions as regards these supernatural phenomena? Why is it still difficult to explain why a patient was able to accurately describe to doctors what they said and what transpired in the operating room at the same time she was being operated on even though all the instruments showed her brain was dead, or say clinically dead, without life or pulse, but eventually resurrected to the great surprise of the doctors and nurses who had eventually declared her time of death?

One can only imagine how such gullibility stems. . Personal Experience, so people should swallow YOUR PERSONAL conviction as a UNIVERSAL TRUTH?

since your personal experience cannot be demonstrated for substantiation, it sorely rests that you are only postulating your own assumptions.

You postulate that something IS, yet you can not tender how you arrived at such conclusion... How then did you know because for the fact that you got to know show that it is perceivable.

But NO, you don't know, you are only convicted that it is true thereby shutting out reason in entirety, subjecting yourself to a gullible state of nonsensical conviction.

Makes us wonder who "the blind fools or fool" is in this case..

Lol. Did I hear you say faith should be based on my personal experience? This here is really funny submission. Whether you admit it or deny it, there are so many things in this world that defy logical or scientific explanation. The fact that they cannot be explained using scientific methods of deduction, should they be discounted as false? Should they be ignored because they fail to appear under the microscopic lens of science?

You'll never get a compelling scientific evidence of faith in God. Even science is incapable of providing such even if it does not deny the existence of consciousness after death.

Where you lack knowledge is a call for more study and not some stupendous superstition. . .

Study has come up with [size=16]Chemotherapy, Radiation therapy and many other ways cancer can be battled[/size] which in the near future will be drastically improved with more study, leaving to people like you who employ superstition where they lack knowledge, man would still be riding horses now.
Malaria once had no cure now is as common as common cold.
where you lack knowledge should incite more study not superstition...

On the contrary, your blind insistence on the impossibility of the spiritual world is superstitious. Medical experts and some scientists, not attached to any religion of the world, have proved to the world that the spiritual world is a reality. For want of space, I shall not publish their findings now. If scientists and people who have had similar experiences, Christians or non-Christians, testify to the reality of the existence of the soul, then it is worse than blindness and ignorance to state otherwise.

Out of body experiences, Illusionary projections. And somehow someone cannot fathom that the BRAIN is the center of consciousness and perception in man. . Every illusionary projection by man is as a result of the brain which in turn is one of the last ORGANS to die in the body..

Very unintelligent comment. You're still backward in terms of scientific discoveries that state the possibility of consciousness even after the brain is dead, even after oxygen has left it for about four to six minutes tops and the person is declared dead.

Faith in a thing doesn't make it true, it only means you believe it whether is true or not

True. It doesn't matter if you have faith in God or not. It doesn't make Him any less real. However, faith in God is the conviction of His existence. It is a conviction not based on the principles of science or logic, a conviction that is aware of His reality, His presence, His power, His love - this awareness is the basis of faith, it is the evidence of the unseen, it is true faith in God.

Another test is the test of the afterlife. Does the afterlife exist? How do we determine its existence? If it exists, which deity do we have to give account of our existence on earth? Is it Allah, or the Egyptian sun god, or Annubis, or Chemosh, or Diana? The question of the afterlife is no longer a subject restricted to religion or spiritual beliefs. It is a subject of scientific interest and the results of these experiments are quite interesting. Many subjects describe seeing a deity whose descriptions correspond to Jesus Christ or the Father. Some describe seeing peaceful light and a being in the center of that light, some experiences are so vivid and detail that they describe the nail marks on his hands while some describe seeing the peaceful abode of the saints in paradise. A set of others had a different story of being dragged to a region of flames of fire, seeing hell, hearing tormenting wails and screamings. All these experiences point to the fact that the Bible is no fiction. It is real as real can be.


There are many other tests but this three should suffice to answer your questions concerning the determination of the true God.

2. Let us zero in on Christianity and its bible.

Now the bible protrays God as all-loving, slow to anger, righteous, protecting the helpless and so on.

The same bible also portrays God as a fickle being who is a slave to his passions. He sanctions slavery, manslaughter, polygamy, genocide (Egypt, Amalek, Assyria), favouritism and so on. In most cases, like in the case of Uzzah, he kills by himself. This same God who is portrayed as peace-loving is also portrayed as a specialist in pitting one group of his creatures against the others.

This has no bearing with the topic of discussion. Let's stick to the topic. Focusing on this may lead us to deviate from the original topic.

