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flexybobo:
how are you sure you are going to make heaven? do you know if you will die commiting sin?

I really don't understand it when fellow believers are in doubt of their eternal destination. It shows they're not operating in faith and love.

I am EXTREMELY and DEEPLY CONVINCED without an atom of doubt that when I die suddenly, my eternal habitation is heaven. This should not be misconstrued as an expression of boast. As such, the contrary would be the case.

My confidence is rooted in the fact that I strive to walk in love daily. If any believer walks in love and repents daily of his or her sins, he is a sure candidate of heaven. Love is the greatest commandment in the Bible.

Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:17

Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Ephesians 1:4

paxonel:
i know exactly what need not to be interpreted and what need to be interpreted in the Bible

No you don't. This quote below proves it.

paxonel:
there are prophecies that were direct and do not need interpretation.
But there are other prophesies like.
Revelation 4:7
And the first beast was like a lion
lion = what?
and the second beast like a calf,
calf = what?
and the third beast had a face as a man
man = what?
, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle
flying eagle = What?
infact BEAST = what?
You see, when people read these things they become scared. meanwhile, there is nothing there if you get their interpretation

Besides erroneously calling this passage prophecy, you misunderstand it to be a parable.

The living creatures are literal beings. They are heavenly creatures who praise God before His throne day and night.

Paxonel, really, you're the one confused here. You highlighted a parable with its interpretation, but you misinterpret other passages of the Bible expecting them to tow in line with the interpretation of the parable of the sower.

Heaven, Hell, and the Book of Life are not parables. They're facts, real facts. They are literal concepts, not symbolic concepts as some folks erroneously suppose to the detriment of their souls.

Granted, there are things in the Bible that may require some explanation for better understanding, but those you mentioned are hardly deserving of "interpretation" if you can read and write.

Why do people deceive themselves in thinking they can serve God and still conveniently hold on to their sinful lives as prostitutes, homosexuals, liars, drunks, disobedient, wife beaters, deceivers, lesbians, gluttons, womanizers, adulterers, fornicators, strippers, sorcerers, peadophiles, gigolos, idolaters, thieves, and the list goes on...?

If they 're stubborn and will not repent of their evil ways, in my opinion, it were better they don't even waste their time by serving Christ and just focus on living in sin. After all, the Bible said it were better not to have known Him, than to know Him and still fall back in sin.

In an area, when a speaker or two blare worldly music to a loud extent that it results in deafness, people deem such noise harmless because they love the sound of worldly music. However, when a christian gathering produces half that volume of 'noise' in praise and worship songs to God, it then commits the unforgivable crime of noise pollution warranting its closure by the state government acting on the petition of the people both directly and not directly concerned.

Op, nice write-up. I only want to address the fact that Christianity is not a religion. Religion seeks to please God through human actions, wisdom and goodness, through man-made rules and regulations regarding what to eat, acceptable times to pray, rigid dress codes, human rituals to secure God's forgiveness and all sorts of acts which depend on human efforts aimed at appearing righteous before God and please Him. They forget that man's righteousness is filthy rags before God. Here, atheists ignorantly think that Christianity is all about having good moral behaviour in order to be accepted by God.

Christianity is a Faith, it is a loving relationship between the Father and His children. The children do not have to perform some everyday rituals in order to please their Daddy. He loves them unconditionally since they've accepted the sacrifice of His Son who made it possible for them to be righteous like Him. They paid nothing for the sacrifice. His grace and salvation is free. It doesn't depend on man's moral character but on accepting His love freely given to all. Now, it is up to us to accept or reject His love. Even then, when people reject His love, He still loves them but His deep love lets them choose who they want to serve and where they'll spend eternity.

Oh my, many believers have already sealed their doom. There's no such thing as eternal security. It is one of the lies of the father of lies, Satan, the great Deceiver.

An2elect, Jiggaz, and every proponent of the evil doctrine of "Eternal Security," the Bible said in the book of 1 Peter 4:17 that judgment shall begin from the house of God. Peter went further to say that if the righteous are SCARCELY saved, what will become of the unrighteous?

