₦airaland Forum

menesheh:
All your arguments are logical fallacious appeal to ignorant.

Help yourself and pick any textbook on logic and argument, then detect by yourself those fallacies in your argument one by one.
Then quote me after then

Scholar8200:
@ kwenu, It is one thing to pray (merely) it is another thing to prevail in prayer! Jacob did both! In Genesis 32:9-12 he prayed and looking at it,the prayer was well worded but he realised that he had not prevailed hence he separated himself from everyone to pray and ...(you know the rest!)

Likewise Jesus in Gethsemane, Moses on the Mountain, Paul as regards the thorn, etc You dont just merely pray; you pray until you get the answer/ assurance that you have the answer! Gone seem to be the days when people prayed till they found God (oh what bliss!!!) in prayer.
Others that pray do not do so in faith but in fear. You find prayer points, film shows, the sudden turn around/woes of somebody etc replacing the use of the Word in prayer!

In a time conscious, real-time, wait-and -get age, we are fast loosing the very essence of true prayer We approach prayer as though we were doing God a favour! Man wont mind standing in a queue from 6am to 3pm at an embassy just because of visa; he is convinced that his turn will come and he will not be denied, others discuss on phone late into the night till the early hour of the morning yet 30 minutes in prayer is punishment!

And even if the answer will be no (like it came to Paul) we will not be swept off our feet but we receive grace.

menesheh:
The Question is meant for you to answer not me.
How can any reasonable person believe that there are angels let alone how they look like.

menesheh:
Angels are mighty monster in your brain

DoubleDeeX:
N.aked truth bruh!

You've warned the scoffer enough....This message would be a witness against him on the day of judgement!

malvisguy212:
thank you very much for this wonderful post. God bless you.

hahn:
Lol @ god's blessings. There are lots of people
who have done or promoted good and have
been victimized because of it. Thousands of
jews died under Hitler and were good. Where
was god then?

Weren't there good people on earth when god decided to flood the earth and kill everybody? What about all the innocent
women and children that god killed in Sodom
and Gommorah?

Lol. Keep on deceiving yourself. Even the
people of Israel can't stand blacks let alone
their god.

And since Christ came the world has grown worse and is obviously not yet saved. I don't need to read a story book to know that the world is messed up.

Your religion only teaches you to ignore what goes on on earth because you are going to HEAVEN.

To quote a friend, if there was a perfect go who could create paradise for his creation, he would have done it already.

hahn:
If your god is as wise as you make him out, he would have had the intelligence to create man perfect. What's the point of creating us with sin and then punishing us for it?

The god of Israel is what it is, the god of Israel. I don't see why Nigerians are bothering themselves.

And he was too incompetent to save the jews from Hitler.

malvisguy212:
alright.

Jozzy4:
So silly , how can you use dead body while talking about spiritual death ? Guy , you are the confuse person

trustman:
Some pertinent scriptures:

Matthew23:33 - "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?"

Matthew 25:41 - "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Luke12:5 - "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!"


2 Peter 2:4 - "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;"

MizJanet:
Gosh! use your brain , a dead body is a corpse .

kokoA:
you think you know so much when you don't know anything. Keep your mouth shut if you don't understand other people's belief. Must you talk?

Jeromejnr:
Well, even God Himself said His people perish for lack of knowledge

And also

"Because of lack of knowledge My people have gone again into captivity."

There will always be the blind and gullible ones till Jesus comes.

Jeromejnr:
All I will say is people should do well to watch their souls cause eternity is forever and there's no second chance.

God will share His glory with no one.

It's not hard to stick to scriptures alone. It's not hard.

ProphetUdeme:
you dey waste your time because they wont hear

PastorAIO:
I'd like to know what these words actually meaning, presuming that they are not just empty rhetorics.

What does it mean to be a follower and disciple of Christ?

What does Christ mean?

What does it mean to give your life to christ? Other than saying 'I give my life to christ'.

What is the death and resurrection of christ?

Jozzy4:
What lead to the curse of physical death ?

Appleyard:
Nobody told you that the wages of sin is " only " spiritual death. What we tried to make you see is that; death does not literally mean the demise of the physical body ceasing to exist in the physical realm-earth. Rather, death is a process and the starting point of it is " dying spiritually " before any form of physical death takes place.

The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of
the soul from God. When understood in that way, the two concepts are very closely related, and both physical death and spiritual death are reflected in the very first references to death. In the creation account (Genesis 1–2), we read how God created a variety of living beings. These animals had life, an inward element that gave
movement and energy to their physical bodies. Scientists are still at a loss to explain what truly causes life, but the Bible is clear that God gives life to all things (Genesis 1:11-28; 1 Timothy 6:13). The life that God gave to mankind
was different from that which He gave to animals.