Even though faith doesn't need to have evidence but it shouldn't be blind. Faith should not be divorced from reason.

I quite agree with you on this. Ironically, this is also my argument for the belief in the existence of God.

For example, more than half of the people who profess Christianity today are not really doing so because they love God. No. They do so because they are afraid of hell fire. Because they know that even though he is portrayed as merciful, they see him as one who can be wicked in punishing someone; they see him as one who, even though he is portrayed as merciful, has a limit to the level of his mercy.

You should speak for yourself here. Do you think everyone loves sin the way you do? Why do you ignorantly assume that serving God is based on fear of punishment when literally thousands are much more fulfilled and happier serving God than serving the devil as you do? You can't just judge everyone with your narrow lens of perception. Even if there were no hell or heaven, many will still gladly serve God for the rest of their lives while many will still refuse to serve Him. It is just like the relationship between a father and his children. They know their father is ready to punish them when they go wrong but they never doubt for a second their father's love for them. The father's love is reciprocated despite the certainty of punishment because the love the father has for them is far far greater than the desire to punish them. They do not rebel against their father simply on the thought of possible suffering of punishment should they go wrong.

Besides, you conveniently excluded the part where belief in God is based on love for what God has done and is doing for His people. His goodness, His mercies, His answers to prayers, His deliverance of His people from chains of darkness, His miracles, His salvation given freely to all mankind, His unconditional love for us despite our wickedness. These are just a few among many reasons for loving and serving God and they're more than enough for anyone to serve Him without fear of punishment because there's no fear in love. You're very free to ignore His love but that is ultimately your choice, not ours, the children of God.

3. The God of the christians is portrayed as loving unconditionally. Yet he gives out laws and tells those who do not obey him that they will be punished for not obeying.

I continue to say this, you're deluded if you think God is only a God of love. He is, of course. However, He is also a God of wrath. He is a God of mercy as well as a God of judgment. He has made this fact well known in His Word and through the ages. It will be best you always keep that in mind.

So I will ask you: what exactly is the basis of your "faith"?

I want to ask, what is the basis of your doubt despite all the physical evidence of an unseen Creator?

nobilis:
LOL.



I have some few questions.

1. When you talk about Faith an belief in God, which God are you talking about?

Are you talking about the God(s) of the Abrahamic religions or are you talking about all other Gods out there whose followers also have holy books claimed to have been inspired by their deity?

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yes, the God of Elijah, of Moses, of king David, of Jeremiah, of Joshua, of John the baptist, of Peter, of John, of Matthew, of Paul. The one and same God.

Even among the Abrahamic religions, are you talking about Jehovah, Yahweh or Allah? Or do you erroneously think they are the same God?

Go through the old testament, the new testament and the koran, you will see that they are not the same God. They are very different in character, attitude, actions and dispositions.

Jehovah and Yahweh are two among the appellations of the I AM, the Elohim, the God of Abraham. Allah is a deity extremely different in disposition, expectation, character and ways from the God of Abraham. Jehovah and Allah are as different as day is different from night, as mountain is different from valley. Yahweh sent His Son to die for the sins of mankind, but Allah denies the death of Jesus Christ, says it is a figment of imagination, in other words.

So which God is the real God and how will u arrive at that conclusion?

The God who is greater than all other gods is the true God. The logical question should be how can we determine the God that is greater than others?



One of the tests to determine the answer to such question and probably the most important test of the sovereign nature of the true God is the test of universality. How known or experienced are the different gods to people all over the world? Has Buddah been seen by thousands of Africans or Europeans or Canadians or the Greeks past and present? Krishna? Allah? Zeus, Baal? Molech? Odin? Has Sango or Amadioha revealed themselves to people across tribes, nations or the world in order to erase doubts of their existence and to establish their supremacy over other gods? Which god passes this test of universality? I'd like to know. They cannot. You know why? They're not gods but demons parading as gods. They're hindered by time and space so that they cannot be everywhere at the same time. This is why this so-called religious gods can never stretch their activities beyond a region. The only Being that passes this test and even goes beyond that since He is the Creator of time and space is the God of Abraham.