Don't gamble your souls on this evil doctrine. Judas was with Christ but he lost his soul though he tasted salvation. Christ even said it were better not to have known Him than to know Him and still backslide. This statement shows the great possibility of one losing their salvation.

Get to the bridge first, crossing it will be a breeze.

MizJanet:


Are you actually sayin darby bible translation is CLUELESS ?

Are you so ignorant that you dont even know the hebrew word " Nephesh" meaning " SOUL" appear in those verses ?


*just admit you LIE*

Still parading your ignorance with pride I see.

Look up the word 'nephesh' pronounced 'ne-fesh' and you will discover it has many meanings as used in the book of Genesis and in the Old Testament but that context where it was used it meant 'living creature', not immortal being as you ignorantly assume. The same word was used to describe Adam in Genesis 2:7. In other contexts 'nephesh' also means appetite, will, mind, dead body, lust, themselves, creature, pleasure...so which exactly do you mean?

The Greek word for 'soul' is 'psuche' or 'psyche'. An example where it was used is Matthew 16:26 where Jesus said 'What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but lose his own soul (psuche)?' Another example is Matthew 10:28 where Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul (psuche). But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul (psuche) and body in hell."

I could go on to dispel your ignorance but it is like throwing gold into a sea since you enjoy your state of being willfully ignorant.

MizJanet:

Here is your statement : " Soul represents the real person ... The real you" and according to xristianity soul never dies . good

The soul ( real person) of your Jesus himself never dies , only his useless human flesh died .

Did jesus himself die or only his flesh dies ?

Another piece of crap. You really expect me to answer that irrelevant question? Nah, that's the height of senselessness.

MizJanet:
@bold , lets consult that KJV and you will be suprised that it called animals souls .

REV 16:3 KJV
" And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and Every living [size=25]SOUL [/size] died in the sea" . Gooood . Animals in the sea are called souls , another proof that you are the confuse fellow .

Now , tell us where sharks , whales and other fishes go when they die , since its been proven from your king james that they are souls ?

Refer to my little lecture in the first quote and see how utterly ridiculous this question appears.

Bosch10:
ok sir,i love your posts,and that is why i followed u.

Am glad you do, bro. Thanks.

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MizJanet:

Going by that analogy @ bold , the soul which is the REAL PERSON OF JESUS is immortal, the real Jesus himself is imortal , so ONLY his borrowed human flesh died while the REAL JESUS didnt die .

Really , the real person of jesus didnt die for anyone? You have been scammed .

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You see why I always say you are a bundle of confusion?

MizJanet:

Here is Proof from ur bible that you lied @ bold

EVIDENCE A :
Genesis 1vs20 Darby Bible Translation
And God said, Let the waters swarm
With swarms of living [size=25] souls [/size] , and let fowl
fly above the earth in the expanse of
the heavens.

Marine animals are called living SOULS .
...............

EVIDENCE B:

Genesis 1:24 Darby Bible Translation
And God said, Let the earth bring forth
[size=25] living souls [/size] after their kind, cattle, and
creeping thing, and beast of the earth,
after their kind. And it was so

Again ! Animals are called living SOULS
..............
Or is the bible lying ? If no , tell us where the souls of this wild animals and cattle go when they die ?

Before you go on arguing aimlessly, try consult the King James version of the Bible to know which makes sense - calling them 'creature' or 'souls'. Lol. This direction of your argument is so clueless. No offense.

Bosch10:
Yes na,the body is dead without the spirit and not the spirit dead without the body as you have said.

Lol. Thanks for pointing out that error. Edited.

Bosch10:
True but i disagree with the saying that the spirit is dead without the body but vice versa

Why is that? It is written in James 2:26 for scriptural reference.

MizJanet:

I wont take you serious , until you answer that question uv been running away from .

Christians say when animals die, their soul also died , do u agree with your bible that the human soul also die ? Ezekiel 18 :20 if u agree with that bible verse then it means you cease to exist like other animals when you die .