In Genesis 2:7, we are told that God “breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” Whereas animals have a purely physical life, humans have both a physical and a spiritual element of life, and the death we experience likewise has both a physical and a spiritual element.
According to Genesis 2:17, God told Adam that if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he would “surely die.” Some skeptics have tried to use this verse to show an inconsistency in the Bible, because Adam
and Eve did not die the very day they ate of that fruit. In the Hebrew, it literally says, “dying you will die.” It indicates a process that has a definite starting point, and
continues into the future.

When they sinned (Genesis 3:7), Adam and Eve immediately knew theirguilt. With that guilt came a shame which caused them to try to hide from God, because they had become spiritually dead, or separated from Him. In addition to the immediate spiritual death
they experienced, they also began the process of
physical death, even though it took many years for death to have its full effect. This can be better understood with the example of a flower. When you see a flower growing
in a garden, you know it is alive, because it is connected to the stem and the roots, and is receiving
nourishment from the ground. When you separate the flower from its life source, it still has the appearance of life, and can maintain that appearance for several days, depending on the conditions. Regardless of the care it is given, though, it is already dying, and that process cannot be reversed. The same is true for mankind. The physical death that entered into the world with Adam's sin (Romans 5:12) affected all living things. It is difficult for us to conceive of a world without death, but that is
what Scripture teaches was the condition before the Fall. All living things began the process of dying when sin entered the world. When physical death occurs, there is a
definite separation of the life force from the body. When that separation occurs, there is nothing man can do to reverse it (even the medical community acknowledges
the difference between a “clinical death” and a
“biological death”). The wages of sin is death
(Romans 6:23), and death comes upon all men because all have sinned. Everyone is subject to physical death because of the presence of sin in this
world, as well as their own personal sins. From a human perspective, physical death seems to be the ultimate punishment, but the Bible teaches there are deeper meanings of death to be considered. The life that God breathed into Adam (Genesis 2:7) was more than just animal life; it was the breath of God, resulting in a being
with a soul. Adam was created spiritually alive, connected to God in a special way. He enjoyed a
relationship with God, but when he sinned, that
relationship was broken. Spiritual death has
implications both before and after physical death. Though Adam was still physically alive (but beginning the dying process), he became spiritually dead, separated from relationship with God.

In this present life on earth, the effect of spiritual death is the loss of God's favor as well as the knowledge of and desire for God. Scripture is clear that everyone begins
life “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1-5), resulting in a life focused on our sinful desires. Jesus taught that the remedy for spiritual death is a spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-5) through faith in Him. This rebirth is a re-connection to the source of life, which Jesus pictured in John 15:1-6. He is the vine, and we are the branches.
Without being connected to Him, we have no life in
us, but when we have Jesus, we have real life (1 John 5:11-12). For those who refuse to accept God's salvation,
physical death and spiritual death culminate in the “second death” (Revelation 20:14). This eternal death is not annihilation, as some have taught, but is a conscious, eternal punishment for sins in the lake of fire, described as being separated from the presence of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Jesus also spoke of this eternal separation from God in Matthew 25:41 and identified the conscious torment of individuals in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should
come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), so they do not have to remain spiritually dead. To repent means to turn away from sin, and includes confessing sin to God with sorrow for violating His holiness. Those who have received God's salvation have turned from death to life (1 John 3:14), and the second death has no power over them
(Revelation 20:6).


Thus, when the bible talks about death as in Romans 6, it's actually more on that spiritual seperation.

Jozzy4:
@ captainjune and appleyard

If romans 6:23 is only about spiritual death , why did Adam now died after spending 930 years ? From where did humans inherit physical death since the wages of sin is only spiritual death ?

MizJanet:

Dead body ? @ bold that indicate a real dead person nw . You finally deviate from your spiri spiri death theory to a real death ( dead body) in other to make sense out of no - sense

kobosmalls:
I dont need to read a stupid post to know what fact is.
Fact remains fact whether scientifically acquired or otherwise.
Fact according to meriam webster:
(a)something that truly exists or happens,:something that has actual existence.
(b)a piece of information presented as having OBJECTIVE REALITY.
synonym:actuality,factuality,MATERIALITY,REALITY.

Get a dictionary, its very easy to use and understand.
You tool.

MizJanet:
oh ! It doesnt kill , how come you people claim its sin that lead to humans dying ?


And this spiri spiri death u talking about is an advantage o , coz someone who has died (Spiritual in nature - captainjune) his free from his sin - Roman 6:7