Another test is the test of universal revelation. This is similar to the test of universality but the difference here lies in reaching out to people of contrary beliefs by the true deity. How often have you heard that thousands, I mean thousands - okay, for the sake of modesty let's say hundreds of practicing buddhists, or Muslims seen and accurately described Krishna or Zeus or Dagon or Ra? What about atheists? Have they had any experience with these gods in order to impact their beliefs or lack of it in their existence? Have Muslims seen or heard any Indian god or goddess? Where? Give me links, books, audio or video evidence of this phenomenon. The one true God accepts everyone irrespective of belief and loves them the same. The one true God not only reveals Himself to His followers but also to those following other deities. It is easy to doubt Christians when they say they saw or heard Jesus Christ. However, a number of pagans, atheists, Muslims, buddhists, traditionalists, or egyptians, people of various religious beliefs have reported seeing Jesus Christ or angels, an encounter which changed their lives forever.

Sweetmarriage:
I've come to discover that the things being said about God is too divine to be a mere 'fiction' See, GOD IS REAL!!! When we die, we will go and meet our Creator (GOD) in Heaven where we will be rewarded according to the way we live here on earth.

Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior today. If you are a thief, stop stealing. If you are a fornicator, stop fornicating. If you are a drunkard, stop it. Let Jesus our Good Lord cleanse you from your sins with His Precious Blood that He shed on the Cross Of Calvary for you and me.

Today is the day of salvation, kiss the Son lest He be angry with you.

Live your life for God, so when you leave this bitter world, you will reign with Christ in His Kingdom Heaven (where there is no pain but Joy everlasting)

#No real enjoyment here on earth
#Real enjoyment waits for us in Heaven.

Will you be there?

God bless you

lalasticlala, ishilove

I love everything about this comment, everything, especially the bolded.

I always wonder what joy folks derive from fornication, adultery, stealing, intimidation, sinful pleasures of life. It is probably the fact that since being delivered from darkness, I've seen what sin really looks like from this angle of light - it's hideous, disgusting, temporal, worthless, empty, shallow, a source of internal dissatisfaction, unreliable, perishable, all are vanity of vanities.

First off, thanks for the mention.

There's something we have to understand about the relationship between faith and evidence - they are the same thing. They're both evidence of something. Faith is evidence of the unseen; science is evidence of what is seen. Whichever is used one thing is certain - Faith is older than science.

With science we're able to interact with and understand the physical world, its mysteries, its laws, man, animal, plants, land, air, etc. However, with faith we're able to interact with and understand the spiritual world, its mysteries, its laws, the forces that inhabit this world, the beings, etc.

Atheists and unbelievers perceive faith in God as some kind of belief without evidence. This is why it is said that they are blind fools. While you can never manufacture a 'physical' evidence for something of spiritual nature, you can never deny the reality of the supernatural, or the existence of the spiritual realm whose evidence lie personal experience, people's experience, history of people having the same experience, physical manifestations confirming the Word of God such as unexplainable cure of cancer, HIV/AIDS, resurrection from clinical death, the manifestations of the gifts of prophecy (that accurately describes the details of life of strangers), tongues and interpretation, word of knowledge, discerning of spirits etc etc, or physical manifestations of spiritual phenomena such as poltergeist activities, ouija board, the activities of rain makers, physically undetectable cause(s) of an illness bearing the same symptom with common illness, womb overdue for delivery but remains in that stage probably for years (rare and usual at the same time), unexplainable manifestations defying explanation which the medical and scientific world recognise as real but fail to explain using scientific knowledge gained from reading textbooks, but which others also call the paranormal, there're also out of body experiences, near-death experiences, too numerous to mention.

The bottom line is faith in God is not blind neither is is it the exercise people resort to to feel good about themselves and their situation. Faith in God is no longer a question of religion because the evidence of the existence of God is overwhelming in our daily lives so that whoever does not believe despite this pieces of evidence scattered all over the universe has no one but himself to blame in judgment neither will he have any excuse to offer for doubting the evidence of the existence of God - faith and science.

menesheh:
Why not shot-up and read between the line or read other chats between us.

Lead by example.

menesheh:
And your problem is that you fail to look at a url i posted there, am not a blogger and am not the writer, that i posted a write-up i agreed with its points doesn't make the writer.
Reason with your brain broo. That's why you quoted me and wrote same point about being a kid of which i don't give a damn. I don't do age. I never know, i make not be your age grade or even suppose to be discoursing some issues with you.

It is so pitiful you had to resort to pointing the accusing finger at a link after publishing and clearly defending its topic in order to save your neck.