You're one great heap of confusion. I had refused to make any reply to your post as regards animals having souls. However, I shall leave you with this explanation but you're free to ignore it like you do others. When a person dies, righteous or wicked, or an animal his or its spirit (the life of man) returns to God. However, the soul of each man goes for judgment. The body without the spirit is dead. Geddit?

Animals have spirit but not soul, unlike man. The spirit of man or animal, that is, the life that makes both function on earth is not subject to judgment. The soul is. It is the soul that represents the real person that houses one's feelings, wills, desires, thoughts - the real you.

I hope this little explanation in all its simplicity is not beyond your comprehension.

trapQ:
why do you stress yourself so much? these people have so hardened their hearts and as a result are blinded by the truth. I personally have conducted my research and there are no proofs to back up the claims of the so called hinduists and Buddhists theories of the afterlife.

you have played your part, I don't think the endless arguments are needed as it wont do any good in changing their minds.

Their blindness goes really deep I tell you. Endless argument will accomplish nothing that's why I quit this thread having tried reasoning with them to no avail. Hopefully, they will realize before it's too late.

Op, great testimony of the goodness and grace of Jesus Christ. Keep the fire of the Spirit burning. No one like Jesus.

The correct spelling of ISLAM is E V I L. Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims. This is the Bible prophecy coming to pass that -

"Ishmael shall be a wild man; his hand shall be against every man and every man's hand against him" (Genesis 16:12)

Op, there's nothing you say to the contrary that will erase the truth of the fact that Islam is evil from birth. Before you disagree with me concerning the verse I quoted, do a quick research to dispel your ignorance. But, of course, you know that already.

And I wonder why this piece of news didn't make front page.

Unfortunately, after many years they still never learn.

The ways of God always lead to peace and life. The ways of sinners always lead to sudden destruction.

johnydon22:
But you alleged the events of genesis to be within 6000BC. maybe you should learn constructiveness when posting next time.
Lmao. . . The bible said this, the bible said that. You can't even make an independent assertion.

Animals don't have spirits yet they are alive and breath like you but then because you are alive then you must have spirit. . when asked for how you got to know you have a spirit and animals dont .you call the bible!!! seriously? The bible is the claim, where is the proof, you have none all you have it circular statement.

Man has spirits- because the bible said so- because the bible is true -because the bible said it(bible) is true.

Am wowed at such naivete honestly. . . Tell me: Why do you think you have spirit but other species don't?

At least I have proved the fact that we have spirits and animals don't. What is your proof to the contrary?

johnydon22:
Oh really? and how many people have seen your god, i want to see them. . provide those people so i can i see them and confirm and ask them questions too. . .perhaps you have?

The level of this argument is just too low and childish for me. . . Fvcking done with it

There are tons and tons of reports or experiences relating to encounters with God or Jesus. You'll have no problem finding them on the internet. In fact, the internet is literally flooded with them. This privilege of knowing the Christian God personally, speaking with Him and hearing from Him is what makes Christianity stand out from religion.

You gave a link of supposed people seeing Krishna but I was so disappointed when I visited the site. It was just a lecture on seeing Krishna, not reports of many seeing Krishna as I expected. You can do better than that.

johnydon22:
YES this exactly is what FAITH is, believing something whether its true or not, having a strong conviction that something is true without empirical evidence. . . That is faith.…Am still marvelled you still don't know the definition of faith..

There you go again. The patriarchs of the Bible acted on the Word of God, unlike the word of one man who claimed sole access to Allah. Knowing God and hearing Him is what defines faith. Geddit?

Faith in God has the element absolute assurance of God's existence, not blind belief in something. It is seeing the evidence of God in our daily lives, interacting with Him on issues concerning life, having Him answer our prayers, receiving supernatural guidance from Him.

Which religion can boast of such absolute assurance in the existence of the god(s) they worship?

MizJanet:
, dont be suprised that your own bible says there is no afterlife

" as for the DEAD, THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING , whatever your hands find to do, do with your power for there is no work , nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in THE GRAVE , WHERE YOU ARE GOING " - Ecclesistes 9:5 and 10 , where did it say you are going ?