When you defend a topic, it doesn't matter if you brought it up or not, you're clearly inviting criticism and opposing thoughts that naturally come along. If you can't handle that, you've no business defending it in the first place.

Obviously, the op did not think this through before pointing the accusing finger at Christians.

Should I school him and tell him the difference between prayer and faith declaration which stands on the promises of God.

Where to begin? Judging from his prejudice of christianity, I believe it is futile to attempt.

winner01:
You have a point though, cos i wonder why one will even list sex as a benefit.

Lolz. If sex is an exclusive benefit of atheists, then I'm Brad Smith.

johnydon22:
When you explicitly agreed that your after life postulations cannot be proven with any physical, testable, tangible, perceivable evidence.

You still expect any rational person to take you serious? . . . Or you expect me to now take you on based on your personal beliefs in after life that you will sorely just rest on FAITH (conviction that your assumptions are true)

Seriously am not cut out for such ludicrous insanity

Spoken like a true atheist who ascribes the word 'irrational' to be the exclusive property of the known unknown. When the thought of dividing the atom was first conceived, was it rational? When the giant-winged bird was first conceived, was it rational at the time? When doctors and nurses witnessed the resurrection of some patients who died clinically, was it rational?

While you sit here arguing against the possibility of the afterlife where thousands: christians, pagans, doctors, former atheists, scientists have all testified of its existence, many experentially, and your only argument to the contrary is that 'it is irrational' then you have no claim to intelligence to which you pride yourself of possession by ignoring the huge body of evidence, religious or scientific, in the form of testimonies by these technical and qualified experts and common people, past and present.

When you're told by the media that a strange, undetected phenomenon is responsible for multiple deaths in an area warning people to stay away so as not to risk infection, would it be irrational to heed the warning even if the phenomenon in question is undetected or air-borne or unseen?

winner01:
He isnt an atheist, real atheists dont care about religion......he is either a God-hater or anti-theist.

He has no idea. On the contrary, I doubt he is a God-hater. I think he feels being an atheist is fashionable. This, I believe, explains his naive tone of excitement at listing the worldly pleasures which are the 'exclusive benefits of atheists'.

johnydon22:
Good this settles it in Toto

I thought it is the habit of intelligence to verify a fact, to attempt an investigation into a matter in order to ascertain the possibility, or not, of the unknown. Obviously, your replies have been anything but intelligent.

menesheh:
Yea, point one among those earthly things atheists enjoy that you've never enjoyed or will never still enjoy.
Car
Sex
Holiday travel
Yacht
Drinks
Partying
Love
Etc

The issue here is trying to control how i do those things. Christian will come up theirs, same with muslim, and Judaism. How do we Choose the factual one from god?


Whether they are mundane or not, as far as you are living in this our physical world, brother you need those things. What you are doing is pretence and faking.

Excuse me, are you implying that only atheists have the exclusive access to worldly pleasures?

So Christians don't enjoy drinks, cars, travels for pleasure, yachts, sports, sex (as married couples), parties, etc, etc?

My, you're really a kid who thinks atheism is all about enjoyment of worldly pleasures.

Google...please, do yourself a favour and google the meaning of atheism.

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha bro why getting emotional over a simple discourse? Please it's not a fight or enmity, we are only discussing... I never claimed to be an authority here; i stated my reasons.. "Prove to us, so we can learn and KNOW" that shouldn't be hard for you i presume..
You really don't know how to argue do you?
I have never asserted to agree with the big bang theory (By the way hope you know was postulated by a theist,catholic priest for that matter) so in case as usual you are thinking it's an atheistic theory, you are sadly mistaken.. Big bang is a scientific theory and has nothing to do with atheism or theism.

I have never asserted to agree with big bang theory so why did you ASSUME i did? Thats Straw man you know..

About Atoms, am not sure i even need to talk on that unless your theistic beliefs impairs your scientific cognition.

There's nothing to prove to you by way of physical, testable, tangible, perceivable evidence of the reality of the afterlife. Even the scientists, after who you model your intelligence, and who are not attached to any so-called religion are of the opinion of the great possibility of the afterlife after conducting researches on the subject. Needless to say, none has ever never come up with a physical evidence of their belief in the afterlife except, of course, the conclusive results of their many experiments in that regard.

johnydon22:
Your cognitive ability is way too low. . . So in all honesty you cannot discern that this is not a bible quote... This leaves us wondering who the reasonable and unreasonable one is

Besides the fact that his poor use of ellipses made it appear as if he omitted some words in his quotation so that all the words are read together, in your opinion, it is reasonable that he proposes death by stoning of couples who remarry as a result of divorce. This is why you jump to his defense, right?

Can you tell the difference between these sentences in response to the question:

"Should we engage the enemy or retreat?"

No, war is bad

No war is bad

plaetton:
This is the inherent contradiction of religions, especially the pentecostal christianity of the modern era.

This is one reason why Christianity is different from religion.

Go and verify the source of your Bible quote. At least to appear reasonable.

BoTNaija:
The concept of an afterlife is at best, illusory and at worst, a criminal attempt to limit the human mind from attaining to its best capacity. God is real and every living creation of His has a terminal period of existence - humans, monkeys, lizards, vultures! The Bible or Quran are as good as a bottle of whiskey (opium), meant to lure you to sleep, while your mental captors exploit you perpetually!

There's no afterlife? You're more misguided than a drunk who thinks a major busy road is his magnificent stretch of palatial, king-size bed. When your error of thought vaporizes - may God have mercy on you that it is not too late.

johnydon22:

Oh yes how can someone disprove what is not proven, it's tantamount to asking someone to disprove nothing. . .

So am sure you know quite well thats why you made the absolute statement that there is an afterlife, so please regale us the thrilling tale by postulating your methods of observations of this simple fact, we so much want to KNOW.

Tell us how you got to know, prove to us there is

Question. Science can explain every phenomenon in the universe. T or F?

paxonel:
ok, what is the difference between revelation and prophecy?

Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecies concerning Him as foretold by the prophets in the Old Testament.

Paul, on his way to Damascus, had a revelation of Jesus Christ that changed his life forever.

flexybobo:
nobody is like Jesus
we all commit sin
what we do is to pray that we will not commit sin on rapture day, because many people who think they are righteous will be caught on aware on that day

I agree with everything you've said. I hope my post did not give you the impression that walking in love makes you perfect. No one can be sinless on earth in this temporary tent (flesh). However, with love you strive for perfection everyday. That's all what God requires of us. Love is God's nature. If you love, you're living and expressing the nature of God.

denisbid:
heavenly creatures?
so eagles and lions are heavenly creatures?
do eagles and lions talk? how then do they praise?

Read the book of Revelation 4:6-9

Weah96:
You should try to get murdered as soon as possible, just to make heaven. Try Sambisa forest.

Make sure to remind your murderer that you love him.

How about you re-read my post? Who said anything about seeking death?

flexybobo:
how are you sure you are going to make heaven? do you know if you will die commiting sin?

I really don't understand it when fellow believers are in doubt of their eternal destination. It shows they're not operating in faith and love.

I am EXTREMELY and DEEPLY CONVINCED without an atom of doubt that when I die suddenly, my eternal habitation is heaven. This should not be misconstrued as an expression of boast. As such, the contrary would be the case.

My confidence is rooted in the fact that I strive to walk in love daily. If any believer walks in love and repents daily of his or her sins, he is a sure candidate of heaven. Love is the greatest commandment in the Bible.

Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:17

Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Ephesians 1:4

paxonel:
i know exactly what need not to be interpreted and what need to be interpreted in the Bible

No you don't. This quote below proves it.

paxonel:
there are prophecies that were direct and do not need interpretation.
But there are other prophesies like.
Revelation 4:7
And the first beast was like a lion
lion = what?
and the second beast like a calf,
calf = what?
and the third beast had a face as a man
man = what?
, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle
flying eagle = What?
infact BEAST = what?
You see, when people read these things they become scared. meanwhile, there is nothing there if you get their interpretation

Besides erroneously calling this passage prophecy, you misunderstand it to be a parable.

The living creatures are literal beings. They are heavenly creatures who praise God before His throne day and night.

Paxonel, really, you're the one confused here. You highlighted a parable with its interpretation, but you misinterpret other passages of the Bible expecting them to tow in line with the interpretation of the parable of the sower.

Heaven, Hell, and the Book of Life are not parables. They're facts, real facts. They are literal concepts, not symbolic concepts as some folks erroneously suppose to the detriment of their souls.

Granted, there are things in the Bible that may require some explanation for better understanding, but those you mentioned are hardly deserving of "interpretation" if you can read and write.