And you conveniently overlooked Ecclesiastes 12:14 which says "For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil"

Now, does that not tell you that the grave he was talking about is physical death and burial? If indeed that verse was supposed to mean non-existence, then how do you explain 12:14?

A confirming verse in the Bible is Hebrews 9:27 which says, "And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment".

Quit making selective quotations.

johnydon22:
#Sighs can you imagine, banking on more delusion to uphold a greater delusion... Yes they see jesus and give different descriptions of what he looks like...hahahahaha am a gonner

You know even a child reading this will marvel at such naivete as the one you are depicting here. . . hindus also claim to see krishna https://prabhupadavani.org/main/Bhagavatam/254.html
another disappointing assertion born out of plain ignorance and pitiable naivete .



Still banking on the creationist assertion that the earth is 6000years? hahahahahaha i gotta laugh at this, am marveled that a 21st century homo sapiens think that the earth is 6000yeaes . . well we are not talking about when the events supposedly happened but when the account was written which as young as 400BC.

To this i can only advice you read more books, because for someone who thinks the planet is 6000years after fossil records, datings and others have proven otherwise, i can only hope you step up your game and read more. .you need it


Because all those tags you mentioned are human inventions. . . You still have not shown me what i asked. . .why do you think you have a spirit and other animals don't. . ? i believe this question is simple and clear

One, I don't believe the earth is just 6000 years old. I believe the earth spans millions of years in age. Stop jumping into conclusions.

Two, I don't believe animals have souls. It was never recorded in the Bible. It has never been reported of the souls of animals going to heaven or hell or standing before the Judgment throne of God. However, this thread was not created to debate the spiritual existence or not of animals.

johnydon22:
No you haven't, you were just trying to down write other religions to uphold your own delusion as truth, forgetting they do likewise to yours...
You see why i say you should get out of your shell and expand your scope of knowledge. . every other religion in this world still lay claims to miracles just like you...

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/2008/10/claim-of-modern-hindu-miracle.html/

in fact read about miracle in all religions here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

You know sometimes i wonder if you guys purposely sound naive

Johnny, I overlooked this. I have gone through the links provided but saw only signs that were attributed to Allah. There was no report of any encounter with the deity, Allah neither was there miracles of Allah to his followers like resurrection from the dead. Is there any such miracle in Islam or buddhism or Hinduism? Have they had the privilege, as followers, of divine encounter with the god(s) they worship?

Even false prophets perform semblance of miracles but they can never produce the evidence of knowing God personally neither do they have the power to raise anyone from the dead.

Just as you have provided the links above provide others with the conditions I stated. I want to see those people who have seen their deities and confirmed by others.

dalaman:
You are deluded. There are many Hindus whose claim of reincarnation has been verified just as you claim the deaths of christians who died and came back to life were verified. The claim of life after death remains a claim. The claim of reincarnation after death remains a claim. Isn't it funny that you are trying to tell us that the claim you have been indoctrinated with is the right one while all other claims are false.

At least there must be very wide range of these claims as regards reincarnation. You'll have no trouble furnishing me with links of many hindus whose reports of reincarnation have been verified.

It doesn't end there, please also provide evidence of non-hindu people who can corroborate those claims of reincarnation.

Have they ever set eyes on Lord Krishna or Ganesha in their current lives? It is easy to say they saw these deities in their past lives which gives them protection as the excuse of 'not entirely recalling the events of their past lives' is readily available to whoever makes further inquiry into their claims to verify their authenticity.

johnydon22:
Seriously Rilwayne001 please come tell testify to this guy the truth of your religion... I advice you need to expand you area of study because clearly you have never listened to a hindu or buddhist talk or preach
What observations? Your conviction is just faith nothing more the same faith muslims have in theirs and every other religion yet you proudly was trying to down play them.

Let me ask, is it faith to blindly follow a religion whose creator has remained a mystery for hundreds of years?