Why do people deceive themselves in thinking they can serve God and still conveniently hold on to their sinful lives as prostitutes, homosexuals, liars, drunks, disobedient, wife beaters, deceivers, lesbians, gluttons, womanizers, adulterers, fornicators, strippers, sorcerers, peadophiles, gigolos, idolaters, thieves, and the list goes on...?

If they 're stubborn and will not repent of their evil ways, in my opinion, it were better they don't even waste their time by serving Christ and just focus on living in sin. After all, the Bible said it were better not to have known Him, than to know Him and still fall back in sin.

In an area, when a speaker or two blare worldly music to a loud extent that it results in deafness, people deem such noise harmless because they love the sound of worldly music. However, when a christian gathering produces half that volume of 'noise' in praise and worship songs to God, it then commits the unforgivable crime of noise pollution warranting its closure by the state government acting on the petition of the people both directly and not directly concerned.

Op, nice write-up. I only want to address the fact that Christianity is not a religion. Religion seeks to please God through human actions, wisdom and goodness, through man-made rules and regulations regarding what to eat, acceptable times to pray, rigid dress codes, human rituals to secure God's forgiveness and all sorts of acts which depend on human efforts aimed at appearing righteous before God and please Him. They forget that man's righteousness is filthy rags before God. Here, atheists ignorantly think that Christianity is all about having good moral behaviour in order to be accepted by God.

Christianity is a Faith, it is a loving relationship between the Father and His children. The children do not have to perform some everyday rituals in order to please their Daddy. He loves them unconditionally since they've accepted the sacrifice of His Son who made it possible for them to be righteous like Him. They paid nothing for the sacrifice. His grace and salvation is free. It doesn't depend on man's moral character but on accepting His love freely given to all. Now, it is up to us to accept or reject His love. Even then, when people reject His love, He still loves them but His deep love lets them choose who they want to serve and where they'll spend eternity.

Oh my, many believers have already sealed their doom. There's no such thing as eternal security. It is one of the lies of the father of lies, Satan, the great Deceiver.

An2elect, Jiggaz, and every proponent of the evil doctrine of "Eternal Security," the Bible said in the book of 1 Peter 4:17 that judgment shall begin from the house of God. Peter went further to say that if the righteous are SCARCELY saved, what will become of the unrighteous?

Don't gamble your souls on this evil doctrine. Judas was with Christ but he lost his soul though he tasted salvation. Christ even said it were better not to have known Him than to know Him and still backslide. This statement shows the great possibility of one losing their salvation.

Get to the bridge first, crossing it will be a breeze.

MizJanet:


Are you actually sayin darby bible translation is CLUELESS ?

Are you so ignorant that you dont even know the hebrew word " Nephesh" meaning " SOUL" appear in those verses ?


*just admit you LIE*

Still parading your ignorance with pride I see.

Look up the word 'nephesh' pronounced 'ne-fesh' and you will discover it has many meanings as used in the book of Genesis and in the Old Testament but that context where it was used it meant 'living creature', not immortal being as you ignorantly assume. The same word was used to describe Adam in Genesis 2:7. In other contexts 'nephesh' also means appetite, will, mind, dead body, lust, themselves, creature, pleasure...so which exactly do you mean?

The Greek word for 'soul' is 'psuche' or 'psyche'. An example where it was used is Matthew 16:26 where Jesus said 'What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but lose his own soul (psuche)?' Another example is Matthew 10:28 where Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul (psuche). But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul (psuche) and body in hell."

I could go on to dispel your ignorance but it is like throwing gold into a sea since you enjoy your state of being willfully ignorant.

MizJanet:

Here is your statement : " Soul represents the real person ... The real you" and according to xristianity soul never dies . good

The soul ( real person) of your Jesus himself never dies , only his useless human flesh died .

Did jesus himself die or only his flesh dies ?

Another piece of crap. You really expect me to answer that irrelevant question? Nah, that's the height of senselessness.

MizJanet:
@bold , lets consult that KJV and you will be suprised that it called animals souls .

REV 16:3 KJV
" And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and Every living [size=25]SOUL [/size] died in the sea" . Gooood . Animals in the sea are called souls , another proof that you are the confuse fellow .

Now , tell us where sharks , whales and other fishes go when they die , since its been proven from your king james that they are souls ?

Refer to my little lecture in the first quote and see how utterly ridiculous this question appears.