Is it faith to practice a religion whose so-called deity has remained silent, never speaking or appearing to many of his followers in order to clear doubts from the minds of people of his existence?

Again, my conviction as regards the Word of God goes beyond mere written text. It stems from daily events confirming the reality of the Word of God. This makes the Bible extraordinarily supernatural. God does not rely on well-constructed human argument to demonstrate His power but confirms His Word with signs and wonders.

I even thought you had something new to show us. . . Why don't you regale us the details of your experiment

There's nothing new about the Word of God in today's world. Whatever new thing I or anyone says that is not already in the Bible is false teaching.

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha you really need to step out of your shell because you are not widely rooted when it comes to simple knowledge. . exactly the same way you tell the world of your claim is exactly the way they all announce theirs. i think you need to listen to them not make such a laughable assertion...

Where are the confirmations of those claims? Have they witnessed in reality the claims of their religions to the extent that they can say with all confidence that their religious books are divine and true? You have not been listening, have you? Christians say Jesus is alive because so so so many of them have seen Him ranging from little kids to adults. Heck, even hundreds of Muslims have testified to seeing Him but none, not even one has testified to seeing Allah. Now that's irony.

Pheeeeeeew Jewish torah written 400-460Bc, egyptian book of pyramids, book of the dead, chronicles of amon-ra etc written 2000-2600BC. . . shows am very right, you definitely know nothing of history, its clear how hard the bible have formatted you that simple history is not in your agenda.

Check your facts and dates. The events recorded in the book of Genesis happened around 6000 BC. I don't discount history. It even adds more confirmation to my conviction.

Oh animals can't speak? speaking is for communication and because you do not understand them doesn't mean they don't.
A cow moo is a form of communication and so following your analogy because you cannot speak like a cow shows it has spirit and you don't. . .Imagine such hilarious analogy.... Again tell me how animals don't have spirits but you do because this your post is just disappointing

We're talking about humans, not animals. Have you seen a Muslim cat or an atheist hyena or Buddhist elephant, or a Jehovah Witness raccoon? The subject of topic is man's afterlife destination, not animals'.

okeke00:
where were you when you were not yet born by your mum?

Who is this question referring to?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha now imagine this, down writing other religions to up hold yours as true. . why am i not surprised..


Well thats what every other religion feel and say about theirs in contrast to others

On the contrary, I'm showing you the reason why Jesus Christ is the only Way and Truth and Life.

Where is Allah since revealing himself to Mohammed? What miracles or signs have followed the believers of the Quaran? You have eyes and ears, now tell me I'm wrong about my general observation of the empty claims of the thousands of religions in the world.

johnydon22:
The same way your book told you is the same way the muslim and hindu book told them yet you disbelief it.

Now we are yearning to hear the results of your observations and experiments carried out to ascertain the certainty in the claim of this book, please do regale us the thrilling details

I am yet to hear any of them testify to the truth of their religious claims.

I have given you my observations in my conviction. It takes personal experience to adjudge something a veritable reality.

johnydon22:
Perhaps a demonstration? the same proof you asked of muslims, Hindus and Buddhist...imagine the irony...

Like I said, which of them can step out and tell the world that they have witnessed Allah's paradise, Buddhist and Hindu reincarnation or non-existence (it's really funny to prove this one) like the Christians claim to do?

History is literally your opposite. . .Am sure you haven't read about the TRIBUNAL OF OSIRIS. . . egyptians invented both the notion of afterlife and judgement. . .why do you think theh mummified, built mastabas and pyramids. . .

You have a quite twisted notion of the afterlife. The first hint of the afterlife in the Bible was the book of Genesis where it was written that the blood of Abel was crying to God for vengeance. If Abel was in a state of non-existence, why was his blood speaking after death? The second was where God translated Enoch from earth
even before death because He pleased God. Now, all this happened before the existence of Egypt..

You cant tell? since you assert humans have spirits, others animals have too

Look, Johnny, don't drag me into needless argument. You well know that animals cannot speak or write like humans so your analogy here is out of place.